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Two Republicans Fall Flat in Town Hall


Here are my notes from the Town Hall yesterday starring Judy Biggert IL-13 and Mark Kirk who thinks he's going to win the senate seat Obama used to sit in.  

The venue was great, the Arista Hotel in Naperville is a beautiful place and put on a very nice lunch spread paid for by the Chamber and donations. The Naperville Chamber of Commerce was an excellent host and John Schmidt their CEO did a fine job of moderating the session. I hope they'll continue to host open town halls with our representatives in the future.

Judging by the response of the crowd in the ballroom their presentation went over like a lead balloon.

The event was filled to capacity, over 100 people. It's a shame the Chamber didn't allow the television cameras into the room to show the earful Kirk and Biggert got. They would have been able to record just how much folks in Illinois's 13th congressional district want real health care reform, not what Kirk and Biggert were offering.  

I'm gonna ignore the fact that they showed up over half an hour late for an event most people had to duck out of work in the middle of the day to attend. I'm going to skip the the first 40 minutes which I guess somebody decided at the last minute when they saw all those unfamiliar names who registered should be about Transportation, EFCA and Cap and Trade. At 12:45 they finally got around to health care which was the issue this event was advertised to be about.

But first a bit about Mark Kirk's opening remarks. He made the same speech he made to the City Club of Chicago insiders in April about how Illinois is so corrupt. It was an odd speech, sounded more like he was running for governor than senator. He looked perplexed when the audience sat stonyfaced at his applause and laugh lines that worked so well with the swells who bought Governors Ryan and Blago and hope to buy him. Then he told us how much he likes Patrick Fitzgerald. Maybe Fitzy could explain to him about how he's not supposed to be twittering while he's on duty with the reserves which he's already been nailed for, promised he'd stop but continues to do.    

The highlight of Kirk and Biggert's presentation was a powerpoint slide show with cherry picked charts, almost all of which were 4 or 5 years old with at least one going back to 1999. All to show us how wonderful our health care system is compared to the UK and Canadian systems. While the British and Canadians may or may not have legitimate concerns with their systems the systems themselves bear no relationship to the Democratic proposals for health care reform in this country. The Brits and Canadians have continually modified their systems over the years by complaining to their elected representatives. Just try that with your insurance company.

HR 3200 will make health insurance companies really compete against each other and the public plan in a open market, (the exchange). That will change the government protected monopoly racket that gives us no choices these days. It'll make pharmaceutical companies compete against each other too, and if the government directly negotiates prices with the drug makers our buying power with 330 million people will be able to drive a much harder bargain than the Canadians and their 30 million people get.

With real competition our system will look much more like the Dutch or German system. Nobody is proposing the government take over the hospitals as they've done in the UK and a single payer government run health insurance company like Canada and Medicare, isn't in HR 3200. They ought to quit trying to scare people with that nonsense.

In her remarks on health care Biggert told us her well worn story about her daughter's family who have lived in London for 11 years. It was an attempt to give second hand proof that the UK  health care system is awful. Apparently not so awful mind you that Mrs. Biggert's daughter doesn't continue to subject herself and her children to it.

She gave us obsolete statistics about wait times for surgeries in England and once again claimed there's some webpage about it that's down now because so many people have looked at it. I guess she means it crashed. That webpage is down because the information is out of date. Mrs. Biggert knows perfectly well those statistics are obsolete because an English doctor in one of the hearings she claims congress isn't having on health care set her straight. You can see the video of him debunking most of what she told us yesterday below. Yet she continues spreading these falsehoods.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckN5NFmtwYI


Yeah they have some problems in England. But this guy says they knocked wait times down for surgeries to 18 weeks. On the chart Biggert showed us yesterdaym which was years out of date it showed much longer times and in the US it showed us at 23 weeks.




The CBO has scored HR 3200 unlike Kirk's pretend bill. They say under it 97% of people in America will be insured by 2019. Of that number 96% will be insured by for-profit private insurers and the other 4% will be in the government public option plan. That doesn't sound like the private insurance companies who give you so much money will be "driven out of business" to me Mrs. Biggert.

The CBO also says HR 3200 is deficit neutral meaning it won't add to the deficit. It'll squeeze inefficiencies and profiteering out of the system for huge savings and the rest of the cost, $239 billion over ten years as Mrs Biggert accurately pointed out, will be covered by rolling back some of Bush's tax cuts for the richest 1% of wage earners.

If the "Medical Rights and Reform Act" they touted instead is so good why didn't they give us copies of it? Why hasn't it been up on the internet? They released it almost two months ago. Why haven't they submitted it to the Congressional Budget Office for scoring? Kirk says he has one page, three page and twelve page versions of it. Twelve pages to fix health care in this country? That's not a health care plan it's a press release.  

When it came time to answer questions I asked them why they continue to talk about the English and Canadian systems when they bear no resemblance to HR 3200.

A physician in private practice invited them to come down to his office and compare the exasperating private insurance forms that take up so much of his time with the simple Medicare forms that are so much easier to fill out and submit. By law Medicare has to pay him within two weeks of receiving his bill. Private insurance companies play games and delay paying as long as they like.

A wheelchair repairman spoke of the silly rules that protect manufacturers of new hospital equipment from having to compete for business.

A woman complained about government involvement in health care at all saying the free market could do better. There is no free market in health care, most of us have no choice of who we get health insurance from, we have no recourse if the insurance company decides to drop us because we get sick and we're not profitable enough for them. We have no say if the hospital bills $80 for a single Tylenol tablet and the insurance company tells us what doctors we can see. We've let the free market run health care for decades and they've set up a money making machine that forces us to pay twice what the rest of the world pays for the 37th best health care on the planet.  

An Englishman said he has started businesses in the UK, Canada and the US. He made a very important point about how our system is killing American entrepreneurial spirit. While he's well to do and can afford to insure his family there are millions of others who would like to start their own businesses here but don't dare leave jobs with health insurance, don't dare join a start up that doesn't provide it. Mrs. Biggert may mock self employed "yahoos" who make $75,000 a year who don't buy coverage but some people with pre-existing conditions, or family members with them, can't buy health insurance at any price.

The last one, an elderly women shamed them for taking so many campaign contributions from the health care industry to fight against real reform. She called for the public option and said it's inexcusable to fight against reform when our current health care system is way down on the scale somewhere between Costa Rica and Slovenia.

Of the people who were called on I counted 3 who supported Kirk and Biggert's position and 7 who support the President's. The crowd was polite, there were few interruptions, there was no chanting, no outbursts to drown out the speakers as we've all seen teabaggers doing across the country on tv by now. But it was obvious from the reaction that most of the folks in the hall wanted to see HR 3200 enacted into law.  

That's what happened yesterday in Naperville. I hope Mrs. Biggert and Mr. Kirk got the message.

I was interviewed by Mike Flannery of CBS2 news for about 5 minutes and a FOX guy too. As you can see from the CBS2 clip the media only wants to see a fight not facts.

CBS2 newsclip

FOX didn't use any of my footage but their story was better.

FOX newsclip

Did an interview with TribLocal reporter when I got home. His story is up but it isn't much of one. I was quoted at the end and wrote some comments afterward. 

http://www.triblocal.com/Downers_Grove/Post_comments/Downers_Grove/Detail_View/view.html?type=stories&action=detail&sub_id=88350

If you're in the area we'll be picketing on Rt. 83 & 63rd st. outside Biggert's office in Willowbrook IL soon. We're gonna ask people to honk for health care reform so up in her office in the bank building Judy can hear us. Keep an eye on our website at DGDemocrats for updates. If you can join us as we show her just how out of touch she is. .











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Terrific reporting.

Strongly suggest you send to other media outlets and hopefully you post this in multiple blogs and sites.

Excellent.

Greatly appreciate. Rec'd.

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When it came time to answer questions I asked them why they continue to talk about the English and Canadian systems when they bear no resemblance to HR 3200.

What was their answer?

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It's a sneak attack to get single payer! It'll put private health care insurance out of business! You'll lose your coverage!


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I don't understand the way these people think.

First they insist that the government is so beaureaucratic and incompetent that they can't run anything right; then they proceed to say that the government will run healthcare so well that they'll run everyone else out of business. Does this make any sense to anyone with an IQ above Palin's?

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Those two aren't much smarter than Palin.

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Thanks Aunt Sam. It's already up at Kos and I'm on my way to others. Please pass the word. If I don't mind saying so we kicked butt yesterday and though the media reporting around here ranged from off track to awful everybody in that room knew we won by getting truth out.

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Just now, CNN is finally reporting the truth about the MacCaskill incident with video! I guess better late than (as usual) never!

Have you sent in your report to Illinois papers? Hope so. (I am emailing your report to list.)

Again, thanks for post and all your efforts.

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Thanks J! Nice of you and appreciate.

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This was terrific. Thanks for the report. Hope you added tags so that your review will appear as a bright and shining example the next time someone googles "IL Town Hall."

Plan on visiting a couple of Republican town halls myself...

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Well "IL-13" and "town hall" are in tags. I hope that works.

Please do visit as many of these town halls as you can. We'll win if we get the facts out and force them to stop lying.

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Mark, a lot of work here and fantastic reporting.

Just a reminder. I put on CSPAN when I can and watch some senators with offal cardboard diagrams...they will forget what their point was and then the billboard falls off the easel...

real comedy

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They had Grassley on CPSAN just now at a town hall in a church saying we have the best health care in the world. I'm surprised he wasn't struck by a lightning bolt Dick.

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How do our reps continue to get away with making that crazy statement. It is one that is made with some frequency. People must know by now it is false. Nobody should let others voice this nonsense. A U.S. Senator flat lying like this, on CSPAN, with a national audience, borders on criminal.

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Markg8, thank you for this outstanding report. This is really good news!

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Check out the FOX clip. Biggert looks shook up as does Kirk a bit. I'm sure they went to the FOX camera first looking for a friendly face.

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That last woman was the real coup de grace. I'm sure they were hoping she'd spout something like "keep your guvmint hands off my Medicare!" but she just tore them up. She was so good I had to shush some people in front of me who started clapping to let her finish.

I went outside afterward and spoke with the crazy woman who thinks we ought to get the government out of health care period and an insurance agent. I don't know what he was complaining about, he's about to get 50 million new customers!

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Mark I'm going to a townhall next Tuesday night for Dan Lundgren (R) Have no idea if people will be able to speak, but I want to go armed with SOMETHING...any ideas on a few short bullets or questions that would be good to ask?

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Dilly ask him do you like competition? Do you like free markets? Or do you like government protected monopolies? HR 3200 promotes free markets for insurance in the exchange. Those insurance companies will really have to compete against each other and the public option in the exchange. They'll make money like real businesses and they'll have access to 50 million new customers who aren't insured now.

Their operating costs will be lower because a lot the denial of care bureaucracy they have now won't be necessary because those practices will in fact be illegal.

Their costs will also be lower because of the regulations mandating hospitals and doctors provide the best care not just the most care.

New electronic record keeping and standardized insurance forms will cut out a huge chunk of the bureaucracy. Tell him to support the VA system's open source VistA for that. It's the best in the world and will cut way down on medical mistakes that kill 200,000 Americans every year.

Drugs will also be cheaper (see below) The CBO predicts under HR 3200 by 2019 97% of Americans will have health insurance. Of that number 96% will be covered by for-profit private insurance and 4% will be in the public plan. It won't drive private insurance out of business. If you like the plan you have no you can keep it (or in most cases you boss can keep it.) But chances are you or your boss won't choose to keep the crappy expensive plan with few safeguards and ever rising prices to both of you. You'll both buy a new plan, probably from the same agent and company that's better and cheaper.

Tell him to reject the Baucus/Obama $80 billion deal with the drug companies too. Republicans love opposing anything Obama does. So ask him to support direct government negotiations of drug prices with big pharma. Canadians get much better prices than we do by doing that and they only have 30 million strong buying power. We have 330 million people. It'll cost the taxpayer, insurance companies and in the end the consumer of the drugs much less that way.

I'm not very good at making bullet points, especially in comments. Maybe I'll have to make another blog about it. But the point is HR 3200 operates on real free market principles and opens up the currently government protected rackets in insurance, hospital chains, drugs and doctors to more competition. It mandates minimum protections for consumers, you can't get booted off the rolls if you get sick, your premiums will stop skyrocketing, if you change jobs or start a business you'll still be bale to buy insurance because your pre-existing conditions won't exclude you.

HR 3200 cuts a lot of the fat and profiteering out of the system. That's how we pay for most of it. not by limiting care to seniors or "death panels".

Te CBO says it's deficit neutral. The cost is $1.042 trillion over 10 years. Most of it is paid for by the stuff above. The rest, $239 billion over 10 years will be paid for by the expiring Bush tax cuts (make sure you mention Bush tax cuts because indies and even many Repubs hate Bush now).

Hope that helps.

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And Dilly don't let him get away with calling HR 3200 socialism, government takeover, or comparing it to Canada's single payer or the UK government run hospitals.

If anything HR 3200 is more like the German and Dutch systems where they've had public/private options running successfully side by side for years.

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Dilly see my new blog "Selling HR 3200 to the Public" for more.

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Mark, thanks for the good news in an outstanding report. Yaaaayyyy!

Here is a better link to the cbs2 video. You might want to change the one in your original post, which only takes you to the video library. The video in question is then on page 3, which is not immediately apparent.

Use this url: http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=61602@wbbm.dayport.com

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Tnanks seashell.

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Great report!

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Nicely done, Mark. Thanks.

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"We've let the free market run health care for decades and they've set up a money making machine that forces us to pay twice what the rest of the world pays for the 37th best health care on the planet."

Great blog in general but this sentence really struck me. I am now memorizing it so I can use it in conversation. :)

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Please do. I have a new blog up with more facts on HR 3200. Please check it out. We need to sell the truth about this plan to our neighbors.

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I was at the town hall as well. This is a good summary.

I must add, however, that your arguments would be more persuasive if you didn't act like such a douchebag in public.

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I will add a couple of my own observations:

1. Biggert and Kirk were astonishingly unprepared and uneducated about the topic in general. I don't know if that's because they expected a republican audience (it was probably 3:1 in FAVOR of Obama), or because they are really that dumb, but neither distinguished themselves intellectually. And both, especially Biggert, acted like they wished they were anywhere else in the world other than the town meeting.

It was especially surprising given that Biggert is on the HELP committee. I have lived in Biggert's district during her entire time in office, but this was the first time I have seen her speak in public at any length. It made me wonder who is behind her because, quite frankly, the woman I saw on that stage is not capable of running a political campaign.

2. Mark Kirk is definitely in full Senate campaign mode. He has that smug, condescending attitude common to many Illinois suburban republicans. It was the first time I have heard him speak as well. All I can say is that, if that is going to be the tenor of his campaign, I am looking forward to the long and storied Senate career of Alexi Giannoulias. There is no way that approach is going to work in a blue state. There just aren't enough angry white people.

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I am not a douchebag I am an asshole. Please get your insults right.

Biggert's chief of staff is Kathy Lyden. She's sort of her alter ego. Say something Judy doesn't like and she yells at you. Bitter south side Chicago Republican. Biggert isn't stupid but she and Kirk have been mouthing these talking points for months now and I think you're right, they didn't expect to walk into a room full reform lovers at the Chamber of Commerce.

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