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My Uncle Is Depressed


 

My uncle is depressed. He is much older than I am but he is still active doing the kinds of things he always did. However I've noticed that lately he doesn't do them with the joy that he once had in their doing.

I grew up fascinated with many of the things my uncle did and especially his élan for doing them. It was infectious. I often tried to copy both his deeds and his optimism. I succeeded in copying only some of the deeds but he never stopped being my inspiration, until lately.

I first noticed the change in my uncle in his conversation. Since I was little we always talked. I would ask many questions and he would always give me answers. Often I didn't understand his answers but I could always come back and ask more questions and he would have more answers. Then a few years ago his answers started to get shorter and if I asked more questions he would just say "That's the way it is." I was getting older and for a while I just concluded that he thought that I should be answering my own questions and not keep coming back to him. But he was my uncle, no, The uncle. I had come to depend on our relationship as important in my life and anyway, he did so much that I knew he knew a lot of things that I still needed to know.

Then I began to notice that while he still did many things, he acted more like they were chores that he would just as soon avoid. His many smiles were one by one replaced by sighs, an occasional curse, and eventually silence. I won't get into the details but at some point I found myself wondering if he didn't want to be my uncle any more. Maybe he didn't even want to be himself anymore. I made a few attempts to cheer him up but that didn't really work. I am his nephew and he is my uncle and I can't make it the other way around.

Over the past few years I have thought about this a lot. I have read a lot about things like mental health, dementia, and even nutrition and cancer. In the end I think my uncle is depressed. I love my uncle and I love his children, my cousins, and their children. I have concluded that I cannot replace my uncle but I must learn to live without him as he was. It is a hard thing. I will keep his wisdom from the past. I will remember the joy when he was there for me. But as I plot my future along with the future of my relationships with my cousins and their families, I will have to look elsewhere for the answers and the joy. I wish I could help my uncle more. He was so good to me. That will always be my memory of my uncle.

(This post is a musing on JMM's question about why, if Geithner couldn't answer Senator Cantwell's question, at least he could explain why he couldn't answer.)


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Your uncle is depressed. Depression is a common (unfortunately) but treatable mental illness. I strongly suggest that instead of lamenting your uncle as if he has passed away, that you take action and get him to a qualified health professional. His internist or primary care physician should be able to make an assessment, prescribe the appropriate medications, request or approve specialized psychological or psychiatric care and any other outpatient services.

A good nephew would do that for his uncle.

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I agree with Jade. No matter how old people are, they can benefit from psychotherapy. Usually pretty quickly with elderly people. Medicare will pay for it. There is no reason for your uncle to suffer without receiving treatment. I have worked with a number of elderly people, with great success.

Here's an idea. Tell your uncle you'll be glad to find someone and accompany him to the first appointment. Not into the room, but that you'll be glad to drive him and wait for him.

Jade is completely correct. I suggest therapy first. Medications don't really cure and they're not always necessary. Though they may help.

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I'm not clear about the connection you're trying to make between this post and the one about Geithner.

Jade offers good advice on this though.

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I'm confused about that connection as well.

Are you ok, Larry?

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(Jade’s advice is excellent, for real persons or even for the analogy I am presenting.)

Depression is a response to a situation that has no good alternative. When the fight, flee or flow options are or are perceived to be unavailable, one submits to a sense of loss of autonomy and the result is often depression. JMM wonders why Geithner had nothing for Senator Cantwell. Now we could go through the list of possibilities – He didn’t know the answer, he knew the answer but for one or more reasons could not give it, he knew the answer but didn’t find it in his interest to give it, and so on. What happened was he saw nothing he could do. His response, if taken at face value, was a little demented. I would say in denial but that would impute motive. What if the government is in a state that, where it a human, we would call depressed. It might explain a lot of behavior like giving money away without asking any questions, or leaving someone who caused a problem in charge of finding the solution, or issuing subpoenas duces tecum without the “poena.” I could go on but you get my drift. Irrational behavior may indicate a condition rather than a motive. So is Uncle Sam depressed?

I thought this was a good analogy because it both avoids the notion of conspiracies and introduces the idea of serious intervention. If FEMA can’t help and FDA can’t protect and Defense can’t win and Justice can’t prosecute then it would be reasonable for the very good people who work in these areas to feel a little distressed. Taken together does it constitute something generalized in the mood or condition of the national government? Now no one wants to talk about an economic Depression because that might cause a loss of confidence. On the other hand an economic Depression is not a state of mind. It is a condition with specific symptoms only one of which is mood. Is there a political analog to economic Depression?

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Sorry, Larry... I completely missed what you were trying to say.

In the immortal words of Michael Steele:

My bad.

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No. My post is the model of "too cute by half." But I'm really impressed with the quick empathy of your response and the accuracy of your advice.

Thank you for the gesture. Maybe I won't post again until my bank becomes solvent again.

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No... post again and again and again... we need all hands on deck right now.

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Larry is fine. I think.

He's just being profound again.

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There's my girl.

It's the story of my life. A chicken thinks I'm fine. A therapist? Not so much.

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(pecks L. On the cheek.)


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TheraP taught me this:

{{{{{Bwak}}}}}

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Larry, you know I love you!

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Sorry I startled you. I was reacting to something a sensed in the video of the exchange in the Senate, something about how everyone seemed to be on tender hooks. Anyway see my longish comment above if you want to know what I was thinking. Thanks for your concern though.

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You are very sensitive, Larry. That is a wonderful trait. (and so am I) Yes, I read your comment above. :-)

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For some reason, I was dense too - when I first read the post! But the light has dawned! :)

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I love personal stories. I love that you love your uncle. I am a sap for such goings on.

Good post. I just learned more about you.

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Now I’m a little embarrassed for being so obtuse in this post. In reality and for the record:

Jade’s advise is solid.

I have actually done, more than once, what TheraP suggests.

Dickday intuits that I am personally familiar with this sort of circumstance although it did not involve an uncle.

Lastly this post was an analogy, a fiction and a political comment.

But notice how quickly everyone responds with personal empathy. What a fine group of people I talk with here at the Café.

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Except me. Not that I haz none. I just.

Know about Uncles.

"tis a fine group of peoples. And farmyard animals....

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Uncle Sam IS depressed, Larry - and so are his other friends & neighbors. Part of the reason is simple. There's a lot they know, and cannot say. Starting with "things are much worse than we've ever described," followed by "we don't know how to fix it."

That's tough to admit internally, tougher still to say in public, and impossible to say until people are read to hear it. We don't want to hear that shit.

So you talk positively, play for time, and avoid details on any particulars that would lead to aspects of the bigger picture being made apparent.

Besides, just saying this out loud has depressed me. See you in the morning!

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Quinn, you're right. "Depression" doesn't fully describe nor provide a path toward resolution for Larry's uncle. In the same way, the words that can be spoken, accepted and understood about what's going on in the economy don't really get to the point. So everybody is dithering, waiting for some bright person to describe the situation in a way the rest of us can understand and act on.

Bill Clinton used to be able to do this. I think Obama is trying, but even he is out of his depth.

A similar kind of problem emerged in the lead-up to the Iraq war. Nobody could quite get a handle on why what the NeoCons were trying to do was such a bad idea. Or if they could, they couldn't describe it in a way that got enough people on their side.

This problem is more complicated by far, and will affect Americans more directly than the Iraq war did. So no wonder our uncle is depressed and has no good answer about why.

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Name some people who are not depressed. Just for the heck of it.

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I don’t think Barack Obama is depressed. I don’t think Michelle Obama is depressed. And I’m certain their daughters are not depressed. And for reasons that surprise even me, I’m not depressed.

If your daily life is full of ups and downs, no one of which is so exaggerated as to have a life of its own and cause you to be stuck “up” or “down,” then you are not depressed. If the average, the median, the root mean square of your demeanor is “down,” then perhaps you might agree with Thoreau "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation." But even desperation is not “depression.

But when you stop engaging, in a way meaningful to yourself, the eternal stimulation of daily life, then the question of “depression” can be fairly asked. If a child looses interest in their toys, it is a warning that something is amise, something that we might find to be “depression.”

It was the aim of my admittedly obtuse effort at analogy to ask whether a national government could be depressed. I don’t think Geithner is depressed or Senator Cantwell is depressed. JMM asked a question and as I watched the video I sensed an ennuie in their exchange. There was a question. Then there was no answer. Then they moved on. If that was a Senate “hearing” then the song was silence and nobody seemed to care. Has the institution lost its élan ? Might I fairly judge my Uncle Sam to be in a state that, were he a real person, I would think “depressed?” If so then what does that mean and are there analogous interventions? What would they be?

I called this post a “musing,” a dreamy and abstract thought. Maybe it was just my way of avoiding getting depressed.

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Ever seen an addict's depression, when they try and quit? Money's the drug baby.... Come back to Daddy, America!

Geithner though, is (INHO) almost certainly personally depressed. He looks it to me. Think of his life. He'll come out of this - financially - on a bed of roses. But in terms of his public reputation? It's not easy to know that something like revulsion is growing daily. Anybody here wanna be the forever public face for Hoover? TG knows his role, but we're social animals. Tough to see the anger coming at you already, know that more is coming, and that ultimately, you've got a life of being recognized - and often despised - by strangers on the streets.

Free Timmy G! Fire him today!

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He's certainly the single worst appointment O has made so far. I don't blame TG entirely, though. The president is not showing the leadership we need on this. He's in one of his passive phases.

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Yes! Free Timmy! It can be the next Pixar production for the new millenium.

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I am a native of San Francisco California and spent most of my life there. I now live in the Pacific Northwest. I have an accidental acquaintance with a classical education. I do not have a background, by profession or expertise, in matters of political or social importance. I am an ordinary citizen who might fairly be considered an observer of some of the events of the three score years of my life. I have been close enough to some of these events to have take part in them. For example I was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1966 and served two years, never going overseas. I figured out a long time ago that I don’t learn anything while I am talking and so I am quite content most of the time to listen. However it is my judgment that the problems facing the world today are of such a magnitude that they neither can nor will be solved by persons of high position. Like World War II or the Civil Rights movement, only the ordinary individual will determine the outcome. This is my only portfolio and commission for writing anything here or anywhere else.

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