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A Response to Thera P's "Puzzlement"


I read a great blog today from Thera P. regarding the passing of a neighbor. I wanted to make a comment about it, and here it is. What follows is a short argument paper I wrote for an English class. The professor gave us a list of controversial topics, and I chose gay marriage. One of the guys I grew up with got married to his life partner during the short time it was legal in California, so though I'm not gay, I have a personal interest in this topic.


BTW- It's the only 100% I got on a paper. I usually score pretty well, but I haven't actually gotten 100% before or since.

 

I kept the citations in, just in case anyone wants to check my work.

 

Same Sex Marriage or Civil Unions: What's the Difference? 



 

One of the chief problems in the debate over the gay or same-sex marriage issue is one of language. Many politicians, when asked, will say they support civil unions, but that marriage, or at least that term, should only apply to opposite sex couples. In other words, as in legislation, such as the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman. While most of these people agree that gays should not be victims of discrimination, and should be allowed to love and commit to a partner, as long as we don't call it "marriage."  What's wrong with that?

The real objection to using the word "marriage" in this context is still primarily a moral one, steeped in religious tradition. This is no surprise. After all, in the Bible, homosexuality is "absolutely forbidden, for it is a terrible sin" (Lev. 18:22, tr. 1971). For the state to allow something that is a "terrible sin" and give it legal status equal to a man and a woman where a man should love his partner as if she were "a part of himself" (Eph. 5:33), just as "Christ cares for...his church"(Eph. 5:25) is, I'm sure, insulting to many believers.

This objection, that many religious people, even if they are only casually religious have, is one that they should have. This is a deeply held belief, and one that is understandable. It has been taught and thought and said for generations. Since these beliefs are written in the religious texts, it is perfectly understandable that clergy and religious groups are against the practice altogether. They should be. It goes against their moral compass.

Many people are against discrimination in any form. Most agree that anyone should be allowed to do whatever they want, so long as it's legal, and they have the talent and will to do it. Even religious people believe that gay folks should be allowed to work and find love. Sanctioning that love is a different argument. We've all heard this one, "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." So calling a union between two gay people can be legal, but not called marriage.

When the Massachusetts Supreme Court overturned the ban on same-sex marriage, they concluded that to call it something else meant that it was something else. In her opinion Chief Justice Marshall stated that to refer to same-sex unions as anything other than marriage "continues to relegate same-sex couples to a different status" (2003). Again, as long as the legislation confers equal protection, why not?

Vermont has civil unions, for example, and these unions bestow on a couple many of the benefits of marriage, but they only apply to residents of Vermont. They have protection in the family court for matters such as divorce; they have an automatic durable power of attorney, the right to family leave and the ability to file joint state income tax. These unions are not recognized by the federal government, however. So a couple in Vermont would be unable to file a joint federal tax return and realize the savings that a married couple can enjoy (Belge, n.d.).

Since these unions, like domestic partnerships in California, New Jersey, or Hawaii are sanctioned by the individual states, they are not recognized by the country at large. In other words, these protections vanish the moment a couple moves to a state that does not have this legal status on the books. Also, since these are benefits provided by the individual states, they are not uniform among those states (Gannon, 2008).

Across the country there are 1,049 protections and benefits bestowed on a couple that enters into marriage (GAO, 1997). These are automatic the moment a couple enters into matrimony. Automatically a spouse is the next of kin in all matters. If someone needs medical attention, and is unable to consent, all the spouse needs to do is say, "I'm the wife" and instantly that persons wishes are heard without having to hire counsel and without presenting papers. If a person with government benefits, such as a military veteran dies, the surviving partner receives benefits from the government on the deceased partner's behalf. Since civil unions don't have standing in the federal courts, these benefits would not pass to the survivor.

Why should the government even have the debate, let alone sanction this type of union? The answer is simple, equal protection under the law. The argument against it is one of a religious nature, and if religious institutions don't wish to acknowledge these unions, they shouldn't. Civil marriages, performed over by a judge aren't sanctioned by the church, yet in the eyes of the government are just as valid as any given by a clergyman. People that are joined in such ceremonies are as married as anyone that got the benefit of clergy. As far as the state is concerned, what's the real difference? There are 1,049 protections and benefits that marriage automatically gives. Shouldn't all Americans that want them be allowed to have them?


 

 

Bibliography

Belge, K. (n.d.). The Difference Between Marriage and Civil Unions. Retrieved January 23, 2009, from About.com: http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

Gannon, H. A. (2008). Same-sex marriage should be allowed. Retrieved January 22, 2009, from Opposing Viewpoints Resource Center: http://find.galegroup.com.webproxy-prod.columbuslibrary.org/ovrc/infomark.do?&contentSet=GSRC&type=retrieve&tabID=T010&prodId=OVRC&docId=EJ3010136208&source=gale&srcprod=OVRC&userGroupName=cmlweb&version=1.0

Government Accounting Office. (1997, January 31). Letter to Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. Retrieved January 24, 2009, from Gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf

Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. (2004, February 4). Gay & lesbian marriage decision: letter ot the Senate. Retrieved January 23, 2009, from Find Law: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/conlaw/maglmarriage20304.html

The Living Bible. (tr. 1971). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale house Publishers.

 

 


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Nice. The marriage vs. union divide is a semantic one to me. Marriage is a religious institution, civil unions a legal one. So really the government should be entirely agnostic about any marriage and should recognize only civil unions for legal purposes.

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Boy, that just shoves a pipe thru the spokes of their cartwheels while its' rolling at a high speed!

I didn't realize it, but yes, there is black and white difference between what one does civilly and what one does religiously. Sometimes they overlap, but the civil side always falls under the rule of law and the religious side doesn't.

In short, a civil union is a legal action whereas a marriage is a religious action - separation of church and state then should apply. Sounds like a trip to the Supreme Court will be happening soon over this issue.

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Excuse the off topic interruption here . . .


Hey Destor. Just in case you return here, this is to let you know I've responded to the question you raised over here.

Have a good week.

~OGD~

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I know. I mean, the only thing that diffentiates the legal document is the allocation of "M"s and "F"s on the legal document. Why is this so difficult?

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differentiates. sigh.

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The problem, in my mind, occurs in schools - with children. Children NEED to be able to use language that makes sense to their peers. They need to be able to know and say that their parents are "married". No child should be deprived of having married parents. Naturally, no spouse should be deprived of that either. But I especially think of the children.

Here's a response I left you at my own blog:

Yes, we are working on two fronts here. One civil. One religious. For the latter, please see a previous post of mine:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/11/moral-hazards.php

I agree that language is an issue. And you can take that idea and place it into almost any argument of the right. They twist language and logic. Continually. Indeed, more and more. To a point where they may "seed" so much nonsense that it will become impossible to really converse about politics in public any longer. The great danger they are sowing is the breakdown of civil discourse and civic trust:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/03/systemic-deception-and-the-bre.php

The post above is one of the most important I ever wrote.

P.S. The translation of certain independent verses and words in the Bible are often made for reasons of trying to "prove" doctrine. So-called "proof texts" are not really proofs. NO sentence is a proof of anything! Thus, your contention that the Bible forbids homosexual acts can be credibly rebutted by any number of theologians, using a variety of arguments, which I won't bother to go into.

In my view the Bible, in both testaments testifies to LOVE'S primacy over any type of legalism.

It is true that any religion can choose or not to take part in a legally binding act. In my view religious leaders should not be authorized to do so. And in many countries two ceremonies are performed - one civil, another religious. Nevertheless, in Spain, for example, there is "civil" gay marriage - and it is called such.

Language is very important. But beware that any translation holds seeds of a translator's doctrinal preferences.

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The problem, in my mind, occurs in schools - with children. Children NEED to be able to use language that makes sense to their peers. They need to be able to know and say that their parents are "married".

This is a curious construction on your part. I find the argument flimsy at best.

Kids are not going to be concerned about the word used (co-opt "hitched", "united" or just "together" if you want), the far bigger problem are the actual familial stability issues many youngins face regardless of how many parents there are.

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TheraP,

Thanks for the comment, and again, your post was moving and thought-provoking.

The bible verses that I used in that paper were there to illustrate the opposition to gay unions and the reasons why people have them. I'm with your point that Love trumps everything. In fact, one of my close friends is a clergyman that originally was against gay partnerships, but has since decided that living is tough enough so anyone that can find love should be free to do so.

This is one of those issues I just don't care about. By that I mean whether or not someone falls in love and decides to join their life with someone else, is simply, unless I have an interest in the happiness of one of the participants, none of my business. For that reason, I have no objection.

One reason that this debate fascinates me is that most of us just don't have a horse in this race, except in how we may wish to run someone else's life.

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Well, in solidarity with the oppressed, the marginalized, the poor, I DO have a horse in this race! And not to control anyone. But we all suffer when anyone is treated unjustly. That is my firm belief. To think that only ones who "have a horse in this race" are gay a very sad commentary on a society which more and more "runs" on demonizing certain groups as a way of dividing the electorate. I could go on. But no point.

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You do understand that I agree with you, right?

Perhaps I didn't use the right words, what I meant by people "not having a horse in the race" is just that this decision, no matter which way it goes has no direct effect on how I and a great many others may live. In other words, a gay marriage ban does not stop me from marrying the person I want. A gay marriage ban does not stop me from participating in those 1,049 automatic rights and privileges bestowed by the federal government should I marry the person of my choice.

Since I can take that for granted, so should all American citizens, except in regard to criminal or mental health situations. Being gay doesn't qualify for those exceptions.

I hope that clears it up.

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The answer is the abolition of marriage. Allow only civil unions for any and all couples with respect to civil authority. Allow churches and other religious institutions to continue to marry people, but those marriages, without a civil union license, will not be valid. Any other approach and we'll be mired in this idiotic debate for decades to come. So let's get on with it and abolish civil marriage entirely.

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Yeah. THAT's really going to happen!

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I think it far more likely and realistic than defeating the popular foolishness that continues to prevail on the matter. It has been a semantic issue all along with the one side being opposed the use of the word marriage and the other opposed to being ghettoized into civil unions or domestic partnerships. The fact is, marriage licenses are the civil means by which couples are legally legitimized. The civil aspect of marriage has always been about the contractual relationship between two parties and never about love, family, religion, holy union or any of that other garbage. Civil marriages, which were not widespread in the population outside of the wealthy until the past century or so were concerned primarily about property and the management of property. A number of activists have advocated this strategy. The record of the side of progress winning plebiscites on the matter is pretty poor. Methinks a different tack a whole lot more realistic than continuing to bang our collective heads on the wall in futility expecting something to change.

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We don't need to defeat anything. The next generation coming up will live longer than we will. And the next longer than they will. And things are bound to change!

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Yes, they will change but the only way they will be able to change things in many of the states will be by beating them. What I mean is that in all the states where there is an affirmative "ban" on same sex marriage the laws, and in most cases, the state constitutional amendments will have to be repealed. That is far more difficult than getting a law or an amendment passed. When Arizona and Florida voted for constitutional bans on gay marriage last year, that brought the number of states prohibiting gay marriage to 30. Add to that this year's defeats in California and Maine and you see that for all intents and purposes the effort thus far has failed. I am by no means for giving up. I do think a change in tactics, however, is called for simply due to the dismal track record of the pro-equality forces when faced with a public vote on the issue.

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The very word "marriage" imbues a union with a special status that commands respect from society and imposes an obligation on the partners to live up to the ideals embodied in that term. To deny the word itself to a same sex union is to deny those partners what it awards to others, and to impugn the value of their relationship. It's sometimes said that the difference between marriage and civil unions is "only semantic", but the word "only" is inappropriate. Semantic differences, rather than being trivial, impart a profoundly different character to the entities they denote.

I agree with Thera P that the coming generations will continue the momentum toward same sex marriage. Eventually, it will become the rule rather than the exception, and at that time, decades from now, everyone will look back at today and ask, "What was all the fuss about?"

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It may change sooner than we all think. My guess is this won't be an issue at all in 15-20 years. This doesn't mean that people should wait that long to be able to choose the life partner they want, in fact they should be out pointing out how silly and selfish opposition to this is.

I do agree that people will look back and wonder where our priorities were.

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Oh I would have given you a hundred also. ha

Great essay and a fine way to keep the spirit of TheraP's blog going.

Thank you.

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Thanks, DD

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If we are going to evaluate the recognition of sacraments by the state, can anyone tell me what the state thinks of ordination and why a state determined to retain a separation of church and state has any opinoin about it at all.

It's a new tangent, but there are brilliant minds in this place that can rally dig into it.

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