On Underwear and Comments
So let me see if I get this. By disabling comments a poster believes he or she is raising the level of discourse, by silencing discourse.
This is pretty much the read I get when I hear reasons for using the disable comments function. They are tired of hearing some say fuck- off or the like to their post. Well I get that, but so what. Some people are rude. Some people use profanity because that's all they have - the attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully. However getting all in a lather about it just adds fuel to the fire you think they are trying start. By disabling you are actually validating rude behavior - They have shut you up. How? Disabling comments, in my opinion, is a sure way over time to be ignored and marginalized.
The other excuse seems to be - I am tired of nobody agreeing with anything I say. I am tired of people attacking my opinion. I am tired of people being so blind that they cannot see that I am right. So, I not going to allow it to happnen. To these folks I say, maybe it's because your arguments are lacking to the TPM readers. And if you are so sensitive maybe you should be writing an old school diary that gets locked and hidden away in your underwear drawer for only you to read. So either have the courage of your convictions or stop taking up space.
You are now free to tell me fuck off or I am full of it.





Well reasoned.
November 17, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! Just wanted to comment. 'Cuz I can.
Thanks for that. :)
November 17, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to be of some small service ;)
November 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
My dad used to try to convince me that use of profanity was the sign of a weak mind. I didn't buy it when I was sixteen and I still don't.
Words are available to be employed when they best suit situation as well as the intention and the mood of the speaker/writer. All words. I agree that there are some that go beyond the pale--and there is generally a societal penalty for employing them--but garden variety profanity is not only sometimes necessary, it's also sometimes fun!
November 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Point taken. Maybe I should have said -at times it is the attempt ...
November 17, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with your Dad. Profanity IS a sign of a weak mind.
Especially when there's so much wonderful OBSCENITY available. I also find obscenities to be a much more flexible part of the language. I can pretty much carry on an entire conversation using nothing but.
Oh.... you'd noticed. :-(
November 17, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe in the recent instances here the commenters are both (a) convinced of their own "correctness" and unwilling to permit others to disagree with them in "their" spaces, and (b) sufficiently wrong in both cases that they inevitably generate a large number of disagreements - at which point disputes ensue, and tempers rise. At that point, people will get surly, as anyone with even a brief acquaintance with human nature can verify.
That the surliness arises after repeated attempts to gainsay the straw-man "arguments" both repeatedly raise is a testament to both the good sense of the majority of posters here and the pigheadedness of the two comment-disablers in question.
And it is also a sign of cowardice on their part. After they have seen repeated refutations, and know that they have regularly put up assertions that are largely without merit, they still insist on doing so, while being unwilling to face up to being called out for it.
I, and others, do not feel the need to gladly suffer fools. When some bring the equivalent of simian feces-throwing to these environs, I will respond harshly, and so will many others. And when that happens, it is very often well-deserved. So to those who hide behind disabled comments - and you know who you are - when you come into others' threads, it's logical to expect to be ill-treated. You've invited it, in large measure, by your earlier behavior elsewhere.
November 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
By disabling comments, some trolls have found a new way of flinging dung to attract attention - attention being what they crave.
November 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see that and also that having blogs by such posters staying in recommended posts even though it may only have one recommend? and in support that without comments to refute or debate the blog it is not a great representation of the community...
This is why I emailed TPM and asked them to remove the 'disable comments' option. It has become a huge distraction for the community and while it gives us 'something to do' and gives the blogger LOTS of attention which apparently they are craving... I would like to simply remove the distraction so we can get back to more interesting dialogues.
November 17, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am glad Al has it show in the main page list, but I am pretty sure it is only an off-the-shelf attribute in the Movable Type setup. It was not present in the other software used in the past.
I don't see its value except to site owners, like Josh. It is stupid here.
November 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
As one previously driven insane by David Seaton, and guilty of profane explosions as a result, I am sorry that I have helped provide him with evidence for his lame excuse re: disabling comments (some of us bad people were too mean to him).
However, to anyone who ever paid attention to his posts and tried in vain to engage in dialogue with him, it is obvious that his primary reason for disabling comments is that he never gave a damn what anyone else had to say, unless they were kissing his preening ass.
November 17, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't mean to say that anyone here who succeeded in squeezing an actual ounce of communication out of DS was neccessarily kissing his bum. Some measure of agreement with him would sometimes do the trick. But he certainly preferred fawning reverence.
November 17, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You said "ass". Heehee.
November 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wipe that smirk off your puss, you crypto-feline!
November 17, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this comments enabled post, jsfox. I think we're working toward some sort of consensus here. Truthseeker77 put up a comments enabled post this morning. As far as I can tell, Seaton is the only self-important nit left who insists on being allowed to pontificate without consequence. Well, fuck him. :) Oops, sorry. Not really.
November 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
A visual I choose not contemplate
November 17, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure I've seen a post offering such a difficult choice before JS. Hmmmm. Ok. If I HAVE to choose, then I select...
"Fuck off."
"Fuck off" just packs more punch than "You're full of it."
Besides, how can a poster still be "full of it" when they've just written a post? Surely the simple act or writing & posting would leave them down a quart. Or in some he case of some posters, maybe even a gallon.
I know I feel drained after writing a post. Need at LEAST a gallon of it to reach my optimum "it" levels.
Seaton may be the exception. I think he's overflowing with it. A veritable Shit-spring. Gotta be some way to harness all that biogas. A national asset, I'd say. ;-)
November 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I suppose one could be told to fuck off because they are full of it, half full or even in rare cases need to go get "it" in the first place.
November 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck off, you're shit-free?
Not sure that really works for me, JS. ;-)
November 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well when your right, your right. It doesn't work when you actually see it put into practice.
November 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally I just decided that I was posting here to be "on the record", but that there was no reason to hang so much garbage on what I take certain pains to write.
If you'll notice, most serious bloggers either filter or moderate their blogs and more than frequently disable comments altogether, because they simply haven't got the time to wade through so much drecch.
I miss the pointed comments of jsfox, for example, but anybody who wants to contact me or engage in discussion is welcome to. I'm easy to find.
November 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Serious bloggers" eh wot? Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!!! Have a jolly good wank over there in your "serious" isolation chamber! Know what I mean, know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink, SAY NO MORE!?!?!?!!!
November 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
TT,
You are a prime example of what I am talking about. Who in their right mind would want to take the trouble to write something as well as they can, just to see hairy-palmed, acne-ridden tripe like you excrete hung on it.
November 18, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am actually very easy to get along with, but I do not suffer fools or bullies gladly, and I allowed you to drive me insane, unfortunately. Your particular brand of condescension pushes all my buttons, and once you acknowledged to me a while back that you felt contempt for the American electorate, I got up in arms and completely lost my cool.
I think it's amusing that in your justifications for terminating comments, so far you have not shown a shred of awareness of any responsibility on your part for the attacks you receive here. You could be an accepted and even welcomed member of TPM if you treated your readers with respect and actually wanted to engage in discussion. But I guess your real interest is in displaying the "products" of your presumed superior intellect without having them marred by the fingerprints of the rabble. For that you need a museum, not a forum.
November 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well David since you have decide that posting here was just to be on the record and now decided that is no longer necessary, can I assume that you will be no longer posting here? Or do you still want to be on the record, but will broach no dissent.
If the former is the case wouldn't have been easier just to post a GBCW diary and have done with it. If it is the latter, I'm sorry as far as I'm concerned you will not be on record since you choose not to engage.
November 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I write. I am on the record. If I don't choose to hang all this crud on the tail of my post, its my choice. You don't have to read it. Do you really imagine I care?
November 18, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well if you don't care then why care about all the "crud" hung on the end?
I'm sorry, there is just not an argument for turning comments off that is going to make much sense to me.
November 18, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have always suspected some main page contributors on foreign policy (think tank people) left here for that similar reasons. At first, they would spent a good amount of time on quality posts, but then get long threads including lengthy trollish play of people calling each other names on them. I would think of it from their P.O.V., that they couldn't point to them for resume purposes because there were too many trashy comments on them. I would think, gawd, if I were them, I wouldn't want my colleagues to see this, I would try to get it taken off google, too. After trying it out for a while, I saw some start to just post things that were less work, and then post less and less, and then fade away. I suspect they decided that blogging on this site under their real name was not for them for that reason, no value added, just mainly negatives. If you are posting on topics related to your employment, you have to have some control about what gets posted as comments on your thread under your real name, otherwise it reflects on your name.
November 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know what you're saying aa and of course that's one reason I post here as an oddly named pro wrestler. But... look at Rotwang! There are alternatives.
I think the problem with a lot of the foreign policy main page posters that have left the site is that they were posting posting ideas that were wildly unpopular with the readers here and were then ignoring the comments, that got more and more heated as people felt like they were being neglected and lectured to.
November 17, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The level of the comments here is getting very low. If you look at the blogs at the Financial Times or the (moderated-filtered) comments on Juan Cole's, you'll see what I mean.
November 18, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Artappraiser,
You are spot on target. That is exactly the point. You cannot use anything here as a serious reference of your work with all this tail of garbage tied to it. If the moderators don't take control of this nobody with an IQ hinger than a soccer score will want to post here.
November 18, 2008 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a great thread! Of course, having said that, no doubt the nay-sayers will be commenting next!
November 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the point of even posting here with the comments disabled? I mean... comments are kind of the only way we have of knowing that people are reading our little essays and blog posts.
Maybe people don't care if they're being read or not, but if that's the case, there are easier ways to masturbate online.
November 17, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I've had quite a few private emails on my posts here recently. Many people who write me seem relieved not to risk having their comments publicly attacked with potty profanity and teen-queen sexual innuendo.
November 18, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like a serious blogger takes responsibility by running his own site, not trying to grab traffic from elsewhere. But Mr. Seaton wants the traffic without the work. He is benefiting from Josh's work, as are we all. We also contribute to Josh's success with our traffic, but the quid for the quo is we get to post. Seaton abuses that relationship. Might be "legal" but it's small, cheap.
If he wants editorial control, that is available at his site, which his posts do not encourage me to visit. Hoping I will go there simply to try and get past his censorship seems like wishful thinking.
November 17, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
So far the comments have almost ALL been about COMMENTS! The title was 50% about underwear, and I would like to see equal time for that much-ignored topic! For example, Sarah Palin's children were said by her father to have lost their expensive underwear that the RNC made her buy them.
Today at work we almost ran out of a particular medical supply and I wondered out loud if we women-folk were going to have to rip up our petty-coats to make bandages -- I then confessed that I don't own any petty-coats. Aha! Another underwear reference!
I was checking out the shoes on an internet site and someone walked by and noted that the shoes reminded them of "thongs."
I have more references, but since I work in the field of gynecology I will spare all of you.
Someone else needs to step up to the plate.
November 17, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great laugh therapy!
November 17, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama said the brothers need to pull up their pants, so there.
November 17, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely right, Jan.
Did anyone else's mother give the lecture about underwear and car accidents?
I was in college, wearing my second-to-the-worst pair of underwear when the accident occurred. I remember consoling myself during the ambulance ride that at least I had some on.
November 18, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boxers or briefs?
November 17, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not censoring you. You can write anything in your space that you want to.
November 18, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you here? Your name will show up on this thread, too, if you're avoiding searches showing unpleasant comments.
Writers like Dean Baker an Steve Clemons take comments, and they stick around. You're the exception here, and a freeloader for trying to get your traffic from here to your own site. If Josh would put your site on the list in front that would be different.
Why you deserve to be able to use this as an archive of serious work, for your benefit, is not clear. Stay at your own site, or join the community.
November 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Community?
Who are you to preach?
November 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink