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The Republican Party Has Lost its Moral Compass


In 1950 during the height of the McCarthy era, Republican senator Margaret Chase Smith with five other Republican Senators issued a Declaration of Conscience that denounced the tactics the McCarthy factions were employing in their efforts at attacking the Democratic administration of Harry Truman with the aim of preparing for an electoral victory in 1952.  At that time the Republicans were using the spectre of the COMINTERN and internal communist subversion as a way of garnering votes while crippling a Democratic administration.

From the Declaration:

"Surely these are sufficient reasons to make it clear to the American people that it is time for a change and that a Republican victory is necessary to the security of this country. Surely it is clear that this nation will continue to suffer as long as it is governed by the present ineffective Democratic administration.

Yet to displace it with a Republican regime embracing a philosophy that lacks political integrity or intellectual honesty would prove equally disastrous to this Nation. The Nation sorely needs a Republican victory. But I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the four horsemen of calumny--fear, ignorance, bigotry and smear.

I doubt if the Republican Party could--simply because I don't believe the American people will uphold any political party that puts political exploitation above national interest. Surely we Republicans aren't that desperate for victory.

I don't want to see the Republican Party win that way. While it might be a fleeting victory for the Republican Party, it would be a more lasting defeat for the American people. Surely it would ultimately be suicide for the Republican Party and the two-party system that has protected our American liberties from the dictatorship of a one-party system.

As members of the minority party, we do not have the primary authority to formulate the policy of our Government. But we do have the responsibility of rendering constructive criticism, of clarifying issues, of allaying fears by acting as responsible citizens. "

So, back in 1950, the Republican Party still had national office holders who were brave enough to criticize their party's tactics.  Where are the Sen. Smiths now?  Why haven't we heard from any moderates of that faction brave enough to criticize the thuggery of their party's presidential campaign?  Short answer: fear.


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THAT is an extremely good question. I think Colin Powell's endorsement was a good start. Sen. Susan Collins asking McCain to stop the robo calls in Maine is helpful. I'm hoping that over the next few days we start to see more backlash coming from the moderate Republicans...Is that too idealistic?

BTW, thanks for the post...excellent information that I was unaware of...rec'd

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Good counter-examples. I suppose the best outcome of this sorry campaign would be in strengthening that party's moderates (if there are any left in office).

The Frist/Hastert/Delay era had such extremely strong party discipline...they muzzled or expelled all their moderates..

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Can't find any moderate Republicans?

Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.

Question: What do you call a pro-NAFTA, anti-gun-control politician who voted for warrantless wire-tapping and favors offshore drilling and more American troops in Afghanistan?

Answer: Barack Obama.

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You are a fool if you think Obama holds any of those beliefs. That is just to get elected, then the real leftist Obama will emerge.

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In response to your pleasant way of arguing for Obama ("You're a fool...") and since you're obviously a complete moron who knows absolutely nothing about the phony Messiah Barack Obama whom you worship, let me fill in the blanks for you a little more fully than I might have bothered to fill them in for a less insulting Obamabot.

Barack Obama supported NAFTA-Peru, even though he knew that 4,000,000 Peruvian workers were conducting a general strike against it, but Barack Obama could afford to sacrifice the jobs and farms of millions of Peruvian farmers and workers, and millions of American jobs along with them, because he knew that if he attacked Hillary Clinton about NAFTA long and often enough, the brain-dead Democratic Party would forget that he supported NAFTA-Peru, and he could still pass himself off a friend of organized labor even while he sacrificed jobs and farms to make himself look pro-business, because...

Nothing really matters to Barack Obama compared to the transcendent importance of electing Barack Obama.

Barack Obama, the lawyer who never tried a case in court, Barack Obama, the law professor who never published a scholarly article, endorsed the most radical judicial initiative of the NRA, "the individual right to bear arms," which had been rejected by every Supreme Court for 200 years before the Scalia/Bush Court invented this bogus "right," and Obama could afford to support the abrogation of the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, even though 4000 black teenagers die from handgun violence every year, because Barack Obama, the lawyer who never tried a case, Barack Obama, the law professor who never published a scholarly article, knew that supporting the NRA wouldn't really hurt him with mainstream Democrats whose only real program for black teenagers is slamming them into prison for minor drug crimes, and so Obama sided with Scalia against all previous Supreme Courts and supported the previously non-existent "individual right to bear arms," which will make it virtually impossible to maintain even the pitifully weak gun-control laws that are already on the books, much less write more restrictive laws to save the lives of thousands of black teenagers every year, because...

Nothing really matters to Barack Obama compared to the transcendent importance of electing Barack Obama. 

Obama promised to filibuster the FISA bill when he was campaigning in Wisconsin with Russ Feingold, but when that miserable bill finally came up for a vote, Obama broke his promise because, as Glenn Greenwald said, "Obama has obviously calculated that sacrificing the rule of law and the Fourth Amendment is a worthwhile price to pay to bolster his standing a tiny bit in a couple of swing states," and because...

Nothing really matters to Barack Obama compared to the transcendent importance of electing Barack Obama.

Barack Obama went-along-to-get-elected with the $700 billion give-away to banks that did (almost) nothing for home-owners in trouble and didn't even slow down the catastrophic unravelling of the financial system, because fighting for much better alternatives that would have restored a little control over the financial system to the public might have exposed Obama to criticism by McCain and cost Obama a few votes, and because...

Nothing really matters to Barack Obama compared to the transcendent importance of electing Barack Obama.

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For the benefit of brain-dead Obamabots like "theCleverBulldog," it's probably a good idea to point out that in my previous comment, the passages in a red font are "links," and if you "click" on them, they will transport you to distant news-sources where my allegations about the phony Messiah Barack Obama are documented.

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WOW! I've never been called an Obamabot before! I wouldn't vote for Obama is he were running against Satan himself. I criticize Obama not for being pro-gun, but for being anti-gun and lying about being pro-gun. As for that imaginary right, look to the Bill of Rights, amendment 2. And no court ever ruled otherwise, despite your ludicrous claims.

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Apparently the NRA-clown (instead of an Obamabot!) the CleverBulldog still doesn't understand the concept of "links."

About the "individual right to bear arms," now proclaimed by the Scalia Court, there's a "link" in my previous post, and that "link" also "links" to extensive legal discussion of this so-called "right."

How does anyone become a clown for the NRA without even getting to first base about the Second Amendment?

Until the Scalia Court ruled otherwise, the "right to bear arms" was always interpreted as a collective right by every Supreme Court in the history of the US.

What's the difference?

Read the "links."

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"CleverBulldog" --

Stop pretending to know what the Constitution says by pointing only to a snippet torn out of the out-of-context Second Amendment. Here's an example of INTELLECTUAL HONESTY for you, going to the legal authority on the point: the debates in the first Congress under the newly ratified Constitution by which the Bill of Rgights was framed, and the original draft of that which would become the Second Amendment, which has two directly relevant "virtues":

1. It includes the only POSITED "individual right" debated concerning that which became the Second Amendment; and,

2. It includes the terms for both "plural" and "individual" as concerns such as "persons".

"The right of the people [PLURAL, as in "We the people," not "We the person"] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best defense of a free country: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."

Note that at every point, from beginning to end, the focus is relentlessly and only MILITARY SERVICE, and that it was not "voluntary".

Repeating the anti-Constitutional propaganda generated by the private special-interest gun-industry-front NRA is both anti-Constitutional, ahistorical, and law-illiterate stupid. Referring again to the above draft:

1. The issue was not militia v. gum'mint; it was militia v. standing army. Why? Because "standing army" was seen to be unacceptable because a threat to GOV'T.

2. The final clause -- "but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall not be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person" -- being

1. The ONLY posited "individual right" debated concerning that which became the Second Amendment; and,

2. Having been VOTED DOWN,

the Second Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" anything.

Knowing those facts, only LIARS continue to spew the gun-industry/NRA anti-Americanism.

See:

Creating the Bill of Rights: The Documentary Record from the First Federal Congress (Baltimore, MD: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1991), Edited by Helen E. Veit, et al.

The Bill of Rights and the States: The Colonial and Revolutionary Origins of American Liberties (Madison, WI: Madison House, 1992), Edited by Patrick T. Conley and John P. Kaminski.

The Complete Bill of Rights: The Drafts, Debates, Sources, & Origins (NY: Oxford University Press, 1994), Edited by Neil H. Cogan.

I also refer you, Mr. More-Patriotic-Liar-Than-Everyone-Not-You, to US. Con. Art. I, S. 8., C. 15 and 16, which:

1. Stipulate the purposes of the militia, of which there are three, one of which is suppression of insurrections; and,

2. Stipulate that the militia will ALWAYS be (in the words of founder Samuel Adams) "in exact subordination to the Civil Power." The "Civil Power" is the gov't/rule of law, and the source of the law on thpoint is CONGRESS.

Again: the issue was not militia v. gov't; it was militia v. standing army. Militia was chosen precisely because it was seen NOT to be a threat to gov't.

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Thank you.

Hamilton, in the Federalist Papers, made it clear that militia was the goal. He did mean that individuals would have military weapons at home, but his emphasis was on the "regulated" point, by which he meant well-trained. He suggested a annual national training day, or bi-annual, for a people's militia. We have that, in our state-controlled National Guard untis.

A good clue to intent and also to the expected effect of the amendment is that it does not say "weapons" but "arms". It implicitly excludes heavy armaments like cannon, or armed ships. It only mentions what are personal arms.

So combining the meaning of "well-regulated" (well-trained) with the lack of mention of cannon, and with Hamilton's arguments about how a state militia could join forces with a small federal militia to suppress tyranny by any single state, or that the states couild resist tyranny by the federal government by combining their militias, we see justification for the legality of registering arms, and limiting the choice of type of weapon.

I would be comfortable with an interpretation that the 2nd Amendment requires that some form of personal weapon be legal, but that it can be limited to a particular type, and that it can be listed, registered, and that the owner might have to prove competence.

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You should really think before you agree with that kook. And you should know that people don't care about how you would agree to limit our rights, or what restrictions on freedom you accept. It is similar to stating you find banning various religions ok as long as not all are banned. I have the right, the constitution affirms it, and finally a court made a ruling on it. Read the ruling, it is well researched.

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"CleverBulldog" --

Unlike you, I have an actual education in actual law, and the evolution of law from earlist colonial to and through state constitutions, and to and trhough US constitution/Bill of Rights, is a decade's long special focus. And at the heart of that the Second Amendment. Unlike you, that is, I am not a law-illiterate ideologue stubbornly arguing for extremist sociopathy.

It is the FACT, fool, that the Founders/Framers -- even in that "too-radical state of Massachusetts -- REGULATED individual gun ownership, even down to:

1. In January 1776, prior to composing the "Declaration of Independence," the Continental Congress wrote and published "The Tory Act". In that the Congress wrote:

"[I]t is the opinion of this congress that they [i.e., Tories] be disarmed -- emphasis mine. That the Tories were disarmed is OBVIOUS: there was no COUNTER-"revolution".

Thus, obviously, the Founders/Framers were not opposed to gun control, down to and including confiscation -- "gun-grabbing".

2. The states, as indicated, acted on "The Tory Act"; in fact, the Massachusetts-Bay statute referenced as disarming those "disaffected with the revolution".

3. Subsequently, the Continental Congress composed and published the "Declaration," in which is a catalog of complaints against George III, this being one of those:

"He has effected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power."

Sam Adams, as MA-Bay Governuer, would put it this way:

"The military power is always in exact subordination to the Civil Power."

In other words: the Founders/Framers were OPPOSED to armed gangs -- even if they dubbed themselves "patriots" -- running around outsiide the law and shooting at THEIR GOV'TS. Don't take my word for it: look up their responses to the pre-Constitutional Shays' rebellion, and the post-Constitution Whiskey rebellion.

4. The states also enacted statutes, again at the "suggestion" of the Continental Congress, captioned "Test" -- which were, in actuality, loyalty oaths. One either SIGNED an oath of loyalty to "the cause," or ALL one's weapons and "implements of war" were confiscated, and given either to the Continental Army, or to the local LEGAL militia.

5. The states also enacted "impressment" statutes. "Impressment" was a term of art: to "press into service"; it meant what we mean today by "draft" or "conscription". It also applied to guns: if you had a gun, but weren't using it to fight the revolution, your gun was confiscated and given to someone who WOULD use it to that end.

None of any of that was actually new (a 1645-ish "Militia Act" was repealed/amended/reenacted in 1/1776 MA-Bay), any more than it was new to REGULATE the militia UNDER LAW, in all particulars, including penalties imposed upon enlistees up to and including courts martial.

As to the notion that the militia consisted of private "patriots" who showed up solely as result of zeal, with their own guns: look up "lists" in the Miliita Act/s, and statutes concerning "armory," "public arms," and regulating amount of powder to be maintained by each of the several towns, and how and where the powder was to be stored.

Stability of gov't and laws. Public safety. "National" defense. Though the war for independence is often cahracterized as a "revolution," it wasn't (there was a "revolution" in circa 1688, but that's a differnt ballgame). It was a dissolution of bonds -- a throwing off of international law originating in Britain; it was not an overthrowing of gov't/s. Gov't existed throughout the "revolution," and it was run by the Founders/Framers.

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Thank you.
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Close, but no cigar. First of all, The Federalist is not law, and its provenance otherwise makes it irrelevant to the issue of intent. For intent we go not to extra-congressional private opinion, or the biased extra-congressional advertising campaign that was the "Federalist" papers, but rather to the debates of that which became the Bill of Rights, and Second Amendment, in CONGRESS: the legislativ history, which IS legal authority.
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Hamilton, in the Federalist Papers, made it clear that militia was the goal. He did mean that individuals would have military weapons at home, but his emphasis was on the "regulated" point, by which he meant well-trained. He suggested a annual national training day, or bi-annual, for a people's militia. We have that, in our state-controlled National Guard untis.
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"Regulated" is only tangentially about "training"; see US Con. Art. I. S. 8, C. 16, which stipulates that the states' militias will be armed, and trained, etc., in accordance with the "discipline" prescribed by CONGRESS. And in what form does CONGRESS "prescribe"? In the form of LAW.

The "Militia Act" is that law; and it includes everything and the kitchen sink, including PENALTIES for those who fail to show for duty.

I also gives fine detail on the nature of the equipment required, and the specifics of weapons. But none of that was especially new -- and one needn't go to Endloand to determine the law in the colonies/provines: militia acts had existed since the establishment of the first stable colony, New Plimoth. Exactly as had gun control laws since the advent of guns, primarily to establish security in gov't and laws -- prevent violent overthrow of the civil gov't -- and protect public safety.
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A good clue to intent and also to the expected effect of the amendment is that it does not say "weapons" but "arms". It implicitly excludes heavy armaments like cannon, or armed ships. It only mentions what are personal arms.
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Again, irrelevant. Read ALL provisions in the Constitution concerning militia; and the Militia Act/Title 10. And, read you state's constitutional provisions on point, and its Militia Act/National Guard act.
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So combining the meaning of "well-regulated" (well-trained) with the lack of mention of cannon, and with Hamilton's arguments about how a state militia could join forces with a small federal militia to suppress tyranny by any single state, or that the states couild resist tyranny by the federal government by combining their militias, we see justification for the legality of registering arms, and limiting the choice of type of weapon.
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Again, irrelevant -- and incorrect. (He also noted in another Federalist paper that, had the colonies depended on the militias to win independence, the colonies would have LOST.) Read the debates of the first Congress of the Bill of Rights. In keeping with the three-source rule, I provide three sources directly on point earlier in this thread.
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I would be comfortable with an interpretation that the 2nd Amendment requires that some form of personal weapon be legal, but that it can be limited to a particular type, and that it can be listed, registered, and that the owner might have to prove competence.
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Except that the Second Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" anything, as I already made clear. One also finds the usual "Militia Clause" in Vermont's first constitution -- and, SEPARATELY, as a SEPARATE CLAUSE, the INDIVIDUAL right to "fish and fowl" (and clause also limits those rights).

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I yield.

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Well, as usual you are completely wrong. The federalist papers, the writings of the framers, and the adoption of similar language in state constitutions prove beyond any doubt that it is an individual right. The fact that the constitution is consistent in language between 'rights' and 'powers' as they apply to individuals is also relevant. Read the Scalia ruling, he documents it pretty clearly. Even Obama was forced to agree.

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"CleverBulldog" --

Again, jackass: Unlike you, I have an actual education in actual law, and have had as a central interest the evolution of law from earliest stable colony -- New-Plimoth -- to and through all state constitutions/bills of rights, and to and through ratifications of Constitution/Bill of Rights.
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Well, as usual you are completely wrong.
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In fact, jackass, and it stands to reason: Not everything in print is law. You should agree with that, else we'll have to enforce Marx. Correct?

That inarguable point being made, let's look at the actual status of your "proofs":
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The federalist papers,
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Congress makes the laws, by majority rule. And even then they aren't laws unless and until the Executive signs them.

By contrast, The Federalist was written extra-congressionally, by a minority of three delegates to the Constitutional Convention, and was expressly said by them to be an ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN with the BIASED intent to SELL the Constitution. In so doing the writers of those papers fudged here and there, and avoided and danced around anti-Federalist challenges here and there. (See front matter, The Federalist [Wesleyan], Cooke.)

At the same time, on the other end of the political spectrum, was a minority of three delegates who balanced them out when they REFUSED to sign the Constitution because it didn't include a Bill of Rights.

And, to be redundant, The Federalist has never been adopted by any legislative body -- including Congress -- as law. Therefore it is not law.

Law 101: There are two kinds of legal authority: mandatory, and persuasive.

1. These are MANDATORY authority:

A. Constitutions
B. Statutes -- by which means constitutions are implemented.
C. Regulations -- implementing statutes.
D. Court decisions/case law/judge-made law (the latter designation is THOUSANDS of years old).
E. Legislative history -- these are the legislative debates by legislators IN SESSION.

In the latter category are the debates of the Constitutional Convention, and the first Congress' debates of the Bill of Rights. We go to these for intent because they contain the words that came out of the debaters' mouths. Want to know what the Second Amendment MEANS? READ what those who WROTE it SAID it means.

2. These are PERSUASIVE authority:

All mandatory and persuasive authority, of the same kinds, from other -- foreign -- jurisdictions.
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the writings of the framers,
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Private opinion, regardless how famous the opinionator, is not law.
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and the adoption of similar language in state constitutions prove beyond any doubt that it is an individual right.
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As I've already made clear, you have it both illiterately and self-servingly ass-backward. The Original Thirteen (actually 14 -- check it out) adopted constitutions (at the suggestion of the Continental Congress) and bills of rights during 1776-77, and 1780. It is from those that the Constitutional Convention drew in framing the US Constitution. And it is primarily from those bills of rights that the US Bill of Rights was drawn. I provided the references in a prior response, above, so you can look it up for yourself. As example, that which became the Second Amendment was drawn from the MILITIA CLAUSES of the PA, NC, VT, and MA "Declarations of Rights". (Conley and Kaminski, Bill of Rights and the States, at xviii.)
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The fact that the constitution is consistent in language between 'rights' and 'powers' as they apply to individuals is also relevant.
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The first three words of the Constitution are:

WE the PEOPLE, not WE the INDIVIDUAL. WE is PLURAL, and PEOPLE is PLURAL.

Scalia asserts that there is "NO DOUBT" that the Second protects an "individual" right. I showed you DIRECTLY from the debates, verbatim, the first draft of that which became the Second Amendment; that ONLY ONE "individual right" -- that of CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION -- was debated concerning that Amendment; and that that ONE POSITED "individual right" was VOTED DOWN, which OBVIOUSLY means there is AT VERY MINIMUM CONSIDERABLE "DOUBT" that the Second protects an "individual right".

The bottom line is, again, clear and obvious: you don't know what you're alking about; you're intellectually dishonest; and you ignore standards even the Framers themselves established in law: Congress makes the laws, by majority rule; BUT if the Executive doesn't sign the "law," it doesn't become LAW.

Show me, bullshitter, where Congress adopted The Federalist as law, and the Executive SIGNED it into LAW. You can't? Then it isn't LAW. We DO NOT determine the LAW by means of that which is NOT law.
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Read the Scalia ruling, he documents it pretty clearly.
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Scalia is FULL OF SHIT, a HACK, and LYING against the clear legislative history. You're typical intellectually dishonest wingnut: if you don't like a law, it's "unconstitutional"; if you like a declaration of "law," even if it isn't law, you insist it's the law anyway.
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Even Obama was forced to agree.
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I doubt he was "forced" to agree, though I'm sure he knows the political necessity not to arouse the lead-poisoned and brain-damaged gun-nuts; but he is wrong, along with everyone else who asserts that "We the PEOPLE" actually means "We the I," or "We the PERSON," or "We the INDIVIDUAL".

Now, tell us, oh wingnut bullshitter: What difference is made by a Second Amendment which -- assuming arguendo -- "protects" an individual "right," yet doesn't protect it FROM the rule of law, as you and your anti-American fuck-ups originally insisted?

And before you answer, READ US Con. Art I., S. 8., C. 15 and 16.

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Here's a citation often overlooked in 2nd Amendment analysis. Although not exactly "Original Intent", Joseph Story is pretty close (1st corollary possibly?):

§450. The next amendment is, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offence to keep arms, and by substituting a regular army in the stead of a resort to the militia. The friends of a free government cannot be too watchful, to overcome the dangerous tendency of the public mind to sacrifice, for the sake of mere private convenience, this powerful check upon the designs of ambitious men.

§451. The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpations and arbitrary power of rulers; and it will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well-regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burdens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our National Bill of Rights.

Joseph Story, "Commentaries on The constitution", 1847, pp 264, 265

Additionally, there are some citations from either The Writings of Washington or Jefferson (i've been reading both recently, and it may be in both), which speaks of the state arming militia members with muskets and ordnance. If you're curious, I'm fairly certain I can pull the refs without much pain.

I'm unsure as to your assertion below that "arms" differ from "weapons", because I seem to remember some arguments whether cannons should be in control of state militias or the federal governments, but this may have been in anti-federalists' opposition to The Constitution.

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And I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was running against a cinder block with a busted out middle section!

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is it just me, or has it become quite apparent that "Jacob Freeze" and The Drooling Bulldog deserve to spend eternity locked in the same small room?

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L'enfer, c'est les autres....

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good one.....

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The problem is not that the republican party has lost it's moral compass. The problem is that it never had one. The party has been filled with the so called 'moderates' that want only to appease. Don't criticize Truman for putting communists in charge of gov't agencies. Don't criticize Obama for his anti American mentors Wright and Ayers. Don't retaliate when the dems block a conservative court appointment, no go and confirm Ginzburg 97-3.

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Truman didn't put communists in charge of anything.

Wright is an ex-MARINE who is more an American than you because (1) he tells the ugly truth America/Truth-haters such as you want suppressed, and (2) he's read the First Amendment.

Ayres is no more an anti-American than I, or that vast majority of the population, which is Moderate-Liberal, unlike far-right lunatic fringe fanatic elitists such as you.

You're pssied because Ayres opposed the illegal involvement of the US in Vietnam, had the sense to belong to a group that warned in advance of bombings so no one was killed -- had the good sense, that is, to know that killing is bad PR, and was thrown out of the group for being TOO MODERATE.

And DID NOT kill ANYONE.

Tell us, thug, why you lie against your own country and its interests, and yet insist you believe in truth.

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Truths like the US invented AIDS? (Which has been traced back to the late 1800's) Moron. I accept your claim to be as un American as Ayers, a man who planned to bomb a dance for young soldiers and their wives, and who was photographed standing on a US flag on 9/11.

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"Truths like the US invented AIDS? (Which has been traced back to the late 1800's) Moron."
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Ever hear of the Tuskeegee experiments on blakcs with syphillus? With that REALITY in view, why should black NOT be suspicious?
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I accept your claim to be as un American as Ayers, a man who planned to bomb a dance for young soldiers and their wives, and who was photographed standing on a US flag on 9/11.
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Except that I don't oppose the rule of law, as do you, so I'm pro-American: "A system of laws, and not of [America-hating gun-nuts]."

As for whatever you have to say against those you obviously HATE: Why on earth do you "think" anyone would take as true the word of an extremist ideologue against those he HATES based upon hate-"justifying" lies?

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Collins objects to the robocalls in Maine only because they are resulting in backlash against her. If they worked she'd do a Bushit "Bring 'em on!"

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THAT is an extremely good question. I think Colin Powell's endorsement was a good start. Sen. Susan Collins asking McCain to stop the robo calls in Maine is helpful. I'm hoping that over the next few days we start to see more backlash coming from the moderate Republicans...Is that too idealistic?

BTW, thanks for the post...excellent information that I was unaware of...rec'd

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Collins objects to the robocalls in Maine only because they are resulting in backlash against her. If they worked she'd do a Bushit "Bring 'em on!"


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We have been hearing from those people. Powell is an example.

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Could we then hope for a rise of centrist/moderate Republicans after the election?

I just went googling county republican party sites all over the country. On the Williamson County (TX)site they had a push poll: what do you dislike Democrats the most for? With choices of pork barrel spending, partisanship, liberal/secular politics, etc.

Amazingly to me (who am a policy wonk) the liberal secular politics got twice the responses as anything else.

It looks like the rank and file in Williamson County. Texas are motivated by social issues.

I don't see how moderates can get any traction against that kind of grassroots sentiment..

Its not just the leadership that has gotten extreme as I was guessing at, its their grassroots...

Two countries?

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Thank you for posting on this, Lux. I looked this up just the other day. Considered a post on it. But it wasn't mine to write.

Actually, I wondered if Susan Collin's remarks weren't in this vein. (I see stillidealistic had the same thought) Collins, not as eloquent. But a stab at it. Also Christopher Buckley, very eloquent, but an endorsement, not a chastisement.

I've been wondering for a while: Where are the adults in the republican party? It seems all too many have backed themselves into corners they're afraid to get out of.

I'd love to see groups of dems and repubs read the Constitution together. And discuss. I've been wanting this since the Dean campaign.

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hey, Thera...when you double post (don't know how I managed that,) is there a way to go back and delete it?

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Go to "Blog Now". At top, select "manage", and then choose "entries" from the drop-down menu. You'll come to a list of your posts. Select one and it will show up in the "Write Entry" page where you can edit and re-post.

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THNX!

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Read the constitution ? That'd be a first for dems. Maybe you could point out to me the right to abortion, and explain how the 2nd amendment doesn't mean what it says.

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We explain about 2nd Amendment above.

4th Amendment bears on abortion. In early stages of pregnancy, there is no way to enforce laws against abortion without searching the woman. A forced medical exam or sonogram would be required to prove pregnancy. If the woman engaged in activity that induced a miscarriage, there is no way to prove she intended an abortion, especially if there is no witness to the taking of a medication, etc. Unenforceable laws correlate well with unconstitutional laws.

Arguments that the fetus is a person fall to the problem that the supposed person is not a free agent, capable of independent life, until very late in the pregnancy. It is in practice a part of the woman's body. Also, it is not clear how one could call a fertilized ovum a person without implicating all women in murder simply for having intercourse with their husbands. This is because most fertilized ova do not implant in the unterus wall. I think the fraction is about 1 in 4 succeed. So state- and church-sanctioned intercourse would mean murder.

Men do not fear death as a result of pregnancy. I'll let the women argue over this subject.

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Your arguments on abortion are very weak, and that is being charitable. There is no agreement on where the so-called right to privacy is derived. Courts have ruled that the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendments are all the source of this 'right'. In any case, how this 'right' applies to abortion is unknown. Your argument that an egg naturally failing to implant means murder is just stupid. As far as being capable of independent life, do you then support banning abortion after viability? Do you support euthanasia for comatose patients unable to sustain themselves? Or the paralyzed? Arguing that a woman has absolute domain over her body is false, since we ban prostitution and drug use, and those would only affect her, not an unwilling fetus. (I will assume the fetus did not consent to be aborted)

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Well, you're part of that lunatic fringe faction which finds whatever IT wants in the 9th and 10th Tabla Rasa -- I mean, Amendments.

Why do you insist that only you have the right to read whatever you want into those Amendments?

As for the right to privacy to which you refer -- that related to abortion, a problem YOU will never have to confront, unless you are being sued for child support you don't want to pay -- see Griswold, which found a right of privacy governing the right to use contraception in the privacy of one's own bedroom.

You want gov't to stay out of everyone's lives -- or you'll shoot at it. Except when you want to oppress someone else based upon your freakish proprietary religionutism.

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I'm not oppressing anyone, simply defending the right of others to live, as opposed to defending the right to kill them. If you have any actual training in law, it must have been learned from inside a prison somewhere, given your highly unstable nature and propensity towards profanity and violent outbursts. Interesting that everyone else, including the Supreme Court, knows less about the law than you.

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"CleverBulldog" --

You're an ignorant ass whose arrogance and blind stupidty know no bounds. The right to privacy is in the First Amendment: freedom of conscience and belief. One CANNOT be FORCED to reveal one's PRIVATE thoughts and beliefs.

That isn't the only place that right exists, but it is sufficient.

If you want to oppose the right of privacy, then put your fanatic "righteousness" where your big mouth is and post YOUR medical records on the Internet for everyone to see. With no redactions.

Game, fool?

As for the Second Amendmnet, intellectually dishonest anti-Constitutionalist:

The first three words of the Constitution are:

WE the PEOPLE, not WE the INDIVIDUAL. WE is PLURAL; PEOPLE is PLURAL. Even the functionally illiterate can determine that.

Further -- and I provide the references above -- the sources of the Bill of Rights were, in greater part, the state constitutions/bills of rights adopted in 1776-77, and 1780. The phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is drawn from the MILITIA CLAUSES common to all those constitutions. (Vermont's first constitution includes, in addition, AND AS A SEPARATE CLAUSE, the INDIVIDUAL right to "fish and fowl).

And in every instance, in every state, the MILITIA CLAUSES INCLUDE the fact that the Commander-in-Chief of the militia is the state's GOVERNOR. What that means SHOULD be obvious:

The governor, being the governor, is not, as Commander-in-Chief of the militia, going to "defend against" the gov't of which he is simultaneously head.

Again: the debate of that which became the Second Amendment was not militia v. gov't; it was militia v. standing army; militia was preferred because standing army was seen to be a threat to GOV'T. And see US Con. Art. I., S. 8., C. 15.

And there's a second legal reality of which you and your anti-American ilk are also ignorant -- PAY ATTENTION:

1. Completion of ratification of the Bill of Rights -- which was debated and framed by Congress, populated by Founders and Framers -- occurred on:

December 15, 1791.

2. Subsequently, Congress -- populated by Founders and Framers -- enacted the "Militia Act" on:

May 8, 1792.

Therefore, OBVIOUSLY, the Second Amendment, within the scope of which is the militia, DOES NOT prevent regulation (the Militia Act, which is law, is also REGULATION, as in "Well regulated"; and see US Con. Art I., S. 8., C. 16) of the militia.

Therefore, assuming arguendo that the Second Amendment "protects" an "individual right," it also DOES NOT "protect" that "right" from REGULATION.

In sum -- and the NRA won't tell you this, but I am about to do just that: you're argument is a sucker's dumb-ass dead end:

The whole point of the effort to establish in law the LIE that the Second Amendment "protects" an "individual right" was to sidestep REGULATION of that right, on the sociopathic ground that gun control, of any degree, is "unconstitutional".

So, Scalia, being about "states' rights," except when he's being an extremist right wing activist judge, made up "law" out of thin air, declaring that there is "no doubt" -- see my prior post on this topic in this thread, which shows the exact opposite is the fact -- that the Second Amendment "protects" an "individual" right.

Ah, but he added: that "right" is STILL subject to REGULATION. So, where does that leave you? Well, you fools sidestepped the original set of gun control laws into the Second Amndmnet -- only to bring down on yourselves a SECOND set of gun control laws, where there had originally only been ONE.

Smart move! Shall we call you Dick Tracy, or Sherlock Holmes?

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Possibly the most dramatic footage I have ever seen of a major politician being put in his place for outlandishly unethical behavior took place during the McCarthy era, in an exchange between US Army head attorney Joseph N. Welch and Senator Joe McCarthy at a hearing in which McCarthy was making wild allegations about communist infiltration of the US Army.

The climax came with this line from Welch addressed to McCarthy:

Welch: You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Something about the way he said it, coming as it did from a gentleman whose demeanor inspired trust.

So, Senator McCain, you've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

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There may be no officeholder, AD, that has that kind of political courage in that party.

Powell had some freedom because he doesn't need to go to the RNC, hat in hand, for funds to run for office with.

Everyone else in that party may be hogtied so-to-speak by their reliance on party funding. I really don't know, but I was amazed in the 2000-2006 time period watching how disciplined the GOP legislative contingents had become.

The vote totals were amazing, with Republicans almost as a seamless bloc voting on issue after issue...it was like those spurious elections in dictatorships where the vote is 99% for the incumbent....

The rigid control over individual consciences was astounding and only in the last two years with the nose-dive of the administrations popularity ratings, did the uniformity start to crack...

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Yes! How indecent to question 'THE ONE'! We must not question him, he is the great leader! Who cares if he hangs out with murdering America hating terrorists. He is the messiah!

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Clever: U R teh nOOBz. My guild was raiding molten core for like 6 hours last night on teamspeak. I got mad Xp and this l33t epix dropped but some guy ninja'd my gear. I know it was U. It's like last time when we were doing the Illi run on BT and U were all "I wants teh legendaries" and I was all "No way nOOB!"

I mean seriously - Wat teh Eff, it's not a hunter weapon. All you did the whole time was autoshoot while I was in stacking sunder armor and my gear was all wrecked.

Plus I wuz crittin on moltencore!!!!

What say you?

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furthermore, I don't know english, but i say on my language; Inki, najtacniji kaledar ikada, ne meri vreme od 2008, a oni se tu glupiraju sa crnom rupom. Why that nead us???? i ask??? why? da sami sebe unistimo na kraju!!!

that settles that.

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That's 'im sorted, mate.

Bulldog won't know whether to chase his ass or bite it.

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this blog made me lose my last shreds of faith in on-topic discourse... I am now going to go to randomly generated responses by my super-computer.

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I'd say it's pretty representative for a "Whither The Republicans" post, Lux....

I'm just polishing up my "Chelsea Disses Michelle" post. Gem.

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That one may end all intelligent life in the solar system.

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At least McCarthy, unlike McLame, had a blank piece of paper from which to quote.

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I don't see the Republican Party moderating itself after what most of us expect with fingers crossed to be a Demcoratic sweep in November. I think they lurch right, with moderates like Susan Collins, Olympia Snow and Arlen Spector on their own. Where is there a base of moderate Republicans that can possibly assume control of the Party? I just don't see it, and I see the radical hard right blaming McCain's "moderation" for the decimation of the GOP.

Perhaps the thing to hope for is that the Republican moderates in the Senate will help ensure the filibuster-proof Congress that will be necessary between now and the mid-term elections in 2010.

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Yes, that's grounds for hope Bslev. Thanks for providing it. If the GOP senators you mention feel freer after a decisive democratic victory, that will be a great outcome.

Otherwise we may be in for one filibuster after another...

The democrats will claim that the vote is a mandate (just as the Republicans did in 2000). How will that effect the Republican filibuster tendency? Perhaps weaken it? I hope so.

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Republicans have become radicalized by years of conditioning to see themselves as victimized by everyone and everything else. Their perpetual minority status in Congress prior to Newt Gingrich, the Civil Rights movement, Affirmative-Action, Immigration, culture-wars, right-wing AM talk radio, all have contributed to creating and validating their hyper feelings of victimization.

McCain and Palin are in many ways the ultimate expression of that radicalization. Style trumping substance. Cultural identity over basic competence. It's only now, through the McCain campaign against Obama, that the extent of this radicalization is fully apparent.

The GOP has become a party of zealots. Their zealotry is strongly self-reinforcing (as can be seen on the Free Republic website). This radicalization seems to be reaching something of a critical mass. Some sort of GOP crack-up feels imminent. It might be a benign self-immolation and rebirth as a sane party once more (doubtful), or a violent death where they attempt to suicidally take the country down with them (more likely).

Is there still have a place for moderate Republicans, or even merely sane ones? I don't see where. Conservative intellectuals who dared speak out against the obvious cancer within the party have been ostracized or even threatened with death. Neither liberals nor moderates can control which way the GOP base destroys the GOP. What we can and must do is make sure that they don't take the country down with them.

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Great analysis! I agree with almost all of it. We see things very similarly....

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Oddly, so do I. I just welcome the shift to the extreme right, and the purging of moderates from the party. Colins, Snowe, and others are traitors to the party, they are mostly democrats or side with them when it counts (like McCain).

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WHAT HAPPENED TO MY WONDERFUL BLOG!?!?! IT TURNED INTO A BRAWL!! (sounds of Lux sobbing)

OK, I'm over it now. I think it actually got better once you folks started getting into it!

GTFOOH: I put it back to 1947.

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WHAT HAPPENED TO MY WONDERFUL BEAUTIFUL BLOG!?!?! IT TURNED INTO A BRAWL!! (sounds of Lux sobbing)

OK, I'm over it now. I think it actually got better once you folks started getting into it!

GTFOOH: I put it back to 1947.

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Lux Lux Lux..... you troublemaker. I was afraid to come in here, and now... what do I see? Busted furniture. Bulldog bits. Nagarya sleeping it off on the couch. And a couple of innocents wandering about shell-shocked.

Maybe post on something safer next time. Like Trannies. Or Nazis-sitings in Delaware. Or why we should set fire to cats. ;-)

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don't forget the booze bottles all over the floor. And yes, they DID set fire to the cat.

Next time, I'll take your advice and post an excerpt from the revised tax code.

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It would be wrong to set fire to cats.

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How about Bulldogs then?

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LOL, Nagarya. Gotta give you that one! ;-)

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The Republican Party lost it's moral compass in 1967.

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jeepers: whats with the triple post?

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C'mon, William Bennett gambled away the Republican's Moral Compass in Vegas, years ago.

Everybody knows that.

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Yeah, I saw it in a pawnshop near the Fremont. They were asking 19.99 for it.

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