Jeepers Freepers!
The Freepers are playing with fire again. Most recently, they received national media attention for calling 11-year old Malia Obama "a ghetto whore" among other hateful and racist things. Now, check out this post by 'patriotgal1787'. Especially, the last bullet point she raises declaring a "blood bath" as the only way to rid themselves of Obama. I don't believe that this is the first time the FreeRepublic site has featured posts suggesting bloody violence be committed against the President, but their insanity seems to ratchet up weekly. Perhaps, they are only full of hot air, but this suggestion by iodiotgal1787 would seem to violate the law and should draw the interest of the Secret Service. In any case, right-wingers continue to radicalize toward critical-mass. Here's that link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2295807/posts
Here's the source essay for the Freeper post. It's more insane still: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
That's some skeery shit, new10. The Secret Service should see that.
July 19, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am throwing up! I am so mad. I am so freakin MAD!
July 19, 2009 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks new10. (shivers)
Call them out.
July 19, 2009 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh well look now.
there are millions in this country who think the earth and the universe are 6000 years old. Youcan show them pictures, discuss matters like geological aging, layering and the like. All the different carbon dating techniques. The speed of light and triangulation that is used to find distances.
it does not matter.
here, when I see this:
Obamanation, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?
The Basic Facts
# Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)
# Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)
# He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)
# He’s not Christian, but Muslim
# He’s not “black,” but Arab
# There is NO U.S. birth certificate, other than the forged COLB
# NO Hawaiian hospital will confirm his birth place (he has named two)
# His policies are designed to destroy the Constitutional Republic, not to uphold or defend (strike 4)
# He won’t go away without a blood bath
If he has a birth certificate and if his mummy had a birth certificate............
THAT IS IT. But to spend much time arguing is a waste of time.
You see there are many statutes that discuss 'proof of birth' and such. Certified means that a copy was made of the original document and under state law (not federal) someone is designated with the task of certifying the document. period
If it is certified, it IS AS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
But if you got into some long legal argument you might find 10 State and 20 federal statutes involved in this issue.
it does not matter. One person is in charge of certification.
So go kill the person in Hawaii who is in charge of the docuements and then we can talk.
Now as far as terrorist threats. Well:
rush called out to good repubs to go to Denver and cause a riot and he specified how best to do it.
if a prosecutor, state or federal who had jurisdiction decided to call him out on all these statements, they might get an indictment.
it is up to the prosecutor.
beck said on the air that he would pay for the bullet that killed Michael Moore.
Again it is up to the prosecutor.
When are we calling out, urging people to commit hate crimes or suicide or any felony, WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE CRIME ON A CONSPIRACY LEVEL OR AS AN AIDER AND ABETTOR.
It is up to the prosecutor.
Personally, I do not like these people. If they start telling people how to make bombs out of fertilizer and giving out addresses....to me they have crossed the line.
I do know that if Obama is not pres, biden is.
the end for now.
July 19, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beck says enough abhorrent things that can be linked to without tossing stuff out like this that hasn't been and would have resulted in his being kicked off the air. Further, you found a way to tie Christians in general into something so obviously fringe right that I am less inclined to keep reading whatever opinion you may have over the quoted material.
Sorry to offer a critique of a comment, but I still think calm and rational analysis is more helpful than hyperbole.
July 20, 2009 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now I know why I loved Mad Magazine.
July 19, 2009 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you all see the anti-Christ Photoshop job of Obama's image mid-way down in the comments section? The mixing of politics and religion is the hallmark of the American right. Talk about unholy.
July 19, 2009 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on. These guys do not constitute anything but the stinking asshole of the American Right.
July 20, 2009 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Stinking asshole", yes. "These guys do not constitute anything", I'm not so sure. We can only hope that you are correct. However, I think there's little debate that the right has become increasingly characterized by a synthesis of politics and fundamentalist religion.
So, while I don't doubt that it's only a fringe element on the right which views Obama as the anti-Christ, many not on the fringe seem to have no problem with religious dogma defining their politics. They would seem to have no problem with an autocratic theocracy governing this country, which, of course, was founded in direct opposition to such a governance.
July 20, 2009 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again, there is no proof that these guys are anything more than a fringe element. Religion paints many people's politics to various extents in both parties. We need to keep on top of actions rather than beliefs.
July 20, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
How is waiting for a bloodbath a preferred response to this person's post? Why are there people with national platforms permitted to retain a post of this nature. It is incendiary. If we do not wish to arrest them, fine, but let's not keep quiet about it. This post should be condemned every where and every time until the platform starts removing them upon notification of their existence. Why IS this still up?!?
July 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
These tools have been around for decades. When exactly is the bloodbath going to start. Stay aware, sure, but overreaction is just as bad as no reaction at all.
July 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now there's the next remark from the Right! When is the bloodbath going to start ... cause I'm ready. I don't know. When they kill an abortion doctor? When they shoot police officers in Pennsylvania? Who says we're not on the cusp and need to turn away? I believe sunshine is the best disinfectant. Bring it out in the open and the mold dies.
July 20, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talking about it and freaking out about it are two different things.
If we start taking the rights of citizens because we dislike what they are saying, where does it stop? How is that different than taking the rights of "terrorists" for what they said? Becoming that which you fear is no way to combat insanity or fringe ideology.
Fringe beliefs gain power when the majority overreacts to minor threat.
July 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, I do not believe these people need to be arrested until they do something illegal, and what they did is not illegal. But I think it is foolish to completely ignore them. So I am not. If you choose to characterize that as "freaking out" that's your choice too. While I may be more vigilant and prudent in my reamrks, I will not be silent. But thanks for taking the time to regulate my feelings towards the remark and discouraging any notice be taken. I've thought about it, again. I still disagree.
July 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, I am not saying you are freaking out but you did reply to my comment on other who appear to be. Assuming that this (or anything like it) is anything more than a fringe element getting their rocks off by sparking a response seems a bit self-defeating.
July 20, 2009 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, Jason. But we must also keep in mind that thoughts and feelings precede actions. To observe expressions of the former, is to be forewarned of the latter.
July 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
No argument. Vigilance is the price of freedom.
July 20, 2009 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from the point that you are just pretending to be a Republican/conservative/moderate, there really are not that many non-fringe Republicans online.
Either that means that they are mostly all nutcases, or that only the ones who are able to use the Internets are.
July 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am pretending to be nothing, though there are many pretend liberals around here. Left-leaning paranoia is no more attractive than right-leaning paranoia.
July 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noun + Verb + Left is as bad as Right?
July 20, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This comment makes no sense.
July 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure the Secret Service won't lose to idiotgirl2009, no matter how many video games "she" has played. Fringes should be controlled and monitored to whatever extent needed and then forgotten by the rest of us. They certainly shouldn't be feared or given greater weight than they deserve.
July 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Given that law enforcement is inclined to lean right I think they are somewhat less proactive in protecting individuals of the left.
In my lifetime there have been far more killings or suspicious deaths among the political left than right.
Statistically this is a problem.
July 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
One would think that since their wages are largely related to the fact that they are organized, that police might have a higher opinion of the left. It is the efforts of the Left that enable them to make a decent wage with decent healthcare. But, alas, it is not so.
It is just another example similar to the one I saw ans heard the other day of the UPS Driver blaring Rush Limbaugh. Rush is bitter and angry that UPS has to negotiate with the Teamsters to set wages and benefits. That Teamsters brought that driver in excess of $25/hour for delivering packages timely, but the Driver brings the voice of Rush every where he goes, every time he opens his door.
July 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
An excellent observation.
July 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand what you mean about them being organized and that it seems a bit upside down. The reality is they are a political unit as much or more than a labor unit. Pretty much across the board nationwide wages and benefits for federal, state and municipal employees have held up quite well relative to private sector wage declines. I have noticed this for a while now and have been wondering when the hammer will fall for public sector wages and benefits. There are some spats but mostly the politicians take care of their own pretty good.
July 20, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Patriotgal did not write any of it, including the "blood bath" part. She merely posted the article from the CFP. You even supplied the link to the article she posted. So you're either a liar and trying to frame a Freeper, or you are lacking in comprehension. Which is it?
July 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perpetuating, copying and posting these kinds of despicable remarks is as deplorable as having written it themselves. If it is found on their site, regardless of its origin, they are responsible for it. And whether idiotgirl wrote it or not, that does not void her responsibility for putting it up.
No one is lying or framing here. Or are you lacking in comprehension?
July 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Now, check out this post by 'patriotgal1787'. Especially, the last bullet point she raises declaring a "blood bath" as the only way to rid themselves of Obama."
That's a lie.
As for perpetuation, copying and posting, isn't that what the poster here did? He has a link to the article too, so I'm assuming you'll be calling the SS as he's responsible for it now?
July 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is my last reply to you becuase if you don't get it, then clearly you lack comprehension. This post here, takes issue with the incendiary remarks. idiot girl takes no issue with it, and by ommission supports the proposition. She may not go to jail, but she's has done nothing to stop it, ahw has shared it unequivocably. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in continuing any discussoin with you. Again, last post.
July 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Perpetuating, copying and posting these kinds of despicable remarks is as deplorable as having written it themselves. If it is found on their site, regardless of its origin, they are responsible for it. And whether idiotgirl wrote it or not, that does not void her responsibility for putting it up."
That is a ridiculous line of reasoning. I would think the original author and/or "canadafreepress" is responsible for it. But now people who post the article on other sites across the net are also responsible? Ridiculous.
July 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, people who post on other sites are responsible. They brought it to the new site. If Jane pours cyanide in Jack's drink and they die, are you suggesting it was the cyanide that killed him and not charge Jane with murder? I don't know. Maybe you do.
Let me give you another one. Guns don't kill people. People do. The author made the gun and idiot girl shot it. Get it? Why is that so ridiculous? You too. If you can't come to terms with her resposibility for spreading this, there's no point in further discussion. Last reply.
July 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was lacking in patience for the treasonous right-wing bile she was spreading and I quickly appended a link to the original source after my initial post, as you observed.
My question to you is, why do you suppose it was she spread the source essay? Was it because she disagreed with the author? She certainly gave no indication of disagreement.
As far as my framing your Freeper pals is concerned, how about you count how many Freeper comments were in disagreement with the source essay, while I'll count how many were in agreement. If more agreed than disagreed then YOU apologize for defaming me. How about we agree to do that, or are you too cowardly? I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to man up.
July 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apologize to you? For plainly stating that you are lying about the poster at FR? You are lying. There's no way around it. You are claiming that those words are hers. They are not, hence the lie.
As for not giving an indication of disagreement, neither did she agree with it. You appended the link, but did not state that your original post was wrong. Do you now wish to clarify that you were wrong?
July 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am truly sorry if the original post seems to imply that patriotgal wrote that post rather than just posted a link to it. We are pretty watchful here and try to keep it honest. But sometimes the political passions can stir us up and our wording gets sloppy, as you can see.
I can't speak for new10, of course. But generally new10 is a kind person and does not lie. We all have to be careful with Google keeping such a close eye on our every word, don't we?
Peace.
July 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your irrationality seems to be interfering with your ability to read and comprehend. I already indicated that I was hasty in attributing the content of the post directly to patriotgal, hence the appended link, which I included to the source essay. I've no need to lie, Freepers are so self-destructive of their reputations that they need no outside assistance.
Since you are the one claiming insult, then, yes, you owe me an apology for claiming I was framing Freepers. My proof are the near unanimous Freeper comments sympathetic to the content of the post. The majority of such sympathetic comments are addressed to partiotgal.
YES, I'm still waiting for your apology. Either provide one, admiting tThat I have not framed Freepers, or stay quiet and therby admit that you are a loudmouthed hypocrite. Your choice.
July 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I was lacking in patience for the treasonous right-wing bile she was spreading"
Right wing? Yes. Bile? Perhaps, in your opinion. Treasonous? No. Writing an essay predicting, not hoping but predicitng, that the administration ignoring and violating the constitution MIGHT lead to street level violence, hardly fits the true description of "treason"
July 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If not bile, then what is your description of such writings?
May I also read the clear and explicit criteria by which you deem that essay only to predict violence, and whereby it cannot also be reasonably construed as calling for violence?
July 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Based on what we are learning about 'The Family' et al... I don't think we can just 'ignore' the fringes anymore. I don't know exactly what we should do, but we clearly have not paid enough attention to what is going on behind our 'apparent' politics and the really sick story is starting to smell through.
Based on what has been going on re doctor, holocaust security guard killings etc. I think we have to do something.
July 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What could we possibly do beyond monitor activities and prosecute when laws are broken that would be Constitutionally acceptable? Three disconnected events doesn't equal a conspiracy and freaking out over anonymous posts on the tubes and wires might be a little bit premature given the actual incidents involved.
July 20, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a conspiracy, Jason, it's a trend. Once is an anamoly, twice is a concern, third time, it's a trend. Are they all working together? No. So it's not a conspiracy. Do they gather courage from the success of others? Yes, especially if no one holds up these examples and identifies them for what they are, futile, meaningless acts of violence that do nothing to advance their cause. A blogger may toss out an idea to see if others support them. That's what the abortion doctor's murderer did. Blogs can be a place to gather steam.
July 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose. Still seems a little overwrought to me given the number and severity of our other problems.
July 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't find it useful to scour comment sections looking for the crazies - we have our own on the left. Let them police or not police their crazies as we do or don't ours.
We need to worry more about the normalizing of less hyperbolic but no less dangerous eliminationist rhetoric.
July 20, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I refuse to dignify the comment or the source by clicking on either link. I don't need to read the words to get the idea, any more than I need to listen to Rush or watch Fox News.
July 20, 2009 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink