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   <title>Why the Tea party is so steamed</title>
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   <published>2010-06-15T16:35:15Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[Following, is the link to a rather intersting opinion piece in the NY Times analyzing what is&nbsp;driving the Tea Party&nbsp;'movement', particularly, their rage.&nbsp;(Thanks, go to&nbsp;Andrew&nbsp;Sullivan, for highlighting this).&nbsp; http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/the-very-angry-tea-party/?hp Here's an excerpt: "...what no other commentator I have read can...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Following, is the link to a rather intersting opinion piece in the NY Times analyzing what is&nbsp;driving the Tea Party&nbsp;'movement', particularly, their rage.&nbsp;(Thanks, go to&nbsp;Andrew&nbsp;Sullivan, for highlighting this).&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/the-very-angry-tea-party/?hp">http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/the-very-angry-tea-party/?hp</a></p>
<p>Here's an excerpt:</p>
<p>"...what no other commentator I have read can explain, is the passionate anger of the Tea Party movement, or, the flip-side of that anger, the ease with which it succumbs to the most egregious of fear-mongering falsehoods.&nbsp; What has gripped everyone's attention is the exorbitant character of the anger Tea Party members express.&nbsp; Where do such anger and such passionate attachment to wildly fantastic beliefs come from?"</p>]]>
      
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   <title>Can I Haz Petrodollars?</title>
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   <published>2010-06-08T15:07:50Z</published>
   <updated>2010-06-08T15:09:00Z</updated>
   
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   <title>Freeper with entirely too much spare time</title>
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   <published>2010-05-07T15:55:40Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[The below linked&nbsp;post will speak for itself.&nbsp;&nbsp; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2508784/posts...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>The below linked&nbsp;post will speak for itself.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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   <title>Disappointment vs. Hope</title>
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   <published>2009-08-10T13:27:29Z</published>
   <updated>2009-08-10T13:52:32Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[I want to bring two particular dailyKos posts (diaries, over there) to the attention of the TPM community. The first post is a sincere&nbsp;lament by a progressive who's disappointed over the direction Pres. Obama seems to&nbsp;be going. The second is...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I want to bring two particular dailyKos posts (diaries, over there) to the attention of the TPM community. The first post is a sincere&nbsp;lament by a progressive who's disappointed over the direction Pres. Obama seems to&nbsp;be going. The second is an equally excellent response to that lament.&nbsp;We've been having this&nbsp;debate&nbsp;as well.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Lament post: <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/9/764340/-Oh,-my-President.-What-are-you-doing">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/9/764340/-Oh,-my-President.-What-are-you-doing</a></p>
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<p>Response post: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/10/764413/-Obama-is-President-not-the-Champion-of-Progressives">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/10/764413/-Obama-is-President-not-the-Champion-of-Progressives</a></p>
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   <title>What African-Americans See</title>
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   <published>2009-08-06T03:56:47Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[I highly&nbsp;recommend&nbsp;the&nbsp;diary titled, 'We knew, and we are watching. Sadly.', by&nbsp;Deoliver47 posted over at dailyKos. She writes about what many African-Americans&nbsp;see and feel&nbsp; observing the&nbsp;growing racially motivated hate&nbsp;being so quickly and so openly cast at the first black U.S. president....]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I highly&nbsp;recommend&nbsp;the&nbsp;diary titled, '<span>We knew, and we are watching. Sadly.', </span>by&nbsp;Deoliver47 posted over at dailyKos. She writes about what many African-Americans&nbsp;see and feel&nbsp; observing the&nbsp;growing racially motivated hate&nbsp;being so quickly and so openly cast at the first black U.S. president.</p>
<p>Here's an excerpt: </p>
<p>I'd like you to remember, think back to the early days of the primary, and the numerous polls and interviews with AA's who were fearful of voting for Barack Obama because they thought if he was selected he would become a target for the simmering boiling racism that is not far below the surface, ever, for us, right here in our home.&nbsp;&nbsp;I stress "our home" since African-Americans are as much a part of the foundation stones and building blocks of the US as any group, and actually more so than many who arrived in later waves. </p>
<p>We have been watching for generations. &nbsp;Like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Man">Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man"</a> we are ofttimes &nbsp;like anthropologists; participating and observing at the same time. Always wary. &nbsp;Sleep with one eye open. &nbsp;Prayers waft upwards in the hope that there is somebody up there listening from black churches cross America. &nbsp;"Please keep that young man safe" "God, protect him". &nbsp;Can't tell you how many times I've heard this repeated. &nbsp;Sadly, we know that God don't seem to protect those we cherish, or put into leadership. &nbsp;Can't tell you how many shrines I've seen in black homes. &nbsp;MLK, JFK and Bobby...Malcolm and others...we know, and feel powerless. </p>
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<p>Here's the link:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/5/762110/-We-knew,-and-we-are-watching.-Sadly">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/5/762110/-We-knew,-and-we-are-watching.-Sadly</a>.</p>
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   <title>Jeepers Freepers!</title>
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   <published>2009-07-20T00:41:58Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[The Freepers are playing with fire again. Most recently, they received national media attention for calling 11-year old Malia Obama "a ghetto whore" among other hateful and racist things. Now, check out this post&nbsp;by 'patriotgal1787'. Especially, the last bullet point...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>The Freepers are playing with fire again. Most recently, they received national media attention for calling 11-year old Malia Obama "a ghetto whore" among other hateful and racist things. Now, check out this post&nbsp;by 'patriotgal1787'. Especially, the last bullet point she raises declaring a "blood bath" as the only way to rid themselves of Obama. I don't believe that this is the first time the FreeRepublic site has featured posts suggesting bloody violence be committed against the&nbsp;President, but their insanity seems to ratchet up&nbsp;weekly. Perhaps, they are only full of hot air, but this suggestion by iodiotgal1787&nbsp;would seem to violate the law and should draw the interest of the Secret Service. In any case, right-wingers continue to radicalize toward critical-mass. Here's that link: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2295807/posts">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2295807/posts</a></p>
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<p>Here's the source essay for the Freeper post. It's&nbsp;more insane&nbsp;still: <a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999</a>&nbsp;</p>
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   <title>Healthcare: Right or Privilege?</title>
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   <published>2009-07-11T15:02:22Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[DISCLAIMER: I'm not a member of&nbsp;the healthcare industry. The following thoughts, analysis, and conclusions&nbsp;are pretty much pulled out of my a--. Any resemblance between them and reality, living or dead, is likely&nbsp;coincidental.&nbsp; It seems to me that one of the...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><span>DISCLAIMER: I'm not a member of&nbsp;the healthcare industry. The following thoughts, analysis, and conclusions&nbsp;are pretty much pulled out of my a--. Any resemblance between them and reality, living or dead, is likely&nbsp;coincidental.&nbsp; </span></p>
<p><span><br />It seems to me that one of the main problems with healthcare is the whole notion that it is legitimate to profit off of the sickness of others. This philosophical question gets occasionally raised, and then only obliquely&nbsp;by Democrats, but I don't recall&nbsp;ever having seen it argued directly, forcefully, and consistently. I think that was the whole point behind the presidential debate question of whether healthcare is a privilege or a human right. </span></p>
<p><span>If healthcare is merely a privilege, then profit making is not only legitimate but, indeed,&nbsp;should be the prime motivating force behind the design and operation of our healthcare system/industry. Just as profit is the prime motivating force behind all other successful commercial industries. That is, if you believe Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' theory. But, if on the other hand, healthcare is a human right, is there any legitimate place for the usual profit making motivations?</span></p>
<p><span>In exploring this philosophical question we require a basic qualitative definition of profit. By profit, I mean those&nbsp;earnings above the cost of providing healthcare services and products. All costs of operating, including doctor and staff pay, and including certain non-operating costs such as reinvestment are not profit, they are costs. Profit is excess earnings paid to investors after all those other costs have been paid. Obviously, this definition can be gamed to include huge pay packages to executives, as was done by Health South, and which&nbsp;fall, none the less,&nbsp;under the definition&nbsp;of a legitimate operating cost. The only means which I can immediately think of to control that sort of abuse is either by regulation of executive compensation or by greatly increasing market competition&nbsp;- increasing&nbsp;market competition, though,&nbsp;can be&nbsp;highly problematic&nbsp;in healthcare.&nbsp;I think&nbsp;we should&nbsp;move the healthcare industry toward some low or non-profit model justified by the notion that&nbsp;healthcare is a human right. Let's begin with the low hanging fruit, the health insurance companies. </span></p>
<p><span>I think that private h<span>ealth insurance companies&nbsp;</span>either shouldn't exist at all, leaving the government to insure everyone as a non-profit entity, or, they should&nbsp;be strongly regulated by some model of 'cost plus'. 'Cost plus' isn't the same as a pure non-profit model. It means that they can charge premiums&nbsp;high enough only to cover their legitimate operating costs plus some modest fixed profit margin. This was/is the model used to regulate many&nbsp;utility companies and for much of the same philosophical reasons I'm suggesting are true for the healthcare industry. </span></p>
<p><span>Attempts to remove as much (or all) of the profit motivation as is practical from the healthcare industry would predictably meet stiff opposition from conservatives, both Republican and Democratic, in congress. Yet, we as a nation have done something similar in principle, if not scope, before by the regulation of utility companies. I realize that this a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison because water and electric utilities usually owned monopolies within their local markets. AT&amp;T owned a national monopoly on telephone service until 1984. AT&amp;T was considered a utility and operated on a 'cost plus' basis, however, they didn't face any real competition. However, even with those specific differences, I think there are enough similarities to justify such an approach for our healthcare system. At the very least, what was done in the utility industry provides historical proof that some model which is not designed to maximize profit isn't somehow Marxist or un-American.</span></p>
<p><span>One of the problems with a pure non-profit models is the real issue of how to attract capital for financing innovation and capacity expansion. It may be possible to create a special low-risk government &nbsp;bond, maybe, a health T-bill. Or, maybe, bonds&nbsp;would be issued directly by the healthcare companies, but guaranteed against default by the government, just like the FDIC does for savings accounts, in order to attract&nbsp;needed capital investment. I would not argue that this approach would be perfect or even the best approach. It leaves out equity market participation - however, I suspect that may be a net positive. I would argue that the criteria for evaluating any proposed new healthcare system should be whether it would be dramatically more efficient and effective, in terms of patient servicing, not in profit making, than is&nbsp;our current system. </span></p>
<p><span>&nbsp;Our current healthcare system appears to operate without much local competition, especially for hospitals and doctors. That seems a practical market reality based on limited supply in many markets. Add to that quasi-monopoly market environment a customer base which very often is desperate to be serviced and typically in no position to negotiate price and we get a market formula which results in very high pricing. Utilities had/have cost control regulation to prevent just such an unfair market pricing environment. </span></p>
<p><span>Pharmaceutical and medical device suppliers seem to ride the gravy train inherent to any market where a third party pays for their products. </span><span>One only need&nbsp;reference the automobile collision and bodywork market to see&nbsp;an example of insurance company involvement, IMO, resulting in outrageously high service pricing. No one would have auto bodywork performed if the payment was wholly out of pocket.&nbsp;The auto collision industry would be forced to drastically lower their prices.&nbsp;I'm not, for a second, suggesting that medical insurance is not required. The point of my post is that healthcare is&nbsp;a right, and therefore, must be both affordable&nbsp;and accessible. </span></p>
<p><span>The cost of health insurance must&nbsp;be made to come down without depending&nbsp;only&nbsp;on&nbsp;free-market&nbsp;forces. The cost of most other healthcare participants, such as doctors, hospitals, drug, and medical device suppliers can be made to come down via increased competition and increased buyer power.&nbsp;Two forces which those participants likely wouldn't want to see strengthened. Personally, I'm a skeptic regarding the savings which will be realized via health IT, or&nbsp;convincing&nbsp;Americans to improve their health habits. </span></p>
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<p><span>P.S.</span></p>
<p><span>I've neglected to explicitly state why I&nbsp;believe that healthcare should be a&nbsp;right.&nbsp;I believe this becuase I&nbsp;feel that it's&nbsp;immoral to incidentally profit (in the coporate sense that I&nbsp;defined above)&nbsp;from the suffering of others. This is a notion which I also believe&nbsp;applies to&nbsp;the defense industry. The idea of removing&nbsp;profit motivation from the defense industry was advocated by Gen. Smedley Butler&nbsp;as a solution to unecessary war&nbsp;(by which, he meant, nearly all wars)&nbsp;in his famous, "War is a Racket" written way back in 1935.</span></p>
<p><span>Link:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm">http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm</a>&nbsp;</span></p>
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   <title>An insightful observation about conservative morality</title>
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   <published>2009-06-29T19:28:01Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[Modern conservative morality is dysfunctional because it's not morality at all - it's a proxy for constant, unremitting blame and hatemongering, irrespective of logic, consistency or facts.&nbsp; The above is an excerpt from a post by blogger Jesse Taylor over...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Modern conservative morality is dysfunctional because it's not morality at all - it's a proxy for constant, unremitting blame and hatemongering, irrespective of logic, consistency or facts.&nbsp; </p>
<p>The above is an excerpt from a post by blogger Jesse Taylor over at Pandagon.net. Follow the&nbsp;link to read his&nbsp;entire&nbsp;post.</p>
<p><a href="http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/i_kicked_you_in_the_nuts_because_of_bernie_sanders/">http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/i_kicked_you_in_the_nuts_because_of_bernie_sanders/</a></p>
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   <title>GOP &apos;Values&apos; Record </title>
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   <published>2009-06-25T12:43:51Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[The below link leads to a post over&nbsp;at Democratic Underground&nbsp;which has the most complete&nbsp;list of actual (some,&nbsp;alledged) Republican malfeasance&nbsp;I've yet seen. Check it out. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Political%20Tiger/72...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>The below link leads to a post over&nbsp;at Democratic Underground&nbsp;which has the most complete&nbsp;list of actual (some,&nbsp;alledged) Republican malfeasance&nbsp;I've yet seen. Check it out.</p>
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   <title>The Zeitgeist Movies</title>
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   <published>2009-06-04T15:48:51Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[I can't recall whether the "Zeitgeist" movies have been discussed on TPM before. I had heard of them but&nbsp;just&nbsp;viewed them for the first time and found them&nbsp;quite interesting. There are currently two&nbsp;such movies, each about 2-Hrs in length and available...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I can't recall whether the "Zeitgeist" movies have been discussed on TPM before. I had heard of them but&nbsp;just&nbsp;viewed them for the first time and found them&nbsp;quite interesting. There are currently two&nbsp;such movies, each about 2-Hrs in length and available for free viewing via&nbsp;the website:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com">www.zeitgeistmovie.com</a> </p>
<p>I recommend viewing the newest of the&nbsp;two&nbsp;film first, the "Addendum", released on 10-08-2008. It addresses many&nbsp;of the&nbsp;immediate concerns -&nbsp;lack of trust in our institutions, green energy,&nbsp;the banking system, the failure of our politics, etc. - &nbsp;which have&nbsp;very recently been blogged about&nbsp;here at TPM. This&nbsp;film describes the possibiity of creating a rather utopian (I don't mean that as a prejoritive)&nbsp;future for humanity. The other film, the original, deals more with what could fairly be described as conspiracy theories (again, not meant as a prejoritive), but I still found it&nbsp;well presented and worth&nbsp;watching.&nbsp;</p>
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   <title>Targets of Torture Talk </title>
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   <published>2009-05-21T20:36:40Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[Damn it, Democrats! Stop debating Cheney and the neocons on whether torture makes the target talk. Well, of course it does. How many doubt that?&nbsp;Those who do doubt that are wasting their time and effort fighting that point, IMHO. It...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Damn it, Democrats! Stop debating Cheney and the neocons on whether torture makes the target talk. Well, of course it does. How many doubt that?&nbsp;Those who do doubt that are wasting their time and effort fighting that point, IMHO. It is&nbsp;NOT THE POINT.&nbsp;The points are that torture is illegal,&nbsp;is ineffective&nbsp;as an intelligence gathering policy,&nbsp;and&nbsp;walks our nation down&nbsp;a very dark path. It's bad enough&nbsp;that the media falls for this neocon framing, but it's far worse when Democrats do. </p>
<p>I've&nbsp;posted my&nbsp;thoughts on this Cheney/neocon framing before: </p>
<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/new10/2009/05/why-cheney-may-win-the-torture.php#comments">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/new10/2009/05/why-cheney-may-win-the-torture.php#comments</a></p>
<p>and </p>
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<p>If bloggers in their&nbsp;computer dens can see the problem in that&nbsp;framing why the hell can't the Democrats who debate Republicans&nbsp;on TV? </p>]]>
      
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   <title>Cheney Will Win the Torture Debate</title>
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   <published>2009-05-13T13:31:32Z</published>
   <updated>2009-05-13T17:26:30Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[Dick Cheney, and his&nbsp;neocon ilk, will win the torture debate if liberals continue to be&nbsp;flummoxed by&nbsp;one particular&nbsp;and extremely contextual argument.&nbsp;You know the one I mean, the one where&nbsp;our government is holding someone they are positive is a terrorist and who...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dick Cheney, and his&nbsp;neocon ilk, will win the torture debate if liberals continue to be&nbsp;flummoxed by&nbsp;one particular&nbsp;and extremely contextual argument.&nbsp;You know the one I mean, the one where&nbsp;our government is holding someone they are positive is a terrorist and who has just hidden a nuke in NYC. The clock is ticking and government officials, Jack Bauer like,&nbsp;torture that known guilty terrorist to save the city and its millions of citizens. We are flummoxed becuase, IMO,&nbsp;most liberals&nbsp;likely agree with that one argument! I mean, who could credibly argue that torture shouldn't be used in such an extreme and dire scenario? That extreme&nbsp;neocon premise makes&nbsp;liberal anti-torture arguments look like an&nbsp;exercise in intellectual hand-wringing that would result in the deaths of many&nbsp;Americans. Liberals always seem to fall for this&nbsp;framing and end up weakly&nbsp;debating conservatives on torture based upon&nbsp;some extremely contextual example&nbsp;of&nbsp;an immediate and&nbsp;existential&nbsp;necessity, instead of&nbsp;debating the implications&nbsp;of using torture&nbsp;as a regular policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe that the Bush/Cheney administration used torture not a last resort in some specific existential national emergency, but&nbsp;as a policy for conducting intelligence fishing expeditions. Torture, I have no doubt, more often elicited confessions of guilt from the innocent than it obtained useful information from the guilty.&nbsp;Cheney and the neocons say that it is not only proper to use torture, but is patriotic, and simply because torture makes the victim talk. It works.&nbsp;Torture could ONLY be wrong, by their logic, if it were not effective.&nbsp;If&nbsp;the ends are the protection of American lives,&nbsp;and&nbsp;if the ends&nbsp;justify the means, then most any means become justified. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we were, however,&nbsp;to buy in to Cheney's and the neocon argument, that the efficacy of torture alone is the&nbsp;determinant of&nbsp;its just-ness, then why stop at only torturing the victim? Why not rape and torture his wife in front of him, if we believe it might provide us with useful information? How about torturing that suspect's child or his baby in front of him?&nbsp;If it makes him talk, if it "works", then, according to Cheney's logic,&nbsp;it must be&nbsp;justified.&nbsp;I heard David Shuster mention in passing, while he was subbing for Chris Matthews on Hardball yesterday, that if one agrees with Cheney, that torture is moral simply because it's effective, then&nbsp;doesn't it become immoral to NOT torture?&nbsp;Then, shouldn't our soldiers regularly torture everyone they encounter in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Iraq</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region> to ensure they don't know anything which might save an American life?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Liberals need to drill conservative proponents of torture on those sorts of questions, instead of starting from that now hackneyed, Jack Bauer, loose nuke worst case scenario. The real question is whether Americans of 2009 want their government to behave as if it were Hitler's Nazi Germany&nbsp;of 1940? Cheney and the Neocons have gone 'all in" on this torture question. Liberals must&nbsp;clearly&nbsp;expose the insanity of neocon philosophy, and should have&nbsp;neocons running for cover instead of watching them brag&nbsp;about how their barbarisms have saved the country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<entry>
   <title>The Right - Getting More Extreme by the Day</title>
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   <published>2009-05-07T17:01:00Z</published>
   <updated>2009-05-07T17:42:40Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[I don't know if anyone else&nbsp;has noted&nbsp;this&nbsp;interesting essay/analysis published yesterday&nbsp;by Sara Robinson titled, The Far Right's First 100 Days: Getting More Extreme by the Day. I had&nbsp;not read Sara Robinson before&nbsp;and was&nbsp;impressed with her&nbsp;analysis of the building right-wing extremism&nbsp;in this...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I don't know if anyone else&nbsp;has noted&nbsp;this&nbsp;interesting essay/analysis published yesterday&nbsp;by Sara Robinson titled, <strong>The Far Right's First 100 Days: Getting More Extreme by the Day</strong>. </p>
<p>I had&nbsp;not read Sara Robinson before&nbsp;and was&nbsp;impressed with her&nbsp;analysis of the building right-wing extremism&nbsp;in this country.&nbsp;Anyone who has&nbsp;kept tabs on the Freepers knows that the behavioral observations she makes&nbsp;are completely acccurate, including some Freepers making allusions to&nbsp;domestic terrorism&nbsp;as being a patriotic act&nbsp;-&nbsp;yet they have the&nbsp;insanity to call Obama a traitor. Anyhow, here are the opening paragrahs of her essay:</p><em>
<p>Sometime back in February, about three weeks into Barack Obama's administration, everybody on the left suddenly noticed that there was something different going on with the conservatives.</p>
<p>The outrageous screeds and paranoid delusions sounded pretty much as they always had -- but there was a new fury behind them, a strident urgency that hadn't been there before, and a very audible shift of the gears in right-wing behavior and rhetoric.</p>
<p>None of this came as a surprise to veteran right-wing watchers -- we'd been predicting a bad backlash since the 2006 election -- but more than three months into the new administration, it's increasingly hard to ignore the fact that this ominous new trend is taking on a momentum of its own.</p>
<p>On April 7, the Department of Homeland Security <a href="http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009041828/q=cache:NoVMKyGOQdcJ:www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf+DHS+right+wing+terror+report&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=safari">ratified some of those observations</a>. Fueled by bone-deep racism, an unnatural terror of liberal government, frustration over the economic downturn, and fears about America's loss of world standing, they said, the militant right wing is indeed rising again.</p>
<p>Its numbers are up, its talk is turning ugly, and it's not unthinkable that we could be in for a wave of domestic terrorism unseen since the mid-1990s.</p></em>
<p>Click below to read the rest of the essay:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/139825"><em>http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/139825</em></a></p>
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<p>A disconcerting, but very worthwhile read, IMO.</p>
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   <title>Johnny Reb(publican) - the South will rise!</title>
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   <published>2009-04-29T01:51:48Z</published>
   <updated>2009-04-29T02:17:09Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[Has anyone else been checking out the Freeper goings-on lately? They&nbsp;have seriously discussing the constitutionality of secession. Most of their fantasies center around having the old&nbsp;confederate states break away from the Union! Big effing surprise, huh?&nbsp;These crazy bastards hope to...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has anyone else been checking out the Freeper goings-on lately? They&nbsp;have seriously discussing the constitutionality of secession. Most of their fantasies center around having the old&nbsp;confederate states break away from the <st1:place w:st="on">Union</st1:place>! Big effing surprise, huh?&nbsp;These crazy bastards hope to re-fight the civil war! Now,&nbsp;this is entertaining to a point, but that point is quickly passing.&nbsp;Wholly irrational right-wing persecution complexes, combined with&nbsp;bigotry toward President Obama,&nbsp;have the&nbsp;makings for a highly&nbsp;volatile formulation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Add&nbsp;to that insanity,&nbsp;scattered hinting of pending violent action if their&nbsp;demands for&nbsp;a&nbsp;"constitutional"&nbsp;succession from the <st1:place w:st="on">Union</st1:place> are not recognized, and the mixture is set for an eruption of some kind I fear.&nbsp;The&nbsp;right-wing has gone completely insane after having been put out of power all of 3-months! Just a few wing-nuts, you might say. No doubt, but, I'd wager,&nbsp;enough&nbsp;of them to become the violent right-wing threat which&nbsp;that DHS&nbsp;report warned about. </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Check it out: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2235166/posts">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2235166/posts</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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   <title>Torture versus the needs of the many</title>
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   <published>2009-04-28T13:40:51Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[There are many problems with current Republican arguments in favor of torture. Aside from the purely legal problems, their moral argument doesn't hold water for me. But, before getting to that, I'd like to offer a simple&nbsp;definition of torture since...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are many problems with current Republican arguments in favor of torture. Aside from the purely legal problems, their moral argument doesn't hold water for me. But, before getting to that, I'd like to offer a simple&nbsp;definition of torture since most Republicans are trying to obfuscate&nbsp;whether waterboarding and other&nbsp;acts even constitute torture.&nbsp;My definition is: If we would object to it being done to one of our own soldiers, then it is torture.&nbsp;So, if Republicans&nbsp;do not object to&nbsp;those Americans fighting in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:country-region> being&nbsp;waterboarded by the Taliban, or by rogue elements in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Iraq</st1:country-region></st1:place>, then okay. I will accept that they truly don't believe&nbsp;waterboarding to be torture.&nbsp;However, if they would view such treatment of Americans as torture, then&nbsp;it is torture for everyone else as well. Period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Once we can agree on what is torture we can move the debate forward to whether&nbsp;it is ever moral to use torture, and if so, under what circumstances? It seems to me, that the Cheney/GOP moral position on torture boils down to; "the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few". Republicans ask; what patriotic American&nbsp;wouldn't trade the physical pain of some terrorist to save&nbsp;the lives of&nbsp;Americans? The extreme example&nbsp;trotted out is one where we are holding someone we are SURE is a terrorist and&nbsp;who has just hidden a nuke in NYC. The clock is ticking, and&nbsp;so, government officials&nbsp;acting out the ultimate duty of a patriot,&nbsp;torture that KNOWN terrorist to save the city. Actually, I might do the same myself if such a pure and dire scenario were clearly the situation, I don't truly know.&nbsp;However, I see no need ever for a torture POLICY. All that I can see&nbsp;which might ever&nbsp;be needed is for the President to personally and clearly issue a written&nbsp;executive order for some very specific individual circumstance only in a national emergency. Such an order&nbsp;should be fully&nbsp;on record&nbsp;and, soon after, unclassified so that&nbsp;the American people and history can judge the&nbsp;circumstances&nbsp;involved.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I strongly suspect that&nbsp;records will show, however,&nbsp;that the Bush/Cheney administration&nbsp;used torture as a policy mostly to&nbsp;conduct&nbsp;intelligence fishing expeditions. I believe that they used torture to get whomever they happened to have picked up to admit they were guilty of something, anything, whether they were or not. Furthermore, I believe that&nbsp;was&nbsp;done simply because we had the power to it, and because absolutely no value was placed on the humanity of the victims. Torture, I have no doubt,&nbsp;more often&nbsp;elicited confessions of guilt from the innocent than&nbsp;it&nbsp;obtained life&nbsp;and death information from the guilty.&nbsp;That was no different than how torture was used at the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Salem</st1:place></st1:City> witch trials.&nbsp;This was dark ages stuff ordered by the administration.&nbsp;That, is the first problem I have with a policy of torture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The second problem I have with a policy of torture is the increasingly dark street it leads&nbsp;down.&nbsp;If, by&nbsp;torturing one&nbsp;person, we would save the lives of&nbsp;many persons, then maybe, torture&nbsp;is, in fact,&nbsp;morally justifiable.&nbsp;Maybe, the ends do justify the means. That certainly is the essence of the argument&nbsp;Dick-moral compass-Cheney is making. If, however, we were to agree with Cheney, that the ends do justify the means and that the needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few, then why stop at only torturing&nbsp;some (presumed) terrorist? Why not torture his wife as well, if&nbsp;we&nbsp;believe it will&nbsp;"save American lives"? Would Cheney&nbsp;no longer agree that saving many American&nbsp;lives&nbsp;is&nbsp;worth the pain of some (presumed) terrorist's wife? If not, why not? Maybe, torturing the&nbsp;terrorist's children would make him tell us what we want to hear even faster, thereby, saving even more American lives. Could Cheney&nbsp;then credibly argue that thousands of American lives wouldn't be worth it?&nbsp;It's just the child of&nbsp;terrorist scum after all.&nbsp;If the ends justify the means then any&nbsp;means are justified.&nbsp;Right, Mr. Cheney?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the end of this debate, and has been pointed out by others, this really isn't about our enemies and their values,&nbsp;it's about us and our values. Republicans like to talk about our American history of courageous revolutionary patriots, and&nbsp;frontiers men and women, and about our national traditions and heritage. What Republicans want to ignore&nbsp;is that such brave people didn't take the safe route. They risked greatly&nbsp;to found and build the kind of nation they wanted to live in. Patrick Henry didn't say; give me liberty,&nbsp;but only if I don't have to risk death. What would those&nbsp;founding Americans&nbsp;think of today's cowardly Republicans?&nbsp;Probably the same as they thought about them back then, as the conservatives of their day were arguing that we should&nbsp;remain&nbsp;an English colony, and that was mostly&nbsp;because they were making&nbsp;good&nbsp;money&nbsp;off the Crown. It seems some things never change.</span></p>]]>
      
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