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Dear Cafe Denizens, I quit!


Alright already, I can take a hint.  My last three blogs on Honduras fell down the TPM memory pit with zero recs and zero comments.  They were a lot of work, which seems sort of pointless now - an exercise of throwing perls before swine, as they say.

I just can't grasp why the Yankee is so apathetic about their southern neighbors.  I wish someone would have the cajones to explain it to me.  Oh, well.

Anyway, I promise to cease and desist occupying electrons here on a subject that no one cares about.

The End



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A couple of thoughts come to mind, BoHo:

--your blog post titles yawn - gotta sex 'em up, or at the very least, use words such as CONSPIRACY, SCANDAL, PALIN
--those annoying spam ads are pushing your content down, down, down; how can you compete with the modern equivalent of purple sand teapot?

N.B.: purple sand teapot was a classic spam ad from months gone by. I'm still learning from it.

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I never did understand the fixation with the "purple sand teapot" spam.

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I don't even know what purple teapot is - I think I missed it. I dropped out of the Cafe after the major revision because I didn't know how it worked.

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How on earth could any of you missed Jamie Wong's classic?

Sigh...

oh little teapot...

Sigh

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Hey, thanks, Saladin. It was in April when the weather down here in the desert is exquisite. Up with the sun, landscape projects all day, and to bed early. Not much Internet time. Nice teapots, though.

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I guess the language was so pure and fractured that everyone loved it. Now we get crass mortgage consolidation.

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Everybody's got different priorities, bud. Don't take it personally, OK?

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Of course. My question was why?

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Boho: Say it ain't so. Don't quit.

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Shucks, I only meant Honduras - I'll still be lurking here.

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What about Doug Coe's friendship with Gustavo Alvarez Martinez?

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oooh, sweetmolly, you've got a can o worms here. Conservative evangelicals left footprints all over Central America in the 80s - Reagan's "Fifth Column" you might say. If this even becomes a topic here, I'll have a to say about it.

But today, we should take note that the infamous Billy Joya, commander of the 3-16 battalion's "Lince de los Cobras" death squad, was appointed as ministerial assessor in Michelleti's faux-government.

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Don't quit, man! TPM needs avuncular bloggers!

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In the interest of full disclosure, I only had two uncles and one looked like Mike Ditka and the other looked like Robert McNamara.

Please stay!

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I will. I had to look up "avuncular." Good word, I like to learn things. Thanks.

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I can do avuncular voices if anybody needs voice overs. My range goes from Walter Cronkite all the way to Darth Vader.


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Just because people didn't comment doesn't mean people didn't read. Sometimes people don't comment because they don't know enough about the subject matter, in which case, you're informing them.

But frankly, I would guess that whining about how nobody reads your stuff isn't the best way to get people to read it.

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Au contraire, Orlando. Whining has it's place. It's just that once a blog falls into the pit, it's more or less gone forever. I put a lot of work into it, for the benefit of my friends here, so I want it to be read. Think of "whining" like "advertising."

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I was actually shamed in to reading them by the whining. But that's just me. Small sample I realize.

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I often forget to rec'd. They need another category; something along the lines of "is it forwardable". Don't leave, I SEND ALL YOUR STUFF TO MY MOM!

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Some news sites have a "most forwarded" category. Very useful. I still like the idea of TPM (hint, hint) programming how many times a post was viewed. I'm sure Movable Type allows this level of granularity.

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There's two ways to look at recs, I think. One, ego gratification - that can be important to some of us. The other is just keeping the blog up on the list longer, so people see it. I forget to rec a blog myself far too often. I'm going to try to discipline myself.

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I posted something after Midnight that got pushed off before Noon. Timing is also important. I think posting at 10 am is good.

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1) I am still not sure who is right and wrong in Honduras.
2) They may enjoy the US ignoring them, considering the historical result of our taking notice.

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I hear you, Tom. And like most political intrigues, once you start digging around the dirt piles up on both sides. Did I say "sides?" That's not so clear in Honduras. President Mel's Liberal Party is center-right, while the "opposition" National Party is further right. There's a "left" in Honduran politics, of course, but we aren't being informed about it. It includes about 70% of the population, which is why the constitutional issue is so important. Reforming the constitution, or creating a new one, wasn't Mel's idea, it's been simmering in the Honduran stew-pot for several years.

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More wonderful proof that a meta-post will garner more attention than some others!

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ha ha - very observant.

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The meta of what net news and politics junkies are interested in is very important meta. The future of news coverage is clearly going to be just as affected by "ratings" on the net as it has been on television. If everyone goes after ratings, resources for coverage of the less popular topics will be squeezed dry. Yeah, I know, there's sites devoted to Honduras with supposed citizen journalism, blah blah blah. But the idea is to have average busy but educated citizens have at least few sites to go to with a more balanced view of what's going on in the world. So far it's still looking unpromising that this place is going to be one of those places.

The reaction of the TPM audience to neoboho's posts, someone volunteering to collate and present coverage being missed here, does not bode well for the future and speaks of an increase in parochialism, cliquishness, myopia, group think, things like that.

TPM just got a major injection of funding, it's going to be a player for a while, and it will really be sad if with that funding it exacerbates those problems rather than trying to change them. Someone has try to make a few more people like to eat their spinach once in a while. If everyone goes after what the majority/mob of the moment audience wants to talk about, we are all screwed.

We all really have more power to affect coverage than we ever had. But the results continue to disappoint. It's still a vicious circle of talking points going viral. Seems to me too many liberals/progressives care more about playing talking points with Rush Limbaugh, caught in old paradigms, rather than working with the new vista that sits wide open in front of them.

The TV cable news scours the blogosphere to see what's hot and covers those things only for the ratings. The New York Times site is forced to plan their site around what topics are hot and throw away a cntury of practice in print at editing what gets play, resources and coverage according to a judgment of balance and import, and then selling the elite audience that wanted that judgment to high-end advertisers--flawed though the model may have been, at least it was not an attempt to pander to lowest common denominator "most popular" interests.

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AA, years ago I posted a quote, I think it responded to something you had written, and I said I couldn't remember the art critic who had written it. I still can't remember - it's in a collection of photocopies from grad school, and I've never found it. Anyway, this is it:

"The theory of modern art is a theory of consumption disguised as a theory of production."

I think it applies to media. The whole mechanism of surveys and polls to determine the content of mass media means both producers and consumers dip into the same cultural well for content. It becomes a chicken and egg argument. My position is one of liberation. Resist, comrades, the cage we build around ourselves! Freedom of thinking, that's what I say.

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:-)

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Neoboho. I am sorry I missed your posts. I appreciate your whining as I have gone back and read them. Please continue.

AA, thank you for regularly posting Spinach. I particularly appreciated you pushing Profco's april blog on the Roxana Saberi case.

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neoboho, It will sit *very* uncomfortably for many at TPM to consider that covert CIA activities from the coup in Honduras, protest mobilization in Iran to the unrest in China are back with a vengeance under Obama. It takes away from "Hope".

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huh?

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Qwerty, you subversive rascal you...yep, Roberto Carmona surfaced in Tegucigalpa cheering on the Golpistas, bless his heart. I'll bet few remember Roberto - he was the "King for a Day" in the 02 failed coup against Hugo Chavez. As a matter of fact, if you do a play by play analysis and comparison of the Venezuelan and Honduran coup d'etats, you can see that both followed the same script.

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I wish someone would have the cajones to explain it to me

I'll give it a try. First, it's not about Yankees, it's about TPM members.

Then, from getting to know that audience over several years, I suspect the theory goes like this: if we solved the Israel problem, there would be peace on earth and ponies for everyone. For that reason, the only suffering that matters is that of the Palestinians.

Now if you had done a post on AIPAC's involvment in Zelaya's ouster and his expressed support of the Palestinian cause...

Yankees might be racially prejudiced and not care about brown/yellow people. For the TPM audience at large, though, the Oppression Olympics is over, and it is clear who won. I get the impression it is not race based, rather, they have like a laser beam focus (don't dare call it myopic) on the same things that Arab people care about, because if you make the Arab people happy, everyone else will be happy.

This rule is often temporarily broken when there is "breaking" on other countries. The TPM audience can be momentarily distracted by such breaking news, and get drawn into thinking it might be important, but then they "right" themselves and put their foreign policy priorities back where they belong: Israel and Palestine, because solving that problem would cause peace on earth everywhere else, you see?

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P.S. Sorry I have not had enough net time recently to catch your posts and recommend them, but I am glad you did this one, because it alerted me to them and I went back and read. Thanks.

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Dang, AA, now I know that you're clairvoyant. You see, my next Honduran post, before I decided to quit, would have addressed something that simply amazed me when I dug it up: one backstory behind the coup is a pretty intense conflict between Honduran Arab and Honduran Jews in the economic/political arena. I wouldn't go for the unitary premise, but it is a significant cause of Zelaya's toppling.

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Upon a bit more reflection, I have a few more suggestions that might help you get your priorities in sync with TPM, neo. ;-)

It's not about numbers or size. According to wikipedia, those Palestinians who are stateless run about half of the total population of 10 million. (Honduras population: 7,639,327.)

And coups, well, see, they are a dime a dozen, nothing of much import--recent example: Mauritania (population: 3,364,940). The lack of interest with that one is instructive in many ways if you think about it. It's a desert Islamic republic, but it's in Africa. Africa and Latin America don't matter (unless people on those continents are expressing outrage about the Palestinian cause, of course,) and Islam is not really the issue either? What's important is Arabs being subjected to a Zionist entity in their midst?

Hutu vs. Tutsi? Han oppression of Uighurs? Han occupation of Tibet? The continuing reverberations of Russia's boot on Islamism in Chechnya and Ingushetia? Mexico going down the tubes? 5 million + dead in Congo? North Korea's ties with Burma? Pffffft! Fuggedaboutit!

If oil mattered uber alles, the Venezuelan involvment would qualify on the Honduras story, so we know that's not it. Chavez however, is of mild interest because he has expressed some solidarity with the Palestinian cause and Iran. Iran matters, but only because some there don't like the Zionist entity and the Zionist entity has plans to bomb them. Iraq matters less, because, although related, it has become tiresome, but we will certainly be interested again if there pro-Palestinian issues arise there. Jakarta might matter because the terrorists might be upset about the Palestinian cause; we'll see. India and Pakistan/Afghanistan? Well, once again, there, see: Palestine. Nothing trumps Zionism as a world problem. Eyes on the prize! Peace in IP = world peace!

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Now if you had done a post on AIPAC's involvment in Zelaya's ouster and his expressed support of the Palestinian cause...

I don't think that would help either AA. The interests and culture of the reader posts section is very different from the left side of the screen.

I think we have been witness to an experiment in what happens to if no editorial control is exerted whatsoever over an open-access blog with a simple recommendation system. The discussion drifts toward social networking, "chat", online emotional co-dependency, mutual admiration societies and highly subjective and narcissistic personal literary expression. And the space is dominated by those with the most time on their hands, and who are most in need of friends or attention.

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Good points, Dan, but I remember back in paleo-tpm days someone blogged the question "why do you post on TPM?" There was a string of really interesting replys, but when my turn came up I couldn't think of a really good reason. I had to 'fess up, I posted for social reasons, i.e. that I really enjoyed the company here and it filled-up a big hole in my social life. So I wouldn't like it if everyone got all serious like me and Honduras. On the other hand, I want my cake and eat it.

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Yankees aren't interested in Honduras because they realize, even if their clandestine intelligence srvices do not, that the doings of the government of Honduras ar basically none of thir business.

They are the business of the people of Honduras.

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El Presidente, I think it is Yankee business, if for no other reason than the pressure on our southern border from undocumented immigrants. The Honduran economy right now is shored up by 24% by remittances sent home by expat Hondurans, the bulk of which reside in the U.S. either legally or illegally. Right now there are thousands making their way through Mexico as a result of the coup.

In my way of thinking, the Yankee apathy towards Latin American politics is akin to shooting oneself in the foot. It's really important, for example, to understand how and to what extent the humanitarian aid that is sent to Honduras is siphoned off by the uber rich.

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Yup. I don't know much about Honduras, and a comment from me might make it obvious.

Sorry--brain...too...tiny....

But it's a good reminder to at least skim, and rec items that raise interesting points.

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God, now I feel like a prick. I will go back and take a look.

I think I just got too involved in a bunch of projects Neo. I am sorry.

I promise to do better. Besides that little island with two nations is one of the most intriguing in the world really.

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Dicken O'Dea, dear...don't you mean Hispaniola (Dominican Republic/Haiti)....you're breaking BoHo's heart in two....

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What are you rolling in those papers?

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I can't figure out how you can write so much, dd. You must be retired, but I think you also don't have to do yard work either. A Condo? Oh, wait, you type at speed of sound...is that it?

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I almost always rec your blogs, neoboho, but I seem to have missed the last 3. Never saw 'em on the list. I've been grateful for your interest in Honduras, frankly, so please keep posting about what's going on there. Simply recycle, repackage, and repost the info that didn't get any attention so your blogs have a chance to compete with the non-news of the day (like all the Rachel Maddow and Sarah Palin posts). Could be that spam knocked you off the list sooner than a lack of interest.

Just ignore the lack of attention and start putting some cuss words and exclamation points in your titles.

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I almost always rec your blogs, neoboho, but I seem to have missed the last 3. Never saw 'em on the list. I've been grateful for your interest in Honduras, frankly, so please keep posting about what's going on there. Simply recycle, repackage, and repost the info that didn't get any attention so your blogs have a chance to compete with the non-news of the day (like all the Rachel Maddow and Sarah Palin posts). Could be that spam knocked you off the list sooner than a lack of interest.

Just ignore the lack of attention and start putting some cuss words and exclamation points in your titles.

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See how interested I am? I posted my comment TWICE!

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and I read it twice...out of respect.

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Lame. I was looking forward to the timeline you alluded to a couple of posts back. Had to take a break from spending all my time commenting on TPM and actually accomplish some real-life stuff ... but I've still been checking in on the posts here.

One of the biggest frustrations in following this is my inability to read Spanish. I can't even find a legitimately translated version of the constitution. Online translators just don't cut it for technical legal docs where exact wording is crucial to forming an opinion over legalities. So I've pretty much reached the end of my ability to comment without talking out my ass, repeating myself or highlighting the words of someone else putting forth an opinion. I don't think pushing either side's talking points accomplishes what I'd like.

One interesting thing (related to your post yesterday), in the LAT they mention: "Alfredo Facuse, one of Honduras' wealthiest businessmen, stood in the audience and pledged to help pay the government's bills if Honduras loses money from sanctions." Do you know if he is related to Miguel Facussé?

Anyhoo ... this is an important topic and I appreciate you keeping up on it.

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Well, here's a treat for you, kgb; a translation of the el Libertador article I linked to yesterday, identifying the 48 coup masters.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/kristin-bricker/2009/07/these-are-coup-leaders-they-will-be-judged

Quite a bit of far-left rhetoric, so make sure you have your filters turned to "on." Interesting that Hugo Llorens, our ambassador to Honduras, is listed as #48.

I don't know about Alfredo Facuse - the difference in spelling may not be important - I've noticed other Arab family names spelled differently. The first large Arab immigration to Honduras was after WWI, from the stress left behind by the fall of the Ottomans. The second was around 1948 - the displacement of Palestinians by the formation of Israel. The Facussé family is from this group, I believe. Miguel Facussé's parents were from Bethehem, but there as far as I know there may be other Facussé or Facusé families in Honduras.

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43 comments! Look how well petulance and whining served you!
Congratulations!
It is hard to research a piece, only to have it ignored. I must say, keeping track of reads would only reinforce the idea of "sexy titling." Not too sure about that...

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True enough, WD. Also, self-loading and reloading could be a problem. I'm guilty of endless page reloading.

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Yes, wendy, and I wear the petulence and whining banner proudly - because I at least think I have a grasp on what's at stake. It's very personal, I'm seeing a replay on several levels on what happened in Central America in the eighties, specifically when General Effrain Rios-Montt released his terrorists on the Maya communities in Guatemala. Drug crazed soldiers attacking Indian villages and killing everyone. Ripping unborn babies from their mother's wombs, and parading around the smoldering ruins with the babies skewered on their bayonets. The ultimate toll was 475 Indian villages wiped from the face of the earth, over 200,000 Indians slaughtered, with another 200,000 on the "El Norte" trail, and ending up hiding from the Migras in the good old USA. It could have been prevented, but the news media up here ignored the story, and Americans didn't even know what was happening and didn't really care. A hand full of us were screaming at the top of our lungs, but nobody was interested. I lost friends in Guatemala, and it still haunts me to this day.

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Jeepers-creepers, i was not dissing your whining, i was saying that it worked. I had thought of writing something similar once, at least asking how my posts kept disappearing before 24 hours were up. I totally agree with you that we do not know much, so care much, about any nations to the south of us. The same way when i write about native americans, folks don't seem to care much, even on prodominantly african american sites. I don't fault you for not clicking; i know my issues and outrages are not always everyone else's, in general, though i am glad you called them mexiphobic knuckle-draggers, and know the issues well. I live in a native-american-phobic community, and i get tired of writing letters to the editor about it all...

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Hey, did you just change birds? Or am I going mad? Anyway, sorry I misconstrued your comment - it was the "petulence" part, I think. It's so close to "pestulence" - I went on the defensive.

I hope you will blog on the anti-indian topic. I've spent a large part of my life "behind the Buckskin Curtain" so I'm pretty familiar with that topic. As a matter of fact, that's how I got to know some of the Mayas. In the late 70s I got involved in a project with some Nahuatl and Mayans to republish the indigenous calendar and distribute it among the Indian communities in Mexico and Central America. How idealistic was that? A cultural renaissance project. We had to solve one big issue first, and that was the Nahuas and Mayas were six months off each other in the correlation with the Gregorian calendar. In Mexico, we all agreed to meet in Guatemala and hash it out with the elders to see if a common correlation was possible. But the killing intervened, and our project ended.

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I did switch birds, i do every so often. I was recently (well, maybe not really) disabled, so i can't work now, and i took up bird portraiture. I love the little boogers, and have new favorites all the time. Some days they get me out of bed in the morning...
I was thinking of petulant like my kids and grandkids get to do, and i wish I COULD!!! "So there, you asshats!" I'm down with the occasional hissy-fit, believe me; it keeps us sane. Polite can mask too much, i think, though, yeah, it is the grease of social interaction, yeah, yeah...

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I worked hard once on a minutemen-militia-in- arizona/sheriff joe arpaio piece once, posted it late, it disappeared by morning, and i reposted it. Still, almost no one recommended it. It is frustrating sometimes to discover your work is either ignored or unappreciated. Maybe i should ask what self-loading and reloading is, molly?

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Just put "Clinton and Palin caught in Love Nest -- Pics!" as the title.

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I remember that one, Wendy. I almost replied, too. I remember why I didn't in fact. I live on the border in Imperial Valley, and the blog on the local newspaper frequently goes to those issues, and I and about three other regulars take on all the "Mexiphobic Knuckledraggers" stick up for the Mexicans. When I read yours, I was exhausted from the battle. But fault me for not clicking (r). I am guilty.

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If I recommend or comment, the numbers don't change until I reload the page several times in a row. So I find myself loading and reloading pages, closing out the browser, etc.

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If you quit, I'll no longer have the second most luxurious beard at TPM--think it over. The pressures of having the most luxurious would be too great for me to stand. :-)

p.s. I'm in Montreal and attending a conference, and haven't been at a computer during the period your last two posts were on the front page. Consider this a belated reccy and comment.

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Don't let the "truth of photography" fool you, amike. My beard is actually very thin. My sister once commented "you're then only guy I know who has a beard that you can count." On the other hand, it sure beats shaving.

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I'm not sure if this applies to you or not, but I would implore you that your blog is set so that it appears on both the cafe site and the tmpdc site. I for one HATE that all blogs don't end up on both sites anymore. Often I check TPMDC first for news and then may not have time to check the cafe. Just a suggestion.

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I don't know how to do that, SchrodingersCat. I'll snoop around and see if I can figure it out.

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When you're at the "Create Entry" page there should be a box on the right side of the page labelled "Categories" that contains boxes to check to indicate which part of TPM you would like your blog to appear in.

It used to be that the "Recent Readers Posts" list appeared on TPMDC. As near as I can figure, it now seems this list only appears at the Cafe and only the "Recommended Readers Posts" (at least those who clicked on "TPMDC") appears on the actual TPMDC page. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I fear I'm missing out on a lot of good posts.

In addition, I will own up and say that I often forget to click "Rec" on a blog even when I really like it. This usually involves some sort of distraction by one of my kids. Sorry. :)

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You can't quit till we've had an opportunity to win back the money you won from us. ;) I missed your last post on Arias, which I thought to be very informative. Keep on keeping on neo. The recommend feature is an unpredictable metric. I know I often forget to hit the button, but convince myself I have. I think that's probably not an uncommon practice. Aside from oversights like that I've posted what I thought were important blogs that gain little attention, while some that I was very much conflicted about even posting make it to the top of the heap. Go figure. Then there are those blogs such as this particular one which I recommend more for the ensuing discussion than your original 'essay'.

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Lots of good feedback for you here so let me add something indirectly related to your experience. As I find it, the Café is more dialogical than most well trafficked sites. I can look at an article on Huffpo and see a zillion comments but very few that comprise any back and forth. On the other hand at the Café there is a lot of dialogue in the comments. So perhaps your strict information transmission format may not be best suited for this forum. I read your first post on Honduras and appreciated the detailed analysis. However at that moment I was not inclined to dive into that subject. There aren’t too many neophytes here so I was not surprised at the quality of your work product. It just wasn’t the moment for me to follow your posts. Actually because of the twitter-esque way the Café archives things I didn’t even realize that you had strung several entries together on this subject. That is neither your fault nor mine but it keeps your efforts hidden and me unaware of them. All that I can suggest is that you treat the Café like a café and just come by for some conversation among interesting people and maybe some of what you know will fit the moment. If not well a lot of us know a lot but most of the time it is better said by Dickday when he is having one of his “episodes.”

I have read you before and appreciated your remarks. I would prefer that you retain a presence here. Either way we’ll meet again at the Goldman-Sachs Appreciation Day barbeque, our newest national holiday. No telling what we’ll be talking about then.

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"Never, never, never, never, never give up!"
Churchill

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So. You still ready to give up? Is it not clear that you are valued in these parts? After you decide about it, could you please consider supporting Single-Payer Healthcare? A lot of us would be grateful, but that's beside the point. Healthcare for all would include all of us. Best to you.

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I'm reconsidering - I think the next big act will be Zelaya's return scheduled for Friday. I do support SPHC. What we now have is straight out of medieval Transylvania, the fiefdom of Insurlandia. Bloodsuckers.

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See? It isn't all that bad, neoboho. :)

The sun'll come out tomorrow

bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow ...

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74 commeents are absolute proof it was you and not your excellent articles. {That was an attempt as sarcasm. 74 comments suggest we like you, we realy, really like you!}

Maybe, just maybe, folks are a bit ovestimulated with healthcare at the moment. Frankly, I have, on rare occassion, re-posted articles to see if a better time would work, like after TPM takes all the trash/spam off the recent posts. It can also work better on a different day of the week. Sometimes a lot of great posts happen at once.

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And nobody even looked at my last post praising Mariah Carey’s twits (that is, her tweets or twitters or whatever). Really, I don’t think the Yankees will be interested in Honduras until they come up with a good pitcher and clean-up hitter. Seriously, I hope you keep posting (I haven’t been around much lately but would have rec’d yours). Repost them; I'll bet you get a rec or two now.

I think the problem is that the media followed their usual complicity and reported the bogus stuff about Zeleya trying to unconstitutionally install himself in for another term. Then, the US has played it lukewarm, as if both sides are to blame and should come together (why should a military coup be rewarded?).

I can’t say I’m completely surprised to see this admin carry on as those in the past, talking about democracy while allowing coups to stand (if not helping) when it suits them. At the same time we’re stoking Iran’s new “democratic” revolution (you know, the one that'll overturn an election and install the Butcher of Beirut). I understand there has been a brutal and bloody crackdown in Honduras but I don't see anything in the papers about it, whereas every incident in Iran was blown up. Go figure. The more things don’t change, the more they stay the same.

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