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	<title>neoboho recommended I went to hear Turandot at the movies by flavius</title>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on Lula McBoeing-Boeing by neoboho</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>ugh...I meant to write "The resistance front has announced an election boycott."</p>]]>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on Lula McBoeing-Boeing by neoboho</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Sure, I remember that, roots.  But the bet's still on.  Latest word is that they're back at the negotiating table.  The resistance front has announced an election front.  UNASUR and the Rio Group have announced that they won't recognize the elections w/o Zelaya.  The OAS *seems* to be waffling, just like State.  </p>

<p>But please, have a good gloat on me.  What are friends for?</p>]]>
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	<title>neoboho recommended The Role Of Muslim Faith In American Life by destor23</title>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on Could GOP Leaders Possibly Believe Their Own Rhetoric? by Wattree</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think they believe it's all true, Eric.  Hey, remember "General Semantics?"  In my mind it is a semantic issue.  I've read Korsybsky's "Science and Sanity" which lays out the General Semantic program for mass semantic therapy.  And I've read (parts of) Ernst Cassirer's "Philosophy of Symbolic Forms," which suggests that our perception of the world is determined by our symbolic proclivities: language, art, math and so on.  So yes, words can create realities, and distorted words can create distorted realities.  Psychotherapy has always been about language, even when practiced by Igorot doctors on Luzon in ancient times.  </p>]]>
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	<title>neoboho recommended Could GOP Leaders Possibly Believe Their Own Rhetoric? by Wattree</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I think it's complex more than I can imagine, DD.  At any given time, we only have part of the story. I mean we haven't even mentioned Chavez, the border war on the Venezeula/Columbia line, Otto Reich's interests in Central American telecommunications industry, the great arms bizarre in Paraguay, and on and on and on.  Just think, those diplomats have to keep everything in mind each time they utter a comment.  Talk about tightrope walking.  </p>

<p>Government has become a system of back-room deals and information leaks.  Like someone leaked that Dissant was offering Brazil a 40% discount on the French jets.  Dissant responded by saying it wasn't true: "We never make our negotiations public!" they said.</p>]]>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on Lula McBoeing-Boeing by neoboho</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Aw, shucks.  I made up the conversation between Jimbo and Hillary.  All we know for sure is that DeMint did talk to Clinton, but at Friday's Press Briefing Ian Kelley wouldn't confirm that Clinton told DeMint that she would recognize the election with or without Zelaya.  DeMint went public and said she did say this.</p>

<p>The rest is true - but keep in mind that evaluating the impact on each of these issues on foreign policy is speculative - there are too many back room deals to know for sure.  You know, these diplomats and statesmen save this information for their memoirs.  Jim DeMint's memoirs will be called "DeMinted" and in it he will reveal what he talked about with Clinton.  I joke.</p>]]>
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	<title>neoboho recommended Why is TPM the Tea Baggers Best Friend?  (56% of their soapbox) by ghaon</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Curt, you're wrong about cockroach evolution.  Just when the animal grew bored with world domination, towards the end of the 200 million reign, homo sapiens sapiens evolved and provided the cockroaches with a new and exciting culinary purpose to go on.  </p>

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	<title>neoboho recommended Mint-condition Franklin by San Fernando Curt</title>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on Food: Organic vs Sustainable by Donal</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Years ago I read in Rodale's "Organic Gardening" a piece about ag in terms of work calories v produce calories.  Traditional rice growing in Asia netted 50 calories of food for every one calorie of work. The Milpas in Southern Mexico (traditional managed slash & burn) netted 20 calories for each work calorie.  US mechanized agriculture "gained" 1 calorie for every 50 calories of work.  </p>

<p>Obviously agribusiness isn't sustainable over the long haul.  However, civilization as we know it is structured around this enormous negative expenditure (growth capitalism?), so trading it in for positive efficiency is nothing less than sedition.  Help stamp out potatoism!</p>

<p>I like to fantasize about the impact of a significant revolutionary movement to replace our lawns with vegetable gardens on our economy.  With 32 million acres of turf grass in the US, it is our largest irrigated crop. We spend around $1,200 per household, or $28.9 billion annually, in lawn care. Somewhere between 50% and 70% of urban water consumption is poured on our lawns.  We use three times as much pesticides per acre on lawns than we use on ag crops. We burn 58 million gallons of gasoline mowing lawns.  So what if those lawns were converted to, say, raised-bed gardens?  </p>

<p>I've always loved the ending of Voltaire's "Candide."  All the characters of the adventure, including some that he had killed-off in the novel, ended up in Istanbul "tending their gardens."</p>]]>
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	<title>neoboho recommended Food: Organic vs Sustainable by Donal</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"We need?"  You mean like bananas?</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, it's sort of like contemplating the dimension of the center of a potter's wheel, evildoer.  That point which everything spins around.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>As did the Rio Group.  Is there a great schism developing between Latin America and the Obama Adminstration?  I hope not.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>There's something else I've just seen that responds to your question directly, sync.  It's the transcript/video of today's State Department press briefing.  Here's the link: <a href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/index.htm">http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/index.htm</a><br />
You can choose transcript or video on this page - and "Honduras" comes up at the beginning of the briefing, so you don't have to listen to a bunch of other issues.</p>

<p>What I'm extrapolating from a bunch of wishy-washy doubletalk is that Clinton was in touch with DeMint, and she told him that the Administration would recognize the validity of the elections whether or not Zelaya was reinstated.  Subsequently DeMint lifted his hold on the appointment of Arturo Valenzuela, and Valenzuela has been confirmed.  Shannon's appointment, however, is still blocked.  But Ian Kelley would not confirm this, other than saying that Clinton and DeMint had been in contact.</p>

<p>So DeMint got what he wanted - a smooth transition from the coup government to an ultra right wing government of Pepe Lobo.  At least it looks this way - but be prepared for more surprises.</p>

<p>The press briefing is very good: Kelley is put under big pressure by journalists, who seem to be fed up with State's ambiguity on this issue.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, conservatives have claimed the narrative, sync, and completely fictionalized it to boot.  You know, a right wing dictator has unconstitutionally seized power and the right wishes us to believe that he has saved democracy and the constitution.  Up-is-downism.  But hell, liberals have given them the narrative - on just about all the blogs I've looked at, the wingnuts rule the responses about 15 to 1.  Look at my posts on Honduras here - most go over the expiration edge with low rec's and hardly any comments.  The left just doesn't give a shit, and the right is happy to take up the slack.  DeMint(ed) lifted the hold on Obama's appointments, so he must have got something he wanted out of the deal.  It's pretty obvious what it was - far rightwing National Party candidate Pepe Lobo is slated to win the faux-election, so Honduras slips further right than it is now under the coup.  The right has won in Honduras - only a popular uprising will put them down.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: <a href="http://www.narconews.com/Issue61/article3917.html">http://www.narconews.com/Issue61/article3917.html</a><br />
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The National Resistance Front against the Coup d’Etat announces to the Honduran population and the international community:</p>

<p>Whereas:</p>

<p>    1.That during 131 consecutive days of the struggle, we have pressured for a peaceful resolution to the political crisis that our country has lived resulting from the coup d’état perpetrated by the Honduran Oligarchy. In this period we have supported the initiatives that have been driven by various national and international sectors, maintaining three fundamental demands: a) the return of institutional order with the restitution of the legitimate president Manuel Zelaya Rosales, b) respect for our sovereign right to install a National Constituent Assembly that brings together the country and c) punishment for the violators of human rights.</p>

<p>    2.That the call of the agreement Tegucigalpa-San Jose contains the priority element the return of constitutional order and literally states its purpose as “to bring back the title of the Executive Power to the state previous to the that of June 28 until the conclusion of the actual governing period, January 27, 2010”</p>

<p>    3.That the National Congress, coauthor of the breaking of constitutional order on the June 28, is using delaying tactics, in not wanting to convene the complete assembly in order to repeal the decree that installed the de facto regime.</p>

<p>    4.That the OEA and the government of the United States, who we consider accomplice of the military coup d’état, do not represent our interests in the definitive exit of the people involved in the coup d’état out of power.</p>

<p>So we resolve:</p>

<p>    1.If today, Thursday, November 5, no later than midnight President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales is not reinstated to his position, the National Resistance Front against the Coup d’Etat will not recognize the electoral process and its results.</p>

<p>    2.We alert all the organizations in the resistance on a national level so that in case President Zelaya is not reinstated in the established period to be ready to execute the actions of negating the farse elections.</p>

<p>    3.We call on the international community to maintain the position that the de facto regime and the elections of November 29 are illegitimate.</p>

<p>    We resist and we will be victorious!<br />
    Tegucigalpa, M.D.C. 5 of November 2009<br />
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on A Case for Wisdom to Decide by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I thought you meant "under the water."  That's been proposed, huge turbines powered by ocean currents.  Out of sight.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>neoboho Commented on A Case for Wisdom to Decide by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-03T18:40:00Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>There's a tribe nearby - a Kumajaay band - who put in a row of wind generators with their casino proceeds.  Right on top of a mountain.  They are very proud to go green.  </p>

<p>Up in the San Joaquin valley, the Santa Rosa Rancheria (Yokuts, I believe), boasted that their casino sign is the largest neon sign in the world.</p>

<p>That said, I always liked John Stuart Mill's "greatest good" arguments.  "the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people."  </p>

<p>So the better the local economy is, the better it is for the Wampanoag casinos.</p>]]>
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