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musgrove Thank_You_for_Smoking I would recommend it.   Heres part of the movie where tobacco lobbyist is talking to his son about how to debate. 
Joey Naylor: ...so what happens when you're wrong? 
Nick Naylor: Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong. 
Joey Naylor: But you can't always be right... 
Nick Naylor: Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong. 
Joey Naylor: But what if you are wrong? 
Nick Naylor: OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say... 
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is. 
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you? 
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other. 
Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it? 
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need. 
Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty. 
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about 
Nick Naylor: Ah! But that's what I'm talking about. 
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best... 
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right. 
Joey Naylor: But you still didn't convince me 
Nick Naylor: It's that I'm not after you. I'm after them. 
[points into the crowd] 
Whenever someone debates one of these loons on TV they must go in with the mind set that the person they will be debating will behave like this and they need to not fall for the trap. They can't let them sucker them into some debate on "death panels" or any other made up distraction because if your spending your time debating on worthless crap like that then your already losing.  Call it out for the lie it is and call out the person spreading it then demand the debate get back on topic and that you won't waste anymore time on their distraction. ]]> tag:tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com,2008:/talk//17.218280 2008-09-20T01:41:30Z 2008-09-20T01:41:30Z

"A hacker claims to have cracked the web site of Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly and purloined a list of subscribers to the site, which includes their names, e-mail addresses, city and state, and the password they use for their registration to...

musgrove Bill O'Reilly and purloined a list of subscribers to the site, which includes their names, e-mail addresses, city and state, and the password they use for their registration to the site."  http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/bill-oreilly-ha.htmlPalin's e-mail got cracked by some kid and O'Reilly went off and bashed real hackers and bashed some websites that showed the infomation.  He seemed to have pissed off a real hacker who has now posted the infomaton on wiki leaks.   Now I think hacking like this is wrong and illegal but seriously, dont throw a rock into a bee hive and expect not to get stung. ]]> tag:tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com,2008:/talk//17.193862 2008-05-08T02:13:17Z 2008-05-08T02:13:17Z

musgrove
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCNDt

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musgrove
Who else sees this uneven math as BS?  They are not using the same calculations to determine the percentages. The most accurate way to put it IMO would be to have it 57-42. When all the counting is done however the most accurate might be 57-42-1  which is a least a 15 point difference NOT A 14.  Its so dam annoying how they are using different ways of rounding in different states.  In PA they rounded Obama down and Clinton up to change it from 9 to 10 and in NC they are round Obama down and Clinton up to make it a 14 point instead of 15. 

56.7 -  41.8 = 14.9   yet it is a 14 point win for Obama not 15.  and PA was a 9.3 or w/e win for Hillary and it gets bumped up to 10....   WTF!!!

From a CNN article on their main page "Obama held a 14-point lead over Clinton"   Even though CNN's own numbers say its a 15-point lead.


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http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/obama-distanc-1.htmlReminds me of the telephone game....

musgrove
Reminds me of the telephone game.
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"North Carolina in Every Respect the Opposite of Pennsylvania: On the day Pennsylvania Democrats vote in a primary that has seen opinion polls fluctuate wildly on how big her possible win might be, North Carolina Democratic Primary voters are steady-steady,...

musgrove http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7e1ed059-9ef0-4a2c-a2a6-3cbef8ca9803


In NC the AA vote is expected to be over 40 percent.
In NC the 18-34 vote is expected to be higher then the 65+ vote, very different then PA.   
The amount of voters who have college education in the democratic primary in NC is also much higher in NC.  There has been a large increase in voter registration in the last few months, mainly with AA and the youth vote.   
Many polls are showing Obama running just slightly under Hillary with white voters overall. 

So with High AA and Youth and Educated = Obama wins, it also helps that pretty much everyone has endorsed Obama in NC.

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musgrove http://youtube.com/watch?v=QORZY11IHMo

I ask you this question though.  How the hell is McCain going to be able to stand against Obama's support? 
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It seems the Obama website has put the donor counter back on its website with the goal of 1.5 million donors by May 6th. It currently is at 1.3 million donors....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/04/AR2008040403927.html?hpid=topnewsNicely sums up the facts....

musgrove Nicely sums up the facts.
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musgrove
http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=107611
" Former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter has hinted that he might cast his vote for Senator Barack Obama to aid his emergence as the candidate for the Democrats in America’s bid to elect a new President.
Carter, who is a Super Delegate from Georgia State, gave this hint at a media interaction after the Carter Center Awards for Guinea Worm Eradication in Abuja yesterday.
Carter, who was accompanied by his wife Rosalynn, did not profess a direct support for Obama but rather choose to make a veiled statement.
“We are very interested in the primaries. Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia. My town which is home to 625 people is for Obama, my children and their spouses are pro- Obama.
My grandchildren are also pro- Obama. As a Super Delegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for but I leave you to make that guess," he said."
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