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Cutting funding for the war and impeachment


Edit: this post intends to focus on Congress blocking/refusing to pass an appropriations bill. This post is not intended to cover circumstances where Congress explicitly passes legislation designed to de-escalate the conflict by withholding funding in the absence of troop draw-down. Apologies for the confusion (and thanks to Tom Wright for catching that)

There was an interesting post on DKos just yesterday about de-funding the Iraq war. The diarist had found and read a long article titled "Funding 'Non-Traditional' Military Operations: The Alluring Myth of a Presidential Power of the Purse". The author was Col. Richard Rosen, who was once the Deputy Legal Advisor to the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs as well as heading up the Army's JAG school. Big time credentials, and the title sounds appealing. "Myth"? Was Dennis Kucinich right? Could the Dems simply de-fund the war?

Unfortunately, not really. Kinda, but not really.

The paper finds that

the article considers the President's options when no statutory funding authority exists to sustain an operation and concludes that his choices are four-fold: (1) the President can seek Congressional sanction for the operation; (2) the President can abandon the operation; (3) the President can direct the use of a reimbursable funding mechanism, or; (4) if national security interests are sufficiently critical, the President can spend the money in the absence of an appropriation and hope either that Congress ratifies the action or that he has adequate capital to withstand the resulting political maelstrom.

Now, to clarify:

f a situation is sufficiently grave and an operation is essential to national security, the President has the raw, physical power -- but not the legal authority -- to spend public funds without congressional approval, after which he or she can either seek congressional approbation or attempt to weather the resulting political storm.

My bold, obviously.

So here's the situation. If we defunded the war, that could cause the Pres to stop spending on it and start an immediate draw-downn. Indeed, in theory, de-funding should end the war. However, that doesn't necessarily have to happen. Given Bush's track record, I'd argue its extremely unlikely to happen. Instead, he'd invoke his unitary executive BS, and exercise his physical power over the Treasury, and the war would continue on. Perhaps funded more on the cheap, but that would be a bad thing, no? If the Pres got stingy and then blamed it on the Dems, that could get real ugly.

On the other hand, it would also present the most clear rationale for impeachment if we ever did reach that point. But is impeachment possible? I literally don't know. What are the procedural hurdles? What are the votes needed? Do the Dems have them?--I'm unclear on how many votes they have in the Senate (isn't one Dem currently in the hospital and not serving? What's the deal with that?). If we could safely assume that not a single Republican Senator nor Joe Lieberman would vote to impeach, would the Dems have enough?

And how long does this is all take? If the Congress simply did not approve anymore funding for the war from here on out, when would it run out of money and the Pres run into clearly un-Constitutional waters? How long from that point would it take to impeach and remove him? And beyond that, how long from then would it take to impeach and remove Cheney?

This is the worst-case scenario, IMO. What it would take to end the war before a Dem President is sworn in could be really ugly. If Bush starts running the war illegally, but on the cheap, and then uses the late military pay checks and such as a political club to hit the Dems while they hold hearings on impeachment...that could be bad for the troops, for Iraq, and for the Dems. That's real risky.

But it's that or continue to work on getting 67 total votes for a withdrawal bill.

If we're gonna throw this stuff around, like Kucinich did last night, lets not oversimplify the issue and muddy the waters. Who's interests are really served by creating a lot of false expectations of Congress, if this simply isn't feasible?

Oh yeah, also, the article includes and the Kos diarist helpfully excerpts multiple historical precedents for this type of spending:

Who did it? George Washington, in suppressing the Whiskey Rebellion. Thomas Jefferson in 1807, in responding to the capture of the American frigate Chesapeake by the British warship H.M.S. Leopard. Abraham Lincoln, at the outbreak of the Civil War. Calvin Coolidge in 1926, to provide relief from a hurricane to farmers in Florida. None claimed the expenditures were authorized in any way, shape or form. But all made them, on their own orders, with the Treasury's compliance.

It's these actions that led Col. Rosen to include that fourth option among the president's choices in the face of a refusal by Congress to fund his operations. There's more at work here than legality. There are issues of physical control.

Thoughts? Any insight into impeachment proceedings?


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Ok, so wikipedia says that you need only a simple majority in the House but

In order to convict the accused, a two-thirds majority of the senators present is required. Conviction automatically removes the defendant from office. Following conviction, the Senate may vote to further punish the individual by barring them from holding future federal office (either elected or appointed).

John Roberts would preside over the ruling. That means that, basically, in order for de-funding to work, we'd have to rely on getting 15-18 Repubs to vote to remove Bush from office. Of course, since they would, at least in theory, tacitly approve his emergency spending, that seems unrealistic. And as such, so does de-funding, no?

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In America, we are judged according to the results of our actions. It's part of what we are. But in other cultures, most notably where Buddhism is practiced, "right behavior" is its own justification.

If a person is overweight and wants to shape up, s/he reduces food intake and/or gets more exercise. This does not guarantee that the weight will come off, but the person may justifiably feel that s/he is acting virtuously. Right behavior builds positive karma whether weight falls, rises, or remains the same.

By defunding the war, Congresspeople would be doing the thing that will absolve them of responsibility for the atrocity that is American occupation of Iraq. Congresspeople would be building karma for themselves and for our country. They would be forcing evil people in the White House to assume complete responsibility for their evil. They would be doing the right thing.

Feel free to ridicule this thesis. All the political and pragmatic arguments against it are true. They are also irrelevant. A good person is one who does good. A bad person is one who, given the opportunity to do otherwise, creates, supports, or permits wrongness.

The Democrats should defund the occupation of Iraq whether or not Mr. Bush will compound his evil by further abusing the Constitution.

They should also impeach and do their best to convict the impeachment, but that's a topic for another time.

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Eh...I agree and disagree about the notion of absolution of guilt issue. Basically, if it wasn't for the fact that what happens here directly effects what happens to soldiers over there, I might be more inclined to believe that. But, for example, after years of pleading, the military is finally getting more mine-resistant vehicles. If we cut funding, is that guaranteed anymore? Or is that expenditure put on hold while Bush tries to run the war on the cheap, so as to extend the length of its legality?

It also speaks to a level of hypocrisy of some on the far left. If you concede that de-funding the war would not necessarily lead to an end to the war, I don't understand how that could be anything but a symbolic gesture. And yet, at the same time, criticism of Congress comes precisely because people feel ridicule their symbolic gestures in favor of real action.

I'm all for ending the war, but the if the political reality is that the Democrats simply do not have the votes to do that, we ought to recognize that.

What's more, I do not see why the symbols of our outrage need to potentially endanger military lives. There is no guarantee that it would, granted. Bush might just go on spending however he damn pleases. But there's certainly a chance that not only would he cheapen out, but he'd do so at least in part precisely to kill the Dems.

It seems like an impotent act that's also political suicide. What's the wisdom in that? Where's the good karma in delaying or denying soldiers their pay checks, their supplies, etc, to make a political statement?

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I propose a simple syllogism:

  • A good person refuses to abet or enable evil.
  • Providing funds is an abetment of the occupation.
  • The occupation of Iraq was born in evil, commenced in evil, and continues in evil.

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Therefore, a good Congressperson will refuse to fund the occupation. Q.E.D.

If you care to dispute my logic, please feel free to have at it; but to my way of thinking, talk of whether the war will end, the political consequences, late pay days, and Mr. Bush's likely (or certain) reaction are quite beside the point.

No Congressperson can directly control Dubya's behavior. Mr. Bush must create his own karma, and so must each Congressperson.

Congress should remove funding for the occupation.

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Vietnam was defunded.

It's important to note that if Congress passes a law and the President violates it, he tests the command structure by asking the military to break a law. This was only possible in Iran-Contra because it was covert. I can't see Bush violating direct legislation against Iraq, but I'm consistently amazed at the brazenness of this bunch.

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I can't see Bush violating direct legislation either, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the absence of direct legislation. In a legislative vacuum, where withdrawal or an end to the war haven't been mandated but no more money has been appropriated, I have no doubt what Bush would do: cite the historical precedents, point out that he has control the Treasury, and continue on with his war-mongering.

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Agreed, but you were using the term "de-funding" which implied action. Failure to pass funding is different.

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Ah...you're right. My mistake. Sloppy on my part.

Nice catch

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