Give Back or Shut Up
Open letter to the rich:
Yeah, you who make over a million per year, whether by base salary or dividends or stock options up the wazoo.
You.
It's great that you made it so far. I'm proud for you. I give you a slap on the back. How nice that you belong to YPO and whatever other Who's Who you belong to.
How nice that you feel you're giving to society by paying a gardener and a nanny and giving to charity once a year for tax purposes.
Yay for you.
How nice that you can have all the right connections and accountants and PR folks who can help you find loophole after loophole while also giving you a local rep's ear.
Way to go! You got rich! You proved that America is still America, because it's all equal opportunity and anything goes!
You can now influence lobbyists, if you're not already one yourself, and you can influence where the money will continue to funnel through to other like-minded friends you may have. You can now voice your opinions about finance and the economy without even having to open your mouth.
Does it not bother you when you're driving into Manhattan for yet another meeting and you see, out of the corner of your eye, someone sleeping on the street?
Does it not bother you when you're reading the WSJ and Crain's NY to see all the fancy graphs and charts showing how inequitable America's income has become?
Does it not bother you when you look at the G&A costs in your company and you decide you must fire one A/P clerk in order to keep ordering unnecessary supplies?
Because it should. It should.
If it doesn't....it will.
I, for one, intend to make sure of that.
Never thought I'd be a socialist, but there it is.













You and Flower and Missy....and others...hoppin mad.
Well maybe that is good. We just keep writin and bothering our reps and the big committee guys and gals.
A little anger is maybe good.
A LOT OF ANGER MAY BE BETTER.
HAHAHAHAH
August 16, 2009 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bwak will give us pitchforks. I think we should use them.
August 16, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what exactly are you angry about? That some people are more successful than you? Is that their fault or yours? Don't you think some people might think the same about you? What are you giving to help others? What share of your income do you pay? What is enough? Why do you think others should pay astronomical sums to live in this country, while others get by on the cheap? I'm sick of your envy and greed and the class warfare you advocate.
August 17, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. Then don't read my posts.
August 17, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lis,
You won't convince rich people. You might convince Congress. I say, put your energy there. They might need another FAX in the morning.
I can't rec this, mostly because there are many fine posts up today, previous ones of yours included.
August 16, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Understood, Ripper. Other posts need the recs more than my rant full of angst. I just had to get it off my chest.
I'll sleep better for it.
August 16, 2009 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear Ye! Hear Ye!
Revolution! Uprising!
Let them eat dirt!
All that glitter and yet no shine!
Okay, later..... (obviously time for my meds!)
August 16, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms Bachmann, you're on the wrong site, I think.
August 16, 2009 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey now....Auntie Sam don't have Crazy Eye. I can vouch for that.
August 16, 2009 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, actually - the 'eyes' have it! (heh heh)
Thanks - if he doesn't apologize, the pitchfork I still have from bwak may be needed!
August 16, 2009 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, you've crossed the line. Say you're sorry! Don't make me break your hat!
August 16, 2009 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the record, even while I'd like a revolution or two, I'm not the one urging an uprising and making them eat dirt.
Oh, and Lis - what about those who fall right in between the magic no-tax $250K and $1 million?
Should they give back to the people or just to Joe Biden?
:-)
August 16, 2009 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, strange apology.
August 16, 2009 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well there are a class of people that steal from the poor and middle class to amass power and wealth and you can bet that they do it intentionally so they don't seem to be feeling it.
But you tell me the plan and I'll join you in changing that story:)
August 17, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I'm a socialist, too. I don't mind paying taxes.
August 17, 2009 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
During the Eisenhower administration the top tax rate was 91% for income over $200,000. Why has this changed so drastically? Is the question simply obvious? Before money owned politicians, were there any of the wealthy who simply acknowledged that they made their money on the backs of the working classes, so it was their duty to pay high taxes? Now 35% is deemed too high, so the wealthy can bank in secret offshore accounts and pay zero taxes. Or take advantage of the tax loopholes to pay less. Yup, it's a rigged system, and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.
The new figures on the increase concentration of wealth shocked so many. Why? What wealth is left in a middle income-taxpayer-bailout recession cum-depression?
I am sick of listening to asshats like Trish Regan and Maria Bartiromo on talking-heads programs, as though their economic "expertise" (hah!) gives them any credibility in talking about real politics! Their sole interest is Wall Street and GDP, and we know that GDP numbers have zero relationship to US--working people, or retired people. Unless you believe in trickle-down economics, which they do, and this administration still does, all rhetoric to the contrary.
Screw it.
August 17, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Solely from an economic and efficiency point of view, having everyone chip for the greater good makes more sense than an "every man for them selves" model. This has been shown through out history. However it really does not work in ALL situations and for all aspects of life.
I have been thinking about this in respect to health care especially.
Health care is a dynamic system in that the requirement can change radically in a matter of minutes. Normally the need for all the expertise and technology is very low.
But when some disaster or epidemic strikes this can change instantly and may even overwhelm the facilities and personnel.
Our current system handles neither situation very well.
Case in point. I was hospitalized with appendicitis and had emergency surgery a while back. A few years before I was also admitted for chest pains and some tests. In both cases the one thing that struck me was how un-busy the ER and progressive care unit was.
However I am not so sure how well either unit in two different hospitals would handle a massive influx of patients. In this immediate are we have only one level one trauma unit. Yet we have seven (7) hospitals with a VA hospital being built.
This model seems to me very inefficient at best. Rather like having a bevy of mechanics at you call in case your engine throw a rod.
We need a whole new mode for health care. Also a whole new model for business as well.
C
August 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know how the ER handled it by me.
They added a snack bar.
August 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lis, I don't consider myself a Socialist in the traditional sense of the word, however, as time goes by I am finding myself in favor of a new, American form of Socialism. In this new form, we would identify those things that we deem "necessary for life" and make sure ALL citizens have access to them. Food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security are steps towards this goal. I do not see how anyone could consider any of these programs to be anything other than socialistic, so the idea that health care for all would be terrible because it is socialistic is ridiculous.
I still am not wedded to any particular path to get us to the goal of everyone having access to health care...but I do not want to see one more family have to chose between medicine and food, or health care and keeping their house...This is America, for God's sake. No one in this country should EVER have to make that choice.
Fix it, ICEHOLES! I don't care how you do it, but frickin' fix it.
August 17, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's the rich who are causing this problem, then who are those crazies disrupting the townhall meetings? I don't think it's likely (do you?) that the rich folks would be out there screaming their fool heads off, embarrassing themselves on tv. Who are those people?
Maybe you should go talk to them, Lis, and convert them to your brand of revolution. Maybe they just need a little change of direction.
August 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "crazies" are being organized and funded by the rich in essence; the Corporations of Insurance, PhRMA, and the obstructionists in the Senate and House who have validated such flamingly untrue rhetoric. The "crazies" are enjoying organizing for insurrection, and health care is just a convenient target. They have always hated government, and rules and laws and taxes they believe obstruct their "freedoms," whatever those are.
The Republicans, by and large, simply want to derail Obama's Presidency; they don't care about the effects of their votes any more; it's all politcs, all the time. And the same goes for the MSM and the pundits. Who ever asks anymore, "What is the right thing to do?" Everything is framed in terms of politics being understood as a zero sum game: either you win, or we win. All Republicans speak from the same memos, in this case it's been Frank Luntz's memo. Dems get their own memos, and the politicians who are worth anything think and speak on their own.
The "crazies" don't want to learn anything, they claim to kow everything already worth knowing from Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh.
And sadly, Obama helped stoke their anger further with his appointment of some of the worst of Wall Street's major figures as his economic team. Oh, yes; he also fueled my anger with those plays!
August 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for you Lis. Maybe if we are as mad as tea baggers or the crazies at town meetings Obama will throw us a bone. Stranger things have happened.
August 17, 2009 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rich are good at rationalizing. Actually all people are. Many rich actually dont see themselves as rich!
And did you catch that shocking WaPo front page story on some lady who is "barely getting by" on $300 grand??
No joke. I almost spit out my coffee.
Cue the violins:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081502957.html
August 17, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who can't "get by" on $300K a year should be hanging out at a rally in AZ, where all the guns are.
Seriously, though....I mean, come on!
I'll never see $100K a year, and I get by. I live paycheck to paycheck, mind you, but I get by. I eat. I can even afford to have two cats. I don't go to restaurants, movies, expensive stores...but I get by. I went to one concert this year (The Decemberists at Radio City Music Hall -- they rawked!). I took one trip out of New England this year, to Chicago -- it rawked. It rawked so much I'm doing it again, even though it sets me back some.
Thanks to a friend of mine in the chat room, I just read tonight about the wife of the President of Goldman Sachs....she had to wait on line for a shopping spree in the Hamptons over the weekend, and she screamed about it.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08052009/gossip/pagesix/goldman_sachs_wives_hate_to_wait_183044.htm
Puh-leeze? Oy.
The top execs at Goldman-Sachs apparently want to stay out of the limelight for the rest of the year, while they await their golden bonuses.
Heh....good try.
August 17, 2009 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do find it obscene reading stuff like that when I'm stepping over homeless people every day and even lately see some folks rooting through our dumpsters for usable items. Lately the one panhandler has been joined by competitors on his corner. This is a freaking sad country sometimes. Maybe these rich jackals can toast their Moet to the street people?
August 17, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe these rich jackals can start having a conscience, or a soul.
Wouldn't it be nice?
August 17, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you! :-)
August 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, Stilli....so true.
Maybe it's time for a commune in Canada.
Who's with me?
August 17, 2009 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What part of Canada? I'm only a few hours away from Yukon, Canada.
And the exchange isn't bad now!
August 17, 2009 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You hunt out some nice farmland for us all, and keep me posted. ;)
August 18, 2009 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not a problem. Think 5 acres will be large enough? Let me know.
August 18, 2009 1:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look...I am not a religious zealot...at all....however I love the quote from Saint Paul "Be subject to one another..."
That is the gig. We should take care of each other. We can do it. The government at its best is the spirit of that. We are trying to look out for each other. We shouldn't look at as something we are forced to do...we do it because it is the right thing.
I live in the mid-west and while it is far from perfect it is a lot less crazy than it may seem to people who have never been here. I don't want to brag, but the state I am from may have just been responsible for the election of the President and it just voted to allow gay marriage a couple of months ago and I think it is going to stick.
I am pretty sure I have seen a few people around here being subject to one another...yep..I am almost certain. Ok....now I am just bragging.
August 18, 2009 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I think it's a great thing that you have much to brag about. Right on.
See, your comment is just spot on, because to me it IS a matter of us all just doing right by each other. What is so wrong with that concept? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. But ask the right to do by others, and ask certain people of wealth to do right by others, and they get all bent out of shape. It's crazy.
August 18, 2009 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are at a bit of a tipping point I feel. There is this moment in history where we have a perfect storm. The Bush administration provided the unique conditions for an intelligent, ethical and moral administration to move the ball forward. The corrupt powers that be are going to fight mightily against this progress and that is going to look chaotic at times. I am just trying to keep the faith.
I think that if our administration hangs tough, they are about to do some "right by others".
August 18, 2009 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put, Tim: "A perfect storm." You could, and should, write a blog based on that alone. Once this country sleepily allowed Bush and Cheney, et. al., to push the envelope and get away with it, it prompted all the corporate baddies and lobbyists to do the same...
Only if we correct the course of our ship NOW will we have a chance to get things back to rights again.
My feeling, anyway.
August 18, 2009 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
We agree. Except that I don't think Bush and Cheney pushed the envelope....they dropped a weapon of mass destruction on it. Now that their administration is history, we do get to watch them eat each other alive with sensational book after sensational book exposing all the crap that went on and back stabbing each other in an effort to rehab their rep. (whew...I needed to say that)
That doesn't make it all worthwhile, but it is the best we can get.
August 18, 2009 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to think that perhaps someday, we may get more. Like.....a trial.
But, yeah. I doubt it too.
Again, Norseman, I strongly urge you to write a blog post. You make a lot of sense and fit right in here.
If not that, then why not read and follow some of my good friends here? I'll get a big head if you just keep following me and no one else, LOL....
August 18, 2009 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lisa...I just finished a blog. I am not sure it is even visible to anyone. If you get a chance take a look and give me advice. I would really appreciate it.
I will follow some of your recommendations for sure. I am just starting to figure this out. Thanks for all of the responses. I am fascinated with politics. It fires me up to hear what others are thinking. Rachel Maddow was particularly good tonight.
Thanks.
Tim
August 18, 2009 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cool!!! I'll go check it out. Yeah, Rachel is awesome and I wish my cable company hadn't cut off MSNBC for no reason in particular. I watch her online, though, when I can.
August 18, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Between Rachel, John Stewart and Colbert...I can just about get all of the affirmation I need.
August 18, 2009 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink