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Why Americans Should rethink Europe: It's like NAFTA, it's not a country


Yesterday I blogged in this post about Josh Marshall's contention that (grosso modo) the EU President is a nut case for saying Obama's bailout plan is a road to hell. Mr. Marshall has a valid point even if I believe the question is more complex, and I said as much. The crux of the problem is that while Europeans generally support Obama's plan, European governments are more reluctant to launch its own trailblazing bailout scheme on a grand scale because it's very reticent to throw money at Eastern European former communist countries, whose economies are deep trouble and who have already taken billions of euros in EU aid.

But some found my posting to be elitist. TPM Reader blowagasket blows a gasket over this:

Correct me if I'm wrong: The EU expanded to include the Czech Republic for a reason, right? So, what was the reason?

Yet you and Josh Marshall both give the distinct impression that some Europeans are better than others. (Phrases like Mr. Topolanek is a symptom of a broader attitude and not simply a spoiled boorish politician who lacks even the most basic sense of tact and finesse and who most Europeans wish would simply disappear and Folks in Western Europe are really tired (that is to say, we've sort of had it) with bailing out folks in Eastern Europe and politicans like Topolanek, who are sitting in that strange no man's land between East and West give me that impression, anyway.)

It seems the member states should have foreseen such elitism and management problems before expansion.

This assertion does not address the substance of my posting nor of Mr. Marshall's remarks. Blowagasket assumes I'm disparaging my President who happens to come from one of "those" Eastern regions that aren't as European as me. But Europe is not a country. There is no real cultural and political entity called Europe-- the continent is a loose economic community much like the countries of NAFTA. It has to date no viable constitution, no enforcable laws that extend across all member countries (only regulations which are economic in nature) and its leaders (none of whom are elected by a European electorate, but are voted in by respective countries) like to play economic chess with its size.  No voters in France decided or didn't decide to admit the Czech Republic. This is decided by the European Council. My ire with Mr. Topolanek (and my explanation of the reticence to want to bailout other Eastern European countries) has nothing to do with his roots or his country of origin. So I contend there is nothing elitist in finding Mr. Topolanek does not speak for me and that his words were, at best, poorly chosen.

And I think it's worth noting that the EU President doesn't speak for Europeans in the same way Obama speaks for Americans. His remarks were the worst kind of populist pandering, both to other European member states, who remained nonplussed, and to Obama's political enemies, who seem only too delighted (and ignorant of what a flop Topolanek's remarks were here). Do Republicans know that Topolanek denied parts of his speech afterward? (this is possible because the speeches are translated and the more inflammatory comments were blamed on translation error). According to French translators (all of whom, it turns out, have the precisely the same linguistic fantasies), Topolanek said that the US would fund its bailout through  wordwide arms sales. This caused so much alarm that Topolanek had to immediately backpedal. It's also worth noting that he has made controversial statements about the holocaust, and doesn't hesitate to embarrass himself or his country for the sake of provocation.

In short, I think Americans should consider Europe as a continent with over 20 different languages and 27 sovereign governments, each with its own army and passport color. Obama's challenge will be to convince all these countries to pour money into an entity that, as of yet, cannot even ratify a constitution nor find a common language.






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In short, I think Americans should consider Europe as a continent with over 20 different languages and 27 sovereign governments, each with its own army and passport color.


Good luck with trying to get many Americans out of that mindset. We seem to love to place people in a little box and do "labels" better than any people I know. I'm not speaking for all Americans but it seems to me the only way they can understand something or someone, is to stick a tag on it/them.
It's a lot easier than getting to know something or someone intimately. We do "easy" quite well too. :)

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Hey, thanks for the separate post, but I think you're going to regret pursuing this angle. On the other hand, after your last smug post on this topic, I am not at all surprised you are taking time to lecture us dumb Americans. Maybe by bringing this up again you'll actually learn something, but you don't seem too receptive.

Why Americans Should rethink Europe: It's like NAFTA, it's not a country

Your title suggests you yourself are confused about what the EU is, what Americans think, and what NAFTA is.

You say:

the continent is a loose economic community much like the countries of NAFTA

Let's start with NAFTA. What is NAFTA?

NAFTA is a treaty between Canada, Mexico, and the United States that was designed to foster greater trade between the three countries.

You seem to fall into the category of "many observers" below:

Many observers consider NAFTA to be the same sort of economic and political union that the European Union (EU) is. This is both true and untrue. The EU, like NAFTA, is an economic union that fosters greater trade and cooperation between a large handful of the countries of Europe. EU members, however, have a common currency, while NAFTA members do not. Also, the EU has a political element and its own government, neither of which NAFTA has.

What is the EU?

To become a member of the European Union, a nation must be in conformance with a series of standards called the Copenhagen criteria. These detail geographic and political necessities for member nations. Included standards dictate human rights laws, democracy, protective law for minorities, and a market economy. As of 2008, three states are candidates undergoing review: Turkey, Croatia, and the Republic of Macedonia. Several other nations are identified as potential candidates for future admission, including Albania and Serbia.

One of the greatest achievements of the European Union is the establishment of a single market economy. Between member nations, trade is largely unrestricted. While nations maintain separate laws on taxation and trade standards, EU members agree to basic trade laws between their countries. Almost all products created by one nation are legal for trade in all of the other countries.

Most nations belonging to the EU have adopted a common currency, called the Euro. The Euro is overseen by the European Central Bank, in an effort to promote all economies that incorporate the use of the currency. As of 2008, 15 nations use the Euro, collectively called the Eurozone. Other EU members must meet specific financial and economic standards before being allowed to adopt the currency. Slovenia was the first of the countries from the 2004 expansion to meet euro criteria.

In addition to increasing economic stability, the European Union sets member policy on a variety of social and political issues. Agriculture, energy policy, anti-terrorism efforts, environmental issues, and education are among the serious areas covered by various EU committees. The EU’s goal of creating a neighborhood community of nations is still in its infancy, but measurable impacts are already apparent in the economic and social arenas.

Compare with your definition of "Europe":

I think Americans should consider Europe as a continent with over 20 different languages and 27 sovereign governments, each with its own army and passport color.

Again with the elitism. I live just outside New York City, where 170 languages are spoken. Although you speak English, I am not sure you know what you're talking about.

Maybe all you wanted was another chance to call the EU president a "nut job." So you got it.

In any case, I highly recommend this post for its educational value.

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I speak English because I am American just like you and I am well aware of the wikipedia entry for the European Union.

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Jane, I must confess I had not read your blog before. But reading it over -- not just this post but recent posts -- I really enjoyed getting your perspective. I'll be back. Josh

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I really enjoyed getting your perspective.

That's because it's identical to yours, of course. You both hold a dim view of populism, because you define it only as reactionary.

On the one hand (as Josh always says), it's funny.

On the other hand, I wish I'd figured this out sooner. Too many distractions, I guess. Sigh.

Meantime, I prefer Simon Johnson's perspective on the EU.

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Thanks for this comment. I'm honored you took the time to read some of my postings.

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Dark secret of new EU president Vaclav Klaus.

We can reveal exclusively that Mr. Klaus, while a 21-year-old student at the University of Economics, Prague, in 1962, was recruited by Czech counterintelligence officers and put to work as a spy against democratic reformers with whom he studied and later worked. For five decades he has concealed a murky past of betrayal and deception.
Codenamed "Vodichka," Mr. Klaus is said to have been "an avid and willing informant" who reported on the political reliability of his classmates -- two of whom were expelled because of the information he provided. More:

http://dark-secret-bohemia.blogspot.com/


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