Giving up Huffingtonpost
Huffingtonpost.com
is starting to be questionable. They have been posting lots of false,
misleading, anti-Obama, hysteria driving headlines, I am concerned...it's like
Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and Drudge are posting all the headlines and
articles! Anyone else notice?
Talking Points and
Daily Kos keep up the good work!!!
UPDATE 4.10.09
I agree with everyone that
Obama and his administration need to be held accountable but I also think they
deserve fair criticism not misleading headlines that are off base.
And yes, there are a ton of right
wing trolls posting outlandish comments on huffingtonpost.
















I agree:
Misleading headlines in HUGE FONT!!!, headlines that don't accurately reflect the content of the articles are particularly problematic and troubling.
I just wonder: If sites like HuffPost and others are to be alternatives to the MSM, then if over 60% of the content are merely links to NYTimes, WaPo, WSJ and other articles, then I wonder what's the point???
The commentaries are more of what you might read on DailyKos and TPM, so again I wonder what's the point??
Finally, HuffPost has become almost unreadable not just because of its content, but it is also very, very difficult to bring up - even on a work computer.
I now use BBC and Christian Science Monitor for my "quick look" news, Salon, The Atlantic Monthly and Time for interesting, fairly rigorous commentary -and the NYTimes for other news.
I think the news of the death of newspapers may be premature.
I just have not seen anything in the blogging/HuffPost and (even) TPM, DailyKos model to cultivate a fairly informed electorate. But I do understand that part of my task is to separate out "mess" from really useful content.
I've just about decided that HuffPost has too much nonsense to bother to wait for it to come up in the morning.
April 9, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
MClatchy is probably the best paper at the moment. I grew up with the Washington Post, but it's moved to the right in recent years, and is no longer reliable.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/
April 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of Huffpost is just linking to 'outrageous' right wing statements and the responses from their bevy of bloggers.
One thing that has always annoyed me about Huffpo - and it has to do with the web once being a refuge for the 'common man' - is the notion of the "celebrity blogger." - It's as if celebrities simply didn't have enough exposure and Huff solved that intractable tragedy.
Huff is also pretty lurid, what with its "TMZ" links and celebrity obsession.
April 9, 2009 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree, but I still go there to read articles from a few of my favorite bloggers. TPM is still the first site that I go to everyday - but this site has had it's moments too.
April 9, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I stopped going to Huffington Post after I made a comment about Mika Brezinski and Joe Scarborough...it was a very honest, appropriate statement with no profanity, crude language etc. I have had enough of Arianna and her tireless self promotion...especially of her televison appearances.
I also don't entirely trust her......not that long ago, she was a rabid conservative and I think she changes her opinions like the wind.
I also question her work ethics....I mean, how much does SHE really contribute to the site? Suffice to say, she's tiresome and quite boring at this point.
April 9, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
/agree
April 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate what's happening at HuffPo! I wrote about it here
You'll see at the end of my post that I wrote a comment that went into the HuffPo hopper waiting for approval, but was never published. That's revolting. There was nothing wrong with it, other than my making slight fun of the author of the piece. They didn't post my comment, so I wrote a blog post about the article. I don't know how many people read it, but I felt good about it when I saw it in print. Believe me, I could have said a lot worse. . .
I'm disappointed in that site. They could do so much good and they've gone the way of all media these days. Celebrity sells!! (And so, apparently, do Giant-sized fonts and exclamation points.)
April 9, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I don't know HTML that well. I did something wrong because it looks like it didn't link.
It's here:
http://ramonasvoices.blogspot.com/2009/03/shades-of-dr-phil-pop-psych-at-huffpo.html
April 9, 2009 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I find HuffPo to be more dynamic than TPM. TPM seems to be wallowing in some strange dark muck these days. Can't put my finger on it, but I think it has to do with the "Obama hasn't fulfilled all his promises and all my dreams in his 54 days" meme. So, TPM is a bit more downish than HuffPo, very weary and tiresome. Lots of self help and Rogerian therapy going on here. Very yawn inducing. I prefer HuffPo, with all its warts. It's more real than this place.
April 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's why we need you here to rally with us! Too many naysayers spewing, not enough hopeful shouting!
Come back - we need ya!
April 9, 2009 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the difference. HuffPo has mods. Thus there is no need to band together in the faces of trolls. TPM has its good points. And one of them is long comments. But I think what you're describing relates to tremendous stress via trolls for some time - when management did nothing - followed by relief and a kind of need to heal. Where there are no trolls, that's not gonna happen. Not the stress. Not the pendulum going the other way either.
On the other hand, in my view, I'd rather not see posts knocking other sites here. Bad form in my view. Why use one site to knock another?
April 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
huff wont let me in anymore. I do not have enough RAM. believe it or not. I spent my first month on the net over there.
But there are so many other places to play, I just do not care.
April 9, 2009 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny, I never complained about them, but their trashy hyped style probably turned me off too, since I hardly go there anymore.
I check TPM often. People are just a lot smarter.
(Anyone else notice that HP message boards are awash in rightwing trolls! It's like 6-4 rightwingers, wtf!)
April 9, 2009 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"(Anyone else notice that HP message boards are awash in rightwing trolls! It's like 6-4 rightwingers, wtf!)"
That is no accident. Huffpost was ascribed much too large a role in the recent political shift, that was first overtly manifested in the 2006 elections, so the wingnuts picked it as their target du jour, and over-inhabited it along with the progressives.
When "they" (the wingnuts) decided Arianna was "the" blog problem, they organized troll colonies to "atack" those designated blogs, and encouraged lone-wolf trolls to do the same.
It started very shortly AFTER the 2006 election (a day late and a geek short) and was in full swing by the 2008 election.
But while it may have brought many new naysayers to the blogroles, it did nothing to stem the tide of progressive values that has risen from the muck and the mud of wingnut dominance.
It just made them look like bitterheaded losers, who will abuse every rule of decency to promote their rule of lawlessness.
Personally, I think the result was to puch Huffpost into another category of blogs, less progressive and more eclectic. Blogs like Josh's have survived the trollfest (remember JakeD?) because the reaqders and writers here are just too smart to get drawn in. And this is a fairly close-knit community, while Huffpost is a metropolis. You don't get buried at TPM under constantly contrived counterspin.
Smartest bloggers on the block.
April 10, 2009 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a place for conversation. I prefer that kind of interaction. Smaller. That's nice too.
But I affirm that there should be many types of blogs. I'm all for that! I'm not going to knock other blogs.
If something interests me, I read it. If not, I pass it by. Life is short. Glad you're here JEP!
April 10, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
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April 10, 2009 7:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huffington Post was my introduction to political blogging, but I quit going there sometime during the primaries. I, too, wrote a post about it at the time.
I have always found TPM to be more polished and the user community is mostly civil, unlike many other sites. Unlike the user above, I am glad it isn't "Rah Rah Obama" all the time.
If we are going to stand a chance in hell of getting the administration we elected then topical, pointed and consistent criticism is fully warranted. Saying he's only been in office for ex-days so can't be held accountable for the direction he is leading is not logical to me. The path he lays today is what allows for great things tomorrow. If that path is going astray, now is the time to say something and not in four years.
By then, criticism and activism will be much too late to make a difference.
April 10, 2009 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I used to post at HuffPo too but gave up during the primaries. Those folks over there can get crazy, LOL.
Jason, I agree with you on your point. I'm very quick to defend Obama because I worked hard and hoped hard to get him elected. For me, just having him in the White House is sometimes "enough". But I'd be kidding myself if I said I'm 100% happy with all of his decisions so far. Destor's new post says it better than I can, and I hope everyone reads it.
April 10, 2009 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great points.
It had to be the same feeling many progressive had 60 days into Bill Clinton's first term. They country had elected a Boomer to pick up where they left off in 1968 and instead got more of the same with new packaging.
We'll see what happens, but I won't be going to sleep and Obama, though I supported his candidacy, will never get a free ride from me.
April 10, 2009 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with staying vigilant.
April 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lately, the Cult is writing diaries against those progressive websites and individuals who refuse to praise Obama 24/7/365.
Thus, Krugman sucks, Greenwald sucks, Huffington Post sucks, Johnathan Turley sucks, and so on.
Who's next, Zachary Roth? Greg Sargent?
The list grows.
April 10, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
How dare they! All right-thinking people know that Krugman, Greenwald, Turley and Huffington are absolutely, perfect, completely selfless and utterly infallable.
April 10, 2009 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whew! ;)
April 10, 2009 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that is a fair assessment of what truthseeker wrote. It is a cautionary note that dissent is starting to be attacked from the right and now the left. Turley is defending a man unjustly accused of being a terrorist. Greenwald is first and foremost a defender of our right to privacy and our right to a fair trial. Krugman is a champion of a national health care plan and has now acknowledged the dark side of free trade.
Truthseekers point is the old one about Nazi Germany. "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew. And then they came for me...and by that time there was no one left up to speak up."
A politican's job, said Howard Zinn, is to win. A citizen's job is speak up for what is right.
I left dailykos over a year ago because of the shrill and yes, militant brownshirt "Obama or the highway" crowd. And if this site becomes a place for blind faith, I'm out of here too. I don't like being told what to think and how to behave.
For a breath of fresh air I rely on blackagendareport.com, blackcommentator.com, the new internationalist, watchingamerica, znet, and alternet.com.
April 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good comment!
April 10, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, it wasn't. Thus, it was the perfect response for truthseeker not giving a fair assessment of what JudyAnn wrote. Knowing NCSteve, he might just have been making that meta-point.
April 10, 2009 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And my point is that over the last couple of weeks I have officially become completely fed the hell up with having any and every reasoned defense or advocacy of the administration's policies gets condescendigly dismissed with the magic words "cultist" or "kool-aid drinker" or "liberal dittohead."
Responding to that by, in effect, saying "oh, I don't have to actually engage your ideas with ideas or try to refute your argument because you're just a kool-aid drinking cultist and therefore what you say is unworthy of consideration. Merely saying that means I win.
More importantly, however, are you guys completely blind to the mindnumbing, gobsmacking irony, and indeed utter hypocrisy, inherent in a dissenter whining about having his or her own oppositional viewpoint opposed? Can you not see that by accusing people who defend the status quo of trying to stifle your voice, you are, in effect, complaining that the field isn't occupied by you and those who agree with you? Do you not even see in how many ways threatening to withdraw your voice to sites where everyone does agree with you utterly undercuts your own argument?
And hey, way to violate Godwin's Law there. Comparing the people who are arguing with you to Nazis is always a great way to spark a reasoned, civil dialogue. But as long as we've already gone where no discussion on the Internet should go, let me remind you that for the first half of the NSDAP's existance, the Nazis were the insurgents and democracy was the status quo. Just because you are dissenting doesn't automatically make you right. Defending the status quo doesn't automatically make me wrong.
However, aside from my well-known touchiness about being even tangentially compared to murdering fascists, am I unfairly unloading baggage I've been accumulating for the last several weeks onto you? Probably.
Sorry. Like I said, I have offically had all I can take of both the infuriating, condescending dismissal of any defense of the administration's policies as the product of some form of quasi-religious delusion and with the constant "look, look, 'e's oppressin' me!" whining from the dissenters.
April 10, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting! Just like you observed that there are people who people who praise Obama 24/7/365, I've seen that there are people who think Krugman & Co. are right 24/7/365.
April 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still go to HuffPo. My first comments ever were done there and there is still useful content and actual journalism being done there.
However, the Drudge-like headlines, the growing importance of celebrity gossip, fashion news and general crap content (seriously, why should anyone give a flying fuck what happened on "the View" yesterday?) is simply noxious. Their comment section degenerated into halfwitted anarchic gabble even before the '06 midterms, the monitoring is arbitrary and capricious and the limitation on length kills the possibility of meaningful dialog.
Worst of all for me, though, has been the herky-jerky, freezy disfunctionality of the front page over the last year caused by the way it downloads massive amounts of ad server content,popup ads and celebrity gossip video clips every time you open the damn front page. It's kind of symbolic of everything that's gone wrong with it.
April 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Worst of all for me, though, has been the herky-jerky, freezy disfunctionality of the front page over the last year caused by the way it downloads massive amounts of ad server content,popup ads and celebrity gossip video clips every time you open the damn front page."
Amen, Steve. It's become so inconvenient that I often don't visit JUST BECAUSE their page bitch slaps my browser.
April 10, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was just thinking about this when I saw this post. I am not going on Huffpost any more! She just is trying to get more business her way, it's all about money. Just wait she will sell the website soon! It's worth a billion? maybe before the meltdown?
April 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huffingtonpost practices a rigorous policy of censoring posts critical of Huffington's financial patrons, whom it protects as members of the "extended Huffingtonpost family." And of course, posts which criticize Arianna herself, are never allowed.
April 10, 2009 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that the hpost looks less informative and more sensational..It is a 'puff' site.... Hard news is not reported in the US media...Try the International outlets...they do not play to the partisen politics universally!
April 10, 2009 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
as in ... PuffPo!
April 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant that to be a question mark.... sorry.
April 10, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I stopped going there on a routine basis because it takes so damn long for the page to load, and then after all that? Hardly worth the wait.
And I'm not a fan of celebrity bloggers, frankly. I really am not interested in Alec Baldwin's thoughts on anything.
April 10, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
But she's rich right? Never give up on the rich.
April 10, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPM is much better than Huffington. NO doubt about it. The Huffinton site is too hectic and would appear to utilize way too many Web 2.0 thingies for a lot of folks. I don't mind because I have the tech, but could see where slower connections and older computers would suffer.
That said, I visit there often, but only occasionally comment. Of course they highlight rightwing nutjobbery that might otherwise go unnoticed, but they do lean toward out side of the fence and I like Arianna. Smart old ladies are attractive to smart old men. Helen Thomas is the bomb.
Enjoy.
April 10, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've stopped viewing Huffington Post for the reasons others have stated -- misleading headlines, endless posts on Palin, Steele and movie celebrities.
I regularly read Jeralyn at Talkleft. She nice. However, one of the other principal bloggers there (whom I don't read anymore) has turned me off with vitriolic diatribes against contrary posts.
TPM I always access.
April 10, 2009 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we also get Rachel Maddow to stop talking to that lame, non-funny pop-culture dude at the end of her show???
Alec Baldwin is write: That writing sucks. Rachel's great b/c she's brilliant. Not a comedian. Bring out Josh Marshall for the last 5 minutes of each episode...
...TO RAKE REAL MUCK!
April 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree. The guy is seldom funny at all.
April 10, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maddow is not a comedienne, I don't know why they try to give her "bits", like the megaphone gimmick she was using. You can tell that she hates doing it too.
April 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention that the scripts and whatnot they have running on their site often have my browser crawling on its knees.
April 10, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I turned to HuffPost about a year ago now... I think immediately after the PA primary, as CNN was driving me to the brink of insanity at that point (I'd only recently had my political 'awakening', and being an expat, I needed to rely on the internet). For a long time, I found it was great- I became a regular poster, fought the good fight against the trolls, while avoiding being excessively venomous. I also posted a lot of opinions that sat poorly with the peanut gallery there, and caught a lot of abuse myself. It got me onto TPM, which is amazing, and other sites besides (although it was TPM that's sparked the other sites I still follow, such as 538 and Greg's new blog at whorunsgov) However, over time, Huffpost has become rather unpleasant. The headlines have nothing to do with the content at least half the time, they adopted the absurd flashing golbes on the sides of 'breaking, urgent news' ala Drudge. Even worse than that, the attacks from the 'left' (although I find these people who are representing themselves as such on HP don't actually know what they're talking about half the time). Its becoming frustrating, as the headlines have become sensationalist, and the quality of the comments have gone down (my favorite commenters there spend most of their time defending themselves from both sides now). As a result, I don't find myself commenting that much anymore.
Its a shame
April 10, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I usually read TPM and John Cole's Balloon Juice. I cherry pick what I read at Kos because some of the diaries can be more informative than the articles. I think I'm too pragmatic for HuffPost because I didn't expect great things out of Obama and decided very early that I had more things I liked about him than I didn't like. What I have no patience for is when people complain that he's not left enough and if they'd done their research, they'd have seen that he was never to the left. He's always been a compassionate centrist. I may be naive but I take the voting process very seriously and research what someone's views are before I make the decision to vote for them. Otherwise I'm not voting FOR them, I'm voting AGAINST the opponent.
April 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is definitely not what it used to be. Since the election it appears to be about sensationalism. Arianna has her own agenda and I wouldn't be surprised if she were looking for a MSM gig or a future in politics. Many of the frequent posters their have long been gone.
April 18, 2009 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm also giving up Huffington Post. In addition to sensationalism that makes FOX News look like amateurs and misleading information, they give more print to Rush Limbaugh than Obama. If I cared what Rush said I'd listen to his program; I'm sick of seeing him in every other article on HuffPo. TPM and Daily Beast only from now on.
April 22, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink