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Healthcare: Right or Privilege?


DISCLAIMER: I'm not a member of the healthcare industry. The following thoughts, analysis, and conclusions are pretty much pulled out of my a--. Any resemblance between them and reality, living or dead, is likely coincidental. 


It seems to me that one of the main problems with healthcare is the whole notion that it is legitimate to profit off of the sickness of others. This philosophical question gets occasionally raised, and then only obliquely by Democrats, but I don't recall ever having seen it argued directly, forcefully, and consistently. I think that was the whole point behind the presidential debate question of whether healthcare is a privilege or a human right.

If healthcare is merely a privilege, then profit making is not only legitimate but, indeed, should be the prime motivating force behind the design and operation of our healthcare system/industry. Just as profit is the prime motivating force behind all other successful commercial industries. That is, if you believe Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' theory. But, if on the other hand, healthcare is a human right, is there any legitimate place for the usual profit making motivations?

In exploring this philosophical question we require a basic qualitative definition of profit. By profit, I mean those earnings above the cost of providing healthcare services and products. All costs of operating, including doctor and staff pay, and including certain non-operating costs such as reinvestment are not profit, they are costs. Profit is excess earnings paid to investors after all those other costs have been paid. Obviously, this definition can be gamed to include huge pay packages to executives, as was done by Health South, and which fall, none the less, under the definition of a legitimate operating cost. The only means which I can immediately think of to control that sort of abuse is either by regulation of executive compensation or by greatly increasing market competition - increasing market competition, though, can be highly problematic in healthcare. I think we should move the healthcare industry toward some low or non-profit model justified by the notion that healthcare is a human right. Let's begin with the low hanging fruit, the health insurance companies.

I think that private health insurance companies either shouldn't exist at all, leaving the government to insure everyone as a non-profit entity, or, they should be strongly regulated by some model of 'cost plus'. 'Cost plus' isn't the same as a pure non-profit model. It means that they can charge premiums high enough only to cover their legitimate operating costs plus some modest fixed profit margin. This was/is the model used to regulate many utility companies and for much of the same philosophical reasons I'm suggesting are true for the healthcare industry.

Attempts to remove as much (or all) of the profit motivation as is practical from the healthcare industry would predictably meet stiff opposition from conservatives, both Republican and Democratic, in congress. Yet, we as a nation have done something similar in principle, if not scope, before by the regulation of utility companies. I realize that this a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison because water and electric utilities usually owned monopolies within their local markets. AT&T owned a national monopoly on telephone service until 1984. AT&T was considered a utility and operated on a 'cost plus' basis, however, they didn't face any real competition. However, even with those specific differences, I think there are enough similarities to justify such an approach for our healthcare system. At the very least, what was done in the utility industry provides historical proof that some model which is not designed to maximize profit isn't somehow Marxist or un-American.

One of the problems with a pure non-profit models is the real issue of how to attract capital for financing innovation and capacity expansion. It may be possible to create a special low-risk government  bond, maybe, a health T-bill. Or, maybe, bonds would be issued directly by the healthcare companies, but guaranteed against default by the government, just like the FDIC does for savings accounts, in order to attract needed capital investment. I would not argue that this approach would be perfect or even the best approach. It leaves out equity market participation - however, I suspect that may be a net positive. I would argue that the criteria for evaluating any proposed new healthcare system should be whether it would be dramatically more efficient and effective, in terms of patient servicing, not in profit making, than is our current system.

 Our current healthcare system appears to operate without much local competition, especially for hospitals and doctors. That seems a practical market reality based on limited supply in many markets. Add to that quasi-monopoly market environment a customer base which very often is desperate to be serviced and typically in no position to negotiate price and we get a market formula which results in very high pricing. Utilities had/have cost control regulation to prevent just such an unfair market pricing environment.

Pharmaceutical and medical device suppliers seem to ride the gravy train inherent to any market where a third party pays for their products. One only need reference the automobile collision and bodywork market to see an example of insurance company involvement, IMO, resulting in outrageously high service pricing. No one would have auto bodywork performed if the payment was wholly out of pocket. The auto collision industry would be forced to drastically lower their prices. I'm not, for a second, suggesting that medical insurance is not required. The point of my post is that healthcare is a right, and therefore, must be both affordable and accessible.

The cost of health insurance must be made to come down without depending only on free-market forces. The cost of most other healthcare participants, such as doctors, hospitals, drug, and medical device suppliers can be made to come down via increased competition and increased buyer power. Two forces which those participants likely wouldn't want to see strengthened. Personally, I'm a skeptic regarding the savings which will be realized via health IT, or convincing Americans to improve their health habits.

 

P.S.

I've neglected to explicitly state why I believe that healthcare should be a right. I believe this becuase I feel that it's immoral to incidentally profit (in the coporate sense that I defined above) from the suffering of others. This is a notion which I also believe applies to the defense industry. The idea of removing profit motivation from the defense industry was advocated by Gen. Smedley Butler as a solution to unecessary war (by which, he meant, nearly all wars) in his famous, "War is a Racket" written way back in 1935.

Link: http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm 

 


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Excellent argument. I agree that Healthcare should be treated like a public utility. "Cost plus" is plenty enough for a lot of people on this planet, and as the wider public benefits, it seems to me that those that are arguing against such widespread societal benefit should be ashamed of themselves.

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Thanks, Bwak.

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I disagree that healthcare should be treated like a utility.

Who wants to restore AT&T monopoly on phone service and go back to that cost-to-service ratio?

And what's the point of turning healthcare industry into a cable industry? Do you like your cable bill? I didn't like mine, so I stopped my service.

As for healthcare being a right, the obligation of the government is to ENFORCE & PROTECT rights, not to provide them.

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The reason the telecommunications industry was able to realize such dramatic cost savings was because the monopoly of service was artificially created. It was easy for competitors to access or, perhaps, more accurately, provide a presence to all long distance customers. Healthcare delivery is a physical service provided directly hand-to-patient. It does not lend itself to the immediate and ubiquitous competitive presence that the long distance telecommunications network enabled.

Without strong competitive pressure prices don't go down, as is self-evident in healthcare industry. Regulation is the substitute for competitive market pressure to suppressing pricing in such quasi-monopolistic, high need markets, as healthcare.

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Well, by your logic, providing electric service throughout the country was wrong. Providing phone service was wrong. Water management is wrong. Environmental protections, natch. The plans to provide internet access are also misguided. Right Lalo?

I think history show that in order to provide societal benefits to the majority, (some of which will cost "more"-- boo hoo), that government is the tool with which to accomplish it. The private sector, courtesy of Ronald Reagan and the AMA poisoned the idea of universal healthcare for 50 years.

For what? THIS system?

Surely you are joking.

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I said nothing of the kind and you, as always, attribute to me the arguments I haven't made.

Utilties are monopolies because they own the infrastructure they built with their own money. They are regulated to the extent that they must be granted permission to raise prices. It's a quiet, closed system that delivers a low-cost commodity and that's why it's not under anyone's radar.

Treating healthcare as a utility wouldn't solve a single problem, it would in fact created new ones. We may slow the pace of cost growth, but we won't lower the cost.

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Sure you did.

Is electricity a right? How about telephone service? Clean water? Who ever claimed that they were? Who ever argued that they should be "free?"

Weren't these the same ugly and stoopid arguments people made when FDR decided the government needed to intervene in order to provide some "higher cost" citizens with access to the electrical grid? Tell me, does gubment "control" that now? Well gee! Go figger!

The answer is obviously not, and what these things are, are the rewards of a civil, productive society, and so is basic, preventative healthcare.

Your scare tactics are about 50 years out of date. Should I call you Harry? Or Louise?

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BTW, next time you get a phone bill, look at the surcharges. Socialism!! Gubmint interference! Ack!! The paltry few bucks a month we pay for universal access is a societal good. Damn, it's not exactly a billion dollar profit maker, it's a baseline charge to ensue the public good.

Think on that.

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I've offered the public utility argument myself a few times in conversation, though nobody I've talked to cared for the idea. I still think this is a good way to think about health care, though. "Cost plus" works for me; nonprofit would also be okay. I think you've stated the case better than I've ever managed to.

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Your "health care as a utility" argument undermines your (presumed) desired result.

Phone service, power, etc. are never free.

In fact, the more you use these services, the more you pay.

I'm not sure TPMers in general would think that a positive development.

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The objective isn't healthcare without cost. How could such a thing exist? Operations and research have cost. The objective is to eliminate those cost elements not directly traceable to providing customer benefits.

The utility analogy is only presented as a historical example of industries where customers were unfairly exposed to price increases as a result of quasi-monopoly market characteristics and high basic customer need, just as seems to exists in healthcare. Regulation was the solution then, and maybe now.

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"The objective is to eliminate those cost elements not directly traceable to providing customer benefits. "

In a word, cost-efficiency.

btw, I cannot accept your definition of profit, because wages are profit really. You're talking about return on capital investment, a limited aspect of profit. While usury is bad, some return is good. The question is whether the existing structure supports too much excess profit/wages/etc. and whether an alternative would be "better". Since the main argument against private insurance etc. is the "31%" overhead claim (even if exaggerated), there is nothing in there about profits since overhead is a cost not a profit.

Just how much of premium payments are diverted to excess profit?

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Well, I'll bet the one million dollars a day that the health industry is spending to lobby the hell out of actual health care reform was profit at one time. Now they're spending it; does that mean it's not profit any more?

Over head for insurance companies includes ads, lobbyists, agents, etc -- all of which would be unnecessary if there were universal single-payer. Although that currently isn't "profit," it would be a savings.

And please, please would those who keep on saying that we want "free health care" stop saying it?

I want everyone who can, to pay a reasonable premium BASED ON WHAT IT COSTS to deliver health care -- SHARING the risk. I am for sure sharing the risk right now, but for an absurd amount of money and my daughter can't be included in my policy because she is 23 and can't afford her own policy. People who cannot afford the premiums should have subsidies, or outright payments as they do now with Medicaid.

Last year I paid over $8,000 in premiums just for myself. I also paid about $100 in co-pays, because I rarely go to the Dr. The insurance paid on my behalf about $800 in "losses" which is how they term any payments they make. I'm sharing the risk, alright, but I am sharing only with the insurance company because they boot out anyone who gets sick enough to actually need big bucks care.

I don't want free health care. I want health care for everyone at an affordable cost, and it is done (better) in every developed country.

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I'm sorry, but it surely bad form to ask for new rights when the government is already *so* busy taking away the old ones. :-)

I don't see health care as a right any more than paved roads were a right. Paved roads, and similar infrastructure, helped the government in troop movement, and business in expansion into new markets and access to far flung workers.

I think you have to justify health care in the same way, as an improvement to the infrastructure of our economy rather than a free utility.

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Doesn't seem too difficult to make the case for health care being an improvement to the infrastructure of our economy. Workers in better health are more productive workers than those who are sick or unable to get out of bed or barely able to walk. I read a lot of history, so I don't remember where I've seen this, but lately I've been reading quite a bit about how productivity improved as people's diet improved - seems rather strange to think about sugar as something good nowadays, but the availability of affordable sugar once production took off in the colonial era apparently worked wonders to improve the ability of people to work. Seems likely that healthier people would also be better thinkers, come up with more innovative ideas, and have more energy for entrepreneurial activities.

PS I don’t think we’re talking about a “free utility” anyway, any more than railroads were free to customers after government subsidies helped build them (I think those subsidies were perhaps more in the form of free land granted to the railroad companies than in outright cash, but that’s still a subsidy).

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Thanks for saying that healthcare isn't a "right", Donal. I wanted to say the same thing, but knew the results.

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I don’t think this is an argument that health care should be free. It’s an argument that health care is a public good, like electricity or natural gas or water, and should be provided by organization(s) committed to providing service for everyone, not cherry-picking the most profitable neighborhoods or customers. Because everyone needs these basic services, there are such things as programs for low income customers who can’t afford their electric and/or gas bills and wouldn’t have heat in the winter.

As far as the argument about pre-break-up AT&T goes, I don’t see that that break-up was universally beneficial to customers. Things have changed some since the mid-eighties, with more and more people using cell phones, but at that point what most people needed was basic local phone service. After the break-up, while long distance prices went down and you were free to spend money on competing devices rather than limited to AT&T’s products, local phone service became more expensive; this placed a higher burden on people who were barely able to afford their local phone service. Also, the costs of some phone repair services were transferred to the customer, again placing a burden on those with tight budgets.

I see cable companies as a rather different problem, since cable service isn’t as basic a need as electricity, natural gas, water, basic phone service, or health care. And I can’t really comment on liking or not liking cable bills, since I’ve never had cable and rarely have had a television for the last thirty-five years.

Of course, if you don’t think that health care is a basic need and a right, none of this will matter to you. If you really think that only people who have money to spare should be entitled to health care, and that anybody who lives paycheck to paycheck deserves to be disabled or die if they become sick or are injured, I’m sorry but I disagree with you.

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"and should be provided by organization(s) committed to providing service for everyone"

- that may be, it's an argument over ideology, not an issue of cost of healthcare.

My issue with treating it a utility concerns the fact that typically utilities own the infrastructure.

Just like AT&T, they come up with the capital to pay for it (cable, wires, power lines, etc) and then they milk it for all it's worth.

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Not sure that ownership of the infrastructure is necessary for treating health care as if it were a public utility. And infrastructure in health care is rather more complex than for telecom or electricity. Hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, pharmaceutical companies, medical device manufacturers, insurance companies, multiple kinds of care providers, and I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody somewhere; lots of different kinds of resources, and all involving (hopefully) highly trained people. But I’m inclined to think that infrastructure for basic needs shouldn’t be owned/controlled by for-profit entities. Have to give it some thought.

One thing I’m sure of, after my experience as a database programmer and data manager for a small unit at an academic medical center, is that way too many people are required to do way too many kinds of coding and paperwork to satisfy the requirements of way too many organizations - and then we even had to develop our own coding system to accommodate academic and outcomes research because none of the clinical/insurance coding systems split out the data the way we needed it. Just plain too much complexity. Talk about costs...

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Priviledge -- a private niche on a cliff; where private insurance companies hang on for dear life during health care reform debates.

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Good one!

I only wish they were hanging on for dear life. Unfortunately I don’t feel as if their lives are in much danger at this point...

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Well, they sure aren't hiring lobbyists for fun.

I'm not a fan of "health care is a right" because it's not in the Constitution and it's clearly not a natural right. I think there is a big difference between "provide for" and "promote" and that we need to take it seriously, whether we propose an Amendment or not.

Beyond natural rights, we can look at rights of citizenship or rights of residence, as privileges accorded as effective but conditional rights.

The thing is that healthcare is a scarce resource so it must be allocated or rationed somehow, whether by the law of the jungle, community say-so, economic power, or other means (singly or severally). Paying for it via taxes has pluses and minuses, as does the current mishmash of methods.

I think the health care issue is a great one to use to focus on the problematic role of lobbying by big business, or lobbying by ANY business. Businesses are not citizens, they don't vote, and they are not real persons (even the sole proprietorship is not a real person, it's separable from the proprietor even if the IRS treats it otherwise). It's pretty clear that if you could strip out business lobbying, that the US would move very quickly to a baseline Single Payer system of some kind as a 'safety net' with private funding in addition to that being an option. What is not clear is how the dust would settle as to R&D, special case issues, and intrusive government invasions of personal choices (like -- obesity management becomes required in some cases). But given that many industrialized countries have some large role for government in health care, it's unlikely that the US would suddenly become non-competitive on medical technology or innovation.

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eds - Have to give your comments (this one and also the one above about profits) some thought and the library closes in half an hour so no more internet connection until noon Sunday.

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Part of the problem with using AT&T as the example is that - based on the comments - few here know about AT&T and the true cost.

I think the analogy poor. AT&T was able to be a quasi-government lab from it's amazing profits and that's what drove many of the electrical and computer science innovations of the 2nd half of the 20th century. On the other hand, once MCI filed against AT&T monopoly the costs of telecommunication came down dramatically.

Once upon a time long-distance was a truly burdensome cost.

Once upon a time we had smart people paid to sit around and innovate.

The break-up of the monopoly gave us leave of both of those items. And it allowed a different type of innovation to take place. But we lost the first type of innovation and there's nowhere today where that type of innovation takes place.

Finally, AT&T was certainly not like a regulated utility. It was a unique thing and I don't see how an analogy to health care applies, despite all the words spent on this blog.

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The analogy is a rather simple one:

1) The telecommunications industry prior to 1984 was essentially a monopoly. As such, AT&T was regulated like a utility on a 'cost plus' model.

2) The reason any kind of utility might be regulated is because it provides some basic critical/important service while lacking effective competition to control pricing.

3) The lack of market competition is usually due to some physical or other practical limitation in supply or access to customers. Or is due to some artificially created access barrier, as was done by AT&T in the case of long distance telephony access.

Couldn't market conditions within the healthcare industry be fairly described by the same characteristics which have historically justified regulation of the telecom and other industries as public utilities?

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Couldn't market conditions within the healthcare industry be fairly described by the same characteristics which have historically justified regulation of the telecom and other industries as public utilities?

Not really. AT&T was a highly vertical company as it also manufactured and rented the equipment to connect to its network. It's the equivalent of your healthcare company manufacturing the MRI machines used to diagnose you. Moreover, AT&T ended up blocking certain innovation which is why there was a compelling reason to break things up in 1984. It's the equivalent of your healthcare company disallowing any diagnostic machine that they don't manufacture. Finally, AT&T was itself blocked from getting involved in the computer revolution despite having helped create it (with little things like the transistor and the UNIX operating system).

There is really nothing compelling about the analogy -- not sure why you are pushing it, except that it sounds "okay" for those not familiar with the real history of AT&T. Why not simply state your case without it?

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As I said in my post, comparing the healthcare industry with other historically recognized utilities is a bit of an apples-to-oranges affair. You are borrowing yourself in to an intellectual rut on the AT&T example, which, as I said, was presented to provide an historical example of an industry/company being regulated because it operated in a monopolistic or quasi-monopolistic market, and which provided an important/critical service.

Are there important differences, of course. Did I originally indicate as much, yes, I did. Do those difference negate the usefulness of a comparison, not necessarily. Your failure, or unwillingness, to simply acknowledge that there appear to be significant macro similarities greatly weakens your counter-points.

The most salient counter-points I've read here were by Lalo35, who, I think, correctly points out that utilities sell commodities. His implication being that healthcare is a complex product. Both you and Lalo point out the vertical integration of most utilities. But neither of you take the next step of explaining why those differences should necessarily invalidate the effectiveness of regulating some or all of the healthcare industry. Maybe it would, but where's your supporting analysis?

So, by all means, do raise and analyze the relevant market differences which you perceive to exist between healthcare and the more traditional utilities, but please do so sans the dismissive attitude which too often accompanies your comments, and which, in this case, served only to highlight the absence of a cogent on-point analysis by you.


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Um... YOU made the analogy. The burden of proof is on you to defend it. Macro-similarities? Nope. It only serves your desire to sound-bite a complex issue and then complain that we won't swallow the sound-bite.

Don't fall in love with your analogies -- seek rather to explain your position clearly.

It would have been far better to make a comparison to when Blue Cross ruled the health insurance sector. Much more cogent. In fact, someone recently did this and pointed out how it was efficient (no duplication of machines, etc.)

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TYPO: You are burrowing yourself in to an intellectual rut...

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Their amazing REGULATED profits?

Oh.

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The original premise is wrong. Yes, the debate is over "right v priveledge". Fifteen years ago I would have said it was right. However, today we are faced with a system that will crush our economy and leave it at the mercy of foreign interests. Healthcare for all is at a reasonable price is an interest of our national security.

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drop that 1st "is" in last sentence

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The debate may be over "right vs. privilege", but it should not be.

Healthcare is not a right. It is an obligation of a conscious species.

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I agree entirely, as does the rest of the industrial world.

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Obligation?

Really? Where in any political theory does "obligation" exist?

Resources are by definition limited. Who gets how much healthcare and who gets to burn more resources than others?

Obligation?

As Pauli said, your statement isn't even wrong.

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Actually, health care IS a human right, as I outlined in a recent post.

But to your suggestion that obligations do not exist in the lexicon of political theory, you are simply wrong. Allow me to submit a list of governmental obligations that top the document founding this country:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

As jonnienohand pointed out, health care may now be considered a right, and the provision of it an obligation of national security and economic prosperity.

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Yes, well, your claiming healthcare is a right, Ripper, doesn't make it so, and there we have it. More things that are not rights: having a decent paying job; having affordable housing.

The purpose of our government is to not be intrusive in your life while allowing a common system for interacting with others (common defense - standing army, general welfare - legal system, roads, police force, etc.)

Now we can discuss the general view of the purpose of our government, I suppose and decide what it needs to provide. But by obligation? Obligation? That's a new one for government.

But as long as we are talking obligations, then we also need to tie responsibility to these "rights". One of the things I notice is that people conveniently forget that there is no longer mandatory conscription for national service. In other words, things should work both ways: obligations of the citizenry to the rest of society need also be on the list. Such mandatory national service (say a choice between 2 years in the military or 3 years in civil service for free labor in infrastructure development) would bind our citizens to the country in a profound way and bind the citizens to each other. It may also help pay for the healthcare provided.

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The important point of defining healthcare as a right is that by doing so the moral legitimacy of profit making is removed from that industry.

That definition is not intended to justify, as I perceive some here fear, providing profit based healthcare coverage to everyone regardless of the costs per person. This is, however, a real concern and the inevitable direction the healthcare industry would push the definition of "the right to healthcare" should such a right ever be declared.

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The rest of the industrialize world also has different notions of family. In America our freedom of the "nuclear" family and moving great distances from it, come with other responsibilities.

Much of the costs in other countries are alleviated because multiple generations of families are available to assist in child rearing, health care, etc.

Different lifestyle.

Not a single right comes without a responsibility with it.

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