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		    <title>Jim Sleeper Commented on Here They Go Again by Jim Sleeper</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>An off-screen commenter congratulated me today for being a such a terrific hater of David Brooks. That's not quite the distinction I aspire to in the above post, which was written at the cocktail hour, and I would be grateful if more readers would supplement it with two substantiations of the indictment against Brooks -- two other, more down-to-cases posts that are linked above and that I link again here:</p>

<p>The first takes George Packer and The New Yorker to task for having tried to rehabilitate Brooks for polite society without truly assessing whether and how he has reckoned with his own past work.</p>

<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/18/the_conservatives_conundrum_an/index.php">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/18/the_conservatives_conundrum_an/index.php</a></p>

<p>The second -- written, if I may say, so, with a more commendably controlled anger than the cocktail-hour post here above, assesses Brooks' incredibly irresponsible (and un-Burkean) account of the great mortgage meltdown of 2008. Here I expose Brooks' intellectual usury, an equivalent of predatory lending in the realm of ideas:</p>

<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/22/intellectual_usury_feels_good/">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/22/intellectual_usury_feels_good/</a></p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, depending on what you mean, you might offend me and some of fellow commenters here at TPM. I'm not sure that social libertinism advances social justice in sustainable ways. A society needs a bit more consensus and (shudder) conformity to certain principles and norms of justice in order to achieve it. </p>

<p>And you'll certainly offend sanctimonious hypocrites on the religious right. But you probably won't offend conservative libertarians!</p>]]>
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	<title><![CDATA[Jim Sleeper recommended The Conservatives&apos; Conundrum -- and Ours by Jim Sleeper]]></title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I have no idea. But even though yours is not a question but a statement, I'll add that the editorial board of the World Affairs Journal is eclectic -- meaning that neo-cons and leftists, conservatives and liberals are on it and that they actually read one another's arguments there. The journal has published essays by Todd Gitlin, Michael Kazin, Ronald Steel, and others who aren't strangers to TPM readers. But it has also published essays by neo-conservatives, and in my opinion the current edition (in which my own piece appears) is far too over-loaded with neo-connish writing that's not to my taste or, frankly, my intellectual or moral standard. </p>

<p>Then again, as TPM readers know, The New Yorker isn't always to my taste or standard, either:</p>

<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/18/the_conservatives_conundrum_an/index.php">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/18/the_conservatives_conundrum_an/index.php</a></p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for raising this issue, Destor23. By "today's liberal free-for-all," I mean basically the tendency of classically liberal marketplace to subvert or overthrow all moral rules, including those of justice, in favor of narrowly procedural rules based on a narrow conception of human motivations and needs. </p>

<p>That -- and not the 1960s' "liberalism" of cultural liberals who are assailed by the right - is what has created such a violent, depraved public culture, bypassing citizens' brains and hearts in direct appeals to their lower viscera to enhance the "bottom line." Whatever you can convince people to buy, you're allowed to try. That's not leadership, it's demagoguery, both commercially and politically. That's what I mean by the "free-for-all" -- the sense that there are no rules or norms of justice and social solidarity.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Obama believes that he is playing a long, slow game, against tremendous odds, with only limited support from people who were as wildly happy about his campaign as they'd have been about an extended Michael Jackson performance but who have not mobilized themselves -- ourselves -- enough to give him a Congress that can do enough of what needs to be done.</p>

<p>You may well be right, oleeb, and I wrote this post and the World Affairs Journal essay that's linked to it on the assumption that, as I say in the latter, if Obama fails we will all find ourselves looking through the gaping holes in the neo-liberal conventional wisdom and hoping to find deeper currents or touchstones for a better politics. If we can't find them, we're done for, but I write to keep that part of the prospect open, not to throw in the towel, as others above have done.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I just hope you're not underestimating the supposed primitives in caves -- or overestimating how primitive we ourselves are becoming! The Puritans didn't think that the Pequots were their equals, and now the descendents of the latter are selling firewater and gambling to flaccid legatees of the former...</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, this comment is pretty much a rant by someone who has read the piece through a lens that's worn and scratched:</p>

<p>"The stolid old conservatives you imagine, who actually aspire to some Old Republic ideal of 'ordered liberty', don't exist anymore outside a few faculty clubs, prep school common rooms and northeast salons and magazine offices."</p>

<p>I think that only some embittered exile from leafy campuses would argue that the World Affairs Journal I linked is fit only for "a few faculty clubs, prep school common rooms, and northeast salons and magazine offices."  </p>

<p>Probably the best way to understand the essay is to read its paragraph on fragmentary historiography and "pearl divers." These have their time and place, no matter how many or few in the madding crowd have time for them. As I noted in a comment above, most of my TPM posts have been about things such as the corporate speech matter or Jimmy Carter's comments about the racism in the opposition to Obama. But every so often it helps to dive below the surface and ride some undercurrents, not just gesture at them from nowhere.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Here at TPM I recently wrote two posts on the important problem of corporate "free speech" in campaigns, which commenter Why Oh Why rightly identifies as a fundamental issue. </p>

<p>Here they are:</p>

<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/07/watch_out_for_wednesdays_other_donnybrook/index.php">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/07/watch_out_for_wednesdays_other_donnybrook/index.php</a><br />
<a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/09/the_supreme_court_delivered_a_laugh_a_minute/)">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/09/the_supreme_court_delivered_a_laugh_a_minute/)</a></p>

<p>But every so often we have to dive deeper -- not into psychoanalysis of the players but into paradigmatic divisions in the human heart, and into belief systems that are strong enough to cope with them. That's what I've tried to do, in American terms, in the essay I link in the post. </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>There's a lot more to say about the meaning(s) of "liberal" than I have time for here, but my post and Chronicle letter are really about another elephant in the room where these often-internecine debates take place. And that elephant is, indeed, capitalism as we are coming to know it now. Please read my Chronicle letter at <br />
<a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Diversity/48799/">http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Diversity/48799/</a><br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You're right! Sorry for the spelling mistake. Here's the column:<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>The main reason I wrote this post at this time was to call attention to a Chronicle of Higher Education forum that includes a letter there from me that makes the arguments about markets and the academy that commenters are making here. You can read it at </p>

<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Diversity/48799/">http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Diversity/48799/</a>   </p>

<p>Conservatives' problem is that they can't reconcile their yearning for an ordered, almost sacred liberty with their obeisance to every whim and riptide of a corporate capitalism that would have horrified Adam Smith and that is disrupting an degrading the very virtues and communities they claim to cherish. But that is a good reason to read Adam Smith, John Gray, and other conservative thinkers who have been frank about this. </p>

<p>It's also a good reason to recognize that neo-liberals, who are far more numerous in the academy, have this same dilemma but like Tom "The World is Flat" Friedman, are less frank about its problems. </p>

<p>One simply has to distinguish between conservatives who are frank about it, and conservative-movement types who are not. Please read the Chronicle symposium, One purpose of this post was to alert you to it.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Whoah, let me put in a word for serious conservative scholarship here. In his book What Are Intellectuals Good For?, George Scialabba, whose work in The Nation, Agni, and other publications is admired by many TPM readers (go to www.georgescialabba.com) and who is sometimes to the left of Noam Chomsky, has more than a few good things to say about certain conservatives philosophers and social historians such as John Gray, and with good reason. They are intellectually scrupulous and honorable; they have something to say as the classical liberals that many of them in fact are; and they are certainly invaluable in poking holes in a lot of unthinking, institutionalized liberal cant.</p>

<p>Claims posted above that "conservatives are more willing to accept existing doctrine" and that they don't become scholars because they're in it for the money could easily be lobbed against certain stars of the academic left, not to mention against more than a few "liberals" and neo-liberals. But a more substantial objection to these arguments would ask the commenters, or others who'll come in, to distinguish among different kinds of conservatives. My Chronicle contribution (which I hope readers will click on and read) challenges the inclusion of conservative "movement" and "market" operatives in teaching, not the inclusion of serious conservative scholars, who are often quite capable of bouncing their "doctrines" off against "liberal" ones, to the benefit of both.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Bernie, We all know that Jeffrey Goldberg was in the Israeli army, but I can't help but notice that he does not live in "the Jewish state," and that you do. Maybe that's why, like all the other neo-cons, he's so fixated on "the idea of" the Jewish state. Maybe, in a certain way, the reality of it has become too much for him.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Bill, You're quite right that Kennan despaired of democracy and at times wrote as if he'd never actually believed in it. There I do part company with him (and with Nitze, who never said such things but sometimes acted as if he did, and who I think of a "gentleman" more than a democrat.)</p>

<p>Democracy is really very problematic, in ways this isn't the place to go int,but I agree with more than just Winston Churchill that there's no better alternative, and I certainly wouldn't be here writing this without something pretty much like it. Neither would Kristol and the other neo-cons have been here, but they abused the privilege, if I may use that word, by degrading the demos in order to lead it. </p>]]>
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