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Our own shopping spree (updated)


Budgeting isn't fun,but each of us has to at least consider what we are spending. Normally talking about debt is boring, but this is alarming:

The U.S. budget deficit for October surged to $176 billion, a record for the month, the Treasury Department announced today. During the month, the government racked up $311 billion in outlays compared with $135 billion in receipts. The October numbers mark the first month for the new fiscal year after the U.S. wrapped up the 2009 fiscal year that ended on September 30 with a record-high $1.4 trillion budget deficit due to increased government spending...
Yes, the government did a financial bailout. We are in a huge recession. If the government actually balanced the budget using October's numbers (spending 2.3 times what it's making?!? Is something wrong here?!?), we'd have a massive decrease in spending and a massive loss of programs and jobs. And yes, GW Bush lowered taxes and increased spending. And, yes, there's a couple wars going on. And yes, some of the spending, like an increase to the NSF, will reap long term rewards, economy-wise.

We're now spending about 8% of our government revenue on interest alone:





And this kind of deficit leads to this kind of debt interest servicing (GAO):



Watch the growing red box! This is percentage of revenue going to nothing of value to Americans. Not to health care. Not to the military. Not to the NSF. Not to Social Security. It goes solely to interest servicing. Yes, this is a pretty long term view. But we already waste 8% of U.S. revenue to interest. Eight percent is a lot of money that could have been used for something else . Remember that Einstein was amazed at how interest can take a little bit of saved money and make it so much bigger in time. Interest adds up exponentially in the opposite sense too (e.g. debt), so that eventually the US economy is dominated solely by interest servicing. By 2050, roughly 12% of the entire U.S. GDP would be spent on federal interest. 

How can this problem be changed? Well, simply either government income needs to be increased (taxes, fees, etc) or expenditures need to be reduced. In debt risk analysis, the CIA factbook lists the U.S. as #24, meaning that there are 23 countries with a worse debt/GDP ratio--but most of their numbers were pre-whole-hog recession, pre TARP, and pre stimulus. We could be on our way up the list.

Here's the White House's plan for the future and it is a pretty good read. But does it do enough? How can we say that we are going to improve the lives of Americans in the future when so much money will be reserved soley to interest-servicing? Future projections are projections, of course, and can be changed. Well, this is one thing that we need to change, and soon.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if the Federal government was like most states, required to balance their budget year-by-year. Right now it would be a catastrophe. Ramona has a good post about job creation, and argues for some spending now to create jobs now to help the economy now and in the long run. Short term, I am not discounting that a Job Bill would be a better idea than TARP or the Stimulus was.

But we will have to think about, and soon, the long term effects of federal debt.

Update: I was throwing the acronym GDP around and I really meant U.S. government revenue. Edited.

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Matyra, this is very interesting. Thank you for providing it. The graphs are terrifying. There's no other word for it. I think we're in a crisis of such extraordinary proportions we're going to need to treat it as we would a Third World War.

The other dilemma is that if we do, in fact, begin to make sacrifices and tighten our own belts, we shut the economy down for good. We need to BUY things in order to keep this behemoth going but we can't buy things if there are no jobs and no money.

Nightmare time!

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I know I know. If the government stopped spending deficits right now (2.3X what it takes in), it would be a nightmare. This is what we get from a government that reduced taxes on the rich and simultaneously increased spending. Now something's got to give.

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That's some scary shit.

Rec'd.

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Sorry Lis. I just was reading about it and got more and more alarmed.

Weird how you can go from page to page, one the Congressional Budget Office, one the Government Accounting Office, and others, and a bunch of numbers and charts slowly eventually form an image in my head reminiscent of Freddy Kruger.

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By the way, the CIA ranks Mexico as #97, meaning that they are 73 slots better than us, debt-wise. Not bad for our "little buddy" to the south.

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The money is there. The oligarchy has riches unfathomable.

THEY OWE IT ALL TO US. THEY STOLE IT AND THEY OWE IT ALL TO US.

We just need the political guts to go get it.

IT IS TIME FOR A NEW CONTRACT TO BE SIGNED BETWEEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THAN OWN AMERICA.

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Why is putting the tax burden back where it has been such a minefield? Bush lowers taxes almost solely on the rich and now we can't put them back to their historical levels without political death?

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With a quick search, I can't find quite what I was looking for, but I have heard Paul Krugman compare the deficit and debt ratios to GDP between now and the Big Depression, and he isn't altogether worried. (yeah, yeah, easy for him to say.) He has also spoken for a major jobs bill. Here is one discussion on his blog that may illuminate his thinking for you. Others, of course, think it is nonsense. I'm going to go with the modified-Keyensians on this one.
You have to factor in the bailout of Main Street as crucial for long-term economic growth (foreclosure relief, college loan relief, jobs) ; the Wall Street Recovery is a chimera.

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I know. I'm not weighing debt we are taking in now that's to stimulate the economy--I'm just looking at debt and interest in isolation.

Of course, there's good debt and bad debt. Bad debt is taken on for nonessential things, and offers nothing in return. Good debt, like a mortgage or school loan or business loan has the potential to offer more back than the combined interest and principal. The problem is when government is forced to take on debt, just for the day-to-day running of the government. Then it's just time, stupidity, and inaction that leads to disaster.

The stimulus and TARP and a potential jobs bill are good debts, in my view. They offer more for the future. But even without these, our government would be running a deficit, which, Keyensian or no, adds up.

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Stop spending 6 times what the closest nation spends on defense, and raise the top tax rate, as Flavius pointed out yesterday.

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Good plan. The excess military spending boggles my mind. The whole country is like a tenant who can't completely cover rent but always makes the state-of-the-art security system complete with booby traps.

Good link. I missed that yesterday.

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always makes the payments>/i> on that security system.

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wow, cannot type today.

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Cut the military budget, absolutely. Raise taxes. Yes -- certainly for those who have had the benefit of Bush cuts, of whom there are many; but maybe even raise taxes, period end.
I was aghast when I first lived in Canada that sales tax in PEI was 16.5% and 14.5% in Nova Scotia. I was initially aghast because, as an American, I was paying the price without getting the benefits of healthcare, etc.. However, gradually I was able to depersonalize my attitude -- or maybe de-Americanize my attitude -- to really understand that high taxes, whether based on purchases, or property or whatever, is WHAT IT TAKES to offer those social services that provide a safety net for every citizen.
Would I trade higher taxes for guaranteed health benefits? In a heartbeat. Wouldn't you?

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16.5% sales tax? Eek. Add that to the income tax and that's a lot of tax. But you are right, with these taxes come services that make life a little better. But I'd hate to buy a car in PEI!!

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