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LIVE BLOGGING (NOT INTENDED BY ME OR PLANNED): REPUBS TEA-BAGGING AGGRESSIVELY RIGHT NOW HEALTH CARE ON HOUSE FLOOR!


UPDATE:  TPM-TV did get a good bunch of this on film (nice going, TPM-TV!), and it was much worse, longer, and more tense live, though you sure get the idea from here: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/just_ugly.php#more?ref=fpblg
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ORIGINAL: Check MSNBC TV for example, which carries this live.

They are terrorizing the chairman, John Dingell, with never-ending objections.

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This is unbelievable.  They are mau-mau-ing the process.  It's the most twisted thing.

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Okay, this is not my venue or what have you -- no expert.  But what just happened is about 15 Democratic Congresswomen used the device of asking the right to advise and extend their remarks to INSERT a simple statement of sentiment, one sentence on why they say it's good for health care. 

Republicans were unbelievably aggressive in obstructing.

Now the Republicans are stating why they oppose it, in a short statement of sentiment.  Dems are being polite and quiet.  Repubs are abusing their short statements of sentiment by speechifying.  Dingell retaliating by charging Repubs
 for debate time.  Okay, now this is over.

Back to Dems who have 28 minutes left to talk.  Let's see how obnoxious Republicans are...

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Okay, the circus of earlier has calmed down greatly, so I'll sign off on this entry.  It was starting to look like they were going to bring Palin in to do some fancy pageant walking while they hung a big Hitler poster on the wall for a while, which is why I raised the alarm.
  
 

What's GOOD, BAD, and *VERY* GOOD from *NY 23*?


UPDATE: DO SEE THE *WILD* Lawrence O'Donnell video! You can bet that the Morning Joe people had words for him afterwards!

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GOOD that the good guys won.

BAD that it does not fully rouse up Palinesque wackaloons who would have had then *really* gone after e.g. moderate GOP Gov. Charlie Crist in Florida, even though they still partly will. Supposedly they have 12 candidates they're after in all; such is their death wish! (They already tried telling Klondike Barbie that NY 23 was a tricky district so she shouldn't upset the applecart: "Overreach THIS!," she intoned.)

GOOD that it still leaves R's divided.

BAD that they may still be more organized having managed to lose a seat that should have been child's play for them.

VERY GOOD, if they stick to this emerging meme: people need a role in selecting their nominees! Those guys who tried to do them a favor by putting forward Dede as electable can never get away with that again, is all! And that is the *compromise* position; everybody says it, from envenomated tea-baggers, to old-school walrus Haley Barbour.

Role in selecting? That means primary-ing their asses! And Republican primaries these days are howling nut fests! And Limbaugh & co. will be revving up those low-information voters about who are the real unelectable zealots who deserve their nitwit votes for nominee! So we'll be seeing more spinny-eyed Doug Hoffmans!

MSM has DELIGHTED in repeating Fox's asinine talking points, now CONCLUSIVELY *DISPROVEN*


Today's a good time to return to Howard Kurtz's October 25 hatchet job on the White House's policy on Fox News. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAwqRqPpccM  He gathered together an ex-Fox commentator Jane Hall, and some Psycho-Lady from Reverend Moon's reactionary Washington Times, and the three of them beat up on a game fellow "Nico" from Huffington Post.  Together they recited 16 talking points from Fox almost on cue, masquerading as discussion.  It honestly had the feel of very professional propaganda, just enough reality to make the bombardment of baloney seem credible.  Kurtz has been spreading the laughable tale BTW that Washington Times is "more legitimate than ever" now since some guy he used to work with at the Washington Post has prostituted himself by joining the Mooney Tunes.  Eager to saw of the limb upon he was already so pecariously perched, Kurtz apparently used that baloney to justify booking Psycho-Lady of all people!  His pal is a good chum, so Psycho Lady must be fair and balanced also!

The three of them ticked off Fox talking points on why WH strategy is bad, seriatim

PSYCHO-LADY:

(1) "because it's an attack on the media!", and (2) it's such big (and presumably harmful?) story for the White House that "other networks have to cover it!" 

JANE HALL:

(3) "have to differentiate between their commentators and their news." 

John Stewart did a great job (For Fox Sake!) of exploding this canard:  the "opinion" wackaloons spew their insults and, then the "news" team reports their agitprop as though news:   DEEP VOICE OF CONCERN:  "Many today are beginning to question," blah-blah. 

(4)"Not a good strategy for Obama Administration"  (This was repeated three times.)

(5) Obama should go on Fox's shows, including with their tawdry B-girl Chris Wallace


(6) They "don't know"  the difference between news shows and opinion.  That's right! "Don't know."  Yuh!

PSYCHO-LADY: 

(7) Obama talks to MSNBC-TV and that's wrong. 

(8) It's not at all like Bush/Cheney's 24/7 control of media access, since Olbermann is just the same as that great journalist Rush Limbaugh (I don't even undersand this but this is what the crazy Washington Times Psycho-Lady said). 

KURTZ: 

(9) Why it certainly *is* "Nixonian"  to dismiss the propaganda network, Kurtz helpfully concludes, supported by the others (dredges up idiotic quotes from misguided liberals). Veteran Nixon conman Ailes, now of Fox, personally came up with this talking point so enthusiastically recited by Kurtz. 

PSYCHO-LADY (up on her high horse): 

(10) What is really terrible is they are attacking the free press!  Repeats this insanity later also. We have already seen in this blog what passes for journalistic "freedom" in Murdoch propaganda mills.

KURTZ: 

(11)  Our host agrees with Psycho-Lady's sourcing for the important point above, and then,

(12) stokes the fire by bloviating about the Press-Pool incident, a cherished and endlessly repeated Fox News half-truth about a non-newsworthy non-incident.

(13)  It is fair to go after MNSBC-TV! (though, isn't it funny how they never say, "But on the other hand, unlike Fox's propagandist "news," they do have NBC News, and even with right-winger David Gregory moderating their now much-degraded Meet the Press?)

And HERE is the piece de resistance!  Kurtz declares, really unbelievably, that it is

(14) "unfair to judge an entire organization by a few commentaries." Read that again, it's a direct quote.   A few commentaries!  That was his conclusion, his sum-up!  LOL!

Does Fox even say that craziness?  I thought that their lie was that it is important to distinguish their propagandistic "news"  from their brownshirt commentary, no?  Did fair-and-balanced Howard outdo them in deceit? 

Meanwhile, Jane Hall used Chris Wallace's stock talking point (not, "Hey big boy!"),  (15) "you can't whine!" several times 

and (16) added Fox's trump card that supposedly decides the argument, "THEIR RATINGS HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER!" (Most say, "their ratings have shot up!") 

See, we have to accept that if Fox gets high ratings, and especially increased ones, WH simply must regard them as a news network since WH is then supposedly boxed in.   

Make any sense?   

Apparently this passes for logic among the MSM; they nearly all chimed in to endorse the non-sequitur.  The White House showed courage in saying the truth, and has shown rare leadership, even if it may be harmful to them in short term. We can be happy our children have a President prepared to face facts.  MSM has been cowardly, with most nearly as terrible as Kurtz.  Ratings might be how Fox would like to measure things, but the White House is not stupid: 

Either it is news or not, and it certainly is not news, not even if you drag out every last spinning-eyed Psycho-Lady from the funny farm!  But finally we learn that that last talking point is not only irrelevant, but like so much from Fox, 

it is also a lie!!  http://mediamatters.org/columns/200911030004  Fox's ratings are NOT up!  (You see, MSM?  That's is real reporting, you begin with facts!)  Meanwhile, the MSM has dutifully reported Fox's (a) disinformation and (b) sophistry on this subject, how often would you say? 

10,000 times around the world, estimating conservatively?  Thanks to Media Matters for being maybe the only pros.

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