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The actual incredible significance of Jindal's win


The other day I posted about a Massachusetts race (The Incredible One-Day Significance of Tsongas v. Ogonowski!) which offered some very minor insight into how 2008 might play out. Today I am going to post about a much more major race which is of real consequence for 2008-- and, in the absolutely non-partisan, bare and phalanxed fashion in which I always post here, I will show how this is good news for candidates, or at least one candidate, on both sides of the aisle.

Bobby Jindal is the first national real-life example of a Hollywood type, the whip-smart Indian kid (see Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle). He founded the Young Republicans chapter at Brown, went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, joined McKinsey out of school, was an assistant secretary of HHS for the first couple of years of the Bush administration. Four years ago Kathleen Blanco narrowly beat him for governor of Louisiana, so he ran for Congress the next year and won.

Now, the national script has been that Blanco was an innocent bystander to the disaster of Katrina, sole work of the Republicans, one George W. Bush in particular. (You all remember all those speeches John Kerry gave about repairing the infrastructure in places like New Orleans. Practically the whole election was about that.) Well, whoops, turns out the people of Louisiana didn't quite see it that way. Blanco polled so disastrously that she dropped out, and Jindal found himself against 12, count 'em, Democratic candidates.

Normally that would be an easy walk to a win for anybody. But Louisiana has the rule that if no one polls over 50%, there's a runoff election. It's rare that anyone running for statewide office skips the runoff and wins outright. And Jindal was up against an especially ugly, racist and anti-Catholic Democratic campaign. Yet Jindal won 53% of the vote-- avoiding a runoff and, like Ruby Keeler in 42nd Street, coming back a star. (Or would a better movie reference be Rudy and Kumar Go To White House?)

Ah, but he won it because Katrina purged Louisiana of black people! you say. Well, turns out that's not so true. New Orleans is depopulated, but much of that population has moved to Baton Rouge and places like that. So they're still voting in Louisiana. Jindal may have been helped a little that way, but still, this is someone who won all but four parishes of the state, proving his appeal across all groups-- from black Democrats to white Catholics to white Protestants who once went for David Duke. Katrina elected him all right-- but not in the way lazy commentators will insist.

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So what does Jindal's election mean?

First, it means Katrina is dead as a campaign issue. It probably always was-- it was never clear why it should have affected, say, the Mayor of New York City or a senator from Arizona-- but as part of the litany of Bush's sins (HalliburtonEnronKatrinaIraq) it had totemic power for some Democrats. Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana didn't get the memo and clearly blame their own hapless leadership and history of Democratic machine corruption, especially as contrasted with, say, Mississippi's Republican governor Haley Barbour. The rest of the world may blame Bush for the New Orleans mess, but Louisianans see Republicans like Jindal as the reform faction in their politics, and rightly so. So its utility as a weapon against the Republican candidate in 2008 is officially ended.

But I said it would help people on both sides of the aisle. And it does. The other huge beneficiary of Jindal's win is one Barack Obama, Democratic candidate for president. One of the unspoken themes of Hillary Clinton's electability has always been-- "I know you're not a racist, and you know I'm not a racist, but we both know that all those red-state hicks ARE racists-- and they'll never vote for a black skin, no matter how Harvard-educated and bestselling and charismatic he might be."

I personally never believed that, and the adoring crowds greeting Obama everywhere he went demonstrated to me that he was meeting an enormous hunger among white America for a non-crazy black leader, for someone who wasn't a guilt-tripping mau-mauer/con artist like Sharpton or Jackson, but would validate their sense of being post-racist. But it's hard to argue what's in other people's hearts.

For Louisiana-- for the state of David Duke-- for the place some pundit once described by saying, "Louisiana isn't southern America, it's northern Guatemala"-- to elect a brown-skinned person because he's simply way way smarter and cleaner than the alternative proves that we really are, two generations after the dawn of the civil rights era, living in a transformed America. Is racism dead? No. Is it possible to outvote it now in virtually any state of the Union (or the Confederacy)? The conclusion now must be yes.

That's very good news for Barack Obama, a mighty blow against one of the presumptions underlying Hillary's supposed inevitability. And certainly far from the worst outcome of this election would be Obama running for reelection in 2012-- against the equally young and impressive Governor Jindal of Louisiana.


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Yes, it's good news for Republicans. However, there are a couple of caveats. Just because people blame Louisiana Dems for their Katrina response, doesn't mean they can't blame Bush and the national Repubs as well--plenty of blame to go around on this one. (Fortunately for the Repubs, though, Bush isn't running in 2008.)

And the weakening of black political power in post-Katrina Louisiana isn't solely a matter of New Orleans blacks moving out of state--blacks who moved to other parts of Louisiana might not have gotten around to registering to vote yet, and the churches and political organizations that turned out the black vote in NO aren't in place among the Katrina refugees elsewhere in the state.

Jindal is one of the more interesting politicians on the national Republican scene, and it would be a good thing if he manages to lead a revival of the Republican tradition that valued competent management. However, people have been trying to reform Louisiana politics for a while, and the record is not very inspiring.

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(Fortunately for the Repubs, though, Bush isn't running in 2008.)

Exactly.

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Jindal neither sounds nor looks black, as in African-American, so set aside any implications for racial aspects.

Blanco did not run, Breaux pulled out, the Dems in La. were moribund.

In any case, Jindal seems a bright light in a dismal scene--here's hoping he delivers, for Louisiana's sake.

Keep hoping for more good news for the GOP--it's going to be thin on the ground this year.

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Jindal neither sounds nor looks black

That's why I said he was a good indicator for Obama!

I figured someone would say that, but let's get real, what are the odds that Louisiana in the era of "one drop of blood makes you black" would have elected an Indian-American? It's all evidence that race and the electorate is a far more complex and nuanced story than it was 40 years ago, or even 20 years ago.

Incidentally, though everyone seems to be assuming I see this mainly as a Republican win, I think its effect for Obama is actually much more significant, potentially, than the fact that it delivers the news of what I thought was a foregone conclusion anyway-- that Katrina just wouldn't be much of a factor in the '08 election.

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The English considered Indians and other brown folks Wogs, but they were never slaves here, which is an important distinction. African-Americans have complicated and uncertain relations with immigrants from the Indian subcontinent.

That the Democratic Party in Louisiana was unable to offer any competition for Jindal is certainly because of Katrina added to persistent corruption, but you're dreaming if you think people will forget what Kanye West said: "President Bush doesn't care about black people", or that many felt the same.

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The English considered Indians and other brown folks Wogs, but they were never slaves here, which is an important distinction.

Again, do you really think this would have mattered in the South in 1964? Remember that the Klan in the 20s was as much an anti-Catholic organization as an anti-black one, a sentiment which the Democratic machine tried to tap into in this very race against Jindal (a Catholic convert), so the assumption that such people, prejudiced against plenty of their fellow pale Christians, would have nonetheless been totally cool with a South Asian darker than Lena Horne seems very improbable to me.

you're dreaming if you think people will forget what Kanye West said: "President Bush doesn't care about black people"

Again, he's not on the ballot. Rudy Giuliani, to name one, may well have his own problems getting the black vote, but the evidence that Katrina will loom large among them is pretty much nonexistent.

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I agree an Indian would have gotten nowhere in 1964, or 1920. Not the point.

What I meant was that blacks would not automatically act in solidarity with an Indian, and also that any lingering dislike of blacks by whites would not include an Indian. Yes, I agree he's a "safe" milk-chocolate, which may help Obama, too. However, I distrust conservatives that find things to like in Obama, because I suspect they think he'll be easy to beat.

Any GOP candidate will have to parse the question of how Republican to be. Can they identify as Republican and avoid the last 8 years? Good luck. As Newt suggested, Dems could simply run on "Had enough?"

And I'm interested in a lot more than the presidential race. Congress is key to nearly every important issue of the last 8 and the next few years. We won't have clear answers to what the hell went on without enthusiastic investigation, and undoing the damage to agencies and their professional staff will take lots of appointments and approvals. Lots of small issues will need hammering out to get any progress on energy and climate, not to mention the economy and health care. The President doesn't make the sausage, he only places the order.

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However, I distrust conservatives that find things to like in Obama

Also known as "building a winning electoral coalition"

And in any case, I disagree. When conservatives build up Hillary, they do so disingenuously because they see someone they believe* has an absolute ceiling of possible support in the high 40s, and whose only hope is-- as with her husband's races-- a strong third party dividing the right (she could just about kiss Ron Paul, I'm sure). By comparison, I don't think anyone on the right feels they know for sure if Obama's support will top out at 25% or 60%. There's also the suspicion that if Hillary loses this year, she's toast forever, but that this is 1956 and John F. Kennedy for Obama, and his story is just in its first act.

If Republican political operatives could book their opponent right now, they'd absolutely take the known quantity Hillary over the two most likely and less predictable alternatives, Obama or Gore.

* Not necessarily correctly, I should add. Nevertheless, it seems the conventional wisdom.

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Well, turns out that's not so true. New Orleans is depopulated, but much of that population has moved to Baton Rouge and places like that. So they're still voting in Louisiana.

On what do you base this opinion, Mgmax? According to this article and voter survey analysis:

The poor turnout Saturday was especially striking among African-Americans, who tend to vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Before Katrina, the huge block of African-Americans in New Orleans could sway statewide elections, but that could be an obsolete notion.

The overall turnout statewide Saturday was about 46 percent of registered voters. In New Orleans, the turnout was about 27 percent, with about 40 percent participation among white voters and 20 percent among black voters...

"This is a real significant issue for New Orleans," said GCR's Greg Rigamer, who consulted for about 50 candidates during this election, including Jindal. "You've got a real significant difference here. This isn't marginal."

In the gubernatorial primary of 2003, about 122,000 people voted in New Orleans. Nine months after Katrina, about 115,000 people voted in the runoff for New Orleans mayor. On Saturday, 75,880 voted in the city. Rigamer thinks the decline reflects a trend of more residents giving up their New Orleans homes.

"I think this is an indication that people have moved on," Rigamer said.

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The election was characterized by an energized electorate among white voters and a general disinterest among African-Americans, said Louisiana pollster Bernie Pinsonat of Southern Media & Opinion Research.

Nowhere does the article say 'same voters, different addresses'.

What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority. Molly Ivins

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On the other hand, nowhere in the snippet you posted does it say that there was a mass absence of African-American voters due to the population moving out of Louisianna.

Actually, the last paragraph you posted seems to refute your argument:

The election was characterized by an energized electorate among white voters and a general disinterest among African-Americans, said Louisiana pollster Bernie Pinsonat of Southern Media & Opinion Research.

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...nowhere in the snippet you posted does it say that there was a mass absence of African-American voters due to the population moving out of Louisianna.

I was not making a claim either way, as mgmax is. With an almost 40% difference in voter turnout from the 2003 primary to Saturday's vote, mgmax would have a valid talking point about the Katrina (non) effect if that 40% was just voting from a different part of the state as opposed to either mass absence or disinterest.

Just being genuinely curious about the 'Katrina effect' and asking where mgmax got his info, since it doesn't reconcile with anything I've read so far.

What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority. Molly Ivins

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When I wrote this I had seen something which said what I said, basically-- New Orleansians had mostly resettled within the state. However, I have to admit that the question raised above by William Burns, about whether blacks who resettled within the state would have turned out to vote, gives me pause now. Blacks are a fairly low-turnout group without (or even with) social support structures like those mentioned above, and it seems likely to me, on reflection, that even if they did move within the state, they're not back to voting in the same numbers as before.

So I just did some more poking around and found two interesting things. One was this:

http://www.lanewslink.com/archives.php?id=2503

Which interestingly suggests that Jindal was leading in the black vote prior to the election, too. (Of course, in a field with 12 Democratic opponents, that's probably not too surprising.)

Then there's this analysis at National Review:

http://tinyurl.com/2c7jgp

Basically it says; yes, turnout was way down in places like New Orleans, but Jindal's percentage of the vote in New Orleans was hardly changed. So it's unlikely that it was only black voters who left town and failed to vote, because if that were the case, surely he would have done far better. Likewise, the areas where his percentage of the vote went up the most were in the white Protestant parishes where Blanco had defeated him in 2003. So whatever the situation with the black vote in Louisiana, the story of the election seems to be that white Protestants who didn't vote for the South Asian Catholic in 2003 switched to his side in 2007, despite an anti-Catholic campaign aimed at them, and put him over.

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From the same article I mentioned earlier, here are the African-American vote tallies from 2 sources, which contradicts the LA Newslink article (written before the vote):

Rigamer's post-election analysis says African-American turnout statewide was 35 percent, compared with white turnout of 51 percent. Jindal got 63 percent of the white vote and about 10 percent of the black vote, Rigamer estimated. Independent pre-election polls showed Jindal with 15 percent of the black vote, but the lower actual support on election day was more than offset by low turnout.

Boasso led the African-American vote with 36 percent, followed by Campbell with 28 percent and Georges with 21 percent.

A Times-Picayune review of 52 precincts statewide with close to 100 percent African-American voter base closely tracked the Rigamer's results. Those precincts, which tend to be poorer overall than Rigamer's base, showed a 29 percent turnout. Boasso led with 35 percent of the black vote followed by Georges with 31 percent and Campbell with 24 percent. Jindal appealed to only 7 percent of the voters in those precincts.

The NRO article is more substantive, but they are arguing a 'different' Katrina effect than you. I'm keeping an open mind, and appreciate your willingness to keep one, also, but I am not at all convinced of the Katrina effect that you laid out.

So what does Jindal's election mean? First, it means Katrina is dead as a campaign issue.

I think I've warned of the dangers of premature obituaries before. :-)

What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority. Molly Ivins

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David Freddoso, who wrote the short thing at National Review I mentioned above, has an expanded version of it now which demonstrates in greater detail that Jindal won by winning over the whites in the rest of the state, not that any Katrina depopulation of blacks put him over:

The Democratic margin [in New Orleans], smaller this time by 26,000 votes, did not decide last week’s election. The subtraction of these 26,000 votes in 2003 would not have made Jindal a winner, nor would their addition into this year’s results have changed the outcome. If a full and vibrant New Orleans had voted this past Saturday exactly as it did in 2003, Jindal would have won anyway, and by a comfortable margin.

http://tinyurl.com/33zjmg

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