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Half way through Family of Secrets


I offered to host a discussion of Russ Baker's Family of Secrets when he threw down the challenge to us readers to actually read his book before commenting. Today is the day I said I would try to hold this discussion but I am only half-way through and know that other people who expressed an interest are just beginning to read it. I want to get feedback for when a better date would be while giving some reactions to what I have read so far.

The book attempts to put at least a hundred years of the immediate past into the context of the rise of a crime family flourishing in the light and shadows of established power. With such a goal, the book is long but also short since it draws from a massive array of other books and resources. Some of the information brought forward in the footnotes is impossible to verify independently. Other stuff can be easily found on the web. Their is a huge middle ground between those extremes. Each of the books cited have their own circle of promoters and critics (along with a ton of their own footnotes). With the quantity of data to digest, you almost have to be Russ Baker to read this book. On some level, I think that is his ultimate point.

When describing the network of interrelated people in the story, an expression Russ Baker often employs is "at minimum." On page 246, he says "At minimum, it certainly is a small world." Before reading this, I didn't realize how small that world was. And at minimum, Mr. Baker has assembled enough reasons to be doubtful of previous narratives even if his story does not prove guilt. I was trying to make a flow chart that mirrored his description of interrelated people but became overwhelmed by the loops.

I have been tracking the criticism to this book. The criticism falls into two categories, (definitely not mutually exclusive categories). The first category challenges stories told in the book (and the books referred to by the book). The second dismisses the discussion itself as paranoia. Since it is too early to address the book as a whole, I would like to start a discussion about what people thought about conspiracy theories.    

One critic who drove over this book on the way to the beach was Tim Rutten :
One of the impressive things about paranoid literature is the contrast between its fantasied conclusions and the almost touching concern with factuality it invariably shows" is a characterization of Hofstadter's that might have been tailored to fit Baker's book. "It produces heroic strivings for evidence to prove that the unbelievable is the only thing that can be believed. Of course, there are highbrow, lowbrow, and middlebrow paranoids, as there are likely to be in any political tendency . . . [that] all but obsessively accumulate 'evidence.' . . . The higher paranoid scholarship is nothing if not coherent -- in fact, the paranoid mind is far more coherent than the real world.
I have seen a lot of instances where the "paranoid style" replaced another kind of thinking. But if enough narratives come together to show that the previously received consensus is wrong, when does the thinking stop being paranoid?

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But if enough narratives come together to show that the previously received consensus is wrong, when does the thinking stop being paranoid?

When? When the truth is outed as publicly as Valerie Plame, that's when.

I have the book, I'm starting it, and will try to catch up with you as quickly as I can, while still managing to digest it. It's a big-ass book. But it's one I am definitely reading.

Thank you, moat, for turning me onto it.

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Moat, this sounds like a complicated book just to read, let alone comprehend. I confess, I didn't follow the discussion of the book in the Cafe. Thanks for giving us your impressions!

(I received my brand spanking new copy of 'One Straw Revolution' on Thurs. Haven't got past the introductions yet. ;o) Busy time of year.)

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Since criminal law deals with the intentions of the criminal, it must at least be a matter "correspondence" in so far as judgment requires deciding if an act of will has objectively occurred or not. In Adolf Reinach's discussion of causality in criminal law, looking for this correspondence involves looking for indications that probable outcomes for doing x would lead to y:

We have until now presupposed that we can determine the likelihood of the occurrence of an outcome only through objective reasoning. We can weigh the facts which suggest the occurrence of the outcome against the facts which deny it. But this is not the only way in which a judgment of the likelihood of an outcome can be established. The objective judgment can be replaced by a subjectively conditioned judgment. There is within us an inclination to believe, on the one hand, in the occurrence of the accustomed and known and, on the other hand, in the new, strange and wonderful. We are inclined to hold the occurrence of what we wish or fear for as a certainty. Such a subjective inclination to believe in the certainty of something can turn what objectively seemed as impossible into something possible; it can turn our awareness of the probability of something into an awareness of the improbability of something and vice versa.

From this point of view, the distinction between "objective" and "subjective" indicates that paranoia and it's opposite are essential categories for proving criminal acts.

In the context of Baker suggesting that certain people willed for certain outcomes, both of these categories come into play constantly. Since Baker often can't be sure which is happening when, the cumulative effect of the all interactions he describes is not a coherent argument that an act (or many acts)of will correspond to what really occurred. What the argument does achieve is show how the accepted explanations are no better than his.

Take the account of de Mohrenschildt committing suicide when he was in the midst of answering questions about his involvement with Oswald. Baker can't prove the model he has crafted to explain the death. But any cop has to start building a model when they ask questions like:
Who benefited from this death? Who were his associates? If he was murdered, what was the M.O.?

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I don't know, this is now pushing me to think about solipsism. If Baker builds his coherent story that is "just as good" as the accepted story, then he offers that as an alternative reality that he endorses. Does he believe in the existence of other minds?

Does he think that his personal account be superior to the account given by numerous other individuals, who are dupes, fools, or part of a conspiracy? Or perhaps, merely figments?

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I see your point. If the account is completely self-sufficient, then the story is what Hofstadter calls paranoid literature. And solipsism would be one way to express that idea.

But I was trying to say that Baker brings up a lot of narratives that don't meld together into an integrated description of a crime (or crimes). He often points out conflicting possible motivations for an act.
Baker's account cannot replace every other account because it is not comprehensively coherent and he admits this is the case. But he provides enough evidence to show that much of what is commonly understood to have happened is an incomplete account replete with conflicts of interest. His model puts all those conflicts of interest in the worst possible light. Cops operate in that fashion; imagining the crime while being very curious about the associates of the suspect.
I guess the distance between curiosity and paranoid certainty is what at question here.


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3:00. geeez just tell me. Okay.

"With such a goal, the book is long but also short since it draws from a massive array of other books and resources"

Well I have read this three times. I must come back again Moat. Families are strange. A strange social machine. I mean Seneca and Plutarch spend a lot of time on familia. Here I stop now so I can get to your links.

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After reading the book, I do not necessarily draw the same conclusions as Russ Baker does in his book, but I can say that what makes much of it believable to me is the history of intelligence operators who have sponsored these kinds of plots without any regard at all to the social consequences of their acts.

It reminded me of the intelligence operators in Russia during WW I and the machinations of these operators that destroyed Russia and brought about one of the most vicious authoritarion states in history.

One thing that Baker does do well in this book is expose the incestuous relationship between business and government and how it is destroying this nation.

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Well said, BevD.


What Nixon called the "the Bay of Pigs thing" becomes the ultimate description of a legacy of failure. Baker does a good job of showing how that legacy is unbroken since at least the fifties.
Baker also does a good job of putting to rest the notion that Poppy was somehow a paleo-conservative usurped by a neo-conservative cabal in his administration.

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If I were Baker's editor I would have deleted the discussion of Poppy's WWII crash.

By introducing, sort of, the suggestion that Poppy may have acted dishonorably in this non-related situation , Baker doesn't add to the case he is making with respect to Poppy/CIA/JFK et al but instead provides an opening for critics who attack his objectivity.

I suppose it might fall under the umbrella
of the Family of Secrets title but not all secrets are created equal.

Only at page 164 so perhaps it's too soon for me to utter.


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Agreed.

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