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Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country


TPM has a fasicnating headline today about about mistaken assumptions: on the face of it, it's just an embarrassing blunder. The editor of Investor Business Weekly speculated that the eminent scientist Steven Hawking would have been eliminated by NHS death panels had he been, erh.. British.

As embarrassing as that is, not knowing Hawking's nationality is a mere detail. The real mistake, far more ominous for its ignorance, are the mistaken assumptions flourishing in the media about "hell hole socialist countries" and "death panels."

I live in such a country (France) though I am American and  I should probably go ahead and admit that I am also a citizen of the place.

I haven't blogged in here much lately because I was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and I've just (today even) gotten a letter from one of those "death" panels. Amazingly, I wasn't shaking when I got the letter. They are called Medical Councils here and they determine whether someone is eligible or not for 100 percent medical coverage provided by the state, due to a prolonged illness that is in no way the fault of the patient.

This "Council" provides an essential service that is desperately needed in the US. It makes a decision about a patient's health that does not depend upon considerations like age, income, pre-existing conditions or lifestyle. The council has only one question to answer: does the patient have an illness (or trauma)  that requires long term treatment? If the answer to that question is yes, the person is immediately covered at 100 percent for the duration of the illness. the NHS functions in the same way, hence Hawking's extended care.
 
In every country, there is a percentage of the population that falls victim to these situations. Our consistent inability to provide sustained medical care to these people regardless of income is the main reason we are a country that spends the highest percentage of our GDP (16 %) on healthcare of any developped country while maintaining the highest unnecessary death rate among these countries.

Let's stop the hype and starting looking at the facts.

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Bravo. Thank you for posting that.

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My best wishes. Your fight is more important than the fights we have here, but I'm confident it's one you will win.

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Thanks to both of you for these words of support

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I wish you all the best. As horrible as breast cancer is, you will thankfully be spared the worry and uncertainty and stress of not knowing if your health care will be paid for.

That alone kills Americans every day -- the stress from not knowing if your insurance company will pay your claim, opt for the best treatment, if you'll lose your job because of your illness and therefore your health care, what kind of financial burden your illness will be to you and your loved ones.

Be well. Our thoughts are with you.

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Thanks for this blog and good luck with your treatment Jane. Living in France, you will also benefit from follow up diagnostic procedures that are covered as opposed to many private insurance programs in the US which exclude coverage of screening once cancer has been confirmed by an initial pathology report. Again, bonne chance!

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Thanks for your very personal insights on the issue Jane...but much more importantly good luck with your fight.

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Thanks Libertine (and the others) for the comments. I hesitated before disclosing this but it was surreal to be going through this major health problem while reading the incredible distortions that appear in the states about socialist healthcare coverage.

Chemotherapy medicine cost hospitals in France about 1200 Euros per cure (the average patient is in treatment for 6 months.

Since the state takes over the patient's file and handles payment, the public and private hospitals here don't bill for this (1500 dollars every 10 days will give anyone pause, even an executive). So insurance companies (I do have insurance as well) instead pay for other aspects of treatment like psychological care, etc. It's a huge relief for anyone to have these very big expenses paid by an independent system that doesn't depend on insurance.

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You are lucky to be in a country with such a good health care system Jane. The last thing you need to be worried about is whether this or that will be covered and how much it will cost. You can completely focus on getting well.

It is frustrating listening to all the health care reform misinformation here in the States. There are many people who are dealing with serious illnesses here who have the specter of huge bills and maybe losing their homes because of astronomical out of pocket costs in our system. It must make fighting whatever illness exponentially more difficult. We often speak about the issues in the abstract. It is much different when the person weighing in on an issue is dealing with life threatening condition. Life is precarious enough...it is cliche but we are all day to day in terms of our mortality and it is immoral, in my book at least, to have someone say "we'll save you but you'll be financially ruined for the rest of your life". Our system needs an overhaul in terms of how health care is delivered and more importantly doing it to preserve human dignity.

I hope you do keep on posting about how you are doing and your thoughts on the issue as you feel up to it...as you beat this disease.

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Good luck with your treatment. And thank you for contributing your valuable story.

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Best wishes. Fenugreek tea might be worth googling -- it helps mice survive breast cancer and is unlikely to hurt -- I believe it does interact with calcium metabolism though.

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Jane,

I hope everything goes well for you and they are able to beat it to the point where it will never recur.

You should make your message heard by writing an op ed for the Times. That way the broadcast/corporate media might actually report your story and people's eyes will be opened.

Pax Vobiscum

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Jane: we know the drill -- the exam, the follow up sonogram, sometimes the biopsy, the wait for lab results (why does the wait always involve a week plus a long weekend?) the report (one way or another).
I'm sorry your news was not relieving. But I'm really glad for you that you are in France, that you can rely on the care you receive, and that you will not have to add concern for approvals and payments to your more basic concerns.
Jane, I admire you for taking this blow and converting it to positive use. I really, really admire you for it.
Something to focus on -- of course I hope yours was an early diagnosis. But even if not, a writer I know who was diagnosed late has, after her treatment, received clean reports, every year, for fourteen years. She's clear.

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Good luck, Jane.

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Jane, I haz missed your common sense and wisdom.

I'll keep my er, appendages crossed that it all goes well with no glitches.

AND, I award you the second golden pitchfork award for bravery. You can put it next to your Pullet-zer prize.

=D

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Good luck, Jane. Keep us posted.

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I had breast cancer, (caught before it became invasive) and my insurance covered it pretty well, although I had a lot of out of pocket expenses. After that, my insurance refused to cover subsequent mammograms as preventive care (covered 100%) and instead "covered" them as "diagnostic," with a $1,500 per year deductible (in other words, I paid for my mammograms out of pocket as punishment for having breast cancer).

Once my COBRA ran out, I became almost uninsurable here in the good ole USA. I paid more than $8,400 a year for coverage, but with a deductible of $5,000 per year. What does that mean? I had to spend $13,400 in a year before my "insurance would pay one penny towards my health care. If I had the bad luck to need something in December, then it would start all over again in January.

Last night I heard Tom Perriello talk about letting the insurance companies compete. He impressed me with his intelligence, but I wanted to ask him: Are you saying that insurance companies don't have the privilege of competing now?

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BTW, good luck! My year in France (1984) was wonderful in many ways; I miss that lifestyle, and I hope you are making the most of it.

PS Where are you? Is Le Petit Zinc still there? One of my favorite restaurants for oysters and Salmon Cru!

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Sorry - Paris question

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Thanks for telling your story Jane. Bon courage!

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Jane, I read your post today while I was at work, and it wasn't until I got home later that I recommended it. I wanted to rec and comment, you see, but I didn't know what to say that had not already been said.

I've been following you for quite some time and I really get a lot out of your insight, being in France as you are, and your posts are always enlightening. But I just didn't know how to convey that I am wishing you the strength you will need in the months ahead, and grateful that you have the care you will need, and wanting to tell you that you have love and support on these shores, when I barely have commented to you in a long time, if not more than just once.

Tonight, Josh has given you the voice you deserve:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/08/getting_cancer.php?ref=fpblg

Meanwhile, you have given us all the truth, honesty, and hope that we needed.

If we can ever give back in kind, it's my hope that you will ask.

Support is hard to ask for, as so many of us here know, but....it's obviously here, or so many of us wouldn't BE here.

Thank you, and may your days and months ahead be as easy as they can be. May you continue to have the strength and resolve and spirit that you've shown so far.

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Bravo for catching Josh's link, Lis!

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Jane -

I hope your battle with breast cancer goes well and that you beat it totally.

Thank you so much for sharing this insight into the "Council" and how it functions in France. How stupid can we Americans be?

Would that I could shove this information into the ignorant brain of every anti-reform loudmouth out there, and shove it up the butts of their corporate and Republican enablers -- none too gently.

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Merci. And best wishes. Thanks for the Sanity!

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Thank you for a dose of reality.

You now have people "across the pond" in your homeland who wish you the best in your fight with cancer.

I have Multiple Sclerosis so, healthcare is a big issue for me (mainly for people who will be diagnosed, not me personally).

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From here I can only wish you well, and take comfort knowing that you are taken care of where you are, something that doesn't happen often in the good ol' RedRightnBlue.

I had the entertainment a few years ago of explaining the American medical insurance system to two friends from Paris, one of whom had gotten a post-doc at a UofCal campus out here.

I actually read most of their 'policy' book to them. The acknowledged solution was that, while he would pay for coverage for them both (they got married about six months later, in Provence somewhere,) in the event of anything serious, they'd return to France.

Last year, as they were entertaining their parents (my age) I got to explain it all again, since it was a major issue in the campaign. The now-Americanized children got to join me in laughing at the look on their parents' faces ("Incroyable" and "Bizarre") as we repeatedly assured them, "Mais oui. C'est vrai."

Can we require at least one week of foreign travel (and not just drinking in TJ like Bush had) as a requirement of American citizenship?

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Jane thank you for speaking out about what is happening with the American healthcare debate.
As a Canadian, I'm appalled about the lies that are being propagated about our healthcare but mostly I'm appalled about right-wing hatred directed towards President Obama.
Do the people who advocate such violence know how stupid and ignorant they appear to the rest of the world?
We Canadians cannot believe what we are seeing and hearing from these ignoramuses and how the MSM is giving them credence.
Frightening indeed!

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I know some people like this. They people don't care about the rest of the world or what it thinks. They only care about what frightens them at the moment and take pride in their ignorance and isolation.

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Thank you for the insightful and courageous post.

It's remarkable that the mainstream media has so few stories about real people fighting serious illness and so much fluff, nonsense, and lies.

In a way there's a parallel here: The same way that real people in dire straights just plain don't matter to the for profit insurance corporations, the stories about people's experiences don't matter to media conglomerates.

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I hereby recommend this comment.

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Yes, a very insightful comment!

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Thanks both.

Should be 'straits'

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your cute

oh and good story, Ill use it as a tool in the next town hall meeting i go to. Ive been gathering up people here in oregon for a pushback on these town hall crazies. I find the use of logic is like kryptonite to these guys, challenge them on anything and they usually dont have a clue about what they are saying, or why they are saying it...

TAKE THE POWER BACK@!!

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Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful contribution.

Although, I would not dare to say I understand your condition as regards to your cancer, I can feel that cringe reading about "death panels."

You are in my thoughts.

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Thank you so much for your words. Stay strong.

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Jane, thanks for sharing your story and good luck with your fight. Thank goodness you're in France. I tell myself if and when I get a cancer diagnosis, I'm going to France (not for the health care, but for the joy). At least you're already there for both.

Your story raises a question for me. I wasn't aware of these Medical Councils. I'd like to know how much they pay when they determine that an illness or a trauma IS at least partly a person's fault. Say, smoking-related diseases, or, maybe, breaking a leg while skiing. Do you have any insight about this, and how do people take it when they find out they're only getting 70% or 50%. Does anybody ever get a "you've brought this on yourself, dummy, and you're outta luck?"

Thanks, and best wishes.

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Thank you. And good luck.

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Thank you for your bravery in telling your story Jane, I know that same courage will aide you in your struggle.Our hearts go out to you hoping you comfort and strength.Thank God you live in a country who is on your side and you dont have the additional burden of fighting insurance companies as well.I wish more people could read what you have written and with your permission I will share it with all those I know.

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While we could really use someone like you here, I'm glad you're there and taken care of. Thank you for sharing this and please let us know how you are doing. You have yet another friend on this side of the pond and I'll be thinking about you.

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Thank you for your story!!! I am thinking of you! Stay strong, sister!

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Said with wisdom, perspective, and warmth. Best wishes for your recovery and for the recovery of our American country from the grips of a most unkind and disreputable mentality toward the suffering.

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Good luck with your treatment Jane. Hopefully this country will get it's act together and have a sane healthcare system one of these days. It is more than a little embarrassing to a lot of Americans to be going through this ridiculous exercise knowing what we have right now is very much in conflict with what a lot of people say it is.

Mostly though, we need to figure out how to prevent corporate America and congress from lying about everything. The willingness to commit a fraud against the citizens of this country has just grown way out of proportion. Any objective examination of this phenomena makes a strong statement for this being no less than criminal. Our Catch 22 is we have the criminals running the show. We have bred a political and corporate criminal culture in this country. I really don't know how we are going to reverse that.

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Jane B.

I, like you, am French but live halfway around the world from you. I was also diagnosed with cancer early this past spring in the USA and had 2 skin Cancers along with over a meter of my colon removed;
All of this took place in the VA Hospital in Portland, OR and as I am retired military it was covered by Medicare (except the medicines), I am now back home in Tahiti, and I am also covered for the rest of my life for any and all doctors, visits, hospitalization, medicines along with incidental expenses. This is for everything and anything that might crop up. My wife now falls under the same act, so we are safe in our old age, no dog food and half medicines, no worries about being thrown alongside the road because we couldn't pay our medical bills. To speak the Truth, France treats it's citizens a whole hell of a lot better than the United States ever has.

Just This Old Chief's 2¢

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I say this with some sadness because there are many things I admire about my country and living abroad often makes me appreciate the US a great deal, but I have to agree with you: from a health perspective, France has treated me far more humanely than I was ever treated in the states (though I never had breast cancer there).

I had to decide where to have our child for instance, and it was just going to be too expensive to do it in the US (7 years ago). That's another story entirely but it was another case where I saw that the French state just steps in and takes care of people who need the health system for more than a scratch on the knee.

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I wish you all the best for a full recovery, Jane.

My sister in Cambridge, UK, has had two fights with cancer in the past five years and has been successful with both. She was fortunate to live near Addenbrook's Hospital, one of the finest in the UK I believe. In all that time, never once did she have to worry about how to pay for all her treatments, and was told to take as much time off work as she needed.

I was born and bred in Ireland, but have lived in the US for 20 years. Being self-employed, my US-born husband and I have always bought individual plans. We used to have very good health insurance a decade ago, with affordable co-pays. But with rising costs, we switched a few years ago to catastrophic insurance with a Health Savings Account (so basically, we're paying for everything ourselves). I joke that we are eating healthy foods and exercising more as a hedge against future health care costs than anything else...

However, one thing that I never hear mention is how different the costs are from state to state. The Blue Cross/Blue Shield premiums where we live now in New Mexico are HALF the cost of what we paid in California, the deductible is lower, and I dare say the coverage is better. We got a letter this year saying our rates were going up - by a few cents a month! (In CA, they doubled every few years so we'd switch plans to reset the cost - I'm sure they offer better prices to new customers.) We still worry about rising costs in the future, and pray that Obama can get something passed that will help individuals like us. But at least in NM we don't feel quite so ripped off. Most doctor's visits and lab fees seem more reasonable as well, with the exception of dental.

Which reminds me, on Christmas Eve some years back, while visiting family in Dublin, I needed some emergency dental work. I was seen immediately by the dental hospital, at no cost. They didn't even ask me whether I paid taxes. I guess I sounded Irish, and that was good enough. They did break some bad news though: "Because of the antibiotics we've prescribed, we're sorry to say you won't be able to drink over the holidays..."

My husband became an Irish citizen some years back. I call it our Health Care Plan B. Yes, it is pitiful that the US health care system is so bad that an American citizen has to become a European citizen as a backup plan...

Americans have no idea what European health care is like. I lived in the UK for a while, and their system is top notch. When you get sick, you can focus on yourself and not worry about getting huge bills. You just walk into a pharmacy and pick up your prescription - free. Of course, you are paying for all that care in your paycheck, but better that fee than worrying about premiums skyrocketing each year (esp. when you hit a milestone like 40 or 50 or 60), or even being dropped or denied coverage. And you don't lose your coverage when you switch jobs.

There is so much fear and loathing out there for the UK system, but it serves its citizen very well. It's not perfect, but that is mostly due to lack of funds, not pure hearthlessness and profiteering.

Sorry for rambling on... (Seeing so many stupid people on TV with crazy ideas just set me off.)

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I am British and am amazed by the thngs being said about our National Health service. the one thing which all politicians, (including Margaret Thatcher) understand that anyone who threatens the NHS is finished in british politics. It removes all worry about the costs of serious illness and provides reasonable care for the minor ailments.
The Conservatives have said that whatever cuts in public spending they will make, the NHS will be exempt.
If you people can't see off the lies which are being told by opponents of health reform, you don't deserve to have proper health care. And if you don't take proper care of the sick, you don't have a proper society.

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It real is shameful and pathetic. These people are an embarassment to this nation. It is no small wonder we have squandered our prestige, hard fought and won in WWII, with nothing but self-centered profiteers and brazenly uninformed and misinformed wannabes.

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"nothing but self-centered profiteers and brazenly uninformed and misinformed wannabes. "

It has always astounded me how many Americans live every day thinking they are just about to make the "Big Score" - unlike any other country in the world. THIS is the biggest problem in the Healthcare debate (and many others) because those people are deathly scared that when they "Make It" their money will be taken away and given to losers like they are right now.

Someone once said these people were the "Pre-Rich". This demographic group is a core problem for the future of the U.S. Unless that attitude goes away, America has a future of con-men and hustlers with a constant degredation of their society and thus their economy. I can see the national motto changing to "Everything's ok as long as you get away with it." And it is with this reality that the U.S. will never solve their Healthcare situation - it will drag them down - and I think it's too late.

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"nothing but self-centered profiteers and brazenly uninformed and misinformed wannabes. "

It has always astounded me how many Americans live every day thinking they are just about to make the "Big Score" - unlike any other country in the world. THIS is the biggest problem in the Healthcare debate (and many others) because those people are deathly scared that when they "Make It" their money will be taken away and given to losers like they are right now.

Someone once said these people were the "Pre-Rich". This demographic group is a core problem for the future of the U.S. Unless that attitude goes away, America has a future of con-men and hustlers with a constant degredation of their society and thus their economy. I can see the national motto changing to "Everything's ok as long as you get away with it." And it is with this reality that the U.S. will never solve their Healthcare situation - it will drag them down - and I think it's too late.

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Jane, I get so angry with the fools who believe their own interests are preserved by perpetuating a parasitic system of profiting from pain.

It is already obvious we here at TPM will hold you in our hearts as you traverse this challenge in your life.

Godspeed for your recovery and may peace be with you and yours.

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I chose to live in France about 19 year ago. The quality of life in France, and most other European countries, is significantly better than in America. From here America seems to be turning into a cruel parody of it's obsessions, prejudices and greed.

Medical care and medicine are much less expensive in Europe than America. (Plus we do not live in constant fear of litigation)In France most doctors do tests, give injections, receive your reasonable payments themselves - without a staff of administrators, secretaries, and technicians. You may even be able to speak to the doctor on the phone, and believe it or not, some still make house calls.

My elderly mother was visiting recently and I made an appointment with a pulmonologist for a check-up. He looked at her x-rays, examined her lungs, did three standard medical tests of blood, breathing analysis; gave us his diagnosis and a print out of all the results, all in 1/2 hour. My mother said in the USA it would have taken all day to get the tests done going to different technicians and the cost was about 100 euros; (in the States she said it would have come to $1000).

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Thank you for speaking out. Best wishes on a full and speedy recovery.

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Jane,

First of all thank you for speaking up. Welcome to the club no one wants to belong to.

I am a 41 year old, 3 1/2 year breast cancer survivor myself and I want to wish you the best. While there is a lot of publicity and "awareness" about breast cancer there are still a lot of things that are not spoken of in public so find the resources that work for you. Your treatment course will be determined by a variety of things but at least in your case one of them will not be your ability to pay.

I'm going to link to your post from my blog as yet another case of why we need health care for all here in the States.

Of course if there's anything a survivor from this side of the pond can do please ask, there are more of us than you'll ever expect. Best wishes and drink as much water as you can stand, it helps. - Kate

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Thanks alot for telling me this (and to others for their stories) I was devastated by the news at first (I run marathons!) and never thought this health umbrella (in France) would mean very much to me. I was very wrong and I suddenly find myself taking a far closer look at my own country's healthcare (US) and my adopted country's system.

I am deeply touched by your post and by others here. thanks...

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Hi Jane - I'm sorry to hear about your illness and wish you a speedy recovery.

On this side of the English Channel many of us believe that the French system should be emulated. I know of no-one who feels the American system is superior.

The NHS has it's share of real problems and all of us in the UK appreciate that. There are some really bad stories out there - I've suffered a couple myself. Medical malpractice suits are not unheard of in the USA either. But to suggest the millions of dedicated professionals (and British society as a whole) would allow some sort of state euthanasia programme for the disabled, as elements of the the Republican Party are trying to suggest, is deeply offensive to our medical profession and our society as a whole. The NHS is (so the urban myth goes) the world's second biggest civilian employer after Indian Railways - not only have we all been treated by it we all know someone who works for it. Thus the depth of our feelings here about these defamatory attacks.

There are not many issues that bring France and the UK together but attacks from the American Right on our respective healthcare systems may do more for European unity than the EU ever could.

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All the best to you, I'll be hoping for your recovery. Peace to you.

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Good Luck to you Jane and thanks to you and the other posters on this subject for your insight. As an American citizen with a brain, I still can't understand why there are so many in this country that insist upon voting and speaking out against their own best interests. What is the matter with Kansas!

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I just keep pointing people to this Frontline show from 2008:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

It presents so much in a straightforward way - five countries with national health care systems. Some are single-payer, some are not. Britain, Japan, Germany, Switzerland and Taiwan.

Switzerland's system before changing was the most like ours, of the five.

Taiwan went out and looked at everybody else's and incorporated all the best features.

It is an eyeopener. VERY informative.
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I couldn't agree more. It is a fabulous documentary. I seem to remember though that Frontline concluded that nearly all of the health care systems studied are underfunded, and that the patients don't want to pay any more in premiums, so the government is paying the difference.

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Face Americans are probably the dumbest most masochistic group on the face of the earth. They really are very stupid and I am speaking as an American. The real battle here has nothing to do with health care it has to do with defeating a Democratic President and setting up the next debate..."Do you want to give President Obama and the Democrats another opportunity to get Socialistic Health Care in place in America?...Vote for Republicans save America from the Socialists". Well it seems that the short memories of Americans is in full display during the health care debate. My suggestion is lets take away Medicare lets take away GI medical benefits....no one forced any one to join the military after all why should we continue to pay for their care after the agreement is completed....let's see what would happen then. I had this thought last night which went like this. I am at a "Town Maul" meeting and I get the mike and I ask the attendees How many in this room supported the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and would they please stand up. Now how many of this group are opposed to the Health care proposal. My assumption is that most of the group would remain standing. So then I would ask them that OK in your world it is OK to spend at this points upwards of 800 billion dollars on an illegal war that has killed innocent men woman and children and created a hatred for America that will last for generations but you won't spend that kind of money on saving your fellow citizens from the Insurance companies greed and avarice at the expense of our families health and well being. Americans dumbest people on the face of the earth.

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Thank you, Jane, for both your courage and your generosity.

Your willingness to share your experiences may open some eyes in this country and that, in turn, may well save some lives.

Prayers and best wishes for you . . .

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Thanks for this Bert (and to the many other commenters). I am pleased this has ignited so much discussion and insight on the part of readers who also have compelling stories to tell and useful information as well.

We are all in this together. Even if I'm not on that side of the Atlantic now, my family is there and my heart is too.

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First, I want to wish you health, happiness and a speedy recovery.

As you probably know, acceptance is only the first step. Many people are concerned that once accepted, they will have to wait some period of time before actually receiving the care they need. So, a few questions are in order to help us more fully understand your situation, and what might await those of us in the U.S. subject to a similar health system.

How long a period of time passed between your diagnosis and your first treatment? How long did the council take to approve your application? If the application had been disapproved, is there some form of appeal?

You mention that only one question is addressed and that is related to the length of time care is needed but, there is, apparently, an initial assessment as to the source of the illness: "...prolonged illness that is in no way the fault of the patient." Can you clarify the apparent contradiction --that the decision isn't predicated on any other factor.

For example, would an alcoholic in need of a liver transplant be denied because of the self-inflicted nature of the medical problem?

I've had my own medical emergency recently (late April), and I'm absolutely stunned at the costs to both the insurance provider and myself for the services provided.

Again, get well soon.

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Hi Traveler,

thanks for your message and for your questions. I wish you well in own health emergency and hope it isn't life threatening.

To answer your first quesiton, illnesses that are "in no way the fault of the patient" is not a good choice of words on my part, because what the French call ALD (Long Term (health) Affection) in French kicks in no matter what the cause is, even lung cancer for tobacco smokers, but since cancer is the most frequent ALD, (and its causes are often unknown and unrelated to lifestyle) it often appears in official texts here to define who is eligible.

Question 2: who is accepted? There are about thirty illnesses (diabetes, cancer and heart disease among them) and any number of traumas that fall into the category of ALD. There is little debate as far as I know about what qualifies as an ALD here because the list covers the most known conditions that require sustained treatment.

Question 3: delay time. This was my BIG concern as well because in the beginning I was taking alot of expensive tests (MRI, bone scans, etc.) and I had not gotten word yet. My doctor waited to bill for some of the tests because the ALD approval was almost garanteed and it's considered pretty bad here to make an ALD applicant pay excessive costs. The labs asked for a copy of my ALD application and had me pay the 30 percent I normally pay (all citizens here are covered for 70 percent). That cost 600 euros for one battery of tests and gave me a little jolt! We were seriously worried about the delay.

But I was accepted after a three week delay and the coverage is retro-active, so I was reiumbursed even for the initial biopsies.

I think that's fair. There was some inconvencience but it wasn't excessive and the sytem has thus far been very humane to me. And the quality of care is quite good.

Hope this helps. And I'll look for your posts on this or other subjects.

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Thanks for the info Jane. As for my problem, it was a case of food poisoning, I'm fine, thanks for asking.

I'm glad you're getting the care you need so soon. That's bound to increase your chances of a sucessful fight against the cancer.

Best wishes,

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Dear Jane - my best to you, from a fellow American in Paris.

When I quit the corporate America job that was making me ill and moved to France, I had no healthcare. Cobra would have cost me $650 a month, and I didn't have a job. One day here in Paris I had a sort of metabolic meltdown and passed out in a restaurant while having lunch. I went to a friend's GP, who wrote a script for several, maybe 6-7, tests. Then she asked me if I had insurance. I said no. She said, "Then I won't charge you for this visit." It was only 12E, so I paid her, but I felt that she was very gracious. The tests took place in a lab in the neighborhood and I went in at 9, finished at 9:30 and picked up all my results at around 3. I stood at the counter worried about how much it would cost. I'd taken 300E out of the ATM, and knew it would not be enough. It was 110E. Those tests would have cost me a fortune in the states.

I am so happy to be living here, even though, as you know, France has its idiosyncracies, but I feel safer here, and my life is so rich - with friends and conversation and lovely walks and beautiful things to do and see.

Thanks for voicing the truth about your situation so that others might have the chance to open their eyes. Good luck to you!

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Jane,
I echo all the positive feedback you have received on this posting.

Having been an executive director of a nonprofit breast cancer organization, I can understand your medical situation.

I'm so glad that you live in a civilized country where you will receive very good care.

All the best to you.

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Hi Justjim,

I would be interested to know more about your organisation and your role in it. Thanks for writing..

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Thanks so much for sharing, Jane. I went through breast cancer treatment last year (2 surgeries, dose-dense chemotherapy, and radiation) here in California. Our insurance was with Kaiser Permanente, a west coast HMO.

They were fantastic! Because I had cancer in 7 out of the 8 lymph nodes they removed, I had a lot of auxillary tests performed to check whether the cancer had metastasized further. Scheduling the tests were easy and I never had to wait for insurance authorization. My treatment was state-of-the-art for my diagnosis (I checked). In fact, my surgeon arranged for a conference with the other on-site surgeons, oncologists, and breast cancer specialists to discuss the best treatment options for me.

My medical records were computerized and all my doctors could access the information, including scans, laboratory tests, doctor's notes, etc. I had a question about my CT scan results and my plastic surgeon uploaded the scan and spent 15 to 20 minutes discussing it with me. Everyone spent time with me to discuss my options and never mentioned cost except to tell me not to worry about them. Once we met our deductible/out-of-pocket-expense-limit, everything was covered 100%.

We chose Kaiser for our insurance because, frankly, they had the lowest premiums for our family. We were worried when we signed up that we might be foregoing a higher standard of care for the more affordable premiums. Obviously, that wasn't the case and it makes me confident that health care reform can be implemented in a way that controls costs without affecting care.

Best of luck to you during your treatment. I hope that you have as much support from your friends and your treatment team, that I did!

I'll keep you in my thoughts.

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Hi,
Thanks for writing. May I ask how much you paid out of pocket for treatment or did Kaiser assume all costs?

computerized info is pretty standard here too. My doctors send all their files (scans, MRI) that way as well. It's very helpful when you need to communicate info fast.

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We had a high-deductible policy, which allowed us to put money into a Health Savings Account (HSA). Our deductible and out-of pocket limits were the same at $1,500 per person and $3,000 for the entire family. We didn't pay the deductible all at once--I think my biggest one-time expense was $400 for my masectomy. I guess I was lucky in that I was diagnosed in January and completed treatment within the same calendar year.

I have a friend that had more 'typical' health insurance. Their son had cancer and they ended up taking a second mortgage on their house to cover the 20% of treatment costs required under their policy (80/20 split).

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