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Obama's Chrysler speech


How does handing over a subsidized Chrysler to Fiat herald the revival of an American car company?  This is the same Fiat that has failed miserably to enter the American car market. 

There was also a major emphasis in the speech on what the car company has done for the workers - housed, fed, clothed them, sent their kids to college, etc. 

But the same can be said for industries building nuclear weapons, tobacco products and dangerous toys.  Every worker could have been doing something else for the same compensation.   Public purpose is about opportunity cost under full employment conditions.  Obama defended this plan not on public purpose but on the issue of whether there will be losses of "taxpayer money".    He said no company can be supported on the endless stream of taxpayer dollars.  What about the defense industry or other industries of public purpose?  The difference is that Chrysler's output has no public purpose.

And then there was the vicious attack on the legally secured creditors.  Was there any consideration, for example, to what would happen to credit availability and interest rates for private borrowers if secured lenders expected to have to take discounts if the borrowers got in trouble? There would be no lending as we know it.

Yes, removing debt and reducing obligations to workers makes a company financially stronger and gives it a competitive advantage.  But done this way it's a transfer of wealth previously subject to contract law.

 

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Bill -

You may want to go read up on Fiat since Marchionne took the helm.

As for the Hedge Funds. Why did the big creditors take this deal? The 20 or so hedge funds decided to play chicken and lost. Now because of the bankruptcy they are liable to get less, in fact probably will. A few realized it and at the 13th hour tried to accept the deal.

So sorry no sympathy here.

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"Why did the big creditors take this deal"

- obviously because they were trapped by TARP

"hedge funds decided to play chicken and lost"

- the jury is still out. So far, Obama lost because he didn't manage to force his plan outside of court.

"they are liable to get less, in fact probably will"

- maybe. But maybe not. They hold secured debt. Under bankruptcy law, all debt holders must be respected. And if the company goes into liquidation, holders of secured debt get paid first.

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"And if the company goes into liquidation, holders of secured debt get paid first."

This assumes liquidation.

Perella Weinberg and others will have to see what the bankruptcy court decides the creditors should get. If the other holdouts object to the reorganization plan — and it was unclear whether they would — they stand little chance of prevailing in court, bankruptcy lawyers said. The administration hopes to complete the proceedings within 60 days, and the political pressure to go along is unlikely to let up.

“Saying they have an uphill battle is an understatement,” said John C. LaLiberte, a bankruptcy lawyer with the firm Sherin & Lodgen.

Even those involved in the negotiations see little upside in fighting. “There’s zero chance this group will be able to get anything more in bankruptcy court given that 90 percent of the lenders are lined up against them,” said a hedge fund manager who owns about $10 million of Chrysler’s secured debt and voted for the government’s proposal.


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Obama will obviously try to get the judge to enforce his reorganization plan, there is no question.

But if you're a hedge fund, getting just 10 cent on the dollar under the last proposal makes the risk of bankruptcy court really worth taking.

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The actual amount offered closer to 33 cents on dollar. They certainly are not going to do better under bankruptcy.

Bankruptcy judges tend to frown on hold outs when a deal has been accepted by the majority of creditors.

This is a pure guess, but since two of the hedge funds tried to flip and accept the deal, but missed the dead line, the others will come on board and present a plan to the court that will be accepted.

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Even without a liquidation, the secured lenders are ahead of the employees. If the lenders claims are not covered by the assets, then they get equity in the company. They are ahead of the unsecured lenders. How the secured lenders were offered a haircut on their debt and no equity is a completely farce. Good luck Mr. Obama

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"So far, Obama lost because he didn't manage to force his plan outside of court."

That's a really interesting point. I think maybe everyone involved kind of lost. But I really don't think the holdouts are going to get a better deal in court.

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I also don't know if they will. But I think it's worth trying the proper legal system in our so-called "nation of laws", no?

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"So far, Obama lost because he didn't manage to force his plan outside of court."

How do you figure that. optics or fundamentals? You seem to think Obama is some kind of wannabe fascist or communist.

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I don't think Obama is a fascist. I think he's the kind of elected official he's said he'd want his judicial nominee to be - lots of empathy at the expense of legal impartiality.

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That does not explain to me how you think "he lost". Not that I'm surprised...

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Why did the big banks take the deal? Because JPM and Goldman and the others had Uncle Sam breathing heavily down their necks.

C'mon - how do you know that they'll get less? It's hard to get less than what they were offered. Getting none of the equity when you are a first-lien lender is a complete joke.

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revival? A "new lease on life" is what Obama said about Chrysler.

"Besides the $3.3 billion, the government will also provide up to $4.7 billion for the new Chrysler once it emerges." - some article

So the US is providing up to $8B more? That does seem contrary to saving the taxpayers money. I think your "public purpose" point is valid, but kinda buried the way you presented it.


Don't get me wrong, I'm very suspicious of the policy of applying small band-aids over and over again to the wounds of a zombie.


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True, and what I think Bill fails to do is apply his standards more broadly.

This is nothing new for this country and republicans have been some of the biggest perpetrators of this false "free market" where the biggest risk takers get a free pass when their schemes fall to pieces. Privatized profits and nationalized losses has been a "conservative" governing patterns since at least the 1980s.

I think it far past time we went back to the real definitions of both liberal and conservative in effort to craft a progressive strategy for this country. I know one of your objections may center on the inexactness of all those terms, but we have to start somewhere and redefining some of most closely held labels and prejudices seems a good place to begin the conversation.

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Inexactness of which terms? Didn't I walk you through a theory about the cross product of liberal and conservative resulting in a whole other critter, the generalized progressive, back when we first met?

I don't think unethical conduct in the marketplace is the sole domain of "conservatives", nor of "liberals" in either the economic or political senses!

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I meant the inexactness of how people apply those terms to themselves, not necessarily how they are viewed by others.

My opinion on a hybrid of conservative and liberal thought leading to a progressive methodology was simply my take on what I see shaping up in American politics. It has yet to be proved either way, but I can see shades of it here on TPM at times.

I do agree that ethics, or lack thereof, is not the province of any one political philosophy.

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Middleclassbill: Cry the Beloved Corporate Vulture!

The hedge funds bought debt at 30 cents on the dollar and hoped to get 100% on the dollar back if they could sell off the assets of Chrysler which would be the end of the company.

For anyone who wasn't born yesterday, members of the Bush Base the possible exception, this is one standard 'vulture' mode of operation, they sought a 300%+ gain and only got their money back. Boo Hoo Bill.

I would provide links but few here of Bill's stripe ever read them, or if they do, they are incapable of understanding anything beyond Republican propaganda repeated over and over from the usual sources like Fox News.

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I don't know where you get the idea that they hoped to get back 100 cents on the dollar. Dream might have been a better term. Anyone buying at 30 cents on the dollar doesn't think they're going to get par. But they might have thought it was worth 50 cents and that's a pretty good return too.

Most people doing distressed investing don't want liquidation. They think that they can get restructured with a better capital structure. Charter is a good example. People buying those bonds at 30 never thought they'd get par but they thought it was worth a lot more than 30.

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PS - lots of people bought Chrysler debt at well north of 30. So they are losing lots of money.

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I heard the UAW got a seat at the table for the workforce. It seems to imply some form of ownership stake. If United Airlines is an indicator, that's likely healthy, since the airline is doing OK, if not great.

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One more thing, Marchionne aside. American cars sucked even worse than Fiat in the 70s, when Fiat gave up. (Remember the Chevy Vega?) New approaches to priming for paint ensured they all rusted out in a few years, the styling was horrible, and the performance stupid and prehistoric. Fiats actually were way better when new, but they didn't hold up more than a year or so.

70s Volvos and Saabs were good, ditto BMW.

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