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How is the economy affecting you personally?


I feel there is a need to share our experiences during this critical downturn in our economy and how it is affecting each of us personally.  I believe the ramifications are far greater than are being reported in the media.  I am going to start with my personal story and hope you can comment on or add your stories.  All the best.

I am a self-employed medical technologist contracting my services with two hospitals. I was always confident that medical testing was recession proof, hence my choice of work. That has proven to be incorrect. I have lost my contract with one hospital with no status as to whether that will be renewed, so they are without a technologist and the second hospital has experienced a dramatic drop in their census. (As has the first one that I am no longer contracted with.) The result of this is a drop in income for me is between $1500 - $2000 per month.  There is no upside in sight.

Additionally, I tried to offset this by refinancing our fast track 15 year mortgage to a longer term loan, but due to the fact I am in CA, and home values have dropped so dramatically, I do not have enough equity in my home to cover the 60k I need for the 20% down. Even though our payments are always on time, GMAC is unwilling to help other than to tell me to default on our home loan, thereby maybe getting some temporary relief.  I have yet to talk to anyone there who can explain to me the insanity of recommending defaulting on a loan vs. lengthening the terms of the loan which would result in thousands of additional dollars to GMAC in interest.  Very sad indeed.

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As I understand it, the census is down in hospitals across the board. I read that even people with insurance are postponing needed medical care out of fear that an employer might let them go. I see it in the hospital where I volunteer and I hear the same thing from others who work in hospitals.

I have a great concern that if we don't get national health care really soon, we will find hospitals closing and cutting more services such as yours. For all I know hospitals have endowments, just like schools do, and they may have lost money they invested. We may lose hospitals, colleges.

I too have never thought I'd see health care workers losing jobs. In past recessions there were unemployed people seeking therapy. But not this time.

It looks to me like everybody is hunkering down and only spending what's necessary. Restaurants closing. Stores for lease. Even malls may be shutting down. Like ghost towns.

I think the magnitude of this is just starting to hit all of us.

Scary.

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Exactly. I have found the only orders I am receiving are for in-patients that are absolutely necessary. Both our hospitals are mandating furlough for full time employees. Our county, which has never had to lay off employees, will indeed lay off dozens, up to 100-200, as of the first of the year, and we are a rural county.

BTW, volunteers are the best of the best. Thanks for that!

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I think about 600 health care workers lost jobs at two hospital systems within the last few weeks here in the Twin Cities.

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Kudos for doing this Amelie, I've thought of doing the same but haven't gotten around to it. How does this crisis effect me?

Well let's say it's enough to make a grown man cry. I was fired from my job, on a b.s. reason, the day before Thanksgiving. Admittedly, it wasn't much a job as has been the case since I graduated 4 years ago. In anycase, I am lucky. My dad is a farmer so I can always find work on his farm.

However, I have to travel 2 hours to get there and now spend weekdays on the farm, and weekends at my home where my boyfriend is. Essentially, this crisis has forced me away from my love. The reunions on the weekends are nice though, and we are making due.

However, it is not easy and I have been reduced to tears over the fact that the only thing I did wrong was get a bachelor's degree in fine art with honors. I'm reduced to tears by the daunting challenge of finding a job close to my love in this climate as well. I'm reduced to tears over how I'm seperated from the one I want to be with the most.

Furthermore being on the farm and working doesn't allow me to look for a job as well as I could back home. However, unemployment is not an option now that I'm working for my dad. Also, the benefits would not be enough to support ourselves. Thus, I'm forced back to the farm. Damned if you, damned if you don't- seems to be the saying of the moment.

Regarding the farm, the crisis has caused my father to be unable to sell cattle the way he should. He has to wait and wait and pray he makes the decision to sell at the right time, and pray he's chosen the right price to sell at (they are all lower than they should be). At times he has been unable to sell when he wants to and the lower prices have caused his business to be less profitable. Now, I'm back working for him causing another expense. My father is a great businessman- so I know he'll make due.

Times are not easy for anyone. No decisions are clearly the right ones. At times you feel paralyzed by this uncertainty. At times it can cause grown men to cry.

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Best of luck to as well, Amelie. You and yours, and everyone like us with similar circumstances, are in my thoughts and wishes.

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Thank you Joseph, and best wishes.

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The first waves are already rolling over my family, with myself & others to come, Amelie. I have no kids, with is an advantage, as I can then help the others out. But it's a big clan, and I've already had 3 lose their jobs. Since we're living in slightly more protected regions, that helps, but still... these 3 were exposed to international markets, and as sales fell... they got tossed. And these were from fair-trading & family-owned businesses.

More widely, those involved with housing & manufacturing are in their last months before they hit the wall... and all those in government have seen the first stages, the freezes, come in. Next they lose the consultants, so my life gets interesting come March 31st. Waited decades to buy a house, and now... at the bottom... likely have to move, and thus, sell. Ouch.

My main advice for two years solid to the younger ones has been to get into college, run up the debt, and stay there as long as possible. Come out when yer head's full, and there's some light in the work world. Or maybe better, when you're ready to create some light. They are, and they will.

Otherwise, if you're solid, celebrate the Holidays by making sure everyone knows they've always got somewhere to live - make the offer of a room or a couch. Because the stress, and feeling of being alone, is enough to kill. It's not needed, and that level of fear doesn't help, and yes, such an offer MATTERS. If you don't have a house or are gonna lose it, get the discussion going. Housing's the single biggest bill most of us face, and better to strap on your Brave kit and talk now, ahead of time, than beat yourself to bits & HAVE to talk later.

Have a good season, Amelie. And even if you're down to nothin' but two arms, make sure you wrap those around the ones you love. Which is a silly sentiment from an old Hockey Goon, but when you hear it from these quarters, that means the last hold-outs have given up, and come out with their hands up. Cheers.

And thanks for the brave post.

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Thank you, happy holidays.

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I'm retired and so far still have an income but I have a son who is a manager with a GM dealership and I'm really concerned about him. (You never stop worrying about your kids no matter how old they are.) I think - knock on wood - he will have a job as long as the dealership exists, but how long that will be I don't know.

Best wishes for the holidays and peace and luck in the New Year to you Amelie, and everyone else on TPM.

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My wife called with anecdotes from last weekend in PA. Employees at Ruby Tuesdays were just about to celebrate their Xmas party when a corporate manager showed up and told them all to go home. Employees at Krispy Kreme showed up for work in the morning and were told the store had closed. Two Ultimate Bagel shops closed as well.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/514257.html?nav=725

My brother said sales were down at his GF's Starbucks, but she still has her job.

My bank's branch manager said a lot of customers were running up multiple overdraft fees by using debit cards instead of credit cards.

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I've been laid off with no severence pay. At my age and with my resume there is little chance I will ever be hired again in my current (maybe I should start saying former) profession. I have no pension. I probably can pay my property taxes this year but I am in jeopardy next year unless I can find some sort of work. For reasons I will not go into, my 6 year old daughter is in a private school which I will no longer be able to afford. I cannot imagine looking into that young innocent face and telling her she cannot go back to her school. It is all a bit overwhelming.

Still, I wish you all a happy holiday and a healthy new year.

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I ended my job at a small policy think-tank with the completion of a long term project looking at innovative ways to think about learning and construct learning policy. No big deal I thought. Take some time to look around, be the new dad that I am, and develop a plan to apply my knowledge. (I had begun to grow a little antsy about discussing policy and missed my past where I helped to develop learning.)

The term I keep hearing is "hunkered down." I think that has been true for prospective employers for me. I'm very well qualified in educational policy and reform and I have practical knowledge also as an education professor, teacher, and educational consultant developing very effective methods around writing, math, test preparation. I've gotten almost no response from the 80 or so applications I've filed with organizations that are demonstrably right up my alley. I'm thinking many non-profits have simply withdrawn their jobs in the recent downturn. Even my educational consulting/tutoring has had to accept much lower rates because people can't tap their equity to give their kids that needed boost.

I decided not to keep waiting and am actually preparing to teach in a high-need high school in the Oakland area! I'm excited about it. It's not what I had planned but it it will allow me to really bring what I am developing to a fruitful arena, and not too many high school kids can claim they have a Ph.D. teaching them (at least not right now, give it a year, and that too will change).

I guess the point being is that there is a hopeful side to this. We will all be invited to scale back personal ambitions but by choice or requirement be invited to scale up our service and social contribution. If we have someone like Obama at the helm to recognize the importance of that and we can organize ourselves, this could actually be the start of something very progressive. In the mean time I am very sympathetic to those who are staggering under the burden of obligations. We have a modest but solid savings and no debt. We also rent. It is a time of dramatic change and I am in solidarity with all of you in pitching in and sacrificing to see that that change goes in a constructive if difficult direction.

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Thank you for a most thoughtful post. Personally, I think we too often hear about the focus on a multitude of proposed fixes with a desired trickle-down effect, which highlight the struggles of industry futures and gloss over what is now the day-to-day reality of the working class.

I'm a divorced mom of 3 boys. I stopped regularly buying cereal & milk for my children at the beginning of the school year, although we are still able to intermittently manage toast or english muffins (if they are on sale) and jelly, and occasionally I can allow them to get a reduced-price breakfast at school. In my house, I am now unfavorably regarded as the "Queen of Soup", as this is the meal I am consistently able to make skillfully, in appropriate proportions and with limited means, with relative skill. Just a short time ago, I spent an hour in the grocery store trying to figure out a meal I could prepare for under $10, without shortchanging on the portions.

For Christmas, I'm lucky enough to have been at my job for 5 years, just long enough to qualify for my first holiday bonus above $25 and my anniversary bonus of $100. This way I don't have to choose between a few gifts for my children and essentials like rent and food, and I don't have to consent to my oldest son's braces being removed, because I wouldn't have been able to proceed with the corresponding oral surgery to advance the treatment he needs to correct a genetic defect.

As for myself, I haven't bought a piece of new clothing for a year and a half, as I've been blessed with some hand-me-downs from a co-worker and I more often than not, only eat one meal a day--soup or a cheap noodle bowl. My brother and his family are the only close family members that I have in the state in which I live and I haven't been able to afford to travel the 2 hours to see them since the spring.

Yet, I still feel lucky. I'm lucky that the company I work for has always been adverse to credit. For the most part, they operate on a cash basis; therefore they are not feeling a credit pinch and pressured to reduce growth or downsize. Anything can happen, but I don't wake up every single morning with an urgent sense that this is the day I could lose my job, and thus forfeit my glamourous paycheck to paycheck existence. My children are healthy and relatively happy. I feel lucky in that regard.

It wasn't all that long ago when I had a controlling, abusive, alcoholic husband who squandered away our stability and I supported my children on a $50/week budget. And that was during the prosperous Clinton years. To this day, I know of people who exist in far worse situations with even less resources.

So, as bad as the economy is (and it is bad), I can't help to think, maybe for the sake of preserving my own sanity, how much worse it could be, and how much worse it is for those with even less than myself. Just my thoughts...

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You are amazing. These posts are amazing too. Here we are in difficult times with grim forecasts and yet hope for our future is alive and well. Thank you all for sharing.

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Well, my husband and I are in Canada, but we've finally felt the effects of the US recession hit us directly in our wallets. My husband works for a US-owned company and while his branch was the only one to turn a profit last year, all employees of the company must take a 10% pay cut as of January 1st; also, the company will no longer be matching employee's contributions to their retirement funds. Even the unionized employees have agreed to this.

We are expecting our first child in February. We bought a new car in May and moved into a 2 bedroom apartment in September. Our budget has been tight but reasonably flexible to allow for emergency spending as well as saving for our child's future. Now however, my husband won't continue to contribute to his retirement fund since the company will no longer match it, and we'll need that extra money per month to try and accomodate for the 10% pay cut. Baby's savings may have to go on the back burner for awhile too.

It's very frustrating. I know there are many who have it worse, and I'm grateful that we shouldn't end up having to move out or sell our car, but it's still stressful to have this type of news come at a time when we're about to bring a baby into the world. Right now we need to be focusing on our family, not feverishly counting our pennies.

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Last October I left my job and made a career change to sales. Within 6 months they eliminated my position. So as of April 1, I was out of work, or as I liked to refer to it, a free man! Well, nobody rides for free. Jobs are scarce, but I have an interview Monday, so I am optimisitic. I wanted to refer to that first because my gripe is my 401k from the first job. Not having any contributions since leaving my 3rd quarter value represents nothing but performance, so there is a clear indication of what has happened. I lost a third of my "savings" there.

What we should scream to our stupid neighbors is that a privitized social security system will lead to this kind of triple-decimation. I hope we have memories of this the next time Republicans suggest privitization. In the end, though, I am grateful I have what's left. I am optimistic the market will recover before I retire, and there is that interview on Monday. So it may be Merry Christmas for me after all.

I wish the same to you, Amelie, and all the readers here at TPM. Got hope?

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Good luck on Monday!

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As a small business owner facing reduced revenues and with overhead well in hand there are few alternatives except to reduce hours or go the layoff route. The vast majority of small business owners simply don't have a lot of flexibility. Receivables and payables have to match up.

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My wife and I both work for the same semiconductor company in manufacturing. They have laid off all contract labor and have shut down the plant for 22 straight days during the holidays. I am not looking forward to what we are gonna learn when we come back. But as long as we have each other, my wife, son and I will make it through.

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I read these stories. And I feel for each of you. Everyone should have the right to a job and medical care along with education and equal family rights for all. Until this happens I will not rest content.

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Perhaps your topic of economic uncertainty and apprehension about the future is one reason why I've written so tediously about losing my house to a hurricane four years ago. Because the real danger, whether from losing a house or a job, is not necessarily in the immediacy of the moment; rather, it is that if anything else goes wrong, it can trigger a serial domino collapse of financial, emotional and psychological resources that may finally become insurmountable.

It's happening to my neighbor, today. I will spend this weekend helping her pack to move -- with nowhere to go, for the foreseeable future, but home to extended family.
My neighbor is forty, attractive, well-educated and professional; until last week, she was the upbeat, can-do Admissions Director at the school where I teach. I watched her nearly kill herself over the past year and a half to meet the head count target of the budget pencil pushers -- including pulling off the impossible feat of recruiting twelve new students for mid-year admission in January.

Her reward? A bonus? A week's vacation? Words of praise? None of the above. Instead, last Friday at 4pm, on the same day the last tuition check was received, she was summarily fired. Because the pencil pushers have decided her lesser-paid assistant now has enough training to do the job and my neighbor's salary can be applied elsewhere in the budget. But worse that that -- and this is where serial problems in the future begin to line up -- to keep her medical insurance coverage until June, she was coerced into signing a letter saying she was resigning, so that the bastards will not have to contribute to unemployment insurance. Because she was so afraid to be without medical coverage at all, she signed. And now the domino pattern of disaster begins: from now on, an apparently cavalier, mid-year "resignation" will be on her record, which may well affect her chances of getting a similar job elsewhere.

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This is tragic! And reprehensible!

Thanks.

We may need a weekly blog just to catalog the atrocities that we know about.

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I agree.

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Let me guess that the area of hospital use that will grow will be the emergency department. People will defer health maintenance until they hit the crisis wall, and then present themselves to the emergency staff. It is the most expensive medical care available, and limited in quality by the circumstance of unknown history.

My business is way up. More clients come in every day. I help manage a soup kitchen. Lately there have been more mothers and children, and men looking for work. This is in addition to the homeless and needy we were already serving. If my retirement fund does not take a trip to the Cayman Islands, I should be able to continue doing this most rewarding work. Every day there is a small miracle to balance getting my heart broken in a new way.

Each person has unique causes for being needy. Drugs, alcohol, mental illness, disability, military duty, and the so-called corrections system, have been the short list of reasons up till 9/15/08. Winter came early this year.

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Thanks for your work on behalf of the needy.

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Co-sign.

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Bless you, Tao!

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The recession is having quite an effect on agriculture.
So many people are losing their jobs that beef demand has really fallen off. Corn, soybean and wheat prices have fallen by fifty percent. Fertilizer, repairs,seed,and new equipment prices are through the roof and land prices continue to rise.
Private pay health insurance is very expensive, so to lessen the premium we take very high deductible policies. The trouble with that is when you get sick you have monthly premiums plus big hospital bills.
Would you have guessed that our country could have gone as far backwards as it has done with W at the helm.

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I've been out of substantial work for a little more than a year. We've been lucky enough to have savings, and and inheritance, and in-laws worth oodles of money. So no one has gone hungry, no creditors have called, and I don't think it will ever come to that. But the year has done terrible, and I think irreversible and unrecoverable damage to my marriage. The barbs are coming pretty regularly these days -- especially the holidays -- and our mutual bitterness has gotten potent. My self-esteem is at an all-time low. It was not a great marriage before hand, but I fear -- hell, I know -- that she will never forgive me for this year, no matter what success follows. This will be the first year in a decade I haven't cleared six figures, and, compared to some of the other things I've read here, that's a pretty petty complaint. But the emotional and personal affects are real, too, if less dramatic.

Thanks for the forum.

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