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Military Coup, Here? Just sayin'


If you thought the wing-nuts were going to run short on imagination or audacity, think again.

 Newsmax has apparently pulled the story, I've updated link to media matters archive.

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I have just prepared myself for this type of talk for the next seven years. It will never stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCHPZyJC-4

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Any person advocating such a thing is committing treason.

The author of that piece should be (at least) imprisoned.

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Where is the hue and cry Grouch?

It is up to us.

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OMG - Who is this whacko Perry? Any background?

I totally agree with OG above!

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Sam, I found this. He can spew with the worst of them.


http://darkwindow.blogspot.com/2004/08/john-l-perry-defending-american.html

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I can't help but note that at every base I have been too (about 8) the TVs were all tuned to Faux.

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That's because they aren't charged a fee. AFN Europe is more than happy to broadcast any television show currently running in the States especially if there's no price tag attached. CNN is a close second too.

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"That's because they aren't charged a fee."

Would that it were that simple. Propaganda has gone public.

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This is a right wing wet dream, but fortuantely our military is far less of a right wing looney bin than the right would likes to fantasize about. Our rightists are not good Americans. They are would be fascists plain and simple. Most of our military and certainly our officer corps is not at all that way.

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Apropos of Saladin's comment, above, Pat Lang, hardly an alarmist, is concerned, too.

I listened to the talking heads on Fox News Sunday and was struck by Senator Kit Bond's apparent support of the putative resistance of at least some flag officers to the authority of the president of the United States. Bond spoke strongly in favor of having Generals McChrystal and Petraeus explain to Congress what their opinion is (as opposed to the opinion of the president/commander in chief) as to what the policy and strategy of the United States should be.

This is actually an incitement to mutiny. Pat Lang

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I understand the fear but it's important to understand just who these people are and from whence they've sprung. They are, in effect, the reactionary political legacy of the traitors of the Confederacy. They don't all need to be from the south of course. There were plenty of northerners who sympathized and those of the treasonous mindset can be found in every section of the country. The paranoid frenzy we are seeing now is a separate, but related issue with respect to race.

The extremist right wing of American politics manifested itself from the beginning arm in arm with the cause of slavery. It has since morphed from slavery into anti-unionism and unrestrained corporate power, etc... These people have historically resorted to this sort of rhetoric and they have historically fantasized openly about insurrection, treason, etc... whenever they believe that they are losing power or control. Despite Obama's timid and restrained efforts to rescue the economy the right wing freakazoids, no longer in power are experiencing the political equivalent of delirium tremens as they have done before.

Right wing extremists who detested FDR and the New Deal plotted the overthrow of Roosevelt and had their plot exposed by Gen. Smedley Butler who they had approached to lead the coup. The people who cleave to this political philosophy of the fascistic supremacy of predatory wealth are in a constant state of readiness and are always preparing for a putsch. They are dangerous people no doubt, and they seem never to lack for money, but the one thing they never count on is that the people are not with them, not even close. They represent a smaller segment of the population today than they have in probably the last 100 years. Nor, it is important to add, is the military in any significant way in sympathy with them or their goals.

Elements of the military industrial complex feared and hated JFK too and both publicly and behind the scenes did all they could to undermine his presidency. Some think they arranged or participated in his murder. Nobody knows the truth on that since the Warren Commission chose to hide whatever the actual truth is. But we do know that there were officers, both active military and retired, prepared to commit treason in the name of reactionary, fascistic goals at that time.

The very same element attempted what amounted to a bloodless coup against Clinton. Has anyone ever seen a less legitimate assault on a sitting President in our history than the now infamous blowjob driven spaz attack we all witnessed in the 90's?

Given the history of this faction over the centuries, can anyone be at all surprised that they once again cannot restrain themselves when the first black President takes office? Ever since it became clear Obama would be the Democratic nominee these people have been doing one Linda Blair performance after another. And every time they see that their histrionics have failed (as the recent NYT/CBS poll demonstrated on healthcare) it's like spritzing holy water on the possessed girl right down to the foul mouthed howling and extreme efforts to intimidate and frighten.

I have faith that while there are reactionary elements in the military, the vast majority of the men and women in the officer corps are loyal to the United States Constitution and to the law. They neither agree with nor are they willing to support a putsch, a coup, or any other illegal treasonous move against the government in general or the President in particular. Further, I believe there are millions upon millions of ordinary Americans who will not sit idly by if any such effort were attempted. What needs to be done is to draw this element out into the open and let them identify themselves clearly so they can be put down as they should be.

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still, it seems, IOIYAR.

Even treason.

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This guy is worried about a military coup?
Check this out.
http://www.thedailypatriot.net/?p=90
It's of rundown of every military style camp in every state of the union and how to best utilize these camps in the event of Marshall Law. The Crazy has been worried about socialism for a long time.

Honest to gawd.

The Crazy never sleeps.

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Already happened? Read James Douglass's JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE.

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Haven't read the links but am hoping that the recession has driven enough ordinary Americans into the military to disrupt any coup attempt by the crazies. That was one of the good things about the draft compared to a volunteer army.

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Agreed. The draft didn't discriminate. It didn't care who you were. Some of the people I ran into were definitely the type that didn't belong uniform, but were doing their time and making the best of a bad situation. Although today's military is a little too gung-ho, I don't think there's a wing king out there willing to configure his fleet with anti-personnel mines and drop them over any city in the US. I think they all know the first time anyone in uniform did, the entire world financial system would blow a gasket and everyone would flee US stocks, bonds and markets for safer havens. The entire country would be bankrupt within a matter of hours.

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Beetlejuice, it is sad, but possibly true, if your conclusion is correct that the thing that would prevent a coup is the financial repercussions. If you are correct, then as soon as it looks like a coup could save the U.S. financial system we can expect one to happen. No?

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"Newsmax has apparently pulled the story,"

Not as of 8:30 central time, Perry's raving lunacies were still up and available for any gun-totin' wingnut crazy to read and foam-ent over.

http://www.newsmax.com/john_perry/

Here's his whole body of work for Newsmax, this guy is one of those terminally literate idiots whose literacy has never managed to assuage their idiocy.

It says as much about Newsmax as it does about Perry.

More proof that prejudice outweighs education in too many people.

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@flowerchild: It's MARTIAL law, martial as in military.

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@flowerchild: It's MARTIAL law, martial as in military.

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Jonnie, do you think that Perry was inspired by Honduras?

Let's see - we now have a roster of "bloodless coups" - Venezuela (failed); Haiti (failed) ; Honduras (hopefully failing).

Yeah, why should the U.S. be exempt? Oh, Hell...I'm having a Frank Zappa & MOI flashback:

"It can't happen here,
"It can't happen here,
I'm telling you my dear,
It can't happen here.

Who could imagine...that they would freak-out
In Minnesota
mini mini mini mini mini sota.....

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I think it's more likely he'd seen "Seven Days in May". Otherwise the alternatives would be he has the hots for local secret service agent or he is bat-shit crazy. It's one thing to think these absurd thoughts it's quite another to place them in print.

Sedition doesn't require one to openly advocate an overthrow, only to incite. He and his editors must have been informed of this nuance.

It would be interesting to know if Newsmax has ever pulled an article before.

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"he is bat-shit crazy."

I'll wager Occam's razor on that one...

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Just what we want -- a modern Alien and Sedition Act.

Talk about being "bat shit crazy"!

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We have this on the books now,

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2385

If you think having laws against overthrowing our elected gov't is bat-shit crazy, you must be that dining room table Congressman Frank was referring to.

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Didn't Sinclair Lewis say something along the lines of "If fascism comes to America, it will arrive wrapped in the flag and toting a Bible."?

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“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”- Sinclair Lewis

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Sounds a lot like the 21st Century Republican Party to me...

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Thanks for the actual quote. I could only remember the gist and not the actual words.

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Here's the real issue; how many already-on-the-edge wingnuts will now be telling one another "the military wants to take out Obama" as if it a fact.

"I heard about it from someone who read it on Newsmax, it's gotta be true."

Like "I saw it on Fox, it must be accurate."

Give them a lie and they'll take a mile.

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Similarly, this is from the other day:


Secret Service Investigating Facebook Poll Asking Whether Obama Should Be Killed

The Secret Service is investigating the circumstances surrounding an eye-opening Facebook poll that asked whether Obama should be assassinated, a Secret Service spokesman confirms to us.

“We are taking the appropriate investigative steps,” the spokesman, Ed Donovan, told our reporter, Amanda Erickson. “We are aware of it.”

The poll asked: “Should Obama be killed?” It offered four choices: No, Maybe, Yes, and Yes if he cuts my health care.

The poll, of course, is only the latest example of the sort of viral incitment to violence that flares up when the sparks of anti-Obama hatred are fed oxygen by the bellows of the Internets. While anyone can put up such a poll, this kind of stuff is a sign of the moment — as David Kurtz put it, it’s akin to graffiti on the virtual wall of our times.

According to a source, the Secret Service has contacted Facebook and asked them to take the poll down. And, indeed, it’s already down.

Given that the Secret Service is investigating the circumstances of the poll, it seems clear that they’re looking into who was behind it. More if we learn it.
To which a friend of mine commented:

I was an admin of another website and someone spewed something along the lines of this during Bush's administration. It sucked. We all (all the admins) pulled the thread out of public viewing, and the owner of the site contacted the USSS immediately. We found out later that if we had not done what we did, everyone associated with the site could have been investigated and piotentially charged.

This kind of thing should never be tolerated, indeed it should be treated as the crime it is.


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It seems to me that your "friend" should be more alarmed over the government's claim that it can "investigate and potentially charge" guiltless, uninvolved persons (admins of a website) than over whether the rantings of some idiot internet denizens pose some intolerable criminal threat to our -- what(?).

But then again, illegally threatening prosecution of circumspect citizens is how the government usually dragoons them into doing its bidding.

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