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The Definitive Critique of Liberal Fascism


UPDATE: So this was a stupid idea. Obviously I've left myself open to criticism since I admit outright that I haven't read the book. Also, calling this critique "definitive" was supposed to be a joke, obviously not a very good one. So, if anyone wants to comment on the specific points below, be my guest. Why I wanted to get this out of my system and make it public is for me to figure out.

That is, without having read it myself cover to cover. Despite this, enough clips, interviews, and reviews have been published to examine the major flaws of Jonah Goldberg's revisionist history. Some have asked why bother engaging such silly arguments in the first place. I think that's valid, so let me explain why. I don't personally take offense, as a liberal, to being called a fascist. That's Goldberg's reason for writing his book. I think fascism is an endlessly fascinating topic in political history precisely because of its novelty--nothing like fascism existed before the 20th century or after it with the same potency. To see fascism treated so cavalierly to score cheap political points while filling Goldberg's coffers disturbs me. After all, Goldberg and I agree on one thing: fascism is a bad thing. We ought to take proper measures to avoid its return as a viable political option. But Goldberg isn't interested in that; in fact, he's arguing that today's liberals are fascism's intellectual heirs! And doesn't that suggest we are as close to fascism now as we were in fascism's heyday? I can't shake the sense that Goldberg's frequent complaints that his critics don't understand or haven't completely read his book are really just a cop-out. After all, what book review refutes a book page by page, claim by claim? Often book reviewers will admit to having skimmed or selectively read the work they are supposed to review. No one is going to refute the innumerable errors of fact and reasoning in Liberal Fascism, I reckon, so why not point to the obvious failures of the book which can be gleaned from passages, interviews, reviews and other secondary sources that reveal the nature of the work? That said, there are three major errors I have observed, and one minor worth discussing. I do intend to look at the book in the near future, as I will have access to a review copy shortly, and I promise to correct any errors I make here.

A minor criticism of Liberal Fascism, then, is that it doesn't take its subject seriously, despite the author's entreaties to the contrary. And truth be told, many of the criticisms made against LF are minor ones; arguments that work against it on a meta-level, such as against the author personally. There are, however, major and fatal objections one can make against the book's central contentions, the most glaring of which is that it doesn't defend a thesis (see point 1). These major objections to Liberal Fascism serve to support the minor critiques, but without further ado, the major flaws.

Point 1: Liberal Fascism does not have a thesis because it does not take seriously the implications of its evidence

In a recent interview, Goldberg described the implications of his book thusly:

No, no. I mean, I try to reject that kind of thing ... I don't believe that liberals are Nazis; I believe that if Nazism came to the United States it is entirely possible that liberals would be at the forefront of the battle to stop it. So would conservatives. I'm not trying to do any argument ad Hitlerum in this book.

But what I am trying to do, at least in the chapter that you're talking about, is show how -- [take] Robert Proctor, who wrote an award-winning, widely esteemed book called "The Nazi War on Cancer." He points out that this organic food movement, the whole-grain bread operation, the war on cancer, the war on smoking, that these things were as fascist as death camps and yellow stars. They were as central to the ideology of Nazism as the extermination of the Jews. Now, that is not the same thing. And I want to be really clear about this: That is not the same thing as saying that banning smoking is as morally disgusting and reprehensible as trying to wipe out the Jewish people. You can say that something is as much part and parcel of an ideology and not say that it is as evil.

So, if smoking bans, organic and vegetarian diets, etc. are merely similarities between liberals and Nazis, then why bring them up as examples? Early in our education we all learned how to write a simple argumentative essay. The format went something like this: Introduction, thesis, evidence (three paragraphs minimum), and conclusion. Goldberg presents what appears to be evidence--similarities between historical fascists and liberal fascists--and then tells us that no, that doesn't mean liberals are Nazis. This pattern occurs throughout the book. Eventually we have to ask, what argument is Goldberg making? What is his thesis? We have to assume, given that the title of his book has always been--changing sub-titles notwithstanding--Liberal Fascism, that he is arguing that liberals are fascists, or more precisely, to quote him, that liberals are the intellectual heirs of fascism. Ergo, shouldn't we regard action by historical fascists as evidence that the same action on behalf of liberals is evidence of their fascist tendencies? No, Goldberg says, they are not morally equivalent. So again we must ask, what's the point of bringing these things up? What's the thesis? And without a strong thesis, Liberal Fascism is not an argument; it is a compendium of similarities that lead to an obvious conclusion--liberals are fascists--and then pulls the rug out from under us by telling us that no, liberals are not actually fascists. At the most elementary level of argument, at the highest level of conceptualization, LF is incoherent. It does not wish to strongly defend what should be its thesis, and that is fatal.

Point 2: Liberal Fascism actually criticizes collective totalitarianism and does not provide a satisfying definition of fascism qua fascism

The second major conceptual error LF makes is that it argues against liberalism qua fascism by criticizing its tendency towards socialism, collectivism, totalitarianism and big brother, big government welfare. I have repeatedly pointed out that fascism is a style of totalitarianism, and if Jonah Goldberg had written a book entitled Liberal Totalitarianism, my only critique would be that it is derivative (see point 4). However, Goldberg--no doubt for polemical reasons--chose to include the f-word and thus be "provocative," enhancing his sales numbers and ensuring a high ranking on Amazon.com and hopefully, he pines, on the New York Times best-seller list. Nevertheless, Goldberg's inability to look at fascism as a phenomenon unto itself or as a manifestation of totalitarianism seriously cripples his argument. One review of LF noted this analytical error:

Indeed, Goldberg even makes some use of Orwell, noting that the author of 1984 once dismissed the misuse of "fascism" as meaning "something not desirable." Of course, Orwell was railing against the loss of the word's meaning, while Goldberg, conversely, revels in it -- he refers to Orwell's critique as his "definition of fascism."

And then Goldberg proceeds to define everything that he himself considers undesirable as "fascist." This is just about everything even remotely and vaguely thought of as "liberal": vegetarianism, Social Security, multiculturalism, the "war on poverty," "the politics of meaning." The figures he labels as fascist range from Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt to Lyndon B. Johnson and Hillary Clinton. Goldberg's primary achievement is to rob the word of all meaning -- Newspeak incarnate.

Goldberg would be on more solid ground if he had simply provided an exhaustive definition of fascism. Instead he has defined it, as the review notes, as simply all that he (and contemporary American conservatism) disagrees with. I have argued before that sloppy, self-serving definitions of loaded political terms such as fascism only illustrate that the author is tailoring his definitions to conform to his conclusions. But that does not mean that one cannot generate their own definition of fascism--it just needs to be more thorough. Goldberg has failed to do this not only because it would undermine his argument, but also because it doesn't even fit his argument! He isn't, essentially, arguing against fascism as a specific political movement, he is simply adopting the term because it offends--the very reason he supposedly set out to write his revisionist history in the first place! And worse, his arguments don't even seriously link liberalism to fascism, they link liberalism to totalitarianism. But Goldberg's analysis is only skin-deep. He needs the fascist moniker precisely because his argument is not original (see point 4).

Point 3: Liberal Fascism purposely ignores counterfactual evidence, particularly that the main feature of fascism is its illiberalism

Many reviewers of Liberal Fascism have pointed out that Goldberg is not a trained historian and that that disqualifies him from doing serious historical revisionism. I agree to a point, but arguments should be based on the merits, not pedigree. Sadly, LF fails this basic test as well. It is strikingly obvious to even the most casual student of fascism that Goldberg has consciously (or unconsciously) ignored all previous research into the phenomenon in order to argue instead for a pet thesis (and even then, not forcefully--see point 1). There is a reason, after all, why gallons of ink have been spilled in the 80+ years since fascism became a recognizable political movement--it defied all previously known forms of political organization. It was and remains an entirely novel political movement. Goldberg does not reference this copious body of work that has endeavored to understand the fascist phenomenon. Rather, we are expected to yield to Goldberg's supposedly brilliant insight that, despite all that has been written to the contrary, fascism is really a product of liberalism. In actuality we are yielding to Goldberg's intellectual laziness. Does he seriously engage the decades of analysis that tell us fascism is antithetical to liberalism? No. Instead he reminds us that the professional historian's obvious Marxist bias has tainted all previous research into the phenomenon:

There are a lot of historians who get fascism basically right. There are a lot of historians who don't. I think the Marxists have been part and parcel of a basic propaganda campaign for a very long time, but there are plenty of historians who understand what fascism was and are actually quite honest about it.

To sort of start the story, the reason why we see fascism as a thing of the right is because fascism was originally a form of right-wing socialism. Mussolini was born a socialist, he died a socialist, he never abandoned his love of socialism, he was one of the most important socialist intellectuals in Europe and was one of the most important socialist activists in Italy, and the only reason he got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I.

And this is where the argument about Goldberg's credentials becomes relevant. To say Mussolini was a lifelong socialist ignores fascism as a phenomenon unto itself. And if fascism is really just an epiphenomenal form of socialism, then why not write a book called Liberal Socialism? To reiterate point 1, why is fascism even relevant? What is Goldberg's argument? Add to this his jaw-dropping claim that "the only reason he got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I" and the relevance of Goldberg's scholarship becomes glaring. The very term "fascism" was coined by Mussolini! It was derived from the ancient Roman fasces, in a throwback to revitalizing the glory of ancient Rome. Does Goldberg even know what he's talking about? Does he even know the basic history of fascist Italy? In another part of the same interview, this telling exchange occurred:

You've talked about Mussolini remaining on the left and remaining a socialist, and in your book you've got a lot of quotes from the 1920s about that, but I'm wondering -- how does that fit in with what he wrote and said later, especially "The Doctrine of Fascism" in 1932?

I'd need to know specifically what he wrote in "The Doctrine of Fascism." It's been about three years since I've read it.

If Goldberg were a historian, he could never get Liberal Fascism past a peer review. The standards for publishing scholarly work are very high. It is not enough to have a new argument; it must also surpass or enhance all conventional wisdom in the field. But Goldberg is not an academic. He is a political writer who has made a novel argument without considering the body of evidence that argues against his thesis (if he even has one--another prerequisite for scholarly work). It isn't hyperbolic to say that this is a fatal flaw: by ignoring the major counterfactual to his thesis, namely that fascism has historically and unanimously been understood as antithetical to liberalism, he undermines his own thesis--that fascism is exclusively a product of the political left. I am forced to use the term "exclusively" because Goldberg does not provide examples of historical fascisms that originate on the historical right. If he did, he wouldn't have an argument; his book would merely be a series of coincidences pointing toward no conclusion. By ignoring this very important counterfactual Goldberg has rendered the meaning of "fascism" relative. Now, anything can be considered fascist under Goldberg's criteria. This is particularly ironic given that Goldberg's motivation for writing his book was to counter the ugly rhetoric from some on the left over the years to paint anyone on the right as a "fascist." All Goldberg has done is replace the hyperbole and inaccuracy of calling a conservative a fascist with calling a liberal a fascist. This is barely above a schoolyard taunt. It's embarrassing.

Point 4: Liberal Fascism is not a novel argument

This is a minor criticism of Liberal Fascism, but a telling one. As I discussed above in point 2, the bulk of Goldberg's argument is against the totalitarian tendencies of liberalism; mislabeling this as "fascism" just makes his book "edgy." But the argument that political liberalism leads to totalitarianism has not only been made decades before Goldberg was born, but has been made repeatedly, more distinctly, and far better than he could ever dream. Since Goldberg is a figure in the contemporary conservative movement with obvious intellectual pretensions, I have to assume that he is familiar with the basic contours and genealogy of the movement that has benefited his career. But to regard Liberal Fascism with even the most basic familiarity of the conservative intellectual movement is to witness old arguments resurrected in an increasingly less convincing fashion. I won't attempt to date the first conservative critique of big government liberalism, but surely a few crucial names in the postwar (and earlier) come up: Albert Jay Nock, James Burnham, Richard Weaver, and of course, Friedrich Hayek. These thinkers contemplated the rise of the welfare state at the cost of the individual. Decreasing autonomy and control over one's life--not to mention the dehumanization--coming at the expense of bureaucracies deciding how societies should organize themselves. And certainly in the context of the Second World War, one could hardly dismiss such criticisms. The United States witnessed a dramatic rise in the ubiquity, power and influence of the federal government between the dawn of the 20th century and the end of WWII. Paramount on the minds of these thinkers was whether the centralized state would continue after the war effort had wound down. Hayek in particular articulated the economic costs of this centralization, and made the most explicit link between economic freedom and political freedom. Indeed, while Hayek considered himself a classical liberal rather than a "libertarian," he nevertheless distinguished himself from "conservatism," which he considered so fundamentally opposed to change that its intransigence endeared it more to the socialists than to the liberals.

The Road to Serfdom, Hayek's most famous work, made the observation that the collectivism of Stalin's regime and Hitler's were flip sides of the same coin. Later political analysts, notably Hannah Arendt and George Orwell, would note the basic similarities between National Socialism and Stalinism. The difference lay only in their official propaganda. So whereas the fascism of the Nazis emphasized ultra-nationalist, authoritarian father/hero worship--with the unmistakable stench of racial superiority pervading the entire regime--the Soviets only varied in who their false idols were. Lenin lay in state in Kremlin for decades while statuary, art and literature (propaganda) romanticizing Stalin outpaced the deceased Bolshevik founder. Purity became just as obsessive, while a class of people--the proletariat--were elevated above all else and a pagan religion--Marxism--excommunicated traditional religious authority, often violently. Antisemitism was rife after the Bolshevik revolution as all potential contenders--or threats--to power were literally purged. Political enemies of both the Nazis and Soviets were exterminated, and both were guilty of nothing. The horror of these two regimes, where the state was omnipresent and supreme, necessitated a new label. It wasn't merely Nazism or fascism or socialism or Stalinism--it was totalitarianism. And all the flavors were just that--flavors. The only meaningful difference, if meaningful at all, was that one was tinged with the political right, and the other was tinged with the political left. But both were far from the liberalism or conservatism that preceded them.

Liberal Fascism ignores everything I have just laid out. Goldberg chooses a couple regimes, the Nazis and the Italian fascists, finds a few substantive and many superficial similarities, and draws a broad conclusion--fascism originated from ideas on the political left. Except that he is really talking about the broader phenomenon of totalitarianism. The only reason totalitarianism and fascism are both antithetical to liberalism is because they are the same phenomenon, keeping in mind that fascism is just a totalitarian style, just as Stalinism was. But these points have all been made before. Goldberg's argument is not novel, it is incomplete. It chooses bits of historical fact that support his weak thesis and ignores everything else. It is quite literally not a work of history, it is a compendium of events which form a pattern that only Goldberg can see. Goldberg has been mocked for once uttering that Liberal Fascism is "a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care." The mockery is warranted. Goldberg's argument is not serious, it is not thoughtful, and most of all, it has been made with greater detail and care than his book could ever hope to achieve. For him to suggest otherwise can only suggest unbelievable ego or breathtaking ignorance.

Postscript

In the end, the worst thing about Liberal Fascism is not that it offends, but that it does not understand what contemporary liberalism is all about. Nor does Goldberg make any attempt to do so. The draconian measures taken by Wilson during WWI, for instance, are cited by Goldberg as an example of the essentially authoritarian--and hence, fascist--nature of liberalism. Why, then, are such incidents reported by men of the left like Howard Zinn? Zinn's antipathy to authoritarianism is palpable, and yet he's an old-school communist (i.e. a collectivist fascist, by Goldberg's criteria). Goldberg can't account for anecdotes like this because he is not engaged in serious historical inquiry. He just wants examples that support his thesis--but not too much! After all, he doesn't want anyone accusing him of accusing liberals of being Nazis! Wherever would they get that idea?

So not only do I write all this to preserve the integrity of terms like fascism, but also to preserve the integrity of liberalism. In the 75 years since Roosevelt co-opted the term to describe his new political coalition, liberalism has been under assault from opponents of modernity, and opponents of the centralized state. The question regarding the latter is whether our constitutional arrangements and basic American political conceptions are powerful enough to resist the totalitarian temptation. I believe that they are. But the threat always looms. That threat is illiberalism, and illiberalism has manifested itself most dangerously as fascism. Liberals like Orwell--who were far closer to socialism than any relevant liberal in America today--were willing to fight and die for what they believed was a liberal order; they fought specifically against fascists. These days, there really aren't any fascists around who pose a great threat to us. It's true that the authoritarian tendencies of the Bush administration suggest a lawlessness whose next stop is fascism but we're hardly there yet--we're not even close in my opinion. And despite the specific abuses of civil liberties and all of the general abuses since the advent of the "war on terror," Bush will not be president after January 2009. If we were truly living under a fascist regime, we wouldn't even have elections anymore.

Yet the term "fascism" has been abused for so long that some effort must be made to rescue it from the relativist ghetto it now inhabits. Jonah Goldberg imagines that he is doing just this, but as I've demonstrated above, he's only done it to score points for his team. Perhaps it is because he senses that his own political movement--which is authoritarian but hardly fascist--is entering a long twilight. Perhaps it is because he cynically wants to cash in one last time before the mockery becomes all consuming. Perhaps he sincerely wants to defend conservatives from the verbal assaults of ignorant leftists. Who knows. But if Goldberg was serious about telling the truth about fascism, he wouldn't have written Liberal Fascism--he would have argued against it.


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without having read it myself cover to cover

I stopped there.

Let us know what you think when you've read the book.

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Why would one waste one's time reading a book written by a polemicist and whose oxymoronic title announces its tendentious nature at the outset?  I, for one, am not paid to be Goldberg's "dissertation" advisor.

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Why would I waste my time reading 3000 words on said book by someone who hasn't read it? A book worth ignoring is worth ignoring in 25 words or less. A book worth writing this much about must be worth engaging seriously on some level-- and engaging it at this length in self-proclaimed ignorance is a profoundly pointless exercise.

(That took 56 words. My apologies.)

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I stopped there.

I bet you did read every word but maybe you really did just count them without allowing yourself a chance to judge their merit? In that case you missed what I would call a fair review of the literature and a reasoned opinion of the merit of Goldberg’s book.

Let us know what you think when you've read the book.

Come back with a legitimate comment on this post when you can admit having read it.

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Come back with a legitimate comment on this post when you can admit having read it.

So you concede my point, in other words-- that "a reasoned opinion of the merit of" anything is by definition impossible when you admit to not having read it.

At best one can make a provisional argument, along the lines of, "I really don't need to see Paris Hilton's new movie to know that it's a piece of crap." (Which is what I did.) But you usually don't follow that by writing a full review of the movie you haven't seen. (Which is why I didn't.)

I do salute Morte for saying that the title was tongue in cheek.

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After reading just two pages of Jonah's diatribe, located here, I passed on plunking down any of my hard earned dinero. Sheesh, come on. The juvenile cover alone is enough to make a sentient being stick their finger down their throat. It's bad enough I have to see his byline in the opinion pages of our local cat box liner. I know where I'd like to see Goldberg stuff his noggin. It'd be more interesting watching him walk around on his elbows than reading that tripe.

~OGD~

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Just think of all the energy people seem to be putting into generating this sort of content-free insult-review. Or maybe there's a computer program that generates them ("Insult his mother [Yes} [No] Compare waste of paper to...") Anyway, I don't believe that you actually read two pages, since all you comment on is the cover. You only harm your own cause with such obvious efforts (or non-efforts).

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Many thinking people just take their cue from the title and decide not to waste their time. John, and especially Mort, went above and beyond the call of duty to inform or entertain us.


"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

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Anybody know where the title actually comes from? Or who?

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Excuse me?

. . . think of all the energy people seem to be putting into generating this sort of content-free insult-review.

I don't recall receiving a paycheck from you. Is it in the mail? Point: I don't work for you, So I'm not wasting your time, but you seem to be. In my job, I specifically get paid to waste my time. Geez, we can play this game all week long.

And as to this BS:

You only harm your own cause . . .

And what pray tell is my cause? If I needed someone to to be judgmental I'd attend the nearest Baptist church. There's plenty of '...do do this, don't do that' people in those congregations.

BTW -- I did read the two pages at the link I provided. What? I'm a liar now? How about allowing the reader to make up there own mind as to whether or not my own observation is correct that Jonah's crapola is little little more than tripe?

Now I think I'll go waste my time watching some paint dry. Is that OK?

~OGD~

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We do have a right to tell you what you should and shouldn't comment on, because you're destroying the planet using all that energy to comment on this post.

Think of the children!

Sincerely,

The Government Office of Blog Comment Supervision For The Good of All

Al Gore, director

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As they say in the US Navy I come from, take a long stroll off a short plank.

~OGD~

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And then Goldberg proceeds to define everything that he himself considers undesirable as "fascist." This is just about everything even remotely and vaguely thought of as "liberal": vegetarianism, Social Security, multiculturalism, the "war on poverty," "the politics of meaning."

If Doughypants had not injected his own meanings into the word fascism, the title of the book would had to have been "Conservative Movement Fascism: The Not-So Secret History of the American Right From Reagan to Dubya."

This seems to be a case where the "intelligence and facts" were fixed around the title. Since the book contained little of either intelligence or facts, the title was easier to shift around as needed. (See The Downing Street Memos for more on the techniques involved.)


"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

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Confession.  I didn't read your whole post.  I only scanned it but it seems you buried your best point, maybe your thesis?, too deep.

It wasn't merely Nazism or fascism or socialism or Stalinism--it was totalitarianism. And all the flavors were just that--flavors. The only meaningful difference, if meaningful at all, was that one was tinged with the political right, and the other was tinged with the political left.

My strongest political leaning is anti-authoritarian so greetings, fellow traveler.  I hope you are right that we aren't fascist yet but I won't really breathe easy about that until January 20, 2009.

Anti-authoritarian posts are always welcome.

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The Salon interview includes a paragraph explaining how Goldberg is using the term fascism:

So anyway, I'm sorry -- my definition of fascism I get in large chunks from Eric Voegelin, the political philosopher. He wrote this book "The Political Religions," and I see fascism as a political religion. That doesn't mean I think there's some book, like a bible, that if you read it you will become a convert to this political religion. Rather I think it is a religious impulse that resides in all of us -- left, right, black, white, tall, short -- to seek unity in all things, to believe that we need to all work together to go past any of our disagreements and that the state needs to be, almost simply as a pragmatic matter, the pace-setter, the enforcer of this cult of unity. That is what I believe fascism is.

For Goldberg to cite Voegelin as his mentor is surprising. First of all, Goldberg is using as a general principle what Voegelin treated as a particular example. For some theories, such a substitution would not change the essential idea being expressed. Even a small dip into the pages of Eric Voegelin will demonstrate that his thinking does not permit the reader to take such liberties.

Vogelin's ideas about politics are not built upon the idea of the state, per se, but on a theory of consciousness. (I offer this link because it was the only place I could find a substantial sample of his work discussing the subject on the internet).

His theory provides a groundwork to talk about how the formation of symbols occur in the ordering of society. Without clearly delineating his starting point, his analysis could be presented as a part of Hegel's "cunning of Reason" as easily as it could be sold as a Structuralist attempt to see events outside of their "narratives."

What is lacking in Goldberg's propositions about the ancestry of socialism is that he wants to use the idea as a drive "to seek unity in all things." Compare this sort of thing with a student of Vogelin who is trying to figure out what happened and how things could have been different.

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Unfortunate that someone as trivial as Goldberg is discussed, even if we have to accept that some will read him.

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Maybe we can burn his book!

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Looks like Goldberg anticipated this thread. From Salon on Friday:

SALON: How do you feel about the reaction to your book so far, especially from the liberal blogosphere?

GOLDBERG: I think most of them should be ashamed. I think it's been fairly idiotic; you look at -- Who's that weirdo, the guy with the "Too Hot for TNR" blog? Spencer Ackerman. That's absurd, and it's childish. Type my name into Daily Kos. As hilarious as some people might think it is to call me a "Doughy Pantload," at some point if that is the crux of your objection to a 500-page book that Tom Wolfe says is the best and most important revisionist history in a very long time, that says a lot more about those people than it does about me. I would love to see some serious liberals take on the book in a serious way, I really would. I am sure I get things wrong, I know there are counter-arguments to be had, I've heard some of them from very sharp conservatives that I admire, but so far the response from the left-wing blogs I just ignore, because it's childish ... All I would really want is an interesting conversation. I don't expect everyone to automatically agree with me, I know that the book is controversial.

SALON: And you say you're not calling liberals Nazis, but...

GOLDBERG: I must say it 25 times in the book.

SALON: Yeah. But the cover has the smiley face with the Hitler mustache. Does that undermine that message and lead to some of these reactions?

GOLDBERG: Well, I'm perfectly glad to concede that people who do judge books by their covers or think it's more important to read a title rather than read a book will be confused and jump to conclusions. But these are people that I don't generally respect. The cover was Random House's invention, and I'm still sort of ambivalent about it, but you make covers to sell books, you make titles to sell books, even though my title comes from a speech by H.G. Wells ... The cover, the smiley face with the mustache, is a play on something I explain on basically Page One of the book, and it's a reference to what George Carlin and Bill Maher call smiley-face fascism. And if you can't get past the cover and the title, then you're not a serious book reader and you're not really a serious person.

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How about you, Mgmax?

Do you have any arguments or counter arguments to offer us concerning Goldberg's thesis or morte's response to it?

It is all very well to upbraid others for not putting much effort in their criticism but you haven't actually bothered to comment upon the actual subject of the conversation yet.

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Well, strictly speaking there's no reason not to comment on the commentary; what drew me is the very fact that the reaction has been much as Golldberg has said-- underinformed and waaaaay overheated.

I haven't read the book; I've read half a dozen articles relating to it. I think Goldberg is obviously right in certain ways. If we posit that modern politics is not a right-left spectrum but a four-way grid-- right vs. left on one axis, statist vs. individualist on the other-- then right statists and left statists obviously have far more in common with each other than they are opposites of each other. Reminding us of the Hayekian point (or the James Burnhamian point, or whomever) that the mid-20th century was the high point of the global cult of the expert central planner is a worthwhile effort in understanding how that attitude persists today (and is even resurgent at the moment). Finding harsh utilitarianism about human lives in a feminist heroine like Sanger or incipient fascism in the forgotten, but once hugely important, Col. Hugh Johnson (administrator of FDR's NRA) brings sides of history back that ought not to have been forgotten.

If, in the process, it adds some rigor to the use of the term "fascist"-- which, like Orwellian, is hurled far too casually-- that will be all to the good. It seems to me that Goldberg is rightly making it harder to understand why the activities of Mussolini's socialist, statist, nationalist project should be so persistently identified with the American right, which is less socialist than the other side, no more statist (neither is particularly individualist at the moment), and arguably less nationalist (Tom Tancredo didn;t get far with that, and you're at least as likely to hear China and India-outsourcing bashing from the Dems). If we reach a point where we understand that neither side is clearly identifiable with European midcentury fascism, any more than they are with either Gladstone's liberals or Disraeli's Tories, but both have some roots in similar attitudes of the early 20th century, it will have cleared the air of one of the laziest, yet most persistent, substitutes for intelligent analysis and comment wielded by left against right.

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And if you put the level of moral values to be agreed upon on the -y axis and the level of willingness to enforce those values with state power on the -x axis, you'll find that liberals are not "statists" and thus, not fascists.

Read any thread of TPMCafe-ers responding to Etzioni ("communitarianism") to learn how un-statist the Left is, today. 

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This issue of "identification with mid century fascism" may not permit using the term fascism with rigor.

If you want rigor, read The Birth of Fascist Ideology by Zeev Sternhell It is a complete exposition of Fascist socialism and its relationship to the Marxist flavor of the same.

The environmental agenda of the Nazi's has been discussed by other people than Goldberg

Neither of these examples are last words on the issues but they both try to explain what happened in terms of what and who were doing things that created the events that occurred.

If the discussion is going to be about the ancestry of present political formations, then analytic rigor requires examining the presuppositions underlying any claim that one group was brought into existence by another. Any story told along these lines is always simultaneously an idea of historical process as such. My earlier post about Eric Voegelin was offered as an example of a thinker who made an effort to be rigorous in this regard.

This matter of identification is a brother from another mother. Considering its socialist or “central planning” past does not negate the generally accepted usage of “fascism” to distinguish a certain kind of elitism. Capitalism creates a class of elites and a corporate network of power. The Italian and German fascists formed an elite group within this elite and did so on a basis “beyond” the celebration of private property and free markets. It would be wrong to identify all “right wing” politics as fascism because this important distinction would disappear.

The “left wing” has its own legacy of forming elite groups within a group of elites and the uses of referring to Fabians, Trotskyites or Stalinists to make a distinction becomes useless if any is to become the identity for all.

If true conservatives are to be cast as Burkes who reject all revolutions of social order as a violation of what is most worthy, then we will have to label figures like Krupp">Krupp">http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=OeuU9oAV5W8C&oi=fnd&pg=PP3&dq=Krupp,+German+industrialist+&ots=vzE1DtAfgT&sig=P0GwfZ9uaoDhxvwJEAjaAGg8SFM#PPP1,M1”>Krupp as leftists who chose to dress sharply.

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