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Obama = "Interconnectedness" - Awesome Video


This is an incredible video on our mission and HIGHLY RECOMMEND watching this. A great line in this is "we need a President that understands interconnecteness".


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Great Video. Problem is you do not allow people to choose to listen. It automotically plays and there is not pause or stop option. Not cool. Can you fix that please? People should have the choice. I love the video though!! Where can I get it for audio only

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Just roll-over the video and the player controls become visible. I am not sure he can change the parameters of the player.

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I'd love to have it open and allow choice but I do not know how. The player from Vimeo does that unlike youtube.

Click on the vimeo logo and go to the page there on this and you can see who did it and then google them

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Well I figured out that even though you can't see it if you run you cursor over the bottom of the video screen the controls show up and you can stop, pause, and play. Thanks.

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MC Yogi, eh? I like this.

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Beautiful video ... BUT what about the freedom and rights of the pre-born human beings? Don't they have inalienable rights? Were they not granted these rights by their Creator?

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This is a human rights issue.

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Sorry; most of us around here support keeping the government's hands off women's bodies. If you don't believe abortions should happen, that's your business. Besides, there are many issues, not just one, that shape one's decision on how to vote.

Now, where we? Ah, yes. MC Yogi.

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The fact that Republicans try to paint Democrats as pro abortion instead of what we ACTUALLY are, PRO CHOICE (you know.......that staying out of people's businesses like you conservatives love to talk about)is a pure farcity of epic proportions.

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I'm 100% against abortion--and I'm 100% pro choice. I don't like abortion, but I believe in individual rights: We get to do what we want with our own bodies, male or female.

I understand that you believe that the fetus has rights that trump its mother's.

I don't.

To me, it's simple: The woman who's carrying the fetus gets to choose. If she chooses abortion, I don't agree with her, but I more than respect her right to make her own choices. I'll fight for it, in the same way that I'll fight for your freedom to express your views. I strongly doubt that you'll convince me, but go on with it with my encouragement... even though I fundamentally disagree with you.

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No. There is no Creator to grant rights. Rights are an abstraction invented by people writing a social contract. We will argue till the end of time about this. The unborn are parasites on the Host organism. You will not control MY biological destiny. It's none of your damn business. Take your personal morality and stick it where the sun don't shine.

I am free and will fight you to remain free.

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There is no Creator to grant rights.

Wow. That's really disappointing news.

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Well, consider the notion that the 'Creator' is an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated. That any aspect of the natural Universe is 'created' is unverifiable, and the existance of a supernatural 'Creator' is incapable of being known, within the context of a valid system of epistemology.

The evolution of rights in European thought began with the "Renaissance of Law" in the late-eleventh and early twelfth century. The first step of this Renaissance was the rediscovery of Justinian's Digest, the most important part of the Emperor Justinian's great codification of the sixth century. Jurist named Pepo and Irnerius gave lectures on the Digest, and students flocked to them. By the middle of the twelfth century, a vigorous and thriving Bolognese law school attracted students from all over Europe. At the same time, a jurist named Gratian compiled a systematically arranged textbook book of canon law, later called the Decretum, and began teaching in Bologna. These two branches of law, Roman and canon, quickly merged into a curriculum in which students studied both and received the degree of "Doctor utriusque iuris," Doctor of both laws. Most continental European law schools still confer this title on their graduates. The system of jurisprudence created by this revival of legal studies was called the Ius commune.

Historically speaking, a 'right' is a concept that exists only within the context of a legal system--where there is no law--the guy with the most might pretty much dictates your 'rights'.

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Well, consider the notion that the 'Creator' is an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated.

Your thoughts and ideas are an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated either. And yet you seem to have no problem accepting them as real.

...the existance of a supernatural 'Creator' is incapable of being known.

Why, then, would you refute it?

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'Your thoughts and ideas are an inherited cultural assumption that cannot be verified and validated either. And yet you seem to have no problem accepting them as real.'

False.

My thought and ideas are maps that point to the territory they symbolize. Wheel, hammer, plate are ideas that relate to specific use cases with specific verifiable criteria. They pass or fail.

But what is the territory that the idea of a 'Creator' maps to, in the sense of the 'presentation' of the Universe as a system in which we find our being in a situation?

Creator as a concept maps clearly to entities that create forms out of some medium, a sand painting out of colored sand, for instance, and a Destructor of some sort.

But to attempt to map the concept to the Universe is to do so only by anthropomorphic analogy. And what does the map posit? What does the mapper derive from the process? The ability to connect nothing with nothing? Believe it if you need it. It has no interest for me. And I certainly reject it as a justification for imposing upon my liberty with somebody elses notion of how I should behave.

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C4logic, if you have not already done so, you really should look at this book:

Abysmal: A Critique of Cartographic Reason Gunnar Olsson, University of Chicago Press [2007]

A distinguished Swedish scholar's magnum opus and summum vitae, and an exhilarating reading experience of a comprehensive and subtle mind tackling the deepest questions of meaning, reference, and human existence.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I have not read it. But there are maps and then there are maps. Map being the salient metaphor, we might see one map of the human form as a stick figure, another as Rembradt or Titian might compose them. They both point to the same territory, and you take their meaning without ambiguity, at a glance--yet their degree of information density is quite different. You might even say that one is minimalist, the other maximalist. This is true for every symbol, a container that holds a payload that points to something else. And the something else can never be known, even in its most naked expression--because our nervous system presents a symbolic representation of the object of perception. We can never know anything but through the mediation of the symbol. Yet, if you stop me on the street and ask me for a cigarette, and then proceed to pull a knife on me--your meaning is quite apparent, and there is no mystery regarding your intentions. However, if you then proceed to cut off the filter, or clean your fingernails, and say good evening slipping the blade into your pocket--why then my grasp of your 'meaning' was completely inaccurate--as initially perceived. Such is life, and such is the challenge of communication. "meaning" when applied to whole complex systems of interdependency, breaks down as a carrier of the payload. the wheels come off the axles. The clay feet shatter under the weight. That is why concepts like 'suchness' which are pointers to an ineffable manifestation of Being, are as close to the meaning of meaning we as we can approach with our limitations of form and perceptual boundary.

Martin Heidegger was right. The problem with modern people is that they no longer know how to answer the question: what is the Being of beings?

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sheerest admiration...

At least you and Hreb and others are still asking that question.

Being is constantly splitting into three and each reflect the others as a dream or phantasm. In the dance of the sign, signifier, and the signified, a noumenal real, the notion of selfhood arises, a pure fiction, but standing alone it feels itself real and ex nihilo and ad aeternum...

In meditation we go straight to the source of all cognition, all perception; abandoning language, we simply press forward with all our strength.

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Gassho

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In ancient times it was customary for a traveling monk seeking lodging at a Zen monastery to engage in dharma combat with the abbot or head monk. If the wayfarer won the debate, he could stay; if not, he had to seek quarters elsewhere.Once a master assigned his attendant to engage in such an encounter with a traveling monk, who challenged him to a silent debate. It so happened that this attendant had but one eye.Soon the wayfarer returned to the master, saying, "Your man is too good for me. I must journey on. I held up one finger to symbolize the Buddha. But he held up two fingers for the Buddha and the Dharma. So I held up three fingers for the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha. But then he held up a clenched fist to indicate they were all one - so I ran to indicate I am no match for him."When the traveler who spoke these words left, the attendant arrived - angry and out of breath. "Where is that rascal?" he demanded. "First, he insulted me by holding up one finger to indicate I had only one eye. Determined to be polite in spite of that, I held up two fingers to indicate that, on the other hand, he was blessed with two eyes. But he just kept rubbing it in, for next he held up three fingers to indicate that all together there were only three eyes among us. So I went to hit him and he ran off! Where is he hiding?"

I may have sat Zazen at your Zendo in a former incarnation. The yellow leaf outside my window shivers in the breeze.

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The thing you're missing is that there's no payload. There's nothing at the bottom of the well. No bottom. No well. Nothing to point at. Nothing to point with. No pointer. But still, there's something there...

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Well, I understand what you're trying to say but in linguistic terms it's nonsense. Anytime you create a form and present it as a proxy for something else the form has both structure and content. All this business about trying to use language to equate Being with Nothingness is, at bottom, nonsense and reminds me of the story of the Hotei Buddha.

One day while distributing food to little children from his bag, two scholars stopped the Hotei and one of them asked him: 'What is the significance of Zen?' The Hotei dropped his bag and frowned. The other scholar then asked, 'What is the actualization of Zen?' The Hotei smiled and hoisted his, proceeding on his way.

I 'seem' to be a verb.

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My thought and ideas are maps that point to the territory they symbolize. Wheel, hammer, plate are ideas that relate to specific use cases with specific verifiable criteria. They pass or fail.

Thoughts and ideas are ephemeral and provisional. They don't begin to touch reality, which is abstract and undefinable. They neither pass nor do they fail. You call a tree a tree, but "tree" is only a term that doesn't begin to describe the reality. It's a convenience, created for the purpose of discussion, but you can't rely on it for anything useful. The very cells of "your" body are completely different than the ones that made up "your" body on the day you were born. What do that wheel, that hammer and that plate mean to a dog? I'll eat off your hammer and pound nails with your plate.

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You attempt to divide 'reality' up into categories, when in fact, that is the process of abstraction. To say that objects are polymorphous because they can be put to different purposes is no great insight. You call the word tree a convenience--but you seem to forget that the context of the word tree is communication between entities separated by space and sometimes by time. I want to request that you cut down this tree. I could draw a picture of someone cutting down a tree and send it to you, but maybe you would not understand I want YOU to cut it down. Maybe you would think that I cut it down. I could draw a heart as well, and now we have hieroglyphics, but maybe you would think I love trees.

I look at a forest and I have no words. I run and stumble into a tree. The tree is the forest and the tree is not the forest. What did I strike?

The whole of the Universe consists of a relationship between what is manifest and what is unmanifest. But to say that the manifest is unreal or has no actuality because it reflects the unmanifest is to divide the Universe, which is indivisible in reality and point of fact. Not only that, but it offers no practical or pragmatic value. If I pound a nail with a plate. I call it a plate because that was it's raison d' etre. Just because it became a hammer doesn't mean it isn't also a plate a wall decoration or a pedestal for a steaming pile of shit. If it become a hat it still belongs to the class of plates. It has all the attributes that qualify the meaning and definition of plate. It has the uses of a plate, and the boundaries of a plate, and the essence of a plate. Even when I shatter it, is it still a plate. A shattered plate, but, a plate. A mummy in a sarcophagus is still a pharoah.

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p.s. The plate is only a hammer when it performs the duties of a hammer. In this particular case, we would say it implements the hammer interface which has two methods: grasp(lb per sq inch) and strike(lb per square inch).

If the dictionary showed the picture of a plate with the definition: anything and everything. Well then it would be the Object of objects, wouldn't it?

And isn't an object which is anything and everything also nothing and nowhere?

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There are many human rights issues to consider; it's not just about abortion. If the right-to-lifers spent a little more time worrying about the rights and the welfare of post-born human beings, I might take their arguments a little more seriously. Instead, the same people who want to deny some unwed mother living below the poverty line the right to terminate an unwanted and unaffordable pregnancy also want to deny that mother the benefit of public assistance once the baby is born. The right-to-lifers love the fetus, but once the baby is born, that's where the concern for its welfare usually ends.

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Very cool.

Rec'd

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Hot 2 Def! FYAAhhh!!!!

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Agreed. Totally awesome!

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Well. I had 3 abortions. I regret them now. Those babies had rights that I stripped from them. If my state did not allow abortion then I would have had to think a little more about my "choice". I would have had to travel to NYC or CA or another pro-abortion state. As it was, it was less trouble to get an abortion than to get a tooth pulled. There needs to be more restrictions, especially with underage kids.

So I don't want the "Freedom of Choice" bill passed which will remove all restrictions that are now in place. I don't want pro-abortion judges appointed. I want Roe vs. Wade overturned so that the individual states can decide what abortion rights their state has.

If abortion had been illegal in my state, then I would be "forced" to have my children. I would be enjoying them now, even if I had to make an adoption plan for them since I was so young.

As it is, I am now the mother of 3 dead children because of my freedom to choose. I can no longer have children. My "choice" was extremely stupid.

I don't think that murder should be a freedom that we have unless it is in self defense. How can an innocent child be subject to my choice to kill him or her legally?

At one time, slavery was legal. Yet it was morally and objectively wrong. People could vote to make it a choice to have slavery legal in their state. Thankfully it is no longer legal because it was so very very wrong and evil. So it abortion. It is an evil act and very wrong.

I don't wish abortion on anyone: mother, fathers or children. We deserve much better than that.

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Don't WISH anything on anybody. The lives of others are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

You take care of your feelings and regrets, and I will take care of mine. You have a serious boundaries problem.

Stay they hell out of my backyard and leave my freedoms alone. I honor my regrets. They are mine and mine alone!

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Stop worrying about the speck and worry more about the mote, OK?

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Do you think that you would have been a nurturing, and loving mother; that you would have read to your children and given them a secure life? If you say yes, then I think you are deluding yourself. I see children every day who are not wanted and uncared for by those who are supposed to be their loving gardians.

I also see embryos, (which are NOT children, but are multi-celled organisms) get transferred into waiting uteri, 50% of which don't implant. The ones that do usually become wanted infants.

By the way, my best friend had two abortions after she had one baby which she gave up for adoption. She regrets having the baby and does not regret the abortions. Whoever started this fiction about a sperm and an egg equalling a baby, and putting that kooky idea under the title of "family values" certainly had the low-information voters in mind. They also had a selfish agenda because people vote for them regardless of all the other crap they pull; it is the same bunch that love to go to war and shoot living breathing people.

My advice, if you feel guilty for your abortions: go and volunteer to teach teenagers about contraception so that fewer abortions will happen. In other words, make a difference.

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They also had a selfish agenda because people vote for them regardless of all the other crap they pull; it is the same bunch that love to go to war and shoot living breathing people.

Worse than that, they make people like ma feel guilty about killing an embryo/fetus that probably didn't even have any neurons in its brain yet (those develop around week 21 or so).

I'm not saying that abortions should be entered into lightly (as they do care risks), but let's not equate something that has no brain cells with an infant. (Yes, ma, I know some people have abortions after week 21. Do you know the percentage? Do you know how many of them are genuinely to protect the health of the mother?)

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I want a leader that understands Commoner's Laws:

1. There is No such thing as a free lunch.
2. Everything is connected to everything.
3. Everything has to go somewhere.
4. Nature knows best.

Until leadership understands these fundamental laws--we are DOOMED.

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Awesome video .. rec'd and appreciated!

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