Personal Attacks
Personal attacks are sometimes OK on TPM. Yes, or No. Why?
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They're great and often called for. I usually try to confine my own as a response to the comment or post I was offended by. Posting personal attacks as a blog, is nothing more than an attempt to defer dealing with the attack by garnering whatever support of the mob, you can muster. So it goes...
February 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
So opined by one of the masters of personal attacks, and troll butt sniffers, here.
February 2, 2009 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're funnee.
February 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you're not.
February 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am too.
February 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are too.
February 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dee too.
February 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
*smile*
February 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
My Daddy always said:
When you wrestle with a pig, you both get muddy, but the pig enjoys it.
Your response is perfect for your avatar.
That's why I'm choosing not to wrestle with the pig.
February 3, 2009 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like the pigs enjoyed your daddy's company... Is that what happened to you?
February 3, 2009 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
No moron. My father went to college so I didn't have to write a long blog to justify how my father was somehow noble when he was stupid and scared of schooling.
You obviously have your father's DNA of inferiority complex.
February 3, 2009 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are a fool. And ignorant too. Probably stoopid.
February 3, 2009 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Note the title of this blog, bobo.
February 3, 2009 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rastle, rastle... (thought he said he wasn't gonna wrassel me?) Dadee... Noooo...
February 3, 2009 6:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like the pigs enjoyed your daddy's company... Is that what happened to you? Or more to the point, your daddy enjoyed the company of pigs.
February 3, 2009 3:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, when you get right down to it, you're just silly as hell.
February 3, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT/Yikes, did your father go to college before you were on food stamps and poor? Did you child get hit by a drunk driver before or after you proclaimed that you had no children and those who do procreate are selfish?
Talk about a fraud!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/real-fake-and-both.php#comment-2976641
Geez, what a hypocritical, attention-seeking asshat.
February 3, 2009 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
So the above comment should clearly demonstrate that personal attacks can be useful, but only when dealing with a true asshat that has earned it.
February 3, 2009 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo, djamo.
Hard to disguise an ego that big, isn't it?
February 3, 2009 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me but WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU???
So, now I'm Clearthinker? I thought I was renaye or SRY or Jason or the Elite Science Guy???
I guess I'm whoever you have issues with.
And you make fun of my dead kid? You fucking soulless fuck. Go to hell!!!
February 3, 2009 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, I always thought you were ClearThinker as soon as you appeared gunning for fights with folks, complaining about "cliquishness" on an "Internet board" you just started posting on. Nice attempt at deflection by using unCT-ish language, but you've been so outed. Why can't you just slink off in shame? You are not as clever as you think you are. Can you retire this character? In your own words above, I think you can see why some people find it offensive.
February 3, 2009 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! The tin foil hat disease is starting to spread.
February 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jason, I am so not the tin foil hat type. And I defend the rights of folks I disagree with to make their voices heard - who wants to talk to folks that think the exact way you do? But Yikes is CT. From the Howard Zinn titles in ALL CAPS, to Hitler's a vegetarian and likes children, to his obsession with the ruling class on TPM, to gunning for fight with his mortal enemy members of the TPM "ruling class", to whining about different rules for different posters, to the pedantic lecturing tone. I'm just surprised he was able to restrain himself from a peak oil or NASA fight. Whatevs. I'm cursed with a good memory (which is one of the reasons I'm probably still single). I could go through and google and find posts that match CTisms with YIKESisms! But it's not worth the time or effort.
I don't care what avatars people post under, but when he picks on Migelito for a personal post about his dad (which is the classic CT trademark), it is just too hypocritical to let go. As he stated in his own words, identities that are out to con folks or use them as sport seem just meanspirited and wrong.
February 3, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still seems to be tin foil hat land. I don't mean to derogatory since I used to be a frequent visitor myself until very recently.
Occam's Razor applies in these types of scenarios for me. Never saw CT as being such a drama queen or such a nefarious individual. He is usually pretty quick to post whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants to without hiding behind elaborate pseudonyms.
The most simple explanation is that whatever coincidence might exist (we all by and large read the same books and publications) among posters, chances are they are just that - coincidences.
February 3, 2009 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Never saw CT as being such a drama queen or such a nefarious individual. He is usually pretty quick to post whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants to without hiding behind elaborate pseudonyms."
Jason, CT admitted here that he has been posting under 3 different usernames. Jest sayin'.
February 3, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
He admitted to being Pirate Peet, which is something altogether different and quite obviously a pseudonym or alternate personality for a regular.
Posting as a totally different person who is a newbie and has dramatically different ideas about things is a whole new level of duplicity that I don't buy. I don't think that anyone around here would have the time and/or inclination to do so.
You need to ask what is the upside for someone do that when sparring under one name can be more than frustrating (and challenging) enough.
February 3, 2009 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused Jason. I signed up at TPM as miguelitoh2o. It never occurred to me to have a "pseudonym or alternate personality for a regular". And what of his admission of another username he posts under, that is more popular? What's the function of that? So he can have the usual circle-jerk his comments often devolve into, without needing any of the rest of us to attain its' denouement? Are you saying that all the regulars here have pseudonyms they post under? There are really only 25 of us out here posting, but when you add in the 'alternate personalities' it gets up to 100-125 users? If I need three screen personas to get my point across, I guess this would be an echo chamber and that echo would be literally my own.
You said, "Posting as a totally different person who is a newbie and has dramatically different ideas about things is a whole new level of duplicity". Wasn't Pirate Peet a newbie at one time? Wasn't his other 'more popular' alias a newbie at one time?
You also say, "You need to ask what is the upside for someone do that when sparring under one name can be more than frustrating (and challenging) enough". I would say that CT's personality was unbearable for many here at TPM. A few of us took him on, (most of whom were singled out in Yikes' blogs and comments), a lot just backed away after seeing the emotional cost of engaging him in debate. In his case I can see a lot of upsides as posting as someone else. I expect his announcement of his retirement here at TPM the other day was just setting himself up for re-entry under some other username. I'll be waiting with baited breath...
February 3, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pirate Peet posted a bunch of limericks that could hardly be counted as some of circle jerk response.
If there is some proof that he was actually posting as two people with divergent opinions I might agree with you. As it is, CT's second handle seems more of a literary joke and something fun than some sort of subterfuge or way to get over.
I am not the paranoid type, but I have never seen CT as anything more than mildly obnoxious and opinionated. Like most of us around here.
February 3, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS: CT never backed down from any of you all who "took him on" over any number of "obnoxious" things he may have said. Just as I have never backed down when the Echo Chamber reared up to smack me down.
February 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read my comment again jason. I said a lot of users "just backed away after seeing the emotional cost of engaging him in debate". Nobody gets a scrappy 'streetfighter' like CT to back down. You do get to a point in debating him where the costs exceed the benefit.
February 3, 2009 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
No argument, but that hardly makes him duplicitous or willing to engage in antics that are in direct contrast to his apparent style of "fighting" for what he believes here at TPM.
February 3, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, despite my claims that I am done with this, I am rather enjoying it, so here are my $0.02.
I mostly agree with Jason on this. CT can be rather obnoxious, but the wars he started are a whole different ball game from what yikes has created. For as controversial as CT's posts often were, he still presented data (often cherry-picked, but data all the same), and if something in his argument was obviously wrong, he would acknowledge the error. Of course you aren't going to get him to "back down." He wouldn't have created the post if he thought he was completely wrong. Asking CT to back down on his own argument would be like trying to get miguelitoh2o to back down on his conviction that Yikes/Renay/CT are the same person. They may or may not be, but that matters less than the conviction that they are.
Anyway, the point is, completely different ball park. CT tends toward long-winded and often patronizing, Yikes is just shrill and self-defensive, without substance.
Yikes is like CT off his meds.
February 3, 2009 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beauty of it is, not only can you be anyone you want to be, you can be as many as you want to be!! Skies the limit, unlimited possibilities. Confusing, ain't it??!!
February 3, 2009 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
All right, once I posted as butte secks. But it was only for the purpose of getting a date. I get so lonely posting with only 2 comments here at a time.
And yes, my real name is Prince Charles IX.
There, I said it. And I am not ashamed.
I have big ears but a big heart.
February 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of like our new president! (Big ears and a big heart, that is.)
February 3, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You dumb idiot, dijamo!!! The pig went after my Dad. So I noticed that the last thing he posted was a blog on his Dad. I guess I hit the nail pretty hard on the head given the fact that the pig went schizo on us. Even Markg noticed it.
You are a goddamned hypocrite. Instead of seeing that the pig went after my Dad, you only saw what you wanted to see.
You are single because you are soulless and arrogant. You have a great memory??? Why don't you learn from your mistakes, IDIOT???
February 3, 2009 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
:o) Sorry, I don't have time for personality games CT/YIKES! That's my last response to you And I actually mean that, unlike you who issues a plaintive goodbye cruel world post but forgets to actually go away. You just can't quit TPM. Toodles asshat!
February 3, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dija, friend of mine. Let the man or thing go away without comment. Go forth and sound the alarm on the issues of the day. You are so good at it.
This thing is a waste of time!!!!
February 3, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, accuse them and hang them. You are pretty good at lynching.
I replied here.
February 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You fucking racist jerk.
You have been a pain in the ass from hour one. I am sorry you are so unhappy, but it isn't the problem of TPM. I've had it with you and your anger, and your vindictive nastiness.
How dare you speak that way here.
Freak.
February 3, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you had it with me, then SHUT UP!!!
February 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. I will report you, and continue to report you.
Chomsky, as well as Zinn, would be appalled. I think you really DON'T want people to read them. (Most here have, in case you haven't figured THAT out yet.) and let me tell you, your racist remarks and horrendous lack of social skills ought to land you in court, rather than banned for good. You haven't a clue that you are the antithesis to anything and everything they wrote.
TPM, I'd suggest an IP banning, so we don't need to suffer yet another iteration of this disturbed 'personality.'
Thanks.
February 3, 2009 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! You dumb cluck! I didn't say anyone should be lynched, I said I was being lynched!!!
Hey Bwakfast, do you know how my broker is?
Merrill LYNCH!!!
BWAK ACK ACK!!! Heee heee wooo wooo...
February 3, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
To whom did you reply?
Have you no social conscious whatsoever?
February 3, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't through away the tin foil hat. If you do, you are only left with being mentally retarded as an excuse. This is a damned if you defend yourself and damned if you don't.
You are supposedly a liberal right? You are WORSE THAN HUAC!!! As a member of a minority you should have more a perspective of tyranny of the majority, wouldn't you???
I answered you here.
And Jason, thanks for the wishes on the other blog.
February 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's a 'tin foil hat' type?
February 3, 2009 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a primer on tinfoil hat types:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/demosaur/2009/01/obama-grants-first-formal-inte.php#comment-3354002
February 3, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I get it. 'Tinfoil hat type' is a vernacular synonym for 'visionary thinker'. Thanks!!
February 3, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You were a model of restrain, Djamo! (I thought this dude was leaving because we are so terrible to him -- In my case, I "jumped all over him" by starting my response to his post with, "Um." -- Obviously the equivalent of an open switchblade!)
I called him out on his, "My son was killed by a drunken driver," only because it was presented as an aside; an argument against what could make him hate someone.
I doubt very seriously that anyone would use a trauma like that just to score points. Others then followed with examples of people who had used a similar situation to gain respect (?) sympathy (?) score points (?)
I did not see the post where he claimed to have no children and put down those who did. Now, Clearthinker does that, but I am not into the "You say you are Moe, but I know you are Curly" pile-on. Is that where you're getting that part?
February 3, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Called me out" on my son dieing? You sick FUCK!
February 3, 2009 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna take that as a yes.
February 3, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
YIKES, I thought you were leaving. Did you change your mind? Did you finally get enough attention to stay?
February 3, 2009 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually they are frowned upon. From the FAQs
February 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I tend to restrain my personal attacks to my friends.
February 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah. And my enemies.
February 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Though if I have a particularly good attack warmed up, I may just unload it on a total stranger.
February 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
And sometimes when I'm really in a mood, I just walk down to the cemetery and give those bastards an earful.
February 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And when they won't let me out, I just give myself a real tongue-lashing.
February 2, 2009 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fucking doctors with all their fancy rules. Can't wear my normal clothes... mustn't leave the grounds... take your pills & make sure to swallow. Well... screw them.
And Miguelito too. He reminds me of this one doctor. Clot.
February 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
See? Circle of life.
February 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only refer you to this in response. :-)
February 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Q, I told you before. The reply button is for replies to others. You keep replying to yourselves and during therapy, we discussed this problem on many occasions.
Now get your head out of the snow and go back inside and have some warm brandy and pet your dog--Pluto,
February 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Inspector Clouseau once said, "That is not, my dog."
Besides. The weasels kilt him.
February 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peegalito has it right.
There is also habitual personal attacking. This is usually, but not always, easy to spot when a poster starts a personal attack by saying, you have engaged in it.
While you are busy examining your words and motives they attack merrily on, confident that you haven't spotted that they are the ones that started it. (They tend to think you are stoopid.)
I hope the recent spate of this abnormal behavior has ceased. Some of the perpetrators were masters at it.
February 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
if you really want some fun go to one of those Pajama's Media sites that have just been dropped off Roger L. Simon's dole. The persecution complex is thick and a few gently jibes should have them flipping backward somersaults in outrage.
February 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mars Attacks!
Self-deprecation is a kind of personal attack which many find acceptable as long as it's not actually suicidal. Much of what might pass for attacks can be understood as projection and "the necessity of the strawman".
February 3, 2009 5:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personal attacks are what you get when the attacker is too lazy to think through the issues under discussion.
Good natured humor about the irrationality, hypocrisy or incongruence of the message (not the person) better fits the liberal posture of being a compassionate party.
February 3, 2009 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have to go with Mike on this one. All getting personal does is derail any sort of meaningful discussion we might have had on the subject. It is also a substitute for clear and reasonable thinking that respects differences rather than denigrates them.
February 3, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you and what have you done with Mike?
:-)
February 3, 2009 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personal attacks OK? You asshole! By posting on this topic, you are doing nothing but wasting space (and my valuable time), and by perpetuating your parasitic existence on this planet, you are wasting valuable oxygen. Eat shit and die!
And what the fuck kind of name is mjeffn? Let me break this down:
M = your MAMA
J = jerkoff
EFFN = no translation necessary!
Time for you to:
A. Piss up a fucking rope.
B. Shit and fall back in it.
C. Check your expiration date, son, 'cuz once the mind goes the end is surely near!
In closing, MacMuffin - kiss my tiny shiny green and warty skinny little froggy ass!!!
February 3, 2009 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
ps - aw, fuck it - I love you, man!
February 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I've fall'n and can't get up.
Well the truth is - the m is my first initial, jeff is my middle name, and n is the first letter of my last name, but I like your way lots more.
February 3, 2009 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Besides - I'm too busy piss'in into the wind trying to get these detached and skined frog legs to jump by hooking a battery and electrodes to the sciatic nerve.
February 3, 2009 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And furthermore, what the hell is a mjeffn? Mutt & Jeff'n? More like BUTT & Jeff'n!
Oh God, I kill myself. That was SO good. Not to be juvenile or anything, but....
BURRRRRRRRRRN!
* Doin' the burn dance at TPM since May 2008 *
;-) I enjoyed that.
February 3, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gawddamn Canucks, think you're so damned cool, with your puerile jokes and your Mounties and Celine Dion and Mike Myers and Moosehead beer : : :
February 3, 2009 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yer damned ice weasels!
February 3, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah tt, but what about their drugs. I mean talk about generic. And cheap too. I took a load down here and wow, what a reaction from my customers!!!
WHAT!!!!!
February 3, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Righto, Dick - they do grow some good weed up there!
February 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
homeaux
February 3, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
To quote Queen Elton - THE BITCH IS BACK!!!
Dear renaye - you may now lovingly fondle my amphibian hindquarters - oh yeah - don't stop!!!
February 3, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talking to you is like trying to have a conversation with the female vocalist in "Paradise by the Dashboard Light".
"There ain't no doubt about it, she was only seventeen and" ...........
February 3, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
quinn, have ever considered putting together a stand up routine? Much as I love you, your talent is wasted here!
February 3, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not wasted on me! (speak for yourself, my dear) :)
February 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess "wasted" was not the appropriate word...maybe "not reaching a large enough audience" would have been better...I feel honored that he chooses to entertain us, just wishin' more would get to see it! :-)
February 3, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor quinn, he's wasted, all right!
;-] ;-] ;-]
February 3, 2009 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, EVERYBODY NOW.......
"Come'on without;
Come'on within."
February 3, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You've not seen nuttin like the mighty QUINN."
February 3, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye, YIKES! For the third time!
February 3, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know mjeffn, sometimes I find it interesting to sit back, when these blogs are all over, look back over the landscape, and ask myself.... what in the FUCK just happened here?
Think I'll go make a sandwich. Better yet, gonna do a POST about sandwiches. See how much controversy I can generate with that.
Rock on, dude. ;-)
February 3, 2009 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grab some food, a drink, a comfortable place to sit, chill, talk about nothing and let the good times roll. Everyone needs it now and then, and ain't nobody can prove a thing.
Ya got a corned-beef on rye?
February 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink