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Inspection- Roman Polanski: Pedophile or Nasty Criminal Putz?


Note: this was published over at LT Saloon a couple days ago. Since then I have been battered by those on the Left who think Polanski is the victim, and been aghast by those on the Left (Dave Marsh, specifically.) who claim that what Polanski did is not only the same as chasing a five year old, but what Bill and Monica did is the same. God, just how did we get this screwed up when it comes to sex issues in this country?
 

   Polanski: Pedophile? Or nasty, criminal putz?


    The case of Roman Polanski has me into more than mere muse as of late over these two skews: ways to frame his crime. When I first heard the news I wondered, "Where the hell has the media been on this?"

    Where the media usually is: no where to be found if it's not sexy or serves the some big corporate agenda.

    What's the fuss is about his cinematic work I have never quite figured out. Even though I've had multiple film critique classes and know amongst many profs his work is well respected, in my opinion his most famous movie: Rosemary's Baby was a big yawn and a big promotional smooch to Catholicism and superstition, for example. I can't remember a damn thing about Chinatown or The Pianist. Good movies hang with me. Polanski's movies twist away easier than Linda Blair's all too obviously fake head. And sometimes all I'm left with is fake puke. Gross? Yes, but not all that interesting, relevant or even good fiction.

    Yeah, I know. Supposedly Baby was supposed to have been based on real events. But I'm enough of a skeptic to only believe that's what really happened like that just as soon as I see the ghost of Harry Houdini who said he would come back if it's possible.

   His movies, as a whole, have neither overwhelmed me, nor impressed me. I do think, like most icons, he's a bit over-rated.

    Though I was not impressed, I have no personal ax to smash into what soon will be mere remains of a towering tree of a career here. What makes him so popular? Stumps me.

    Since I'm not a fan you'd think my first reaction would be to cheer the pickle he got himself into in after using his own personal pickle in a very inappropriate manner, oh, so long ago. No, my first reaction was...

"Why do they insist on conflating statutory misbehavior with being a real pedophile?"

    This has less to do with Polanski than it does my feelings regarding dating and age differences. I learned about this issue early: when I was still a teen, and I also learned I am no fan of older men who date underage girls. I lost a friend in the late 60s/early 70s over this issue.

    Dan was a smarter than your average 16 year old who, more so than most, was hormone driven. (Maybe I should strike "most" and rephrase as "all?") Briefly after we first became friends he started dating Marsha. She was 14, he was 16. OK, problematic, but not something I found offensive. The last time we had a true discussion was when he insisted he was going to date Lisa.

   "Dan, she's a sixth grader. And if you hadn't futzed around all these years by now you'd be a senior like me. It's immature decisions like this that hold you back."

   "But I like her!"

   "Dan, she's friggin 12 years old, you're almost 18."

   "But I like her!"

   "Dan, if you do this, I can't be your friend anymore."

    Well, I'm sure you know where that went. So I'm obviously no pal to those who do such things. But there's something so obviously different when comparing the two. Both are predatory, true, though I believe one is less so. Someone who dates under age; especially with that much of a difference, should be punished. We have to draw the permission line somewhere, and a 12 year old really... most of the time... hasn't the schnock to decide either way. OK, I understand that doesn't translate into "all," but I still go back to...

          "We have to draw the permission line somewhere."

     But a true pedophile should really be more clearly defined: both legally and socially. Why? Someone who chases five-year-old kids is sick beyond belief. So why do we, as a society, shove both dating under age women and chasing little kids into this catchall pedophile category? We shouldn't, because it's like treating assault as the same as mass murder. The two are simply not the same, and they shouldn't be put together on any list: national or local, without at least distinguishing between the two.

    That's what we don't do now. As it stands a 18 year old who gets caught with a 15 year old is pretty much considered the same as the 50 year old who likes to prey upon 3-year-olds. That is flat out wrong.

    Yet, as the story progressed and I learned more about what happened, I became less and less comfortable with my own position.

    She was drugged.

    She was drunk.

    I would assume Polanski had something to do with all of the above. "Jackass" doesn't quite describe my feelings.

    I have read she's still angry over what happened, although even she has said it was long ago and we should let it go. I'm sorry, I can't agree: he had to be in his forties, she... 13. And, to add to the rage, we can't let someone who ran get away with it, even if the judge went back on an agreement.

    But all these issues: the drugging, the alcohol, the extreme age difference... could be punished under separate laws. We could actually punish him worse than a true pedophile if we treated his crimes that way. Yet in their anger people want to conflate this kind of criminal prosecution with those sick bastards who hunt and prey on the smallest and most vulnerable amongst us, much like our laws do.

    There simply is no comparison.

    One type of person needs to be punished, yes, but the other probably needs to kept away from civilized society: permanently.

    Now that's something I might agree to.



                                                       
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   Inspection is a column that has been written by Ken Carman for over 30 years. Inspection is dedicated to looking at odd angles, under all the rocks and into the unseen cracks and crevasses that constitute the issues and philosophical constructs of our day: places few think, or even dare, to venture.

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Pedophile AND nasty criminal.

http://www.mapsexoffenders.com/getreport.aspx

Putting it into perspective, they are everywhere. And I personally don't care whether they make award winning films or live in a cardboard box.

Would your child care, either?

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"Someone who chases five-year-old kids is sick beyond belief. So why do we, as a society, shove both dating under age women and chasing little kids into this catchall pedophile category?"

First of all you are playing an extraordinarily suspect game if you are attempting to characterize a 13 year old girl as an under age woman. Second, there is such a thing as reaching a certain low level beyond which there is no longer any need for distinction given the depravity and criminal nature of the conduct. Third, there are degrees and variations within all the laws governing this reprehensible conduct in each of the 50 states so your belief that preying on a 5 year old and a 13 year old are treated the same is simply incorrect. Perhaps they are in the public mind, but not under the law. And while it is true that one really needs to be in a very deep dark and sick place to engage in any sort of sexual behavior with someone as young as 5, it is just as dark and depraved when the victim is 13 or 14 or 15, etc... It is surely a matter of degree, but it is all intensely sick, predatory behavior. And let's be clear, we're talking about adults and not a young person who might be involved with an underage person. The laws of many states also provide for and make some exceptions for such cases.

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I don't feel that an extraordinarily suspect game is being played here. If a 13 year old girl has hit puberty, then she is an under age woman. I also do not see how it is just as sick and depraved for a person to go after someone in their teens as it is to go after a prepubescent child. As I stated on another article with this same title, I am female myself, just turned 27, though I can still quite easily pass for a late teenager, and I have never understood people equating pedophilia to adults having sex with teenagers. It simply is not the same thing. If it is a 13-year-old prepubescent boy, then sure. But most 13-year-old girls have hit puberty; though they are still going through puberty at that age, they have usually developed a few significant adult features such as breasts. True pedophiles are "turned off" by adult-like features. If anything, I feel that conflating pedophilia to adults having sex with teenagers does nothing but harm our society. Why? Well, there are plenty of reasons. One being that pedophilia is a serious mental disorder. Let's say that a 15-year-old girl looks 18 and is easily able to lie about her age. Does that mean that the men not knowing her true age and finding her sexually attractive are pedophiles and are suffering from a mental disorder? Of course not. She has an adult body and looks 18! So why should a mental disorder be the case when they do know her age and are still sexually attracted to her or if one of them has sex with her? It's almost as silly as when everyone was calling Mark Foley a pedophile for going after 16-year-old boys sexually, even though 16 is the age of consent in Washington, D.C. and 16 and 18-year-olds cannot be told apart age-wise. In most cases, 16 and 18-year-olds look the same age. If being sexually attracted to a 16-year-old is pedophilia, then so is being sexually attracted to an 18-year-old.

I feel that all of society needs to realize that while these teenagers are children under the law, they are biological adults and actually look like adults in a lot of cases. In Polanski's case, though, he went after a 13-year-old. Though most are pubescent at that age, they typically do not look too adult. I personally find him sick to have gone after a 13-year-old in the way he did, and sick if he had drugged an adult woman in that way just to get sex as well, but not a pedophile. I also read that he was mentally evaluated to see if he is a pedophile and the psychologists concluded that he surely is not one.

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See my reply below. I meant for it to be in reply to this.

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I think that Polanski is not a pedophile, but rather belongs to the old Appalachian school of "if they are big enough they are old enough", which numbers among its members such luminaries as Jerry Lee Lewis.

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Except that Lewis married the girl; Polanski just used her.

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He didn't "use" her. He raped her.

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Your point?

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I think people need to take a step back and imagine that this 13 year old were their child. And in that case, I'd go snatch this pervert myself and bash his head in.

I cannot imagine having my child coming to me and saying this happened to her (no matter what age she is now) and then try to explain away his actions.

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I think you raise a difficult point about the 15 yo dating the 13 yo vs the sexual predator dating the 13 yo. I saw a chart recently in which the largest age group of convicted sexual predators was men in their late teens and early twenties.

I don't think most people consider teens playing strip poker or fumbling at the drive-in to be pedophiles, but that is how the law has been applied. The difficulty is where to draw the line.

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I can only say that in my opinion you are drawing meaningless distinctions. It is illegal for an adult to prey sexually on anyone who is underage. That a girl has entered puberty is of no consequence whatever. Neither is it of any consequence that the girl was sexually active or that she looked older than she was. Those are unacceptable excuses for illegal behavior. In this case, his illegal behavior was rape no matter what angle the crime is viewed from and regardless of her age. Her age only compounds his detestable and depraved behavior.

We have long ago left behind the times when just because a child was biologically capable of child bearing she becomes fair game for adults of the species to copulate with her. Our laws make very clear what the lines of legal and illegal behavior are.

This 40 something year old man forced a child to have sex with him after feeding her alcohol and drugs. Even though she was doped she resisted and over and over told him no, begged him not to do it, pleaded for him to stop yet he forced himself upon her repeatedly. He raped and sodomized the girl against her will. That is the very definition of rape. He did this with a child which may not make him a pedophile in the pyschiatric sense but it damn sure makes him a child rapist. He proved in subsequent years to be completely unrepentant and clearly was unable to distinguish between his pathological attraction to underage girls and normal sexual behavior for an adult. There is no mitigating circumstance that could possible come to bear in this case given the plain facts of what occured. Nothing excuses such conduct. Nothing.

He was very fortunate to have struck a plea bargain like the one he had, yet thinking he might be sent back to be incarcerated for a couple of more months he absconded and left the country. Now, he faces additional jail time. Nothing in this case indicates anything other than Polanski bringing all this negative stuff down on his own head.

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Sorry, this was in reply to Forbes above.

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I do not see how I am drawing "meaningless distinctions." Yes, it is illegal for an adult to prey sexually on anyone who is underage, but there is a difference between someone being a pedophile and someone going after a clear pubescent teenager for sex.

I am tired of seeing people misusing the term pedophile, as in the case of a 21-year-old boy with his 17-year-old girlfriend who is only a few months from being 18. Throwing the word pedophile around so carelessly is very harmful and only causes people to further not understand the very important distinctions. No 21-year-old boy should fear being called a pedophile for dating or having sex with his 17-year-old girlfriend. Though, if the age of consent is 18, he should wait until she is 18 before engaging in sex with her. Not to mention...that the age of consent varies in different states, though usually set at age 16 or 17. What is statutory rape in one state is perfectly fine in the next, and really shows the inconsistency of society on these matters and how silly it is those cases. With Polanski, though, I am not saying that it is that silly to call him a pedophile; he is not too far from one, after all. Neither am I making excuses for him; I certainly do not buy that he did not know how old she was. Plus, he raped her in the sense of being outside of statutory rape, as you pointed out. I am only pointing out that using the word pedophilia correctly is important. She was not a biological child, though she was a child in the legal sense and very likely a great deal in the mental sense. Nor is being sexually attracted to pubescent teenage girls considered a pathology by the medical community. What Polanski did to this girl is horrible, I agree with you there. I agree with everything else you stated as well, aside from stating that making a distinction between scum like Polanski and a true pedophile not being important.

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For the set age of age of consent, I meant usually set at age 16, 17 or 18.

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