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Oh....the Thrill of Being Gay and in Love! (unless you are actually gay)


 This is a tough one to write because so many thoughts crowd themselves into my brain.  I am easily side-tracked by this, so I am going to try mightily to be coherent.

 

I believe much of our conservative psyche has its roots in the religious zealots who helped found this country.  If you haven't read Sarah Vowell's "The Wordy Shipmates" you should.  I won't summarize it, but her descriptions of the Massachusett's Bay Colony and its leading personalities, such as John Winthrop, are astounding.  If only my history classes had been like a Sarah Vowell book.

 

As with all true stories, the why we are the way we are, is complicated.  The "good" we are and hope to be is nestled right next to the "bad" we are and struggle to change.  Religion and faith can be a profound force for good in the world, but is also equally capable of being misused and misrepresented to horrible ends.  That is a topic for another blog....or 10.

 

I dig chicks, man.  I can't help it.  It is what it is.  No one could talk me out of it.  If it were illegal I would have to live the life of an outlaw.  I have gay male friends who can not relate to the feelings I have for women.  They don't try to talk me out of it, but they don't share my passion for women and never will.  To my benefit, they accept me for who I am.  It is a real bonus for me that they do.  They are great friends who have helped me in uncountable ways over the years.  I have tried to be a good friend for them as well.  The difference between us is the constant and relentless prejudice they face in our society.  Like racism, it is so ever-present in our culture that it can be easily ignored.  It becomes background noise or a constant discordant drone we begin to accept as harmony.

 

Two of my male gay friends did not publicly admit they were homosexual until their 40's.  In fact, they pretended to be heterosexual to friends and family for that entire time.  Like I like women...they like men.  I can't relate to those feelings directly, but I don't try to talk them out of it.  I don't share their feelings for men and never will.  Unlike them, I did not feel pressure to hide my heterosexuality from my friends and family.  I did not grow up being afraid of rejection because of feelings I had no control over.  It isn't sad, it is tragic.  I tell myself that I never questioned their sexuality because it was not an issue for me.  I respected and loved them and that was all that mattered.  That is true, but in retrospect I wish I had reached out to them.  It was easy to not say anything and would have been uncomfortable to start the discussion.  I am not sure.  I do know that now that they have come out, I am glad to support them and be there for them if I can help.

 

I am adopted and I have spent a little time trying to find out who my biological parents are.  It is illegal for me to find out the their names in the state in which I was born.  One of the adoption advocates I have contacted said something interesting to me that was liberating.  In a conversation I asked for her thoughts on the idea that if adopted children were allowed to know their biological parents it would reduce the number of people willing to give kids up for adoption.  Her answer was "So what?!"  She didn't believe that were true, but even if it were, all people have a right to know who they are and where they come from...no matter what.  It may not seem like it when you read it, but that was a powerful idea.  For me it is the same with gay rights issues.  There may be arguments against certain gay rights.  "If gays serve openly in the military, it may hurt troop cohesion" or "If we recognize Civil Unions for homosexuals it will degrade the sanctity of marriage" (heterosexuals have screwed this up so bad I would think homosexuals could only improve it).  I don't believe either of those statements nor would likely agree with the hundreds of other fearful scenarios connected to providing equal rights for homosexuals.  I don't think the real answer is to argue each case.  I think the most adequate answer is "So What?!"  All human beings deserve the right to be true to themselves, regardless of what others think or an imagined outcome.  The people I view as patriots do not just support rights for the people who live their lives like their own....that is easy.  They support freedom and justice FOR ALL!

 

In all of the important talk of healthcare reform, economic crisis and our political struggles throughout the world, we can not allow the discrimination of homosexuals to be pushed aside.  It seems they have often been asked to be patient and suffer silently in the hope that as time goes on, it will get better.  Time has gone on...time to get better.


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Nicely done, Norseman.

It reminds me of a time I was walking to get some lunch with a co-worker. I suspected he was gay, but didn't rally care too much, as one thing I learned working in San Francisco is that you can't tell who is and who isn't, and it doesn't really matter anyway.

As we walked across a parking lot he turned to me and said, "by the way I'm gay."

I replied, "So? I'm not. I'll tell you what, I'm not terribly interested in who you sleep with anymore than you'd be interested in who I sleep with. It's none of my business, anyway."

This was on the East Coast, and one thing that kind of shocked me when I moved here was the homophobia. I'd actually had to ask one or two people to knock off their dumb 'jokes' because I found them offensive.

At any rate, he laughed and said he'd never met anyone who didn't care one way or another, but as you say, it's who someone is that matters. One of the best friends I ever had was gay, and sadly, I lost him to AIDs. It's certainly past time to stop the discrimination. Americans are altogether too hung up on sex, anyway. As long as consenting adults are involved, why should anyone care?

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The people who condemn homosexuality are those who think it is a choice. They think that by society condoning it, it will become an acceptable option for their children, and that scares the crap outta them, since their religion tells them it is wrong.

Why in the world someone would "choose" something that causes so much pain, is beyond me...

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BTW, thanks for giving us a little break from health care...rec'd

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Yep...that nails it. That very thought...who would choose to go through that kind of pain?

I think people are free to believe if their children hang out with homosexuals they will grow a third eye and sprout antennae. They should NOT be able to use that belief to infringe on a persons rights in any way.

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Bwakifat...if you were a man and we were both gay, I'd kiss you.

We agree.

I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. My best friend is gay and has suffered unbelievably over the lack of understanding and freedom I take for granted.

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Wonderful post.

So endorse and support the sentiment and facts.

We need more reminders about the importance and yes, necessity of standing up and speaking out for all who continue to (despite being in direct contrast to constitunal rights) be unable to enjoy the rights that are to be inherent in our country.

One of my dearest friends is a gay male and I am so thankful he is in my life.

Thanks so much for posting this and for an extremely well written and thoughtful text.

(Note: My sister in law was adopted and found her biological parents by placing classified ad in area papers of her birth - it's an interesting story - I was the one who told her biological father, 'Congratulations, it's a 24 year old baby girl!'

I fervently believe we all have the right to know our genetic heritage and our birth parents.)

Strongly Rec'd.

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Thanks, Aunt S. I was hot after my birth parents for a while and the drive sort of went away. I have gotten a lot of "unidentifying" information which has been interesting.

I had great adopted parents.(whom I have blogged a little about) I have been blessed beyond reason in many ways.

I have written some state politicians about adoption rights with almost no response. I am beginning to think corporations and their lobbyists must not be interested in adoption rights....hhhhmmm....I think I was just being sarcastic.

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I believe much of our conservative psyche has its roots in the religious zealots who helped found this country.

Reminds me of an op/ed in an Australian newspaper during the time of the Bill Clinton "Impeachment in search of an Impeachable Offense" wherein it was stated: "Thank God the U.S. got the Puritans and we got the convicts."

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I love it! I need to visit Australia.

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Fine post. But could someone give me a run-down of what this gay conspiracy is about? So they want to convince our children to become gay, and then when we're all converted... what...? We all have a gay party, forced to sing show tunes in drag?

I mean, I sort of get the socialist conspiracy, or the environmentalist conspiracy idea. But what is the wing-nut theory on the gay agenda? What is the damn agenda? Is there a well-established description of the homosexual dystopia they're trying to implement here (and that the wing-nuts heroically oppose)? Inquiring minds want to know...

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But what is the wing-nut theory on the gay agenda? What is the damn agenda?

My next door neighbor, who is gay, used to ask me these very questions all the time. I felt sorry for the guy because it did seem unfair that he didn't know his own agenda, so I went looking.

The first one I found was a minute by minute replay of a homosexual's day that included in this 57 minute time frame the following:

3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.

4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.

My neighbor's reaction was somewhat comical. He just did not believe that hosting a porno art exhibit would be all that harmful to Western Civ. I told him I was just reporting.

I found other agendas if you're still interested!

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Omg, that's just hilarious. Please, post the others!

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Oh god, seashell! One of my gay friends sent me that a couple years ago! Ain't humor the best medicine?

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Wow. That's a lot of agenda. More porn-art, eh? I'll subscribe to that. Most of the rest of their platform, not so much. Can I be a single-issue gay...?

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Obey, it's like this:

Gay people don't get pregnant (unless they get some kind of intervention), and since they don't get pregnant, they never need to have abortions, and therefore, republicans can't put them down for having abortions, or otherwise force them to have babies that they can then refuse help to once they're born; like Mitt Romney tried to get the law in Massachusetts changed so that Welfare would be refused to everyone who had children out of wedlock; so the whole reasons republicans can't stand gays is because they don't have anything to flog them with, so they flog them with not letting them get married, because a republican without someone to despise is like Michael Jackson without his glove.

I would have gone on, but I really hate long sentences, and so kept the above to a respectable length (tee hee).

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Can't we give them something else to despise? Like maybe big fluffy pillows? you know, build up a big pillow-paranoia campaign, and then let them have big town hall meetings to beat up on pillows...

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I've often thought those most frightened by fantasies of an international gay conspiracy, were doing just that: engaging their secret fantasies of an international gay conspiracy. Perhaps with a little bdsm flavoring to suit their own individual tastes. Smell the glove, pug.

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Yeah, something like that must be operative here, just in terms of the framing of it as the tempting seductions of the gay life.

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God hates fags. Simple as that. Know one knows why and you can't question it because... it's God, dammit. Maybe some gay dude tried to hold his hand once.

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Obey Jesus's mother was a lesbian, hence the virgin birth. As it was it took all of God's strength to wrestle her to the ground and rape her so our Lord and savior could be born. And if she'd had her way she would have aborted the fetus. But seeing as no one knew how, and the rusty coat hanger had not yet been invented, she made a marriage of convenience to Joseph, which she grew to enjoy along with motherhood, and everybody lived happily ever after. The end.

I'm sure that's in the bible somewhere as long as you interpret it right.

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I have a son (stepson, actually, although I have raised him as my son since he was @12 years old) who is gay. It was a struggle for him growing up. He wasn't athletic, so there was none of the High School football or basketball crowd to become involved with. To be truthful, sadly, there really isn't much of joy or good cheer to remember about his high school career.

He loves music. He and I shared an affinity for music, and it was this that helped form a bond between us that exists strongly to this day. Shortly after our introduction, I introduced him to competitive Drum Corps (maximum age of competitors is 21). He learned to play soprano trumpet, then auditioned for and joined the Madison Scouts, a uniquely all-male corps which at the time was consistently placed within the top 10 Drum Corps in world competition. He worked his tail off. Never complained about gruelling tour schedules and daily practices outdoors all summer long in whatever weather was presented. And he LOVED it.

With Drum Corps, he gained opportunity to tour Europe in 1988 - which was also the year they won the World Championships held in Kansas City. He was 18 years old at the time and would continue his involvement one more year before quitting to pursue a degree.

In Drum Corps, he was introduced to numerous other friends who happened to be gay. I believe it served to reinforce his self-esteem; helped him to understand that he was not an aberration as seemed to be the case in his high school experience. There were people just like him among his fellow competitors, and the camaraderie that is encouraged in this activity made certain he was accepted as part of a group of young men who cared not a whit what your sexual orientation might be. You were a Madison Scout, after all, and it's tradition is that "You Will Never Walk Alone".

Gene is a champion, but this "title" is not defined solely by his membership in an award-winning drum corps. Indeed, it is the way in which he conducts his day-to-day life that makes of him a person to be respected and admired. His list of friends is seemingly endless, and they love him for his loyalty and his humor and his profound kindness. He is successful in his career, but not consumed by it. God knows he'd rather be traveling throughout the world and be learning about new places and meeting new people instead.

And he's a fan of the Minnesota Vikings, showing that he still doesn't understand a goddammed thimg about REAL football.

Gene is my son who happens to be gay. I thank God for the happenstance of his discovering the Madison Scouts at a point in his life where he might otherwise have been corrupted by the hatred and the intolerance of a society that will sometimes call upon God, himself, to damn others who are different.

Yes, Norseman, it is about time we quit the hatred and the discrimination and the sanctimonious religious intolerance that continues to insist that we are somehow superior to men like Gene.

And it is high time we assure every human being who shares this wondrous gift of our existence that "They Will Never Walk Alone."

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(Also see this!)

As the mother of a "gay" son, I am extremely proud of the person he is and the person he has become. I have supported him 100% since he came out and encouraged him to be himself and do his very best in life. It is heartbreaking how some of his friends parents and families disowned him because of being gay. My son is wonderful, has great sense of humor and has accomplished a great deal in life--something he and I are very proud of.

In looking back, had I had other sons I would want them all to be like the son I am fortunate to have. We have had many conversations and like he states, "it is not something you would choose." I don't look at him as being "different" (I hate the term "gay") -- I look at him as a productive, loving and kind human being - qualities he has that so very many lack.

We have raised our 17 year old grandson since an infant, and we have stressed the importance of accepting all people as humans and not as being "different." He and his uncle have a great relationship and we are proud of the person our grandson is becoming too.

My son is my pride and joy and there is absolutely nothing I would change about him. It is my hopes and dreams that someday all peoples will be equal and loved for who they are and that there is no discrimination throughout the world. Life is too short.

(Sleepinjeezus is his Dad and he has had a tremendous role in directing Gene to become the person he is--thank you sj.)

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Aw, now I'm all teary-eyed! Loved the video. Thanks for sharing your talented son's accomplishments with us. It strikes me that all 3 of you are lucky to have each other -- oops! left out the grandson -- him too!

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Thank you for you and your wife's post. You are lucky to have such a wonderful son and he is lucky to have had parents like you. Sometimes things work out like they are supposed to.

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For some reason I'm always off to work too early and get home too late to bother corrupting the youth or undermining straight folks' marriages let alone taking over the government.

See, there's nothing to worry about.

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You just need to structure your day a bit more efficiently CL. ;)

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CL couldn't you find a little time during the day to corrupt a child, deface a church, or do something just a tiny bit evil?

Pat Robertson is counting on you.

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You need to learn to multi-task.

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Gay-haters simply refuse to acknowledge that everyone has a little gay in 'em. The Kinsey reports blew the lid off "strictly heterosexual" crapola. Especially when our sexuality is emerging in our sub-teens...we tend to be less discriminate about gender. Ask anyone who ever went to boarding school. If you are told it's a sin, then you hate yourself for those "homo feelings" and stuff them down soooo far that is necessary to protect yourself by demonstrating how actively you hate gays and lesbians. Look at how many of the christianist leaders ooze unresolved homosexuality. I will do my best not to list them...
Both our kids are adopted; our daughter grew up knowing her birth mother, who actually had abused her dramatically. Now that our daughter is an adult, she has tried to make more contact with her, but has discovered that she really doesn't care for her. We did always make the effort to get them together when the court would allow it, but it just didn't go that well. She does keep some contact with her siblings, though.
Our son's birth mother was deported just before the Amnesty in what--1985 or so? We have no way to find her. I did make some attempts through the military to find his borth father, though all that was permitted, once I told them where and when he was stationed, and his name, was that I write a letter to him, they would forward it. I made our son's case for him wanting to know him. We never received a reply.
From the reading I've done, adopted kids are split about 50-50 on the desire to connect with their birth parents. Good luck to you.

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Thanks, Wendy. Hard to say...I may not go any further with it.

You sound like a wonderful parent. Thanks for sharing your story and thoughts.

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Gay-haters simply refuse to acknowledge that everyone has a little gay in 'em. The Kinsey reports blew the lid off "strictly heterosexual" crapola. Especially when our sexuality is emerging in our sub-teens...we tend to be less discriminate about gender.
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I think this is a big part of it. What I'll add may piss some people off though. Its not like its black and white, gay or heterosexual, a choice or not a choice. Sexuality is a broad spectrum. Probably a bell curve. A percentage at either end that are so gay or so hetero that there is really no choice but a large hump in the middle of people with varying degrees of bisexuality.

For many of those in the middle it is a choice, in varying degrees depending on where one lies on that spectrum, and in our culture most chose to be heterosexual. Grow up in a warrior culture like Sparta and most will chose to be gay. Culture makes the choice for many and that choice is made so thoughtlessly that most don't even think its a choice.


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You're absolutely right. And in a society where the only way to "be a man" is to appear to be all the way to the right on that bell curve (and IMO, what a crappy place to be -- you really want to be Chuck Norris?), so many men must structure their entire lives so as to pave over any hint of the yin aspect of their character. Talk about sad, these guys, in their way, are as much trapped in the nether world of self-denial as a closeted gay.

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These are great stories. Great blog.

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"If we recognize Civil Unions for homosexuals it will degrade the sanctity of marriage" (heterosexuals have screwed this up so bad I would think homosexuals could only improve it).

Reno Nevada did this LONG AGO.

C

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Religion and sexual repression are two powerful things that can be highly negative. Unlike sexual repression, however, religion can be very, very good. I think people often make the mistake of believing that religion and sexual repression are inseparable. I do not believe that is accurate at all.

We continue to see the negative effects of sexual repression all around us (whether puritan or otherwise) even though hundreds of years have passed since the very primitive beliefs of some puritans about sexuality were abroad in the land. It is useful to recall that the the repressed sexuality of some puritans, particulary some of the more prominent amongst them, was really no different than the repressed sexuality that dominted the landscape of life at that time. It would be almost impossible to separate the sexual mores of the day from any group of european christians during that time.

The puritans may have made more of a point of it,been more boisterous in their piety, etc. but the nature of their own repressed sexuality was very similar to that of all other mainstrream religious groups. Some continue to use religious sounding arguments to justify sexual repression and I suspect they always will. But in the end, we have made and continue to make tremendous strides toward less repressive beliefs about sexual mores and practices. In the long run it is that ongoing progress that means second class citizenship for gay people is not far off at all and that is a very hopeful and promising thing that leads us to a much healthier, saner, and decent society.

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Made a mistake! Meant to say "that means the end of second class citizenship for gay people is not far off..." My apologies for hitting submit before catching it.

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Well, I agree. We have made strides. I think the time has come to make a leap.

To be clear, I believe any person is free to follow their faith as they choose, but when it attempts to infringe on the rights of the general public it is wrong.

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We are in complete agreement on that point.

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Great post and I love the "so what" comparison with adoption rights. I'm an adoptive parent and I believe that my daughter has the RIGHT to know where she came from just as you said. She didn't choose to be adopted any more than my favorite cousin "choose" to be gay. I know that the religious right-eous out there believe that being gay is a choice so they can never understand your well reasoned logic.

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Yes...it is easier to judge homosexuality if you convince yourself it is a choice. Education is the key....as people learn more about homosexuality it becomes less threatening.

Your daughter has great parents.

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Nice post. It is time to get better. How exactly we as individuals and as a nation need to proceed is the question of the hour.

I would recommend everyone at least try to engage Judith Butler's work on this matter, specifically those she expresses in "Bodies that Matter." I believe she gets to the core of the problem about the depth of why people are threatened by homosexuality through her concept of the "zones of inhabitability."

I wouldn't dare to try and sum up her theoritical views here, but I would posit the performative view of not only gender but also sex empowers each of us in the struggle to overcome this "heterosexual imperative" in this country (as well as our role, willing or not, in its maintanence). We may not be able to do anything about being caught in the prisonhouse of lanaguage, but we can at least do something about how the walls are arranged. And, in doing so, how we come to view our world (and, thus, decide, which bodies matter).

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The trouble is, that in spite of the separation of Church and State in the Constitution, we have granted to organized religions a "special" status in the marriage process. Namely, they have the dual role of solemnizing the religious/spiritual aspects of marital union and, as agents of the State, representing the State to legalize civil unions. My solution is to allow religions to do what they want viz marriage but no longer be allowed to represent the State's part in the enterprise. Fire the Clergy from their government job. Let the religious institutions go their own way. Presto! Now all marriages to be legal must be civil and the process be overseen by the State without discrimination and, therefore, equal.

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