Lula McBoeing-Boeing
When first we practise to deceive!
- Sir Walter Scott
It's a two billion dollar deal or better. Brasil is shopping for 36 jet fighters. The contenders are:
The French Rafale (Squall) by Dissant. US$82.3 million
Swedish JAS 39 Gripen (Griffin) by SAAB. US$40-61 million.

F/A-18E/F Super Hornet by Boeing. US$54.7 million
It seems like eliminating the French fighter on the basis of price tag is a slam dunk, yet Brasil is leaning in that direction. Purchasing hi tech war machines is a tangle web, however. A big issue, for example, is technology transfer. In France, for further example, unions are trying to nix the deal between Lula da Silva and French President Sarkozy, because the aircraft workers see loss of jobs down the line. Why?
I'm knowledged challenged about these kinds of thing - I just want to map out the complexity of military hardware sales between nations, especially how that "tangled web" plays out in the context of international diplomatic missions.Dassault designed and builds the Rafale fighter-bomber which France is prepared to sell to Brazil.
On signing a major military hardware agreement with French president Sarkozy, Lula da Silva said he was inclined to choose the French fighter Rafale because France is prepared to transfer sensitive technology and would also allow them to be assembled in Brazil.
When first we practise to deceive!
Boeing has been jumping up and down to assure its shareholders that business is great; they have a large backload of orders to keep them busy for the next several years, yadda yadda yadda. Yet Boeing recently laid off over 4K workers, and posted a larger than expected loss of $1.6 billion, and cut its 2009 profit estimate. Airliner sales, which has sustained many of the world's aircraft manufacturers, have fallen off sharply due to the recession, and the focus is now on military aircraft. I would think that being nice to Lula da Silva would be a top priority of our State Department, including sending one of State's top negotiators to Brasil, Tom Shannon.
BiographyThomas A. Shannon, Jr.
Assistant Secretary
Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs
Term of Appointment: 10/07/2005 to presentThomas A. Shannon was confirmed as Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs on October 7, 2005.
A career member of the Senior Foreign Service, Mr. Shannon served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the National Security Council from 2003 to 2005. From 2002 to 2003, he was Deputy Assistant Secretary of Western Hemisphere Affairs at the Department of State, where he was Director of Andean Affairs from 2001 to 2002. He was U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative to the Organization of American States (OAS) from 2000 to 2001.
He served as Director for Inter-American Affairs at the National Security Council from 1999 to 2000; as Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Caracas, Venezuela from 1996 to 1999; and as Regional Labor Attaché at the U.S. Consulate General in Johannesburg, South Africa from 1992 to 1996.
During his career as a Foreign Service Officer, Mr. Shannon also served as Special Assistant to the Ambassador at the U.S. Embassy in Brasilia, Brazil from 1989 to 1992; as Country Officer for Cameroon, Gabon, and Sao Tome and Principe from 1987 to 1989; and as the Consular/Political Rotational Officer at the U.S. Embassy in Guatemala City, Guatemala from 1984 to 1986.
Mr. Shannon holds a Doctorate and a Master's degree in politics from Oxford University, and a B.A. in Government and Philosophy from the College of William and Mary.
ring...ring..."Secretary Clinton"
"Madame Secretary, Jim DeMint here."
"How can I help you, Senator?"
"Well, how about recognizing the elections in Honduras without Mel being reinstated, for starters?"
"I can't do that. The Accord clearly states that Zelaya must be reinstated. That's been our policy all along."
"Are you kidding me? With all due respect, the Accord is so ambiguous and fuzzy We can read anything into it that we want. Are you on board?
"Where is this going, Jimbo?"
"OK, tell you what. You tell me you'll recognize the elections no matter what, and I'll lift my hold on Valenzuela and Shannon. It's a good deal. I know you're anxious to get your boy down to Sambalandia, right?"
"Unnggg....good deal? Hmmmm, well, OK." [hangs up phone]
So Valenzuela gets confirmed Thursday evening. DeMint is a man of his word. Next on the agenda, Thomas Shannon. But the Republican Party is out of control - fractured, headless, no sense of reality. Enter freshman Senator George LeMieux - you know, resigned Florida Senator Mel Martinez' appointed replacement - and sabotages DeMint's deal with Clinton.
The Cubans in Florida are really pissed off at Shannon for his role in the Cuba OAS resolution.
This is just a off-the-top example of the complexity of US/Latinamica policy - there are several other burning issues informing the Obama Administration's Laninamerican policy. But it seems to me that Republicans are playing too large a role in determining this policy. DeMint's recent Honduran adventure is yielding GOP paydirt. That's not a good thing. The Obama Administration has sunk a few notches in reputation in Latinamerica, and the State Department is looking downright incompetent.














Honduras, along with its political problems, has something to do with the purchase of war materials by Brazil.
Then you throw in Cuba?
This is complicated.
What a frickin mess.
Except for Cuba relations of course, I do not see repubs getting much fuel from all this.
AND CNN OR FOX WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
November 7, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's complex more than I can imagine, DD. At any given time, we only have part of the story. I mean we haven't even mentioned Chavez, the border war on the Venezeula/Columbia line, Otto Reich's interests in Central American telecommunications industry, the great arms bizarre in Paraguay, and on and on and on. Just think, those diplomats have to keep everything in mind each time they utter a comment. Talk about tightrope walking.
Government has become a system of back-room deals and information leaks. Like someone leaked that Dissant was offering Brazil a 40% discount on the French jets. Dissant responded by saying it wasn't true: "We never make our negotiations public!" they said.
November 7, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is true, or close to true?
We all had wondered which 'business leaders' that CoDel was meeting with. ;-(
November 7, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, shucks. I made up the conversation between Jimbo and Hillary. All we know for sure is that DeMint did talk to Clinton, but at Friday's Press Briefing Ian Kelley wouldn't confirm that Clinton told DeMint that she would recognize the election with or without Zelaya. DeMint went public and said she did say this.
The rest is true - but keep in mind that evaluating the impact on each of these issues on foreign policy is speculative - there are too many back room deals to know for sure. You know, these diplomats and statesmen save this information for their memoirs. Jim DeMint's memoirs will be called "DeMinted" and in it he will reveal what he talked about with Clinton. I joke.
November 7, 2009 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, silly, I know you made up the conversation, but the gist of it or something like it rings true. 'Beware the military-industrial-corporate-complex. The Truth seems to be always and ever Out There...gaseous and swirling in the ether.
November 8, 2009 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greetings, neoboho, and a little reminder...
Do you remember my comments on your October 27th blog, when you predicted the imminent re-instatement of Zelaya, because otherwise the US and OAS would never recognize the next election in Honduras?
But you laughed it off!
Zelaya would soon be back in the Presidential Palace, and otherwise Hillary Clinton would never recognize the election...
...according to you, and a few hundred other left-wing commenters.
Remember?
Of course you don't!
November 8, 2009 6:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, I remember that, roots. But the bet's still on. Latest word is that they're back at the negotiating table. The resistance front has announced an election front. UNASUR and the Rio Group have announced that they won't recognize the elections w/o Zelaya. The OAS *seems* to be waffling, just like State.
But please, have a good gloat on me. What are friends for?
November 8, 2009 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
ugh...I meant to write "The resistance front has announced an election boycott."
November 8, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the next one in line. The F-35. It's around $100M per. That is why the F-22 was cancelled. They had to make room in the budget for future purchases of the F-35. You can be sure we'll be buying this one. A lot of them.
http://www.dailytech.com/Report+F35+Orders+Could+Be+Slashed+in+Half/article16712c.htm
http://www.jsf.mil/
November 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink