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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on What was that about Social Security? by Lorne Guyland</title>
		        
			<published>2009-02-26T04:53:09Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, because I asked for help understanding what's going on here, I hate my fellow working man.</p>

<p>My problem is that BHO has been using the same vague and portentious language about SocSec needing to be "fixed" that has been the foot-in-the-door of the Concord Coalition crowd for years, and seemingly uncritically.  Sorry, but anything that gives David Brooks a hardon starts me a worryin'.</p>

<p>OK, so SocSec will soon start paying out more than it takes in; of course the demographic corollary is that it's been taking in more than it's been paying out for pretty much the whole working life of the Boomers, no?  Most of the estimates I've seen say that if SSA was a stand-alone retirement plan it would be in perfectly good shape well into the 2030's or 40's.  The real "crisis" is that in the much nearer term, SSA will have to start calling in it's debts to pay benefits -- i.e. cashing in it's T-bills, thus revealing the dirty secret that much of the government for decades has been funded by the super-regressive FICA tax, so as to keep regular income taxes, and the deficit, artificially low.  </p>

<p>Please correct me if I'm wrong about all this; I don't have much time to research it at the moment.  But if I'm not wrong, then we should stop saying that the problem here is with Social Security.  It's not.  The transparency and honesty Obama champions should go past conventional wisdom where CW is just an agreed fiction.</p>]]>
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	<title>Lorne Guyland recommended What was that about Social Security? by Lorne Guyland</title>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on TPMDC Sunday Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-02-02T04:32:04Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Excellent point re: the Census.  I would hope to God Obama would explore that subject thoroughly before hiring Gregg.  The Census is crucial to future politics, and has been skewed to help the rich forever.  </p>

<p>Personally I find Obama's bias so far toward bigshot legislators for executive positions somewhat troubling.  I'm pretty confident <i>he</i> has both skillsets, but that doesn't mean <i>they</i> do.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland Commented on Gillibrand&apos;s Record Shows She&apos;s True to the Blue Dog Creed by Elana Schor]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-24T07:45:31Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>It's really a shame when our best hope is to bet that none of Gillenbrand's votes or positions are based on principle.  I really think my state could have done a damn sight better.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on 50-State Strategy to Shrink by brbuchwal</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-18T05:10:03Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting how the video itself isn't linked; and the crucial phrase "scaled back" is <i>outside</i> the quotes.  </p>

<p>Thus bullshit grows its wings.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland Commented on Americans don&apos;t like expensive inaugurations by truthseeker77]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-18T04:52:58Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Of course, I'm also sure people in the DC toursism industry would at least privately disagree with Fenty.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland Commented on Americans don&apos;t like expensive inaugurations by truthseeker77]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, I heard Adrian Fenty today saying DC is, at least somewhat, recession-proof, being a company town for Uncle Sam, Inc.  </p>

<p>It's a city with plenty of poverty, but it's much less reliant on industry than, say, Cleveland; or on trade than, say, New York.  </p>

<p>That said, I suspect that survey is more or less bogus.  People are always going to favor frugality in the abstract, but we're all suckers for pomp & circumstance.  </p>

<p>Personally, as long as Obama is secure and nobody gets hurt (or dies of frostbite) in the crowds, I don't care what they spend.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland Commented on How &apos;bout a shoutout for the ferry guys?! by Lorne Guyland]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-18T04:43:38Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Oh, but I don't think any of them were forewarned of the approach or anything.  It all happened insanely fast.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Actually, one other piece of incredible luck in the whole thing was that there wasn't a ferry right there in the path of the plane.  The accident apparently happened when all the crews & ferries were up & running for the evening rush, but before the high volume of runs.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Hail to the Captain by LisB</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-17T22:04:31Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hail also to the Ferry Captains.  <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/lorne_guyland/2009/01/how-bout-a-shoutout-for-the-fe.php" rel="nofollow">I elaborated here.</a></p>]]>
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	<title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland recommended How &apos;bout a shoutout for the ferry guys?! by Lorne Guyland]]></title>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Election Central Morning Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I guess I just find Blago much less interesting than you do.  I don't find him worth Adams' time (or Finley's or Sellars' for that matter). </p>

<p>Blago's brazenness and delusion is entertaining, but in the end I don't find him tragic, or even all that evil, so much as venial and pathetic.</p>

<p>Like I say, maybe a minor character, comic relief in, say, the inevitable <i>Obama</i> opera?</p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Election Central Morning Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I suppose you're saying Blago is "radioactive," but you're really being unfair to Robert Oppenheimer, who was a fascinating and brilliant man.  Blago in my opinion doesn't even rise to the level of a Scarpia -- maybe some minor Donizetti character...</p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Franken Camp To Coleman: Cut Out The Delays by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>He <i>knows</i> he has no chance.  This is just spite, combined with a desire on the part of national Repubs to do everything they can to hamstring Obama and the Dems.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on GOP Surprisingly Nervous About Texas Senate Seat by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>So beyond the Senate-seat speculatio, what's Hutchison's game here?  Is she that at odds with Gov. Blowdry?  My impression has always been that the Tex Gov job is in reality much less powerful than a Senate seat, and she's possibly a little old to be eyeing a Presidential run -- assuming it's in 2016 when she would have been Gov for a decent period, she'd be in her 70s.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Election Central Morning Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Amen, Stroszek.</p>

<p>Still, Boxer isn't doing CK any favors with shit like that.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Election Central Morning Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Actually it's <i>three</i> times in three weeks.  Easier when you have money, yes, but still a pain in the ass, esp for the girls.  </p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>exactly.  On both the housekeeper and the 1040's, in the end there's just not much "there" there.</p>

<p>The Repubs are seeking to delay things because that's what they do.  It's all they have to offer.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>It's partly the seriousness of the times and partly the triviality of the offenses.  </p>

<p>The tax thing is extremely arcane, and he's already made full restitution with interest.  The housekeeper stuff is just as arcane -- he apparently <i>did</i> check her I-9, but didn't save a copy; and AFAICT he paid the proper payroll tax.  She was legal when he hired her, then her visa lapsed; that happens to thousands of RI's every year, often through no fault of their own.  I thought the Zoe Baird thing was fairly silly, but there she arguably engaged in a form of tax evasion -- basically paying her help "off the books".</p>

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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Wyden Predicts 65-70 Votes For Broad Health Reform by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I have the same reaction -- until I think about how many different doctors and agencies (schools, for starters) have had some form of my health records, and how easy it would be to break into any one of their files.  It's dizzying, and I'm a fairly healthy 30-something.  </p>

<p>All kinds of sensitive information is stored on servers and zapped through the web constantly these days.  It should be possible to create relatively standardized model that's also secure, and drag our health IT out of the 19th Century.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Lorne Guyland Commented on More House Members Stand Up to Israel Than in &apos;06 by Elana Schor]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Buchanan's status as a racist, reactionary blowhard doesn't preclude him from being right on occasion.  However I always thought that quote was of limited use: Congress (and the US elite press) is actually <i>Likud</i> occupied territory. </p>

<p>The fact is that the permissible range of opinion in the <i>Israeli</i> press and the Knesset is <i>much</i> broader than in the US Congress and mainstream press.  Here <i>everybody</i> seems to have to be Bibi Netanyahu, so they can claim to be a "friend of Israel".  Of course that's bullshit; any rational consideration of Israel's long term interest -- indeed it's long term survival -- lands one squarely in Jimmy Carter territory, which in US politics gets you accused of anti-Semitism.</p>

<p>This does Israel no favors -- it strengthens the Israeli right's hand far more than their actual appeal at home would.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Election Central Saturday Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>well, right now it's "3 to 4 million", but IIRC back in November it was <b>2</b> million, so yeah, the figure has risen along with the country's desperation.</p>

<p>But I suspect others are right wrt the target figure; even in hindsight, noone will be able to put a number on it -- esp. since most of the jobs are supposed to be in the private sector, so by definition they'll be created <i>indirectly</i>.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on The Clock is Ticking... by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>An Off-topic request:</p>

<p>Can people <i>please</i> take a moment and update their TPM profiles with a userpic?  It's really quick and it really helps the conversation if folks have their own avatars.  It's just hard to follow a discussion amongst an undifferentiated army of 18th-century scribes or whatever that guy is supposed to be.</p>

<p>Thanks.  As you were.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>An MSNBC executive has announced...</blockquote>

<p>Huh?  Tweety can't make his own damn announcement?</p>

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		    <title>Lorne Guyland Commented on Reid And Durbin: No Seating Of Burris Yet -- But We Really Like Him by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>As the Daily Show pointed out last night, Burris would be, sad to say, far from our most embarrassing Senator.  It's fast becoming apparent that politically, as well as legally and morally, the best course is to get it over with and seat him.  </p>

<p>In the end Burris's argument wrt his appointment is unassailable:  He personally hasn't been credibly charged with corruption; Blago's appt is, however annoying, legally binding; and Illinois deserves two Senators.  (Burris has been smart in disavowing racial arguments and keeping his focus on the legal and fairness issues).  </p>

<p>It'd be nice if Burris pledged not to run in 2010; barring that, IL Dems need to make sure someone better (and more electable) wins the nomination.  Meantime, keeping him out is a losing course in every dimension -- legal, moral, and political.  Get it over with already.</p>]]>
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