Since when was Fox News "American?"
All this talk about Fox News and patriots and loyalty and such, lest we forget it is owned and micro-managed by an Australian who has very little interest in American democracy, especially since he can't make them vote like he wants them to anymore.
Not to trash Australia, Murdoch's no more a representative of their free spirit than Sean Hannity is of our American version, but it seems to me that Fox News has NEVER been "American", it has always been managed from the underworld (and I don't necessarily mean "down under".)
The whole concept that Fox News represents anything other than a
greedy foreigner's fingers in our American pie suggests we aren't paying
attention to some obvious details. Fox is a foreign-owned entity, why do "teabag patriots" so easily forget that.
Murdoch could care less about our constitution, and he hires people based on that fact.
And now he's used his foreign-owned TV business to create a whole new class of confused Americans, whose only recourse is to protest with vague, confused and contradictory slogan s and signs; the "teabag patriots" will henceforth wallow in their shameful hatred, empowered by this foreigner's falsehoods.
Fox News never was "American" and until an American who really cares about his or her country buys Murdoch out, it will never be "American."
Don't know how this got triple posted, I've been away from my keyboard for a while, I'm getting rusty...
April 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just go delete the other two. Blog now -- Manage -- Entries -- there you are.
"Fox is a foreign-owned entity, why do "teabag patriots" so easily forget that."
You seem to mix up the messenger (Murdoch) with the messages. Fox has messages which appeal to some as infotainment and more. Hannity and the likes are the medium for the messenger.
Sometimes rabble rousing is a good thing.
April 17, 2009 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
eds;
It's one thing to rouse the rabble to patriotic deeds, it is wholly another to bait the mob into violence, which we are fortunate did not happen yesterday.
And you may have missed my reference to Murdoch as a micro-manager, which spans that gap you mistakenly perceived between message and messenger.
At least that is what I meant by it, it may seem a bit obscure, but that was my meaning, exactly.
PS. Thanks for the blog-management coaching, I haven't yet scratched the surface of the available tools we have been provided by our venerable blog host.
That spell-check sure put an end to all the erors.
April 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And you may have missed my reference to Murdoch as a micro-manager, which spans that gap you mistakenly perceived between message and messenger."
No, I don't believe it spans the gap; I posited three parts. Does he personally write all the scripts used by Hannity et al? And what about the infoTAINMENT factor? Anyway, that it comes from a foreigner owner doesn't change the fact that it appeals to many.
What is the message here? "It's sometimes okay to act out"?
April 17, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Does he personally write all the scripts used by Hannity et al?" Certainly not, he hires staff specifically according to thier adherance to his hard-core neocon ideology, and they perform the function as his surrogates.
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"And what about the infoTAINMENT factor?"
Isn't that what's the matter with the MSM, that they have replaced the JOURNALIST Walter Cronkite with THE ENTERTAINMENT CLOWNS LIKE Hannity, O'Rielly and Beck?
"Anyway, that it comes from a foreigner owner doesn't change the fact that it appeals to many."
Many numb-skulled, analog adled, goose-stepping lemmings, maybe, but I would bet if you walked from a room full of Fox fans into a gathering of Keith and Rachel fans, the average IQ would jump an about 30 points.
Fox News is social, cultural and intellectual poison, and there is no way to righteously defend it, at any level. Especially their provocative distortions that lead unstable people to commit abhorrent, horrendous acts of evil against others.
And to suggest that Murdoch and his bloated toadie Ailes are just profiteering with infotainment is ignoring the violent and hateful results of that "infotainment."
Casualizing that overt deception and pernicious thought reform as infotainment suggests you haven't found a moral fulcrum to make a proper judgement from in the first place.
April 18, 2009 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
left out an important insult;
bloated NEWS MOLESTER toadie Ailes
April 18, 2009 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"suggests you haven't found a moral fulcrum"
Or it says that I don't have your biases, nor your need to spew garbage here.
April 18, 2009 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
eds, I stand by my comment.
Anyone who can trivialize the Fox influence on our society as "infotainment" needs to dig deeper for what really matters. That is the moral fulcrum I mentioned. When you enable or defend these anti-American provocateurs with any sort of tolerance towards their mischief, YOU give them their pernicious power, even moreso than the cultural dunderheads who grovel for the likes of Hannity and O'Rielly.
What you call bias on my part I consider integrity. You are the one defending bias in the form of Fox News, if you can't see the hateful, dangerous influence they have on the public, specifically on our brain-dead knuckle-dragging fellows, and reject the whole Fox News monstrosity outright, then you defend their bias.
Murdoch's no innocent bystander, he pulls the strings.
As for the "garbage" comment, I appreciate that something I wrote actually caused a crack in your ill-tempered steel.
My suggestion that you need to find a moral fulcrum was not meant as an insult, it was just good advice. The Fox/Rush/Drudge syndrome is no place to dwell, if you consider yourself anything akin to a traditional patriot.
April 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
You need to get out of your imagination more, JEP07. Really.
"it is wholly another to bait the mob into violence, which we are fortunate did not happen yesterday"
Imagination overload, dude.
Don't confuse mob violence with wackos taking shots at government leaders or institutions.
The simple point I made, or offered, was that it doesn't matter who owns Fox news. So far you haven't shown that it does matter. You admit that Murdochs "micro-managing" doesn't extend to the level of script writing, not that THAT matters to the point.
I get that you think Fox is vile. But you don't seem to get that what is vile about Fox is also present in America so that it being owned by Murdoch isn't a big deal.
April 18, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's mostly anti-American these days.
April 17, 2009 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOX is propaganda gone wild. What is startling is how unashamed they are of their lack of integrity. Do they really now realize journalism s supposed to have standards?
April 17, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Journalism has standards, but infotainment blurs boundaries. Look at Comedy Central -- The Daily Show is often informative and even sometimes probing,
journaughter?
April 17, 2009 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
eds, You seem bent on trivializing Fox News as a bunch of fun, funny, friendly people like Comedy Central.
What was that Cindy Lauper song?
Something about "True Colors" shining through?
Stop beating around the Bush and just come out and admit you think Fox News is SO cool!
April 18, 2009 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hannity and O'Reilly make me sick, and not from laughing so much. Please adjust your thinking cap.
April 18, 2009 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I'm the guy with the tinfoil deerstalker... it is in a constant state of readjustment.
April 18, 2009 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that explains everything!
April 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS; for anyone who might, like myself, want to avoid Fox News, don't just flip past them on the channel changer, BLOCK THEM from your selection list. That really puts the Nielsen knickers in a stitch, especially if millions of people do it deliberately.
So let me suggest to everyone who might read this, to not only boycot Fox News, AND it's shameless advertisers, but actually remove Fox News from your channel selections.
It shows up on the ratings in a big way.
April 18, 2009 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like that!, he said two days later. It just needed to be said. :-{)>
April 20, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink