The radio host's drowning torture video shows us graphically what we really got ourselves into.  Holy smokes!

 

And just one day after Cheeney's swaggering moment defending, dismissing, and giving courage to some Republicans while momentarily puffing himself up!  Is he finally going to get his old boss's job?  At approximately the same time as the drowning torture was being broadcast in Chicago, Cheeney's daughter was on morning TV lecturing Lawrence O'Donnell that it was no biggie and how her glowering Dad was a right peach.   That radio stunt ("Absolutely torture!") was bad timing for the resurgent Republican juggernaut all around; talk about point-counterpoint!

 

Janis Karpinski says don't listen to the malevolent curmudgeon - Abu Ghraib was no series of stray incidents but linked right to the Cheney torture memos.  That can probably be proven easily, by looking at who trained the Abu Ghraib soldiers and where did the trainers get their perspective (Karpinski says they were right there in the camp with her, BTW).  Cheeney's heroes, the CIA contractors who inflicted his "good" drowning torture will do a lot of finger-pointing if they are put in legal jeopardy, Karpinski adds.  No wonder he wants them protected!

 

By poking a sharp stick in the Dems' eyes, is Cheeney alienating people who'd normally be reluctant see a Veep investigated/prosecuted?  Could this start unraveling for him?   It sure was a cocky move demoting Karpinski, with those damning DoD memos floating around in addition to the disgraced DoJ handiwork.  Bush had to personally approve the demotion, and he obviously wouldn't have without Cheeney's okay.  They must have been feeling lucky.

I'm reading this in the press a lot.

Is that what you think?  No real difference?   Same as Bush?

If so, then *FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!!*

We did not bust our asses to hire this transformational leader
only to have a bunch of narrow-issue pissants try to tell us that
he is the same as the worst (or near worst) President we've ever had.
What a goddam disgrace!

It's not enough for you that he saved the world economy from kingdom come?
What has he done for you lately?

Not only is all that nihilistic, cynical, and intellectual dishonest, it is also morally
bankrupt and completely despicable. If that's what you're about, take a good look
at the hideous reflection in the mirror, you odious damnfool!

There's stuff on the main page and also in Muckraker to the effect that, "We know the government was interested in the Al Qaeda connection so maybe they tortured over it."

We oughtta cool it with that.  It's like saying we know Saddam would like to have a nuke so maybe he's got one nearly ready to go.  Key Cheney line:  "We can't exclude the possibility."
Yucch.

They had Overreaching rules saying they could torture but only in the ticking time bomb situation and if had they tried other things that didn't work.  *Maybe* they followed those screwy rules.  We shouldn't accuse fellow Americans of not following them unless we have evidence.  Saying we know they wanted info, or we know that some guy was at GITMO, or even that we know that Cheney would have liked to torture in violation of the mangled rules -- that ain't it.