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Our healthcare dystopia or how I fell through the cracks.



Here I go... about to be pushed off a cliff, (or to fall through the cracks).  I'm about to forgo the safety net of health care insurance due to a pre-existing medical condition that has made obtaining a affordable version impossible.  More on that later.

First let's get some facts on the table. 

Our multi-payer privatized health care insurance 'system' wasn't designed to provide coverage for all of us.  In fact, it wasn't 'designed' at all.

The US is the only major wealthy developed country without a public health insurance program for all of its citizens.

The lack of a national health care system is the domestic economic factor with the largest negative impact on our national budget and one of the few portions of that budget that can be modified to produce significant budgetary savings.  Designing a new health care system, passing the necessary legislation, and implementing such a system won't be straightforward, but the cost of delay will far outweigh the effort spent accomplishing these goals.  

Our health care costs in 2005 accounted for 15.3 % of our GDP.   In Canada it's 9.8 , Britain 8.3 , Japan 8.0 , Germany 10.7 .  Switzerland comes closest to the US with health care costs comprising 11.6% of its GDP.   Frontline, a PBS investigative journal compares the costs and services of the health care system of the US unfavorably with five other major capitalist democracies here.

The rate at which our healthcare expenditures are increasing is greater than any other OECD country.  At the current rate of growth, healthcare will eat up 20% of our GDP by 2016.   

We must enjoy some benefits for all that extra money, yes?  Actually, no, we don't.  We do however have higher infant mortality and lower life expectancy to name two things.  You can go here if you think that the extra 5+% we pay for health care isn't significant.  If you still aren't impressed, you probably work in the insurance or pharmaceutical industries and can go here*. 

*Note:  Italicized links in this post are to humorous and/or musical sites, therefore ignore, or open in separate window as you may be so inclined.


Authorizing a universal single payer health care system would be good for stimulating job growth and the economy in general. The cost of employee health benefits is as out of control as the nations.  By reducing the costs of the system and direct costs to employers, there is less of a downside for businesses expanding or maintaining their work force. 

One of the most important steps we can take as a nation is to initiate a single payer health care system.  Part of the difference between our healthcare costs and those other countries is what the private insurance companies would call profit.  A single payer national healthcare system is not run with the object of making a profit.  Such a system is managed in order to control the overall costs of medical care for the national population.

Another difference between single payer systems and ours is waste resulting from the labyrinthine administrative processes required to navigate a multi-payer system.   Each insurer has its own billing procedures that requires extra labor and expertise when healthcare providers and policy holders submit claims.  Those claims are often denied or approval is delayed, to the detriment of those seeking treatment and to the benefit of the insurer.  A time consuming appeals process can result with the sick deferring or abandoning medical treatment altogether.  Ultimately, care delayed is care denied. 

By screening potential policyholders for existing health issues, and jettisoning expensive, (read: sick), policyholders who change jobs, lose jobs or otherwise disqualify themselves for coverage under current laws, insurance companies have been permitted to build themselves a cash cow. Those who slip through the cracks are left to puzzle how such a national health care 'strategy' serves anyone well other than the insurance companies.  The poor or sick are often unable to find affordable medical coverage.  If they lack financial resources to pay for medical treatment out of pocket they may rely on emergency treatment centers or to forgo treatment altogether. Emergency rooms are one of the few options available to the poor and are often used as a primary care physician service, placing an extra burden on these facilities.  Treatment deferred often leads to more invasive and expensive subsequent treatment, again driving our national health care costs up. These deficiencies of our 'system' make the adoption of a universal, single payer system imperative both morally and financially.


One of the benefits of having a large pool of people in a healthcare system is that the costs of medical services can be averaged out between the sick and the healthy so that none are burdened with shouldering the full costs of a catastrophic illness.  There is safety in numbers with respect to insurance pools, however the profitability of any insurer in a multi-payer system is diminished by including those who are in need of medical services. The business model for insurers in our system is to create a pool of clients skewed as far as possible to the healthy end of the spectrum, excluding those in most dire need of medical services, thereby reducing the company's financial risk.  A direct result of this business strategy of exclusion is that medical expenses account for the major component of 50% of bankruptcies in the United States. Another disturbing statistic is that every 30 seconds someone in the US files for bankruptcy as a result of serious illness. As the baby boomers age, we can expect the incidence and frequency of medically related bankruptcies to increase.  That will most likely correlate to a greater drain on the socialized medical infrastructure we all ready have in place, (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc).

The cost of prescription drugs in a single payer system tends to be less than that documented in a system such as ours.  Pharmaceutical companies have a greater incentive to lower the price of their products when they are negotiating for access to an entire nation of potential clients rather than just a single insurance company's pool of clients.  An interesting side note is that in Britain, subsequent to cost/benefit analyses,  some expensive drug therapies were excluded from being covered  by the National Health Service. Their exclusion from coverage in the system in turn resulted in some of those pharmaceutical manufacturers lowering their prices  which they had previously declined to do in order to access the market, .  In a system of uncoordinated private insurers there's no incentive for those insurers to contain medical costs as long as they can be passed on to the consumer.

 

 

All of which brings me back to my own predicament.  I'm 55 years old.  I've been a self-employed artist for over 20 years, (Disclosure:  I worked in the pharmaceutical industry for 5 years following university).  I had chosen my most recent health care coverage from my wife's employer's health plan.  During a trip through the South Pacific three years ago I contracted a severe viral infection.  Subsequent treatment for the 'flu' revealed an irregular heartbeat, and ultimately that I had Idiopathic Dilated Cardiomyopathy, (IDCM - basically congestive heart failure of unknown cause, though thought to be viral in origin). My condition has been treated successfully with drug therapy since the time of diagnosis and my heart function, is now normal. I will likely have to remain on a course of drugs for the rest of my life.

 

Here's the catch: I was divorced last December.  I continued my health coverage by extending it through COBRA which the company was legally bound to provide to me for one year at my existing rate.  When the COBRA coverage expires this month, my policy premiums will increase from $266/month to $1755/month, or about $23,000/year total out of pocket expense when factoring in co-pays for prescriptions and office visits as well as my deductible.  I have investigated alternative insurers and have been told that I am essentially uninsurable at what is an affordable price for me.  Were I to pay the proposed premium increase, I would siphon away my financial assets in a short enough time that I will not have any savings left for retirement, (should I live so long), and eventually be unable to afford the premium payments anyway. 

 

As an exercise in accounting, I added up the cost of the various prescriptions, and medical services I received during this past year, including some x-rays and an MRI I required due to a sports injury: the total payout from my insurer was about $7800.  On top of that I paid out of pocket about $5000 in premiums, copays and deductibles.  My premium reduces their cost to about $4500.  My health risks are higher than normal because of my heart, but the exorbitant increase in my insurance premium looks pretty much like my insurer wants me to self insure myself while utilizing their bank account as the escrow account.   

With a $18,500 difference between their expenses on my behalf this past year and what I'm expected to pay this coming year, self insurance looks like a winning, (or less of a losing), strategy to me.  I can go broke slowly but surely by paying what the insurer demands, or I can take my chances, and potentially go broke with pyrotechnic style should something catastrophic befall me.  I don't doubt that I will be foregoing some treatments in an effort to keep costs down, and as such will be putting my health at greater risk. 

 

I remain philosophical.  I have that luxury as I have no children or spouse who depend on my continued good health.  I'm physically, mentally, (most of the time), and financially equipped to deal with my situation better than many others who find themselves in similar situations. Such a dilemma is unnecessary for any one of us to bear however.  Americans have accepted the right of all of our citizens to an education and we've collectively born the cost of a public school system.  If public education were left to private enterprise, we would see similar discrepancies between those with the ability to pay and those less well endowed, (please, I know the difference between an education at Exeter and Newark HS, so let's save that discussion for another time.  And don't remind me of this American who had the benefit of a private education:  G.W. Bush, Phillips Academy, head cheerleader, senior year).  If you believe as Barack Obama said he does, that health care is a right and not a privilege, then universal health care is morally the right thing to do, and the financial consequences of not initiating a single payer system soon are dire.

 

So why is there so much resistance to accepting universal healthcare in the US?  I believe one factor is inertia, (aka: fear of change).  There is some cold comfort in the status quo.  The devil we know vs. the one the insurance industry lobbyists, would paint as a bogeyman.  At some point in the not too distant future the costs of maintaining the status quo will outweigh whatever comfort we gain from clinging to it. Many Americans are stoic in their self-sufficiency and believe they will weather any storm by themselves without the help of the state, their fellow citizens or their neighbors.  The insurance companies hope that those so inclined will remain so.  It is to their benefit to keep milking the cash cow we call a 'privatized health care system'.  They would portray those who live without insurance as 'irresponsible', ignoring the fact that such insurance is out of reach financially for a large portion of our population, and that they and the privatized multi-payer 'system' have made it so.


The current thinking is that healthcare reform in the US will be accomplished in incremental steps, due to the political and logistical impediments to accomplishing such sweeping changes.  There is no doubt that there will be political resistance to authorizing universal healthcare and a single payer system.  It is my belief that such resistance is orchestrated by the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and some other medical providers with vested interests in keeping the cash cow producing.   These special interests wish to preserve a system that amounts to a corporate entitlement program for their industries.  In clinical psychology, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of Narcissitic Personality Disorder, (NPD).  What we have here is a corporate, or industry wide case of NPD.  As such we will meet with resistance at every stage of an incremental change.   The best solution to our health care problems is a single payer, universal coverage system.  We will in the end have such a system, the question is how much wealth will we permit the special interests to extract from our economy before that comes to pass.



 

So, if you're one of the lucky ones who have adequate health care coverage that you can afford, congratulations... and good luck.  You may need that good luck.  Don't get sick, don't lose your job, and if you're covered under your spouse's plan, don't get divorced if you can help it.  Whatever becomes of you, keep smilin'.

 

I have been lucky and have remained above the cracks I am currently sliding through for most of my life, unlike 47 million less fortunate fellow citizens, (a number that has increased by 8 million since 2000).  Meanwhile here in our health care dystopia, I'm about to perform without a net for the first time in many years.  Hope I don't miss the trapeze bar next time around.

 

 

 



Thanks for staying with me if you managed to plow through all of this! Please take the time to visit this site our President-Elect has set up, and register your support for universal, single payer healthcare if you feel so inclined.  Better yet let your senators and representatives
know how you feel.

Note:  I debated using my personal history to make my case in this blog, as I am assuredly not soliciting sympathy for myself and take no joy in discussing my health publicly.  Ultimately I decided to use my own story as I think it portrays a fairly cogent example how as Rummy would say, "Stuff happens".  Unfortunately stuff happens to all of us sooner or later regarding our health.

A happy and healthy new year to all of you.


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You made the right decision to hang your post on your own story! I love your diagnosis of the insurance industry! And I concur 100% with your treatment plan - for single payer health care for all. There is no need for "health insurance" - so long as the government recognizes healthcare as a civil right. (Let's get Obama to sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - which includes health care!)

Wonderful post. Highly recommended. Glad you posted it at change.gov.

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Thanks Thera. It has been encouraging to see the level of support for single payer universal health care here at TPM, and I know you are one of its most ardent supporters. If we keep telling our stories, eventually we may realize that we're in this together, and together we stand better odds of making it healthwise than alone.

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Yes, you've actually inspired me to post at change.gov the short blog I wrote about my husband's visit to the cancer center and my thoughts in it about people who lack insurance/Medicare or lack the secondary insurance to pay the Medicare copays and so on.

(if anyone missed that blog or the the other one on healthcare, click my name and look down the list of blogs till you find them)

I so want everyone in this country to have the security of knowing that if they are sick, our society cares about them and wants to alleviate their suffering - whether physical or economic. Without that security, people will then incur psychic suffering on top of everything else.

Again, thanks for this long and detailed and personal post. Sometimes exposing one's own story is the most powerful way to influence others.

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See Miguel, I lost everything through epilepsy. And Narcolepsy. I am sickened from your testimony.

I could not think straight. I could no longer formulate three sentences that had any cohesive
thread.

I am through with "stuff happens'. That is why I recently have been totally for a one payer system.

It may take time. But Medical Care has become big big business, like university education.

All I can say is Goddamn. If there is something I can do tell me. I have no money. But if you wish me to sign on a petition or a blog or whatever.

I can tell you to move to Minnesota. We have free health care here. Mass is supposed to be the same.

Oh Miguel. I consider you a friend.

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Thanks DD. Medicine and insurance have been 'big business' for some time now. Insurance revenues play a major role in the 'finance streams' as a commenter recently described them here at TPM. The monies we as a nation pay into our various insurance policies underwrite a significant sector of our economy. I think that may be the unwritten factor that leads the industry to maintain its narcissistic personality disorder in the face of reality that screams for rethinking the whole paradigm. They are convinced that we need them on the financial end of our national equation. As far as signing things, please visit the links at the end of the post and register your support for such a healthcare system with BHO, your senators, and your congressman. I consider you and the rest of this band of bloggers here at TPM friends as well. Peace.

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My daughter developed epilepsy suddenly when she was 11. I had 'good' insurance, so I only owed about $3,500 when all was said and done. Now I have to pay out of pocket and pay cash for her drugs. They are less than one third the cost here if I get them from England. Here they want about $700 a month.

We couldn't afford a prescription plan, because like Miguel, we were self-employed.

The strain was enough to end a 22 year marriage, and a good life as I knew it. Once we were late paying one bill, all our interest rates effectively doubled, and then we just couldn't pay anyone. Now we can't sell the house, and it's losing value daily. I'm lucky, my parent gave me enough to plunk down on a fixer-upper so I could keep the family pets, and make a decent home for my kid. I'm probably not cut out to be a single-home owner, either, but I'm hanging on, and I haven't lost money yet, as I bought so far under market in a little city that's supposed to be a good value. Her dad is still self-employed and can barely make the mortgage payment on the old house and doesn't pay any kind of child support because he can't. So it's me and her and the dog and the cats.

My kid is lucky. She's got a 50% chance of "growing out" of her disease, but try being a teenager with a chronically illness. From the school system to the state health plans, things tend to be stacked up against anyone 'different' as I suspect you know. Her neurologist is pretty cool and only charges me about $50 an office visit.

Cracks? They're more like open pits with nasty sharp stakes sticking out of them. She's a great kid, and I'll take care of her for as long as I can, and as well as I can. I'm one of those irresponsible people that works and can't afford her company health care plan, and takes home work on the weekend which is taxed at about 35% because it's considered 'bonus pay.'

They used to call it overtime.

We try to be happy and not think too much about things. I don't like thinking or talking about it usually, because I feel like a pathetic low life that can't properly take care of her family. I'm learning to live with it. I'm maybe not in such bad company. Maybe. I'm just hoping that things improve enough so that I don't lose this home, too, because then we'll have to ditch the pets, and I'm pretty sure that might kill me. Or what's left of me. I'm down to a handful of feathers and one beady eye and a wacky sense of irony. I wish the best for you and peegalito and everyone else out there that's hurting.

You're not alone. Never. Alone.

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Oh Bwak. I am so sorry. My daughter has epilepsy also. Since birth. She was trained in my office decades ago and has a good office job that takes care of medical insurance. But it still costs her and her husband four or five hundred dollars a month for meds.

That is w's fault.

My daughter is fine. She has a good husband, a good job and a good life.

This insurance crap has to be fixed now.

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That's all one can hope for with one's kid. I'm glad, DD. I can't imagine dealing with grand mals with an infant. That takes some kind of extra special strength. Good on you.

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Wow Bwak! I guess we are not alone, eh? (Canuckese as Q has weighed in here during his travels). Your comment about what you pay for your daughter's meds in England v.s. aqui is another subject altogether which I toyed wit addressing here. I found a Canadian Pharmacy that will supply my monthly med supply for about what I pay in co-pays using my insurance. What's wrong with this picture?

I like the description of cracks v.s. open pits with nasty sharp sticks sticking out of them. The current system s designed that way. If you live long enough, and you get sick, you'll fall into them. I wish yer daughter all de best and hope all works out for you and all of us.

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I actually use a Canadian Pharmacy, but they merged with a Brit one. The ones from Winnipeg are the best to deal with according to my research. Plus Quinn can go yell at them if they mess up.

Good luck, peegalito.

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If this is the one you're refering to, it's the one I came up with too.

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Oh, chicken...we do all have our stories, don't we? Thanks for sharing yours.

All these stories need to be told. People need to see the faces of the people who suffer from the unfairness of the existing system...it is just so wrong...

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Thanks for letting us in on your personal story here, bwakfat. Isn't it a shame to live in a country, which has failed to provide certain safety nets, but then turns around and makes people feel ashamed for needing them? It is an outrage that anyone should blame you for things that are not your fault. That's another dimension to this whole shameful lack of basic human services to all our people.

You have my support and encouragement.

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Thera and Still, you two are the most emphatic and genuine ladies on the board. Don't waste it on me. We'll be OK no matter what. I do have a great family that have and will be there for me, if things go south. I wish everyone was so lucky.

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ack! No silly hearts allowed in the cafe!

Good grief!

I meant to say, my heart is with you both.

=D

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Likewise.

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I don't like thinking or talking about it usually, because I feel like a pathetic low life that can't properly take care of her family.

The pathetic low lifes are the ones that look at you and can think that. You Are NOT a Pathetic Low Life. EVER.

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cosign!

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cosign!

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Well, Piggy, I know you don't want sympathy, but I can't help it. I'm sorry you are going through this. As with many of the problems that this country faces, being able to put a face (so to speak) on the problem helps.

I just posted on another blog that I am one of the fortunate ones who have good insurance, along with talking about my fears about government run health care.

You make a good case for single pay (gov run)... I'm a little less afraid, or at least more apt to be willing to conquer my fear.

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And that is one of your most wonderful qualities, stilli.... your ability to reassess your beliefs, to rethink things, to listen to people and to put yourself in their shoes. Not everyone has that ability and few retain it as they grow older. And not everyone becomes wise... but you will. It's a beautiful thing to see.

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Thanks, Mom...you are one of those people who make me want to be a better person...

Now why are all these problems facing us such tough ones? Seems like I wake up and the whole world sucks...I guess It's always been that way, and I've just lived in such a protected little cocoon I never paid any attention to how bad it was.

Now I feel so overwhelmed I don't know how to help.

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I've got another blog coming up, my dear. A way to work on ourselves with just these feelings. And how to use that to further our objectives. How to take painful feelings and become "peace makers" (instead of adding to the store of misery in the world).

We can all make a difference. :)

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Thanks for your support SI. As far as sympathy goes, there are many more deserving than I. This post yesterday by madvilletimes drove home how insignificant my own situation is in the face of what his friends are undergoing, (unemployment, cancer, and a heart transplant). That's like hitting the trifecta at the pony park, only in a bad way. Keep thinking it through. We are selling ourselves short by not adopting such a health care system. It's costing us more, and we're getting less by not doing so.

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I don't want to post this comment again here, 'cuz this isn't about me, but I want you to understand my fear... It's actually on the post you reference.

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I understand completely SI. Gov't doesn't have a great track record. I think one of the things we have going for us is that in a universal single payer system, where we're all in for a penny/in for a pound there isn't gonna be much tolerance for screwing up on the gov't's part. Part of the problem with the piecemeal approach to cobbling together programs is that the constituency for any given program is limited to a small subsection of our population. They never have enough electoral clout to force competence in the bureaucracy. With the proposed system, the entire population is involved. Zero tolerance for f%$kups.

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Gov't doesn't have a great track record.

Thanks for your personal story that shows yet again how stupid our current healthcare system is, miguel.

I want to quibble somewhat with your statement to stillidealistic, though. In many cases, government has a great track record. For instance, compare the government's weather service, NOAA, with existing private services like Accu-Weather. NOAA wins hands down, especially the National Hurricane Center. Until W. came along and politicized the CDC, it was considered the best agency of its type in the world. Even Medicare worked well, until W. came in and fixed it.

And even though I'm not big on how the US does it, national defense is both a public good run by the government and according to those who are supposed to know, the best in the world militarily and technologically.

If we put just half of the energy and talent into national healthcare that we put into national defense, I can't see any reason why there should be anything to fear from government run healthcare.

But I would be interested to hear why you and stillidealistic specifically fear a government run healthcare system and I'm not trying to say that such a fear is unfounded. I'm just trying to look at all the angles.

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Hi Seashell. Thanks for commenting. You make a good point here. I've been refining my position on this some of which can be summarized here. I think a lot of the problem with gov't run programs has been the cobbling together of different overlapping programs, with inefficiencies, duplications, and grey areas of interpreting operating procedures. Throw in the Republican's strategy of 'death by a thousand paper cuts' through underfunding any program they don't favor, and you have a recipe for failure. I think by instituting a universal, single payer system, we'll avoid all of these stumbling blocks. Just by the nature of being 'universal' we include the entire constituency of the nation, so underfunding and inefficiencies won't be tolerated as they are in many of our existing 'entitlement' programs. The single payer aspect of the program simplifies the overall efficiency of the program by eliminating these gray areas of overlap. The inneficiencies will only arise from glitches in the program's design which can be fixed. Thanks again for bringing this up.

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We met some Canadians on vacation a few years back and got into a lengthy discussion about universal health care. I don't remember a whole lot about the particulars of the conversation, other than their telling us they come to the U.S. for their health care. The waiting lists in Canada were very long (at least at that time), care was substandard, and often times procedures were unavailable. They mentioned being glad that Hillary's plan got scrapped, and hoped the U.S. system would stay the way it is, so that quality care would still be available, even though they had to pay for it out of pocket.

That sorta stuck w/ me, I guess. Then, living in my little cocoon, as I have, never knew anyone that had fallen through the cracks, so I was pretty oblivious to the magnitude of the problem. The people I knew who didn't have health care didn't own their own homes, went to the emergency room for care, had babies on medicaid, etc. I don't think I ever realized until fairly recently recently that people were being financially ruined by not having health insurance.

Given the info I had at the time,Obama's idea of building on existing plans sounded like a good idea, rather than scrapping the whole thing and going to government run. However the suggestion of putting every one in the same boat, as piggy suggested, has merit. I haven't completely worked my way through this issue, but I do know that what is happening now is just flat out wrong. People should not have to lose everything they have to pay for medical care.

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That's excellent Still! If this blog has made only one person question his or her commitment to our current 'system' or one derivative thereof,then my time has been well spent. We need everybody thinking this one through empirically, or we'll have the vested interests' lobbyists making the decision of where we go from here for us.

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But govt is not the sole problem. Your "fear" is something you will need to "own." Life cannot protect us from all fear or uncertainty. That's why we need to work on ourselves, in addition to working to be sure that no one lives with the sense that society will abandon them if they are sick.

As I said, I'm working on another post. We all need to work on ourselves. To face our fears, our insecurities, our anguish, our revulsion for the suffering others inflict. Etc. I don't have the "magic bullet" any more than anyone else does - but that's what life presents us with. NO magic bullets! And we're all in this together. So you are not alone in your fears.

Peace be with you.

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Hey M. Great piece. Am on road or would write longer, but Princess Bride - 3 Recs for that alone. Python gets a 4th. And your story, well, that wins free pie. Can't beat that.

So.... $18k in savings, eh? And you do art? Why not plow some of it into a show, an exhibit, concert, song, whatever - that shows what this health care monster does. You know... A Road Trip With A Message.

And since you're a member in good standing of the World Party, here's the lil genius, Karl Wallinger, from that new album he worked on with Gabriel. Been finding it's good for my heart. So it should be double-good for you Big-Hearted Celts.

Single Payer, saith the Power Pig. Rock on.

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Awesome mate! That's my party. I guess this blog is the cyber-equivalent of putting the message in a box, and the box into a car, and driving it around the world.

Interesting that you linked to the big blue ball. I was searching for tunes with Jah Wobble la otra dia, and that album came up, and I've been listening to some of it. Total surprise that Karl was gigging on it as well. Looks like another Itunes download coming up. Cheers!

Oh... and my favorite pie? You decide.

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Thank you for the wonderfully thorough picture of the current nightmare Americans call a "health care system." Whenever I read a story like your personal story, I am struck by how many many times I've read or heard a similar story before with someone else's name on it, and with slight variations. I myself have a story or two to tell. So why is the truth not getting to everyone? One answer, I believe the main answer: irresponsible/dishonest media and policy makers in the government. Agree?

But on an additive note to your story. I have been unemployed, self employed, and employed abroad by a foreign entity for longer than I've ever been employed by a company inside the American "system." End result is that I've ended up becoming what is called here in California, a "self-payer." I don't have quite as serious a set of problems as that which you have (for the present, and I'm a few years older than you are), but I will eventually.

For now, I am dumbfounded that I am constantly expected to pay considerably more than are the insurance compainies for the exact same services. Now, I could and can throw myself on the mercy of the health care provider (and some of them do show a certain amount of mercy), but they first have the gall to ask me to prove that I'm unable to pay what they are asking. How is it any of their business in this regard? My money is as green as the insurance companies' money.

Currently I'm seeing a physical therapist three times a week. I know I'm paying more than he collects from his insurance patients. I don't fault him so much, he's only trying to even out the score vis-a-vis his bottom line. But I figure that the extra 20 to 30% (easily) that I am paying, is going directly into the pockets of the shareholders of the insurance company. That is to say, that is the net effect of this system.

How in any known civilized world is it ethical for the provider to ask and expect me to pay more, for the exact same services, than the next guy? Why isn't there a law, at least, about this? If it were a clothes laundry, this would be illegal.

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If it were a clothes laundry, this would be illegal.

Not exactly--think guaranteed high volume at the laundry.

Suppose, for instance, Joe is a big sweater and changes shirts four times a day; he goes to the shirt guy, who charges you $3.00 a shirt for ten shirts, and he offers him 30 shirts a week, if he can get them for $2.00...

That's the start of the preferred laundry provider network, so to speak.

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Yeah... But... 4 shirts a day is only 28 shirts a week. Joe's not gonna meet his weekly shirt obligation, and he's gonna get hosed when the bill comes back at $3/shirt. Jest sayin'.

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28 shirts a week

Joe is running three girlfriends.

Hence, the demands of the weekend more than absorb the extra two shirts...

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Good post Johnson. Civilized? There is no defense to this kind of treatment by the powers that be.

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Why is the truth not getting to everybody? Everybody hasn't yet become sick. When they do, and they slip between the cracks, (or fall into the open pit wit nasty sharp sticks), which they or someone they know will eventually do, the truth will become apparent.

Regarding your payments to your health care providers, I would recommend taking a hard line on pricing. If all else fails, lie: tell them you got a lower price for your services from one of their competitors and see what they come up with. Bizness guys do it all the time.

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Why is the truth not getting to everybody?

Denial is a wonderful thing!

I think that unfortunately there are too many self-satisfied people in this country who simply want to close their eyes to the suffering of others. And certainly don't want to see the suffering people lining up in the waiting rooms of their medical providers.

I hate to say it. But I think I'm right!

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Ah, I don't have such a low opinion, really. They just don't know. As we mentioned above, people are made to feel ashamed if an illness and the resulting financial problems invade their lives. My ex didn't want to acknowledge our kids illness at first. It was how he was brought up. I remember talking to my mother-in-law, a good woman really, and saying that I was a little freaked out after researching my kids illness, and she said "just don't go there."

Good grief! I'm her mother! If I don't "go there," who will? It's something I have noticed with others. You don't talk about illness. It is something we must shut in the closet. It's shameful to be ill. Maybe it's because it's 'rude' to bring other people down. I don't know. Perhaps it is.

I do think it is that attitude that has contributed to our national nightmare of a healthcare system. The last time we did anything about it as a nation, collectively, was when FDR sent photographers out to document the suffering of our elderly and poor living and dying in garbage dumps, etc. When people were confronted with that reality, changes happened for the better. Perhaps Obama ought to take a page out of his playbook.

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Thanks for your further thoughts on this. I think we're likely referring to two groups of people. But I sure agree with what you're saying. Shame is a big part of this. And people deal with shame in various ways. Yes, it's a huge problem when you can see something needs to be done but others, whether through ignorance or a desire to "not know" what's staring them in the face, simply don't see what you see. And that goes for health care or anything else, doesn't it?

For myself I've sure seen the denial - but I was referring to those Americans who have health care but literally don't seem concerned that others don't have it or literally don't want the system to be "flooded" with the uninsured if they suddenly can receive care! (Believe me, I've met these people. I am not making this up!)

Educating those who do not know is far easier than dealing with those who do not "want" to know.

Peace be with you. And strength for all you're dealing with.

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Denial leads us to believe that 'it can't happen here', (tip o' the hat to Mr. Zappa). Four years ago I was healthy, physically fit guy with adequate health insurance. Stuff happens. Conveying the seemingly random nature of our health and life's circumstances influenced my decision to use my personal experience in this blog.

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taking a hard line

There is also this:when you come with cash, you cut out a lot of overhead that costs the doc money when hassling with a carrier.

I am another "self-insured" (what I want to know is where the fuck is the $200.000 I saved over the years by not paying premiums...?)

I can report that the doctor who *treats my A.D.D. gives me a discount for cash when I come in for my four month blood pressure measurement.


*Go ahead, eat your heart out.

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You're cool dude! ;)

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And yourself.

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You just noticed that?

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Been watching Jolly for a while now. Just wanted to be sure it wasn't just the 'boys show your midriff' Chippendale's vest talking.

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Chippendale's

Disclaimer:I'm not that buff--restricted to the private "bachelorette" parties, as it were.

And now, beset by age and infirmity, I have nothing to look forward to but a rehab jolt doing the nursing home circuit....those grabbin' grannies can be brutal...brutal I tell ya...

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PS:Be grateful I cut the pic off at the waist...

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You know, the woman's body is so awesome to me. It is the one beautiful object in the world that causes electricity to run up my leg and through my spine.

Your pornographic depiction only demonstrates someone who wishes to take all attention from those beautiful females to your own frame and away from me.

WHAT!!!!!!!

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frame

Actually, (by contrast with the reports I hear from my sisters who strip for men), when you work for women, you'd better bring the eye-contact or you'll go home broke...

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The $1700/mo cost for health insurance might have surprised some, but not me. Reading about your situation was like reading about my own. After the 'lease ran out' on our insurance when my husband lost his job last year, I was also facing an $1839/mo bill...me and my four pre-exisiting conditions. Couldn't pay it. And as a result we are also swinging along basically without a safety net.

We were fortunate that we live in one of the counties in Michigan where residents can apply for a 'health plan'. It covers dr. office visits, prescriptions, and out-patient lab tests. But, that's it. It's something, at least, but no where near where it should be considering our country's standing.

After reading madvilletimes's recent post, I did go to Change.gov and register. Gave them my input. A very small doubt flashed in my head when I did....is this gonna work?....is this gonna help? even a tiny bit?...is anybody listening?...at all?

Then I said....well, screw it. Even if there are only a few voices speaking up for a single payer system, one of them is damn sure gonna be mine. Then I hit the bitch button and sent my message to Daschle.

Miguelito...even though I am repulsed at typing the name Wal-Mart, they do have a list of prescription drugs they sell for $4. K-Mart (my choice) has a similar deal, Target, too, I think. I am fortunate that all 7 of the presecription 'maintenance' drugs I require are all available at the lower cost. It might be worth your while to check the online list or actually call one of these stores and ask directly.

Peace to all. Good health, too.

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Seventeen hundred bucks a month can put you in a nice home in this state. PITI along with utilities.

Individual testimony demonstrates problems in our health care system that graphs and statistics just can't. Snippets on cable may talk about 49-50 million people who have no health insurance.

But that does not mean that the other 250 million people are fully covered under some plan.

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Thanks for the input FC and thanks for noting your thoughts at Change.gov. If enough of us make our thoughts known perhaps something will get done to make the health care system work. So sorry to hear you feel through the cracks too. I've all ready checked those $4 deals out and one of my monthly drugs is on the list. I found that funny, as my insurance copay was $10/month for the same drug. Tell me there isn't something seriously flawed in this 'system'.

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Rec'd for Squirrel Nut Zippers

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Thanks Frizz. That'll be my new strategy in blogging: shotgun approach with every one from Neil Diamond to Sun Kil Moon in my blogs. Bound to pick up an extra rec here and there.

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I agree with the above that hanging this post on your personal story was perfectly appropriate. I hear too many apologists for the private insurance system blame hypothetical people for making bad choices or being lazy or somehow deserving their sickness. Ugh. Your story and more stories from real people who are being ground into bankruptcy by this failed system will remind them that universal health coverage is about taking care of real people, our friends and neighbors and fellow citizens. That's what being an American is supposed to be about.

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'...health coverage is about taking care of real people, our friends and neighbors and fellow citizens. That's what being an American is supposed to be about.'

Here, here!

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MVT, your post and the story you told of your friends' health care dilemma encouraged me to tell my story. 'Taking care of real people' is what being human is all about. The fact that we're the wealthiest country in the world would lead one to believe that we can come up with a better system that will provide adequate healthcare for all our citizens and insulate each of us from financial destitution.

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Miguelito, You have made an eloquent summary of this whole mess and I've never seen it done better. I am so glad you sent your story to Obama. I sent in my suggestions some time ago, and ended up with something like this: If you can't stomach doing the right thing in one fell swoop, then just lower the age for Medicare by 5 years gradually until everyone is covered, tweaking it as needed to meet the needs of younger people, and getting rid of the drug-company-written prescription plan.

Thanks for writing this. It opened the door to getting to know you and others better. My daughter is making $12 an hour in NY and aged-out of her dad's insurance last month. She signed up for a $250 a month plan that would only cover hospital bills (no doctors or meds) and then I found out she could join the FreeLancers Union (no charge) and she is considered to be in a group. For the same premium she will get decent coverage. Have you checked to see if there is an artist's union you could join? Just an idea.

I'm afraid that I fall into the category that many accused us of being in: I expect miracles from Barack Obama. I hope he can pull this off! He has so much going against him (not the least of which are Harry and Nancy), but when I hear the nit-picking press I wonder how the man gets himself out of the bed in the morning!

Hang in there, and please write updates!

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Thanks for your thoughts CVD. I'm not sure about your suggestion to incrementally lower medicare eligibility because it excludes too many Americans while opening the services up to those who are older and theoretically at higher risk. Politically it would be a harder sell than changing the system in one swell foop, IMO. Unfortunately my group insurance possibilities are pretty limited. In the end no one insurance pool wants to take on a high risk member without covering their exposure through high premiums. You're basically back to self insuring yourself only the insurer keeps your money in their bank account. I don't expect miracles from BHO, but he has his work cut out for him. There are a lot of high priced lobbyists out there trippin' through the halls of Congress selling the vested interests' snake oil. We need to make our thoughts known to each of our elected officials, and keep on contacting them, or we'll get lost in the shuffle again.

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If Medicare lowers its age limit year by year it wouldn't exclude anyone once the age got down to zero. If everyone is covered by it, then it will include healthy and sick; young and old: ie, universal coverage, but through the back door rather than all at once. (Some tweaking would be necessary to accommodate younger preventive care, and the prescription benefit would need to be jettisoned totally and an uncomplicated prescription system put in place)

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I love your idea! I hope it goes by 5 year increments. And it gives the insurances a chance to show that they can do better..... :)

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You know, your idea is so simple, giving some time for a system to absorb a monumental problem in increments.

I do not know how to argue with this idea.

Social security really began with a check to an elderly lady for 30 bucks.

I really like this.

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Thanks for sharing your personal story, Miguel. By speaking up you add to the momentum building that will make healthcare a right, not a privilege.

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Cheers! Cindy.

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Miguel, I wish you the best of health and the best of luck. I wish us ALL good health and good luck, we all need it.

My work-around may not work for everyone. I'm uninsured, self-employed. I needed foot surgery. I had a friend who was a pediatrician. She had a podiatric surgeon friend. The PS agreed to waive the surgical fee and office visits, and her office helped me find the site for the least expensive surgery (quotes ranged from $3500 to TEN THOUSAND dollars). The doctor wrote to the manufacturer of the tiny titanium bone tip I needed and got it DONATED (a $1700 piece of metal).

I was able to persuade the day-surgery center to write off 50% of the bill, and the anesthesiologist, after written request from me and from my pediatrician friend, wrote off 50% of his. They both agreed to monthly payments of $100 (I paid $300 on the day of surgery).

As I said, this won't work for every person or every medical problem. But going straight to the supplier of medical care can sometimes help, and cultivating friendships among doctors and nurses can sometimes link you to a good outcome.

I also had an ER bill written off in 1999 because the neurologist on call that day, who checked out my concussion, was the husband of another friend. That was sheer luck and goodwill on the part of that doctor, for which I am forever grateful.

Maybe looking outside the insured-or-not box can help give you some new options. It sounds a bit New Age-y, but try to visualize who in your network of friends might help you link directly to a doctor, NP--or even a specialist who is ALSO willing to work outside the system. These people exist; believe in them.

It may be difficult to directly ask for needs-based assistance or a write-off on a bill as a self-pay (which is how it was coded on the bills), and it may not work for all situations, but at least consider it.

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Hi Bracken. Glad you were able to work out the deal on your foot surgery. I've got more than a few doc friends and my sis used to be on staff at Johns Hopkins so I know what you mean as far as being able to use those resources. Unfortunately that isn't much of a possibility for most Americans. It's also a pretty inefficient use of time for the doc's staff and us to be negotiating private deals. Then there's the emergency medical scenario where you don't have the time or inclination to work out a deal. Universal, single payer health care - say it loud. Now repeat. Om.

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You took control of your own life with fortitude and with the help of your friends. You cannot act more American than that.

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I was listening to a medical program on NPR this morning about Alzheimers and how it's important to get an early diagnosis. I thought, "Right. Get an early diagnosis and see how long you keep your job and your insurance!"

Then they started talking about what it costs to "maintain" yourself after your mind has completely gone and you are nothing but an empty shell requiring about $80,000 worth of care a year until your body finally gives out. I wanted to call in and ask why you couldn't have an appointment with Dr. Kavorkian once you realized what was coming up.

Seriously -- if my former mother-in-law knew 5 years ago what she would be like today she would have thrown herself off a roof-top, and I would have helped her get up there. What we need is a 5-year poison pill that we can take when we still have our wits about us, and that; if there is a cure we can take the antidote for.

Sorry to get off-topic here, but losing my faculties, and not recognizing my own children is a fear that I have, and I'd like an out. Ironic, isn't it; that I wouldn't spend $80,000 on myself yearly now, when I could really enjoy it, but my care-takers might be stuck with doing it for me when I can't!

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You make a good point with the conundrum of getting an early diagnosis of a medical condition and thereby opening yourself up to losing your health care coverage, or having your premium raised. I'm sure there are many of us who may be planning a job change or switching insurance carriers, who will forgo early diagnostic procedures so as not to expose themselves to a pre-existing condition/exclusion from coverage and in the process open the door to more invasive/expensive treatment.

Your poison pill reminded me of this. It is ironic that we won't spend that kind of money now, but could be forced to do so to maintain our 'shells' in a situation such as you describe. In my research for this blog I came across some financial planning sites that estimated that we should each have $200K-$300K in our retirement savings accounts just to cover incidental medical costs. If that number is correct, then Vonnegut's ethical suicide parlors may actually play a role in our national healthcare program.

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Although I'm sure the economists will scoff -- and maybe rightly so -- I can't think of a better use for the TARP money than to fund a single-payer health care system. Failing that, I think C'Ville Dem has the right idea: lowering the Medicare age year by year, while at the same time covering all minors for everything, would be a move in the right direction.
Miguel, thank you for sharing your own story. You are not alone, either in your condition or in your concerns.
1) About your condition:
I have known two people with virus-associated heart issues, one of whom had health insurance and one of whom did not. If there is a silver lining to not having coverage, it is this: the one who has the coverage endured a series of hospital/medication mistakes that worsened her condition; the one who does not takes really good preventative care of herself, pays for her doctor's visits and medication out of pocket (both at discounts for being without coverage) and she is thriving. It sounds as if you are taking care of yourself, so until a better system is in place, please stick with what's working for you.
2) Being a freelancer and/or without coverage:
As a freelancer, I paid for good health insurance for twenty-five years. After the hurricane, I had to drop it and was then without coverage for three years. Now I have inferior coverage that is only good as long as I am employed -- which could end any day, as my employer is in the midst of another cost-saving personnel purge. Of course I am worried about that. But I know from personal experience that there are good doctors out there who will give 30% off for cash, who will also provide medication samples rather than writing prescriptions. When I compared what I had been paying in premiums to the cost of routine annual diagnostic tests, I was, in fact, coming out way ahead without coverage...so long as nothing catastrophic happened.
In any case, we are here and it is a great comfort to know that there is a place where people can be honest and share not only their stories but their concerns.
Take care. And, please, keep us up to date on your situation.
Thanks for a great post.

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My mother was diagnosed with lung cancer more than a year ago. We opted for hospice and to forego treatment (she is 92 and smokes like a chimney still). I have no doubt that if she had been put on chemotherapy she would be dead now. Your story about the person who is doing more holistic care than medical brought that to mind.

Sometimes less is more, particularly when considering invasive testing and treatments. The mind-set that you should do it because it's covered is not always the best way to thrive. That said, treatments that cannot actually benefit the recipient (an extreme example: a lung transplant for a 90 year old with colon cancer) should not be offered. And yes, there are ways of determining who can benefit from a treatment.

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C'Ville:
I applaud your mother, both for foregoing chemotherapy and -- although many will regard it as a bizarre opinion -- for having the determination to continue to smoke. Let's be realistic: at ninety, what other taboo pleasures does she have?
Her decision reminds me of the theatre director who was a dutch uncle to me. After repeated chemo treatments (prior to pellets) for prostate cancer, this mischievous reprobate was told he had three to six months at best. He immediately refused further treatment and dramatically announced that he would "retire to his bed to die."
He ate well, rested, read and wrote. A year passed. Then two. Friends and family who had dutifully made pilgrimages to say goodbye found themselves doing encores, which delighted him no end, causing him to chortle at their discomfiture. Finally, my brilliant but decidedly self-pitying father-in-law lost patience. One night, at A.L.'s bedside, he blurted, crossly: "For God's sake, A , how long do you intend to keep this up? Have a heart and get on with it; die, for Christ's sake."
A laughed and laughed. And lived for another year.

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Thanks Wendy. I'm actually finding that by 'working the system' I may just about break even on medical costs v.s. what I was paying in premiums/deductible/copays/uncovered services. As you say, as long as nothing catastrophic occurs... It'll be OK. I think. Which leads me to question why I had an insurance policy in the first place. It seems like my insurance policy was really just a glorified catastrophic plan, with some bells and whistles, (prescription plan, $20 copays, etc), that ended up costing about what I could have paid had I negotiated my own deals rather than having my insurance carrier do the same.

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Thank you. This discussion has been informative and thorough.I would like to bring up one final thought about health coverage. There is a disproportionate amount of Medicare money spent prolonging the last year of life. I think Sherwin Nuland's book, How We Die, should be required reading for high school curriculum. I hope everyone participating in this discussion, especially the cute little Piggy,lives a long and healthy life.I also hope that dealing with the end of life honestly and openly will contribute to a balanced health plan for all.
a link to some medicare figures:
http://www.thirteen.org/bid/sb-howmuch.html

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Hi Belladonna. Those are interesting stats regarding 30% of Medicaire expenditures in the last year of life. There definitely needs to be some cost/benefit analysis regarding treatment in any health care system. People need to come to terms with death. I know my Mom was diagnosed with lung cancer after traveling in Bolivia. The docs predicted she had about 6 months to live, with possibly 2 years after chemo. She clung to life fiercely and elected to undergo chemo. She died within 8 months of the diagnosis, having suffered greatly all the while due to the chemotherapy. In retrospect, I think she would have had a happier ending had she forsworn treatment altogether. 'How we Die' looks like an interesting book.

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Hi. Your linked article is odd.

"Medicare ... spends nearly 30 percent of its budget on beneficiaries in their final year of life. Slightly more than half of Medicare dollars are spent on patients who die within two months. "

How does "over 50% spent in the last two months" fit with "nearly 30% in the last year"?

Statistics are easy to misuse.

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The link says it wrong. I have seen the statistics, and although what I read gives 27% as the part of Medicare's budget that goes to the last year of life. Half of THAT is spent during the last 2 months of life.

Those last two months often include unneeded hospitalizations, use of ventilators, expensive therapies, and invasive tests that yield nothing but a specific diagnosis which is then untreatable.

We need to come to terms with death, and we need to acknowledge that many families cannot provide that care in-home, but hospitals aren't the answer either. Hospice, for all the good it does, really is a cash cow as well, and I know this from my own mother's experience.

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"Statistics are easy to misuse." It's a typo, not a misuse of statistics. The New England Journal of Medicine states just what C'Ville said above.

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Oddly enough my sister just forwarded
this article from the NYT on a related issue dealing with geographical differences in treating medicaire patients in their last two years of life. There are wide differences in physicians' treatment styles with no apparent benefit for the higher priced treatment. The conclusion of the study was that by standardizing treatment protocols, Medicaire could see savings of up to 30% without a loss of quality/results of treatment.

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Hi. I see you posted your reply in your own blog, a smart move.

I'm still in favor of "sanity in change", my point in the other thread which clearly led if not spurred you to write your good essay here.

Is Obama's proposal "Single Payer" as you believe health care should be done? My impression is that it is not.

If not, where does that leave things? How do you/we move Obama on this?

BTW, I have been 'self insured' for decades. I had health coverage through work for about 5 years before that. I've been fortunate during that time, health-wise. I have thought for 7 years about getting into some plan, but haven't researched things in the past 6 years.

I think of this from two points of view: Individual humans, and the economic picture as a whole. I am entirely skeptical of modern American government's ability to run NEW programs in general even though I accept that Medicare, the Interstate Hwy System, and other older programs aren't that bad at all. I have no sympathy for "insurance" companies as such, tho' I do concern myself with the individuals currently employed by them.

Good luck and good health in your personal "health care adventures"!

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Thanks for commenting eds. I had been working on this blog for a while and was planning on publishing it next week, but madvilletimes' post and some of the issues being discussed influenced my decision to move up the publishing date. As far as I know, BHO's healthcare plan is not single payer. I suggested in my blog that we contact our senators, congressmen, and of course BHO and express our desire for such a system. This topic has been studied and debated by experts in economics, healthcare, and public health policy for some time now. Unfortunately most Americans haven't considered the various options available to us in designing this important and necessary new policy.

I understand there is a general lack of confidence in the government's ability to run programs. I think a lot of that comes from the piecemeal approach most of our federal programs have taken toward solving policy issues. They are designed around existing programs creating inefficiencies and areas open to interpretation in their administration. A major advantage of having a universal single payer system in place is its very inclusiveness. It does not have to dovetail with existing and overlapping programs. The real challenges lie in its design, again something if done piecemeal, trying to work around existing programs, and private insurers, would lead to inefficiencies/extra costs. With a good design and adequate funding, there is no reason that such a program could not be administered efficiently by the federal government IMO.

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I would like to see 2-3 radically different health care approaches fleshed out and summarized, and subject to public debate and discussion.

I'd like to see something like change.gov run polls and deal with presorted questions and issues about the proposals.

It may be that "bold" is beautiful now. There definitely has been talk about it being a time for bold action. If so, then going directly to a brand new Government Payer plan, rather than some kind of incrementalism such as perhaps Obama's pre-election proposal, might work.

My main short term concern is the dislocations that could cause. Can they be minimized or ameliorated without merely buying off existing "insurance" companies or driving them into chaotic bankruptcy? My main longer term concerns are two paired: Diversity and quality issues on the one hand, and cost/corruption issues on the other.

If Medicare extended to all ages as an optional "safety net" plan could work, I might be for it. But I don't personally know how it works now, I'm just taking the word of people I generally respect who tell me things like 'Medicare overhead is about 5% while "insurance" overhead is about 30%" and who have been health care professionals for a long time.

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There is going to be disruption in the insurance industry no matter what system is implemented. The insurers are going to end up without control over those "revenue" streams you mentioned in madvilletimes' post. I think that's kind of the idea of going to gain control of the extra 5% of our GDP we're losing in the current system.

A national poll is limited in value. We need an open and understandable debate on a national stage wherein we can separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. Any change as dramatic as the one of revamping/recreating our national healthcare program/strategy is going to have a lot of vested interests lobbying to preserve their piece of the pie, and others positioning themselves to potentially benefit from any changes instituted. We need to get away from letting all of these 'interested parties' influence the debate, which would certainly be the case in any national debate. $700 billion will buy a lot of advertising and lobbying to sell your point of view.

Regarding diversity/quality in healthcare, I think there will be supplemental insurance packages available if the consumer desires. With a well designed and funded system I don't think these programs will be necessary. The insurance industry would probably like an inadequately designed program in this regard, as it would create a market for their services.

Corruption is always an issue and it exists in our current system along with fraud. It is easier to oversee a single system than a many branched multi-payer system.

There will be disruption in the insurance industry. "Buying them out" seems silly to me. There will have to be some deals worked out to ease the transition out. Job loss in the industry will occur, and at least partially be replaced with new jobs in the system. As I said in the other post in answer to your comment, a large, (Republican), contingent of the US senate is ready to sell millions of auto industry jobs down the river for a few billion dollars of loans/bailout. When you compare this to the almost $700 billion lost in our current health care fiasco, we could afford to support any job losses for years, retrain displaced workers, and still come out ahead financially.

An 'optional medicaire policy' available to all americans is something I don't know much about, but suspect it would quickly replace all those private insurance policies out there. It would do nothing to protect the poor who are outside the system now.

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"extra 5% of our GDP we're losing "

It's not lost, it's just, in theory, not necessary. The economy is running cash flows through extra middlemen who take some of the cash flow out of the pockets of payers before the payers get the health care. But that cash flow provides jobs and investment income to other parts of the economy.

Here's a thought: Maybe cutting out the middlemen would allow the revenue to flow to buying health care for the currently uninsured, estimated at 47M last I saw. That is, if 25% of current flows into the health care sector could be reallocated to be paid to doctors and nurses and generic drug companies etc., it might be a wash. This could of course put a severe premium on doctors and nurses, as up to 47M new patients are suddenly added to the system. But if median income of doctors and nurses is not too high, that's okay to some extent and it will draw new professionals to get the education needed to be licensed and get jobs.

Then all the clerks, actuaries, and other paper pushers who work now in "insurance" could shortly start working in real health care. Of course it need not be that an actual clerk becomes an actual doctor, but in a macro view "insurance" jobs would be lost and health care jobs would be gained.

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If we as taxpayers and consumers pay an extra %% of the GDP to fund the insurance companies, et al, that fund is not lost to the system, but it is lost by and large to those who contributed the funds. Taking that amount of cash out of the vested interests' hands does not remove the funds from the system either. It will find new 'revenue streams' back into the economy in the form of savings, or being expended on goods and services, thereby bolstering our economy.

There won't be "47M new patients" infused into the system. Those 47M uninsured aren't truly out of our national health care expenditures as their costs show up as indigent, and noncollectable fees. A very simplistic way of looking at this without projecting any savings from initiating a single payer system, other than freeing up 5% of GDP, (and headed higher), is to distribute that 5% between the 47M uninsured in this country. That works out to $14,600+ per person. Our current average cost per capita for health care is around $6500, (compared to Canada at about $3500). We can afford to self insure those 47M and still put money in the bank.

I didn't actually understand what you mean by: "That is, if 25% of current flows into the health care sector could be reallocated to be paid to doctors and nurses and generic drug companies etc., it might be a wash." It seems that monies allocated to health care would remain the same if they are "reallocated to be paid to doctors and nurses and generic drug companies etc". Jest sayin'.

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re "wash" -- It looked to me like we're in agreement here. The revenue streams currently going to feed "insurance" companies can be diverted to "insure" the 47M by bypassing the companies. "wash" means no net gain or loss to the economy, just running the river through a different channel -- doing more health care with it and less marginal economic activity (paper pushing and actuarial profits).


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NEW programs in general even though I accept that Medicare...(isnt) that bad at all

That being the case, you may put your mind at ease realizing that in order to achieve universal single payer care, we need merely expand Medicare on a voluntary basis.

Trust me, the private insurers will drop like fruit flies in winter. They cannot compete.

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UNIVERSAL, SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE. (SAID LOUDLY.) UNIVERSAL, SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE. (REPEATED.) OM.

(As per yer request.)

M. Like you, was healthy, robust, 'til last Feb. Then... bang. Nearly lost it all. Tubes all comin' out of me. Nothing I'd done, just random shit. Got to hospital, signed the forms, got treated - paid nary a dime. Same as it would have been for anyone up here. It boggles my mind, the simple psychological effect of you guys not having this. The chasing after drugs and docs and treatments and insurance and on and on.... and the FEAR that it amps up in people.

Thanks for writing this M. Really well done, and glad to see so many people piling in. Liked Bwak's mention of FDR's photos. It'd be interesting what a serious artistic effort could produce. Also, interests me that there's now almost a consensus here, at least in this little TPM corner, eh?

Wallinger note. Dude had a brain aneurysm in 2001. Better now, but he says if his friends hadn't pitched in, he'd have never made it - broke in the bargain. Dude with the Waterboys - Moon.

Power To The Pig.

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Sorry to hear of your medical travails last winter Q and glad you're here to join in this conversation. I know you Canadiens went through some catharsis when you instituted your health care system. I seem to remember it was the docs putting up most of the resistance then. If that's so, it's an interesting contrast to our current situation here in the US where most MDs are leaning toward instituting single payer. The squeaky wheels appear to be the insurance industry, pharmaceuticals, and some specific diagnostic clinics. Makes sense that those with the most to lose financiallly would putting up the most resistance.

I like the idea of another program like the WPA photographic project as Bwak suggested. Could help focus some needed attention on this issue. Doctor, Doctor
, you know I feel so bad...

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Tech question. The post is listed as Jan 3rd evening... but I was sure it was up & commented on earlier? A TPM glitch, or a new trick?

I gotta keep learning these things!

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Yes, the comments have time stamps which are far earlier which establishes a quirk. My guess, which I could verify on my own blog but I won't right now: Editing a blog changes the time stamp.

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Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't noticed yet. I had set the publish date for Jan. 3, but on Friday I decided to publish it, and hit the 'publish' button. I never changed the scheduled publish date. Not being experienced with these things, I didn't think I'd have to. Anybody got any clues how to get the post off of the board without sending it into the ether?

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I'd say leave this puppy right where it is, M. I was just hoping TPM had adjusted their software so at least some blogs got longer on the page. I think the fact that it's both still garnering Rec's and comments, and the fact that we're not buried in other new posts means it's not a problem, so.... don't touch that dial!

15-20 years ago I was more heavily involved in the debate around a health care transition, and I agree that - even then - it was clear that - rather than doctors - it was the insurance companies/staff who would be the biggest opponents. A couple of problems flow from the fact that, as you say, change would yank a HUGE amount of money and GDP (5% a YEAR, i.e. a Bailout every single year) into new end uses.

The issue that struck me this morning is that investors in the insurance sector wouldn't have a lot of great alternative places to invest. Now, that's not a reason to keep pouring money into stupid things, but it is to say, there'd need to be some way of making the FINANCIAL transition incremental. For people and systems and economic purposes, I think you want the shift as quickly as possible, but there'll probably need to be mechanisms to grease the financial skids - e.g. not sure, but I'd guess a lot of insurance sector investments are actually held by bodies like pension plans....

But I'm wary of proposals that preserve roles for private insurance at the CENTER of the new system and protect them against change, simply because you just extend and probably expand their incentive to drive up profit in an already wasteful system. Hopefully somebody here is an insurance company transition wizard and can slap some obvious ideas on the table for those of us who are out of date.

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That's pretty much my take on it too. I commented somewhere here on the displaced 'revenue streams' that will need to find other outlets. It didn't surprise me that one of the first casualties of the economic crisis was AIG, one of the largest insurance companies in the world. These guys are so interwoven with our financial system that separating them will take someone with other skill sets than I possess. I'm in total agreement that we shouldn't be preserving a place for private insurers at the center of the new system, (screw the corporate entitlement). As you say that would preserve the problem and ensconce it in in a pretty new system, which we would ultimately need to revamp as well. Ultimately it shouldn't be that hard to do. That extra 5% of GDP will show up somewhere either as individual savings, or will be spent producing jobs/tax revenue/corporate profit. The transition will need to be managed so as not to cause another economic 'disturbance'. Thanks for your thoughts here Q.

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You write: The US is the only major wealthy developed country without a public health insurance program for all of its citizens.

I've lived in the US, Canada, Japan, and now Australia so I can tell you with some authority that the use is not wealthy nor developed. I'll grant you, though, it is "major" and a "country."

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Thanks, M, for an excellent post. Your situation, sadly, is heartbreaking, outrageous, and all too common. I am certainly hoping that your situation in particular, the pre-existing condition issue, will be among the first to be fixed by the incoming administration. It's almost as if the present system is designed to deny care to those who need it most, and I think that the clear injustice, not to say stupidity, of this setup is starting to be apparent to most people. I don't know if there is anything I can do to help personally, but if there is please ask.

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Thanks for commenting Tom. In fact I would say that the system is designed to deny care to those who need it most, through attrition, by allowing the insured who have lost their jobs to be dropped from insurance pools after any period of time. A universal national pool of the insured would eliminate that potential and a single payer health care system would actually reduce our national health care expenditures.

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