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Is racism ever going to truly be gone?


Well I'm at it again. I tried to keep on good subjects but I thought this needed said'

  When pres. Obama won the election I thought it might have ended racism  a little but the first thing they show is a young african american saying that everybody would be keeping a close eye on him becouse he's african american. Well I agree I'm keeping a close eye on him not becouse of his race but becouse he's inexperienced(which is probably a good thing for a politition)

   But back to racism it will never go away. There are to many idiots in the world. I would truly love to thing it would but people on both sides always do things that other people use to provoke it.

      If a bunch of white kids start a riot it is only local news. If an african american says even the word riot its all over the paper. Its wrong but it sells papers.

  Why is it that a couple of years ago when we had that rash of school shootings all the kids they showed were white, But yet they say the african americans are the violent ones

 Now by my name here you should be able to tell that I'm white. I'm not racist but get really mad when all they do is show the bad people of a race and not the good. I mean do they really want everybody to think only african americans are in ganges and sell drugs and all the other bad stuff. Well I'm here to tell you its all races doing it.

    I hope I don't make anybody mad with this I just thought that after the attorney general called us all cowards it needed said.

   


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I do believe and hope that the younger generations will not suffer from this affliction.

Of course, there will always be those who have to find a rationale to tear some down in order to be superior. And too many find this easier than actually working towards and accomplishing something on their own.

No one (ethnic, religious, gender) group should be either exalted or damned, nor is one group superior or inferior to any other.

Racism (bigotry of any kind) is a synonym for ignorance.

Good post. Appreciate.

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Thank you, If it does end it will take work on everybodies part to beat down the ignorance

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Perfectly said, Red. What a beautiful post.

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thank you lisB coming from you makes it worthwhile

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I have to admit it is getting better. A little better all the time.

Younger people, according to polls I have read, do not carry the same bias that my parents did or my generation did after that.

People do not get away with saying the things they once said.

But we face our cowardice by bring up the subject in our writing.

And you have just done that.

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dickday its getting better but nowhere close to were we need it to be. Also I don't just write about it I talk about it also to anybody I hear make a racist remark. I hope everybody does

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redneck, talking directly to those who make racist remarks is one of the most effective ways to deal with racism.

Heartfelt post. Rec'd.

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thank you flowerchild, luckily it only gets physical half the time. But it works for me I can't stand for people to make racist remarks about anyone

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Just curious. Your expression that it "needed said," sounds like Pennsylvania. I love to place expressions, and I am just guessing, but if you don't mind responding to that, I am, as I said: curious.

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I'm origanally from the worst state in the United States(in my opinion anyway) Illinois

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Don't know anything about Illinois. I just try to match up expressions. So I have to expand my state list for that expression to Illinois. What state are you in now, if you don't mind my asking?

I'm in Virginia, which other than one year in Georgia (in high school) is the only actual state I've lived in, although I worked in DC for several years and I've spent some years overseas.

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Right now I live in kansas. Spent a few years living in texas. Then when I was in the service I traveled a lot. Did a year overseas.

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Wow, that's an expression? Initially I thought it was a typo. That's one thing I love about the internet: you get to encounter people from everywhere.

For what it's worth, I'm from South Carolina, and people giggle whenever I say "might should" or "might could."

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Redneck, thanks for putting your opinion out there. We all have to have the courage to take a deep breath and express our opinions, which are not always popular, but without having the courage to say what's on your mind, nothing will change.

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It's getting better, believe me. DD will bear this out - each of us can remember - in our lifetimes - that simply trying to vote in some parts of the US as a black man would mean taking your life in your hands.

Now we've elected a black president.

Is everything solved? No, not by a long way. We are, though, a lot further down the road to seeing it solved than we were earlier in my life.

A society this size does not change instantly. Once we get it moving in the right direction, though, that's how it tends to keep moving.

Every step in the right direction gets us that mcuh closer to where we want to be - we'll get there.

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No, it will never go away. All forms of prejudice will remain until the end. Ignorance is passed on like a family heirloom.

I am hopeful, however, that the election of Obama will make the majority of Americans raise their standards about who should be our leaders. I hope for a time when all elected officials are judged by their knowledge of current events, American and world history, how many languages they speak, the countries they have traveled to, and what efforts they have made to reach out to people who are not like them.


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VivaAmerica. I think your wrong about ignorance being passed on like family heirlooms. My dad was a very ignorant man when it came to racism. As you can tell I am not. He was so racist that at 12 years old he kicked me out of his house becouse I had a black friend come over. Haven't seen him since(My dad not the friend)

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Same here redneck. Same here. Daddy was a racist down to the bones.

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I agree with Viva. Too often it is passed down. It's just that in some situations it is rejected. Such is the case with you and DD.

Do I think it will ever go away? No, but I never thought I would see a Black man become President of the United States. So what do I know?

You're right though Redneck. We've come a long way but we still have a long way to go.

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I am not right in all cases, but ignorance is passed down as in it is learned from family and friend. I only have to recall the Palin rallies to prove my point. There were young people in that crowd showing the same ignorance as the parent standing next to them. That is why I believe racism or prejudice of any will never end. I'm a true optimist, but the facts are the facts.

There will always be ignorant people and they will influence others.

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(I am a white guy) Hope I don't make anyone angry here, but racism isn't going to end. I grew up in a fairly liberal household so far as black-white race relations go, my best friend as a kid was black, no problem from the family. I always thought that stereotypes were foolish and ignorant, remnants of old hatreds destined to die out. Then I moved to Atlanta. I moved into an apartment complex that was suprisingly cheap for the amount of space I got, of course I had only seen it during the daytime when I signed the lease. Of the 300 units in the complex, I was one of three white renters, the rest were about 90% black and 10% hispanic (mexican, central american).

(Side note: hard luck white folks end up in trailers, and hard luck black folks end up in apartment complexes. not sure why, but would not want to live in either of them.)

Funny thing about stereotypes, they come from somewhere. There were two driveby shootings, about a dozen "cops" style raids into apartments a couple street brawls, and yes my place was busted into. Funny thing happens about a year after I am there, the apartment complex hires on a spanish speaking manager. Within a year, the neighborhood changes to 70% hispanic and 30% black (and me and the other two white folk). Why the change? from the black folks who I talked to in the neighborhood, the sentiment was that they did not want to live around mexicans, so they moved out and the hispanics moved in. Is that racist? the neighborhood changed, no more "cops" style raids, no drivebys, yeah, there were 10 people in the 2 bedroom apartment next door. Crime in general went down, or at least underground, there was a definate whorehouse across the street made up of 6 hispanic ladies who would service the predominately male residents, MS13 would run drugs through the complex, but any violence that occered was internal and quiet. All in all, it was a great improvement.

Does this make me racist? Well I would never live in a black neighborhood again, not due to some hereditary bias but from my own experience. As individual people anyone can find commanality and get along, and I view any person of any background with the same respect.

There is a certain incongruity to racism. White folks, in general, will feel that it is wrong to judge anyone based on skin color, and will usually be somewhat ashamed if they do so. The same does not hold true for everyone. Again, this is my own experience, so feel free to refute me, but in general ask a black person how they feel about hispanics, or asians, or indians. Every type of person has thier own hierarchy. Talk to a person from senegal or anywhere in africa about how they feel about amrican born black people. Or a black haitian or jamaican. For some real fun, ask say a chinese person how they feel about japanese vs. thai or filipino. How about asking a Cuban how they view mexicans, or brazilians, or columbians.

My main point is that there is a lot of bias out there, it just seems like most of the guilt for feeling that way is on the white folks.

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I don't think it's so much about guilt as it is an awareness that racism is an inferior way of thinking. Racist impulses can surface in your mind in situations like you describe--when it seems like the easiest way to explain a person's behavior is to attribute it to their genes or blood.

And a lot of people don't mind doing this. My immediate family loves to talk about Mexicans like this--that they're lazy, horny, and unintelligent. Somehow that makes them feel better about the experiences they've had, the differences they perceived between Mexicans and themselves, and how they evaluate their own self-worth as "normal" or "good" white people.

So, in the sense that this thinking is morally wrong, guilt can seem appropriate. I find it more helpful, however, to recognize this thinking as intellectually dishonest and insufficiently thought out (I'm avoiding the word "stupid," but perhaps I shouldn't).

I'm no scholar of the dynamics of racism, but this is how things appear to me.

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I'm Black and there are neighborhoods I would not move into because of safety concerns. A friend and I often joke, the best reason for moving into an upscale White neighborhood is, the police response time is quicker:) I agree, many stereotypes do carry a certain amount of truth.

Personally, I don't think your remarks make you racist. I think they make you honest. If we could have more open and honest discussions and listen objectively, as oppose to emotionally, maybe we could work our way through it all. Thank you.

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Not all black folks down on their luck end up in apartment complexes. Not all poor whites end up in trailer parks.

Stereotypes come from people too lazy to learn the truth. It's easier to make a blanket statement and believe it to be true.

You claim you lived in an predominantly black apartment complex. You claim you didn't know that when you moved in -- as it was daytime when you signed the lease. (The black people who lived there only came out at night?) You stayed there for more than a year after you claim your aprtment was broken into, cops there constantly, street brawls, etc. (but you didn't get fed up and move out?) You claim Hispanics moved in and crime went down, but allude to the presence of a drug gang worse than the Crips or Bloods combined, MS13. That's okay with you 'cause it was whatever violence was internal and quiet? You were content with a whorehouse across the screet, and rampant drug dealing in your complex?

You say wouldn't live in a black neighborhood again, based on your experience, but can't see that your experience is limited, and assumes all black neighborhoods -- and black people -- are identical. You'll tolerate living in a crime-ridden Hispanic neighborhood, but not a black one? You say white folks in general won't judge someone based on the color of his/her skin, but you write a comment that based on nothing but judging people based on skin color. You work hard to apply your stereotypical prejudices to all people -- "just ask ___ what they think about ___."

Sorry, but your rationale makes no sense, other than you hold some very strange views. You asked the tough question, "Does that make me racist?"

Sorry, but I think it does.

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"I mean do they really want everybody to think only african americans are in ganges and sell drugs and all the other bad stuff."

Yes, as a matter of fact. I do think there's a nonconspiritorial group of interests out there that wants white America to believe that about black America.

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Oleeb I agree. They also want us to believe that every White person that mentions chicken in connection with a Black person is a racist. That nonconspiritorial group you mention is constantly stirring the part of divisiveness to keep us from joining together as one group standing strong.

(you can insert any stereotypical phrase for just about any ethnic group)

In my mind, we are being played and we are allowing it to happen. This group you mention takes what they know exist (racism) and uses it at every turn to keep us fighting one another.

One of the things that truly galls me. The word is thrown around so much, on a certain level folks have become confused about or oblivious to what racism is, or how it plays out. Many times when it does rear it's ugly hand, one group is told, you're being too sensitive and the other side is being told, you're not respecting my reality. While all this back and forth is going on, racism continues to go unchecked.

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We have made progress. I was raised in a terribly racist home, and although the same racist thoughts are present today, the words are no longer spoken. Until this election, I didn't realize the feelings were still there.

I never even saw a black person (except on t.v.) until I was in my mid teens. When I realized they were just regular people like me, except with a better tan, all the racist crap I had been taught went out the window.

We still have a long way to go, but at least we are moving and in the right direction.

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It will never go away because there will always be an endless supply of ignorance. But think about this: Before Barack Obama was elected, the world wondered whether America would ever be ready for an African-American president. Now the question seems almost quaint. I had a discussion with some friends the other night about Mexicans. They kept referring to Mexicans as "those people". I put up with it for awhile, but after the tenth or fifteenth ignorant insult, I finally lost it (I didn't read them out or anything, just told them I thought they were way off-base). I didn't convince them of anything, of course, but at least they'll keep their bigoted opinions to themselves when I'm around. And maybe someday they'll be as lucky as I've been, and they'll develop a friendship with a Mexican or two. Racism ends one relationship at a time, I think. It's a local thing.

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Great post, by the way.

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Just thought i'd mention you just made it to the top of the rec'd list at TPMcafé, Red. Great post!

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Yeah, Redneck. You rock. Tell your wife and kids that you've made an impression with the lefty eggheads around here. Your guileless honesty is much appreciated. And when I say guileless, I mean it in the most respectful way. You're a true mensch, my friend. I'd be proud as hell to buy you a beer and talk politics until they kicked us out of the place. Thanks for hanging in. :)

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Hrebendorf, I understand what you're saying but it always makes me nervous when people use the election as a barometer for shifting racial attitudes. A lack of bigotry, prejudice and racism was only one part of the equation as to why Obama was elected. Some people voted for him simply because he was Black, some because of the guilt that was mentioned earlier and some because they really felt he was qualified. We don't have anyway of knowing the breakdown or percentages of who did what and why.

A significant and historic moment in history for sure, but the idea is far from becoming the norm. If he screws up, I doubt if I will see another Black president in my lifetime.

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"Some people voted for him simply because he was Black, some because of the guilt that was mentioned earlier and some because they really felt he was qualified."

I hope you're not trying to suggest that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or any number of other black Americans could have served as equally successful substitutes, simply because they're black. Maybe some people did vote for Obama because he's black. If so, they're just as ignorant and racist as any other cracker on the planet. And Obama most certainly didn't win the election because he's black. He won the election because the vast majority of Americans believed that he was the most qualified candidate. More qualified than Hillary Clinton. More qualified than John McCain. More qualified than our current vice president. To tell you the truth, what you're suggesting sounds vaguely racist to my ear.

If Obama turns out to be a total loser (and I seriously doubt that will happen) I don't think it will have any effect whatsoever on the chances of future African-American candidates. Anyone who includes skin color in their decision-making process has already made up their mind about him. And that type of person is too damn stupid to vote anyway.

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No, that's not what is being said.

Had Jackson or Sharpton, or Carole Moseley Braun (or the late Barbara Jordan or Shirley Chisholm) or Colin Powell or Condi Rice (on the other side of the aisle) been as astute and as gifted politicians and leaders as Barack Obama, they might have gotten elected.

But what IS being said is that there are a lot of people who are USING the election of Pres. Obama to suggest that attitudes have changed and we're all living happily in this magical mystical post-racial, post-racist society, when that's not true.

Just as there were people who voted for Obama because he is black, there are some who voted for some of the other people I mentioned simply because they were black, too.

And do not be so naive to think that there were not people who voted for McCain because he is white, and voted against Obama simply because he is black.

And frankly, as gifted a politician as Barack Obama is, there are many other black politicians who could serve just as ably if the opportunity arose.

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Jade, from your photo, I'm assuming you have grey hair. So do I. But this post-racial world that we're living in is not philosophical--it's generational. Let go of everything you've learned. Your experiences are irrelevant. So are mine. Kids these days don't care about the struggles of their elders, just like the Boston Tea Party doesn't come to mind when you buy stamps. History dies with each generation. We're old farts, baby, and we need to hand it over to the stupid kids who will f*ck everything up next. That's the way of the world. And if that last sentence brings a song to mind, then you know what I'm talkin' about. I love you Jade, but you and I are old and in the way. History is not a renewable resource. Every generation is born into a whole new world. And thank God for that.

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The problem is we (you "old farts" and me) are not living in a "post-racial" world. And we can't -- and nor can young farts -- pretend that if we ignore "it," "it" will go away. Kids today DO care about race. They don't talk about it in quite the same way... but they do.

We don't need to fight the old battles in the same way, but we do need to realize that the continuing disparity on a wide range of issues -- from education to healthcare, from justice to income, and so much more -- is real and affects those young farts, and their parents and grandparents. And will affect their children and grandchildren.

We have a lot of work to do in this country and continuing to pretend we don't, that everything is just hunky-dory isn't going to work. If we want our kids to inherit a post-racial world, we need to resolve the racial part of it.

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Jade, Barack Obama is your president now. Unless I'm totally mistaken, in the world you and I grew up in, this would have been completely unimaginable. So here's my suggestion: let's abandon any old battles that no longer apply. Let's consider them won. And let's embrace the new world. I know it's hard to accept, Jade, but this really has been a silent revolution. Barack Obama is an insurgent. And he won. Just accept the miracle. Just believe in the change, because it's already happened. I understand your concerns. I grew up in the same world you grew up in. But that world is ancient history. It no longer applies.

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I don't see how I suggested that at all and you actually proved my point. Because there are many reasons people voted for him is the main reason placing too much significance on this being a watershed moment could be dangerous. We have come a long way of that there is no doubt but I don't want people to become too complacent in thinking that there isn't more work to be done because a Black man is in the White house. That wasn't meant to disparage or you or your post.

People vote for various reasons, not all of them make sense. That's the way it's always been.

We disagree on the chances of another AA becoming president. I know, he knows and many Black people know the pressure is on. We know the feeling of having to do twice as much, work twice as hard, be twice as smart to prove our worth. It's a reality for many of us in this society.

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havethoughtwilltravel, I appreciate what you're saying, but I fundamentally disagree with your basic premise. African-Americanism is not a valid consideration any longer. You may believe it is, and people of my generation may believe it is, but it's simply not. Racism is a concept that is on its way out the door, and your historical perspective (and mine) no longer applies. Let go of what you've learned from others and examine the situation on its merits. President Obama is a brilliant, competent man, and his racist critics are an endangered species. We are on the cusp of a brand new world, and our good president is proof of it. We don't need to fight past racism. Equality will outlive it's opponents.

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"President Obama is a brilliant, competent man,"

On this, you and I agree but I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree on racism being an endangered species.

I will admit, because of my age and background, it's not easy to let go and to be honest, it will always be a part of me. According to my mom one of my biggest flaws, I can forgive but not forget; she's right. However, my beliefs are not based on the past but the present.

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I love you for what you're willing to admit. But if racism is part of your world, you're a dinosaur. Kids these days don't care about race. What you and I believe doesn't apply. We're old history.

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Thanks for the recognition. I try to be honest with myself first and then others.

Depending on their ages, you could be right but there are a couple of generations between us and the kids. Y and Z give me hope, I'm on the fence with X. :)

1927-1945 - Silent Generation or Traditionalists

1946-1964 - Baby Boomers

1965-1983 - Gen X or the Busters

1984- 2002 - Gen Y or the Millennials

2003- Current Gen Z or the Digital Generation

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