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Ms. Lis on Dating


After Stillidealistic's semi-recent post about online dating, I decided to try it on.  Hoping, of course, that one size doesn't fit all.

So I joined eHarmony three weeks ago.

As some background information, for those of you who don't know me, I broke up with a live-in boyfriend a year ago and I've been enjoying living alone ever since.  But, as I admitted to Stilli one night while chatting, I've been sort of missing that nice pleasant feeling that comes with walking hand-in-hand down the street with a guy who's taking me to see a show, or out to dinner, or (insert pretty music, here) along the beach...

So Stilli talked me into trying eHarmony for a month.

Well, I'm sure she would've liked it better if I'd joined for a year, but they want your money all up front.  So I went for the more expensive one-month option.

I spent over an hour answering all the questions in their website questionnaire, then created my "profile page" and uploaded my good ole orange avatar that you all get to see day after day, and then I logged out and hoped for the best.

Within days I'd seen every Tom, Dick, and Harry in my home state, plus a guy from Canada, a guy from Virginia, and at least 10 guys from Pennsylvania pop up as potential matches in my home page.  It was Canada and Virginia that made me narrow down my search.

After two weeks of studying my matches and trying to use the canned "questions/answers" system to contact those I felt a little interested in, I was approached by a guy who lives only two towns away and he suggested I use "Fast Track", where you get to private message the person outside the suggested (canned) Q&A slow track system.  I was all for that, so we started messaging.  He seemed nice, he was in his early 50's, owned a company, and was 6'1".  For me, being 5 foot nine and a half, height is important.  Well after messaging back and forth, all free-style, he eventually called me and we seemed to hit it off over the phone well enough, so we talked one more time and then met up for a date.

This guy was kind enough to meet me at a local bar/restaurant around the corner from my house, but decided early on that it didn't have the right ambiance so he asked me if he could take me 10 minutes away to HIS local bar.  Other than the fact that he wore too much cologne, I could sense nothing wrong with the man, so I agreed.  We then had one of the most fun evenings I've had in a long time.  His local pub was Irish, the crowd was really cool, they allowed smoking (somehow, I don't really know how, but they did) and after we'd been there for an hour a band walked in and proceeded to play Irish jigs on pipes, drum, fiddle and guitar.  My date won two games of pool and we both had a great time and I thought to myself:  This is awesome.

We finally had to say goodnight and that's where it gets a little odd because he decided he was not able to drive me home and he invited me to stay at his place.  I, of course, said no, and told him I'd be happy to call for a cab and I was willing and able to pay for it.  He refused to let me pay for it and gave me cash and a long passionate kiss when the cabbie showed up.

My date also said he wanted to have me over for dinner the next night, at his place -- he'd cook, which is a huge plus, since I don't really cook very well -- and off I went into my carriage, er, pumpkin, er cab, feeling rather happy and pleased.  

The next night rolls around and.....no phone call.  Nada.  Nothing.  No email, no phone call, no nothing.  So, I go to bed disappointed and slightly worried and slightly wondering if maybe this guy is a flake.

The next day, which happened to be Valentine's Day, I get a phone call at dinnertime, and it's HIM, and he says he's sorry for not calling the night before but he had to work late to keep an important account of his.  I forgave him instantly, of course, and when he asked me if I wanted to meet up in about 2 or 3 hours for another date, I readily agreed.  He said he'd call me back between 8 and 9 to firm up our plans but he really needed to eat dinner first.  I said fine, I would look forward to his call.

Well, three and a half hours later, I was still left hanging high and dry.  Four hours later, and I was no longer willing to give this man the time of day.  A week later, after our first -- and only -- date, I still haven't heard a word from him and I want nothing to do with the bastid.

So much for that.

But then, I start looking back on that entire evening a week ago, and I realize that I made a lot of concessions and diplomatically overlooked a lot of his shortcomings, and I say to myself....."Self?  He was a right asshat, altogether, now, wasn't he?"  And my self agrees.  And I say to myself...."Self?  You should not be making concessions for right asshats like that right from the git-go, now should ye be?"  And my self agrees.

It's nice to be nice, don't get me wrong....but when it comes to dating and meeting a potential life partner, one really has to be careful and not get carried away with the desire to be "wanted" or "loved".  One should always keep one's head.

Which is why, when I meet my new match on Sunday, I'm going to keep my head about me, and stay smart and discerning.  

I just thought I'd share that with you all.

Oh, and did I mention this new guy is funny as hell, handsome, and six foot three??



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Smart and discerning LisB. And I am working on my spelling and I am glad you are happy tonite. And I always like to see a little bit of you in your blogs. And I always do.

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Good luck out there, Lis.

(Pity you're not in the Midwest...)

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Aww, Dickday, thank you, and yes, I'm very happy about this one. And I will follow the good advice I've received from friends like you (and me self) and use my head.

Old Grouch, were I in the Midwest near you, we'd be married already. Smooch.

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I'm still curious, though, as to why eHarmony keeps sending me matches that are 5 foot 4 to 5 foot 6.

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Because short guys need love too!

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My experience is that I'm more like Adonnis online but end up being more like Brian Dennehey in real life...

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Dennehey has a twinkle in his eye, and in his smile, that always makes me feel happy, so...I would not complain if I were you.

Think back to his alien role in that great Ron Howard film about the old folks' home.....he was a right sweetheart, was he not?

I'd rather have a Dennehey than an Adonnis anyday.

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You should see him The Belly of an Architect.

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I come across as a toad online, but I'm really more of a salamander.

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Have fun with it. Always be honest. Listen to your instincts.

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Thanks, Gary, I will. I can honestly say that I think I've learned my lesson.

Cuz I have to admit, things bothered me on that date. He used the bathroom for 10 minutes at a time, three times, and when he came out he seemed more wired. I started thinking he was snorting, and I still wonder about that.

I mean, I'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt....maybe he's got a prostate issue....ya know? But then we also had little head-butts in our conversation that I ended up backing out of, in regards to politics. Turns out he was a Republican, and hey, I have an open mind, but...he kept trying to needle me into being sorry for being so political. And I refused.

Other than those two things, and the cologne, though, he seemed an okay kinda date. But deep down I knew I could do so much better.

I'm actually happy now that he stood me up.

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I'm actually happy now that he stood me up.

On Valentine's Day.....da bastid.

I guess my point is, here, that I saw little warning signs that rubbed me wrong, but I was willing to give it the "give and take" that is needed, sometimes. But in the long run, the more you see those little warning signs on a first date, the more you have to pay attention to them.

Everyone is on their best behavior, usually, on a first date. Looking back, I don't think this guy was on his best behavior. I'd hate to see anyone use a dating service, hoping for the best, and getting something that's not quite up to par, but settling for it.

And part of me wonders, if he had called back on Valentine's Day night and met up with me, would I have continued to ignore those weird little warning signs?

I'd like to think I wouldn't have.

So, I'm just saying as a word of warning to everybody, male and female: Be true to thine self.

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Just be careful, okay?

Getting to know someone through the words they speak and the opinions they hold can be enlightening. Slow and steady, with no preconceived objectives. Such as what transpires through a site like TPM - or anywhere you're likely to find others with whom you're comfortable.

But when dating and the possibility of romance and sex (not necessarily in that order) are the whole purpose behind the conversation ... well, just be careful.

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Thanks, Missy, and I agree with your fears. I don't think the guy I met last week would've had any problems with the situation if we'd ended up in bed.

What I like about the new date this coming Sunday is that he made clear that he would have problems with that. He's been chased by Cougars (he didn't call them that by name, but I knew what he meant by his description of his two previous dates) and he made it clear he doesn't want that sort of thing.

He and I were actually both surprised that people wanting sex right away are running rampant on eHarmony, LOL. We both were under the impression it was the safe and Christian place to go.

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Not that either of us is Christian, I just think it's funny that eHarmony is.

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Ah, Lis. What does being Christian or otherwise have to do with sex? He sounds nice, and I'm not one to discount the possibility of love over the intertubes - you know that. Actually, I'm all for it. My one stop sign? Going too fast ... but you're a smart lady. Have fun!

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Thanks, and actually, it was a joke, the christian thing. A poor one at that. But still....the Cougars surprised me. I didn't know I had them as competition until recently.

I'd like to think the warm heart and smart brain will beat them out.

;-)

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Competition? C'mon, Lis. Give yourself the credit you richly deserve. When the love you're waiting (not looking) for comes along, the one that makes you know that the wait was more than worth it - you'll laugh at the very thought. Because you will feel the kind of connection you never thought possible, and the certainty of forever. Sounds impossible, doesn't it? It's not, Lis, it's not. Don't ever settle for less.

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(Gets bag of feather, a vat of tar, and goes out looking for da bastid)

ACK!

(feathers very ruffled)

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...things bothered me on that date. He used the bathroom for 10 minutes at a time, three times, and when he came out he seemed more wired. I started thinking he was snorting, and I still wonder about that.

I think you're right. Definitely a cautionary note, if not an outright warning.

Those little voices in our heads are there for a reason - for most of us, anyway.

Be careful, Lis.

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And on that note, I will rec my own post. :)

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Second date at his house and he will cook dinner? That's a thinly veiled booty call girlfriend.

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'Specially for those of us who can, in fact, cook.

(truly evil grin...)

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Yeah, and the able to drive you there but not able to drive you home or at least to Bar 1, that bothered me, too.

If I may add a thought here about your approach, I think you -- for valid reasons -- tried to shorten the process. My guess is these need more email time so more of the real person emerges.

Or maybe more of the fraud evolves? Just expressing motherly concern. Good luck.

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LisB, I actually met a gal online once and flew to meet her. It was scary coming into the airport, wondering if there was gonna be anyone there to pick me up. I had a backup plan, of course.

I had been talking with her online for a year or so, and I decided I'd fly up and spend the week at her place. She was super nice and I actually enjoyed the experience. It was what I needed at the time. We've lost touch through the years and I wonder how she is doing now. Guess I'll never know, but I hope she has found someone who is good to her.

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Lissy,
I know this sounds corny, but I met my prince charming on Match.com. I was very, very cautious and talked to him for almost 6 months before we actually met. (I figured if he was just out for a piece, he would give up after a months or so).

He was the sweetest, most chivalrous gentleman I had ever met. They are a dying breed let met tell you.

August 13, 2006 our Wedding Day :)

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Adorable Mage, belated congrats :)

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Thanks Dij,

I really think meeting people online is a great thing. So much better than the old way because you get a chance to find out more about who people are (personality wise) before you actually meet them.

You can't do that meeting someone at the library, bar, gym, grocery store or being "fixed up" by a friend.

I think online dating gets a bad rap. It is not like even close to being the newspaper personal ad section, yet people seem embarrassed to try it as if it is.

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And I know two happy couples who met that way as well.

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LisB, when you go out with somebody you meet like that, look for every little way they try to bend you to their will. If the person insists on buying you a drink or taking you someplace else or whatever, even tiny things, file it away as if you were a job interview and you could see the person was trying to manipulate you. Early signs are usually always available - and people who are considerate and not trying to see how far they can push you and be in control are very different from the people who try, even in little ways, to bend you to their will, as I said above.

I'm sure you know all that. And I totally understand how much anyone wants to find that right person. But don't cut a stranger slack. Not in the dating dept!

That's my friendly advice. And I stand ready to listen to any future dates or whatever. I knew someone once who was asked on a date. The guy said he was divorced. The woman agreed to meet in a Cafe and told him: You bring your divorce papers. I'll bring mine. (The guy never showed!)

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I was screaming, "Don't get into his car!" when you said he wanted to go to HIS bar -- glad THAT worked out ok, and I'm also glad you taxied it home. I wrote a long piece on my experience with eHarmoney on stilli's blog but it got highjacked by clearthinker (I think it was clearthinker), who told me I just don't TRUST enough! Anyway, good luck!

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I second that! Don't get into his car!!!

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I read your post even though I am not allowed to talk about internet dating. Your insight helped me understand what happened to me last summer when I tried speed dating. Although I am allowed to talk about speed dating, it was overall a negative experience. I just didn't give it much thought... I tried it (3 times!) and it didn't work so I moved on. Now that I look back, I think the reason it didn't work was like you, I made too many concessions. With such a large pool of guys (20 in one night - and you have an even larger pool to chose from on the internet) what are you comparing to? The positive aspects of someone stand out. Even if you try to go on your instincts you end up listing qualities in your mind as a way to sort it all out, and you end up with "Tall but an asshat," "polite but painfully boring," "good sense of humor but...." and I don't even want to say what was wrong with the last one. I'm not saying it can't be done, but maybe there has to be a strategy that doesn't allow for making concessions - a little less optimism may be called for.

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Oh one more thing... the other night my friend told me that her friend emailed some guy for months and then when they finally met found out he was a midget. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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LOL. And I'm not allowed to use LOL. I think they prefer "little people".

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I've never done anything like what you describe. But neither had you until now. Very courageous lisB. I hope you go on a fun date with this new guy.

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The cologne was definitely an early warning signal.

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Yeah, it sounds superficial... but that is a BIG warning signal.

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Nice post, Lis, rec'd. I sympathize with your situation, I've talked to a lot of women trying to navigate the dating-site minefield, including many clients of mine. The problem that your experience illustrates is that it's unfortunately necessary to distinguish guys who want a relationship from those who just pretend to want one, in order to have sex. One thing that I think works is just to suggest that the first date be a weekend brunch, rather than dinner or drinks. Guys who are real players know pretty well that brunch does not lead immediately to sex, and either resist the idea or lose interest. (BTW, this also screens out a lot of guys with alcohol problems.) Also, while I think online dating is pretty safe, because people have to post a lot of personal info, brunch provides less opportunity for any foul play.

Another thing you could try is Meetup.com. This is a social-networking site that sets up group meetings for any group of people that have similar interests in the same geographical area. They have a lot of social groups for singles, and also groups for any activity you could imagine, from politics to sports to culture to handicrafts to whatever. The idea of this is that you meet lots of new people and possibly meet guys you are interested in while doing that, but also make new friends and organically expand your social circle and activities. Plus it's free.

You seem to be a terrific person, if you just meet enough decent people the odds should be good for you.

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I'd recommend Plenty of Fish (http://www.plentyoffish.com/) as it cuts out the weird aspect of having to pay some intermediary service to connect you with other singles out there.

I am young (22) but have a rough time meeting women I click with, and originally was searching the paid dating site circuit when I came along this service. It is very open and run by one guy and his girlfriend. He has theorized that paid sites really have an incentive not to match you up with the right person in that if you enter a successful relationship, well, you won't need their help anymore will you?

I don't know if I buy that fully (I can see some points to it), but I have met a lot of very interesting and sane people on Plenty of Fish. I'm still single, but that is more due to my overly busy life right now than any failure of the service.

Just my $0.02.

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Thank you all SO much for the sage advice, feedback, input, and good luck wishes. Mage, your wedding dress is beautiful, and so are you.

I've heard of Plenty of Fish just this week for the first time, but I'm dedicated to eHarmony due to the simple fact that I paid almost $60 for this month and want to let it play out.

The 6'3" guy and I have been emailing and we spoke on the phone and plan to keep phoning over the weekend before we meet, but the fact that he's afraid of Cougars is a very good sign, LOL. I also like that he wants to meet me in the middle of the day in a public place and then from there we can choose whether or not we want to sit down together in a restaurant or diner or coffee house or whatever suits our fancy. I get good vibes from that. He's also a widower, of two years, and that alone, for some reason, tells me he is sincere. If nothing else, we might make a great friendship.

I WILL be careful, I promise. I learned my lesson from Mr. Cologne and I don't wanna go back there again.

Thanks, again, for listening, and for all your support. You all rawk.

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I met my wife online almost ten years ago. It was a fluke that we met, but one great fluke is all I needed. My only advice is don't waste your hard earned money on a dating site when there are lots of free ways to meet people.

Oh, and like they said above, never get in a stranger's car...

Good Luck!

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