Hey TPM...we got Israel covered like a blanket. How 'bout the rest of the Middle-east?
I've noticed here at TPM we have great coverage of Israel and Israeli politics. I love the discourse and love the authors contributions. They are usually always thought provoking, salient and provide informed comments.
What I don't see around here are many posts about the other Arab countries. There was just an election in Lebanon where Hezbollah took a bit of an unexpected beating. Of course what is currently going on in Iran. The state of affairs in Pakistan is very troubling/concerning. And Turkey definitely merits coverage in terms of their clout in the region and how they are a bridge between Europe and the Middle-east. I think covering what is going on in the region might give some context into better understanding and discussing a whole host of regional issues. Now I'm not talking about the main TPM site. I think Josh has been doing a great job staying on top of the post election unrest in Iran. I am talking about Cafe contributors.
Are there bloggers out there who could provide us with some expertise on the whole region who might be willing/could be asked to contribute here? And preferably people who currently reside or have lived in the countries in the recent past. It is a very complex, fascinating and important region of the world to keep up to speed on. Thoughts anyone? I would love to see and welcome it.
What I don't see around here are many posts about the other Arab countries. There was just an election in Lebanon where Hezbollah took a bit of an unexpected beating. Of course what is currently going on in Iran. The state of affairs in Pakistan is very troubling/concerning. And Turkey definitely merits coverage in terms of their clout in the region and how they are a bridge between Europe and the Middle-east. I think covering what is going on in the region might give some context into better understanding and discussing a whole host of regional issues. Now I'm not talking about the main TPM site. I think Josh has been doing a great job staying on top of the post election unrest in Iran. I am talking about Cafe contributors.
Are there bloggers out there who could provide us with some expertise on the whole region who might be willing/could be asked to contribute here? And preferably people who currently reside or have lived in the countries in the recent past. It is a very complex, fascinating and important region of the world to keep up to speed on. Thoughts anyone? I would love to see and welcome it.
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I mentioned Hezbollah's surprising defeat in the main body which is intriguing. But I was wondering how the post election turmoil in Iran, which has much influence with their neighbor to the west, will affect Iraq and its politics if at all? The rise of Iran in terms of being a regional force now that a vacuum has been created with the total decline of Iraq's regional influence.
June 16, 2009 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the protests in Iran do a great deal of good for the country, in terms of showing real Iranians, who turn out to look a lot like other human beings.
There would seem to be a shroud surrounding the entire region except the Jewish sections of Israel in the American press.
We never see Palestinians except for martyr videos, we rarely see Iraqis except in the aftermaths of terrorist attacks, and we don't Pakistanis except to have them misrepresented as the relatively small number of radical hillbillies who reside near the Afghan border.
We never hear about the historical role of American, British, and Israeli intelligence in the region, never mind the previous era of colonialism which carved the region up into the countries that exist there today.
With the snap of a finger, Pakistan can be labeled a threat to the U.S., terms like Af-Pak can be created and parroted, and terms like Af-Pak-Iran can sit in the wings.
Saudi Arabia is never mentioned in the media, and one would think that Iran is more backwards and less democratic, based on media coverage.
The veil of ignorance cast across our eyes means that any country in the region (and most in the world, for that matter) can be instantly touted as the next great threat.
The president of Iran asks why Israel wasn't created out of a section of Germany, instead of punishing innocent people on another continent, and many people are able to be convinced by the media that the entire country of Iran is made up of blood thirsty Jew haters who would gladly sacrifice their lives for one chance to nuke one town in Israel.
It would be nice to have more M.E. coverage here, with an emphasis on humanizing the people.
June 16, 2009 4:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
lot of really good points there. thanks bill.
June 16, 2009 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody who is a regular contributer here knows much of anything about the ME beyond Israel.
Until the '06 war on Lebanon, neither did I.
In general, one does have to rely on knowledgable bloggers and their commenters (who are also fluent in Arabic) to get the bigger picture. Local media sources are another source of information altho they are all partisan so knowing the bias is key to filtering the information.
Nadine's post contains the following piece of pure agitprop/ propaganda:
This election would put Lebanon in the hands of either of two camps: the US-backed March 14th coalition, a pro-democracy organization which favors a peaceful resolution to the Middle East's ongoing conflicts, versus the March 8th coalition which favors alliances with Syria and Iran and open-ended conflict with Israel.
This is absolute bullshit and I'm sorry I missed it first time around. I too hope she will return so I can ask her if her expenses to return to Lebanon were also paid for by the great democracy-luvin Saudis who are our full partners in messing in Lebanon. They spent beaucoup bucks to return thousands to vote for M14. One source in Riyadh told Newsweek that the Saudis spent more than the Obama campaign did in winning the general election.
So let's hear all the cheers that "our" side won. Hip Hip Hooray.
This piece of "information" from Nadine's post is also curious:
(Lebanon has the unique position of being composed of roughly 33% Sunni Muslims, 33% Shiite Muslims, and 33% Christians).
Nobody actually knows the composition of Lebanon because the last census was in 1932. Because the division of power and who can be in what position is determined by which sect they belong to, those who have been favored are understandably reluctant to have a real census conducted.
BTW, the so-called "defeat" of the March8 coalition, "Hezbollah" for those who like American simplistic shorthand, included a substantial victory in the popular vote. Long before the actual event, there were more than a few Lebanon watchers speculating that "Hezbollah" wanted to lose. The real Hezbollah did win all their seats; it was their Christian ally, Aoun who lost some.
The speculation around a desired loss by Hezbollah was that they didn't want the responsibility of running the place, that they are better off being "the opposition/the resistance", Israel's threats to destroy all of Lebanon if they won and the threats from Obama administration officials. The latter were always issued along with pious declarations of our support for the sovereignity and democratic values of Lebanon while warning of "foreign interference" in the election process....
(Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were seen as campaigning for the M14 coalition during their quick stopovers in Beirut.)
To return to the main thrust of this post, I agree.
While I'm familiar with bloggers who are more knowledgeable about the region, they tend to be informed about specific countries rather than the ME as a whole. They also tend to be really busy with their RL professional commitments in addition to their blogs.
June 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the good points you make lally are exactly why I think there should be better coverage of the region here.
I realize that it would be difficult to get someone who is expert on the whole region but a bit more of a presence of someone/some people, even if only posting on an irregular basis, could only help everyone's understanding of the region.
June 16, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least the Israel issue is....er.... well-covered and there are plenty of different perspectives presented from contributors and commenters. Yet few of the guests who even mention other nations in the region do so from anything other than the "view" from Tel Aviv via DC.
It's frustrating and for the moment, I'm stuck and unable to offer much of anything constructive......except references to sources that I've found to be of value and interest.
For Syria and the region in general, Joshua Landis' "Syria Comment" is a good read:
http://joshualandis.com/blog/
For Egypt and the Arab world, try Marc Lynch @ youknowwhat:
lynch.foreignpolicy.com/
For a quick news round-up read about Lebanon (and beyond), the (tilt to M14) publication Naharnet provides comprehensive coverage:
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/Lebanon/C9CF70D6EA0BF94CC22575D7001C65C8?OpenDocument
June 17, 2009 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I'd like to hear more from those who have lived in the Middle East regarding the goings on. Nadine posted a blog just before the elections in Lebanon, in case you missed it. I'm hoping she follows up with a post election blog.
June 16, 2009 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. That was a good post on Lebanon.
June 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah thanks from me for the link too Miguel. Hopefully we can hear more from her, and others, in the reader's section...and some more front page Cafe posts too.
June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without creating a "TPMWorld" tab, I think you're right that we can cover more. There's also Africa, SE Asia, Australia, and Central and South America that are also generally ignored unless there's been an earthquake.
June 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
oops.
Forgot to rec this.
June 16, 2009 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks lally... 8-)
And I even did accidently (sheepishly dropping my head in shame having never rec'd one of my own posts before and meaning to click the comment tab).
June 16, 2009 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
While we are at it what about the rest of Asia, SE asia, Eastern Europe, South America, and Africa? Why is the economist the only western newspaper that covers the world weekly?
To America Media International coverage means Israel and countries we are currently bombing. And even then, for the latter coverage is spotty at best.
June 16, 2009 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I would be interested in learning more about/discussing the rest of the world Saladin. I happen to be most interested in the Middle-east but I am not discounting coverage of the rest of the world in the least.
It is very difficult to get good coverage of world events, on an actual global scale, in the MSM.
June 16, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post Libertine. I do like the web in that you have so much more to choose, more sites, more newspaper articles, more discussion. TV just cannot keep up with this. Twitter time is a gd joke.
At any rate you make fine points here, as always Libertine.
June 16, 2009 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post! I think you've got a great point and I hope it's something that might lead to more voices about more nations. I recall seeing some vids on TPM from an academic/expert on Afghanistan that were really enlightening. The fella was something akin to the foremost expert on Afghanistan. I would assume and hope that there are others like him that could address what's happening in some of these other nations in similar fashion.
June 16, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That might have been Juan Cole, though I'm not sure. Josh has linked to his blog again on the front page, in reference to his Iranian election coverage:
http://juancole.com/
June 16, 2009 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, definitely not Juan Cole though I do think he is a very astute voice on Iraq and Iran especially and should certainly be given more exposure in terms of the broadcast media that most people watch. That would vastly improve the IQ of the US public in terms of the Islamic world. The fella I'm thinking of was specifically an Afghanistan expert and was being interviewed by Josh on what appeared to be a basic webcam. Can't remember his name for the life of me though.
June 17, 2009 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
We need to encourage KateO
She just got back from Pakistan from a stint with Doctors without Borders
On Libertine. I want to heal the world, so much, but I can't even heal myself.
People like Kate can and do.
June 16, 2009 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink