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Steve Sailer: A Contemporary Racist Exposed


My avatar shows me smiling. Believe me, I am not. Last night I stumbled upon one of the entries in the TPM Book Club entitled "Race, Racists and Journamalism," by Aaron Schwartz. I stopped to read the story and was gobsmacked by one member of this week's discussion group (Mr. Schwartz) calling the another (Steve Sailer) a racist. Helpfully, Mr. Schwartz included a link to Mr. Sailer's Wikipedia biography and a "interesting" quote from him.

After reading Sailer's bio, and challenging him for the "context" he claimed was absent from Schwartz's assessment of him, I, too came away wholly convinced that yes, indeed, Mr. Sailer is a racist. (And never one to shy away, I told him so.)

But all day, what I first read about him and his covert participation at TPM was nagging at me for two reasons:

1. Is the Site Editor (Lila Shapiro) of the TPM Book Club that clueless as to who Mr. Sailer really is and views he espouses?

And also nagging at my conscience is a question festering over the last few weeks with her invitations to panelists to discuss other books which focused on more specifically race-related. The lack of prominent black voices to speak out on those books was disturbing enough. The participation of people with decidedly "conservative views" and their connections to very conservative think tanks, websites was questionable. Had there been adequate balance, their participation would not have been an issue, but there was little to counter-balance their comments. I tried to put that in perspective: perhaps invitations were sent, but people didn't respond in time, were busy, or as well may be the case, they just didn't give a damn.

But this week, with a book ostensibly about why people vote they way they do, I hardly would have expected a bona fide racist in our midst.

2. Did I have a greater responsibility to pull the lily-white sheet off of Sailer to expose him to the TPM community? After all, in the age of Obama, some of you believe we have trascended race and that the racism of old -- and its racists purveyors -- have disappeared from our midst.

Let me answer the second question first: YES! I do have that responsibility. First, as member of one of the groups Sailer assails on a regular basis, I think I know a genuine racist when I see one. Second, although we may want to debate what to level of bigotry must one rise to be classified as a racist, Sailer provides us with a clinician's opportunity to dissect and diagnose. Sailer defends himself classically: "I am not a racist," he claims. Yet the facts as you will see are otherwise.

And to question one, I will give Ms. Shapiro just the tiniest benefit of doubt -- this time. As you will see, I have found evidence that she is not the only one being fooled. That said, we all must hold Ms. Shapiro and TPM management -- top to bottom -- accountable for the persons they invite to participate in their forums. Balance of ideas and full disclosure of affiliations, beliefs and publications must now be demanded. "Free speech" is fine, but you deserve to know who you are reading.

Now to focus on the man I and many others have identified as a racist.

In introducing this week's book discussion, Ms. Shapiro wrote the following:

Joining Gelman in the discussion are co-author Jeronimo Cortina; Nathan Newman, Policy Director for the Progressive Legislative Action Network; Matt Yglesias, Fellow at the Center for American Progress; Will Wilkinson, Research Fellow at the Cato Institute; Aaron Swartz, activist, blogger, and board member of Change Congress; Eric Rauchway, Professor of History at the University of California-Davis; Steve Sailer, journalist and critic at The American Conservative; and Nolan McCarty, Professor of Politics and Public Affairs at Princeton University. [Boldface mine.]

Except that is not who Steve Sailer is.

This is what Media Matters for America had to say about Sailer following his participation in television special at CNN:

On July 22, as part of its "Black in America" project, CNN posted an article on its website headlined, "Could an Obama presidency hurt black Americans?" The article, by correspondent John Blake, quoted from a 2007 column by Steve Sailer, a writer CNN identified simply as "a columnist for The American Conservative magazine." But as the Southern Poverty Law Center reported on its Hatewatch blog, there is much more to Sailer's background, none of which CNN noted. In fact, in blog posts on VDARE.com and on his own website, [iSteve.com] Sailer routinely denigrates minorities. Nor did Blake note the origin of the quotes he included in his article: a January 2, 2007, VDARE.com article in which Sailer called Sen. Barack Obama a "wigger" and mocked him as "a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American."

Sailer's column linked to a Wikipedia entry on the word "wigger," which, at the time, read: "Wigger (alternatively spelled wigga or whigger or whigga) is a slang term that refers to a white person who emulates mannerisms, slangs and fashions stereotypically associated with urban African Americans; especially in relation to hip hop culture."

From Blake's July 22 CNN.com article:

Steve Sailer, a columnist for The American Conservative magazine, wrote last year that some whites who support Obama aren't driven primarily by a desire for change.

They want something else Obama offers them: "White Guilt Repellent," he wrote.

"So many whites want to be able to say, 'I'm not one of them, those bad whites. ... Hey, I voted for a black guy for president,'" Sailer wrote.

Sailer cited another reason why many whites want Obama as president:

"They hope that when a black finally moves into the White House, it will prove to African-Americans, once and for all, that white animus isn't the cause of their troubles. All blacks have to do is to act like President Obama -- and their problems will be over."

As Media Matters for America has noted, VDARE.com is a far-right anti-immigrant web magazine named for Virginia Dare, the first child of English descent born in the New World in the 16th century. In 2003, SPLC [Southern Poverty Law Center] added VDARE.com to its list of hate websites. Peter Brimelow, who operates VDARE.com through his nonprofit organization, the Center for American Unity, has insisted that "VDARE.COM is obviously not a 'White Supremacist' site, if for no other reason than that it publishes non-whites. We do publish writers who could fairly be described as 'white nationalists,' in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites."

Media Matters has also noted that Sailer has written in defense of the Pioneer Fund, an organization designated a "hate group" by the SPLC for its support of the work of white supremacists, eugenicists, and others dedicated to proving the genetic superiority of certain races. Sailer additionally describes himself on his website as "founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute," which claims it "promotes the study of biological differences among humans and their impact on society."

After the Hurricane Katrina disaster, Sailer wrote in a September 3, 2005, VDARE.com column that the "unofficial state motto" of Louisiana, "Let the good times roll," is "an especially risky message for African-Americans." He continued: "The plain fact is that they [African-Americans] tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society." Sailer then declared that "there was only minimal looting after the horrendous 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan -- because, when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks." Later, he stated: "Poor black people seldom cooperate well with each other because they don't trust other blacks much, for the perfectly rational reason that they commit large numbers of crimes against each other."

In a September 5, 2005, post on National Review Online's The Corner, New York Post columnist John Podhoretz condemned Sailer's "shockingly racist" column on Katrina as containing "the most disgusting sentence yet written about Katrina." Podhoretz added: "Nobody with the unspeakable gall and tastelessness to write such sentences should be suggesting that any other person on earth requires 'stricter moral guidance.' "

From Sailer's January 2, 2007, column, titled, "White Guilt, Obamania, And The Reality Of Race":

Obama is constantly compared to Tiger Woods. But he differs in two ways. First, his list of accomplishments in his chosen profession is a lot shorter than the golfer's. And, second, Woods rejected Nike's suggestion that he identify himself as solely black to maximize his marketability in America because he did not want to reject his mother and more distant non-black ancestors. Woods declared himself "Caublinasian," his childhood term for his Caucasian, black, American Indian, and Asian ancestry.

In contrast, like Oscar-winner Halle Berry, Obama identifies as black although that requires symbolically disowning his white mother and maternal grandparents -- despite the fact that they did far more for him than the Kenyan father who abandoned him when he was two.

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The brutal truth: Obama is a "wigger". He's a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American, but a wigger nonetheless. He has no ancestors who were slaves in the U.S. Moreover, his upbringing by his white mother and Indonesian stepfather in Indonesia and by his white grandparents in Hawaii, where mixed-race children are close to the norm, was almost wholly divorced from African-American life ... except for what he could see and aspire to on TV.

Even genetically, Obama, whose East African descent is apparent in his unusual features, has only a distant relationship to the West Africans who are the ancestors of almost all African-Americans. (Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.)

But details like these just seem to make this nominal African-American that much more attractive to whites.

So why are so many whites, especially in the media, excited about promoting Obama for President in 2008?

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Supporting Obama for President, like supporting Powell a decade ago, is seen by many whites as the ultimate in White Guilt Repellent.

It's important to understand, however, that White Guilt is very different from, say, Catholic Guilt, which consists of straightforward feelings of personal moral failure.

In comparison, I don't recall ever meeting any white person who personally felt guilty for the troubles of African-Americans. But I've known many whites who want to loudly blame other whites for black difficulties.

Some whites at least heap guilt upon their own ancestors, but many who publicly proclaim the reality of White Guilt aren't averse to noting that their own forefathers arrived at Ellis Island long after slavery was over.

In other words, White Guilt is just another ploy in the Great American White Status Struggle. Minorities are merely props for asserting moral superiority over other whites.

Finding and punishing Guilty Whites has become a national obsession. One notorious current example: the framing of the Duke lacrosse players by Durham district attorney Mike Nifong (with the enthusiastic assistance of the New York Times) in the endless hunt for what Tom Wolfe called "the Great White Defendant."

So, many whites want to be able to say, "I'm not one of them, those bad whites, like that guy on Seinfeld. Hey, I voted for a black guy for President!"

Plus, I suspect there's an even more hidden reason many whites wish Obama is elected President: They hope that when a black finally moves into the White House, it will prove to African-Americans, once and for all, that white animus isn't the cause of their troubles. All blacks have to do is to act like President Obama -- and their problems will be over!

--M.B.

 

Please note the CNN fell for the brief bio of Sailer, too. And since Media Matters pointed us to the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hatewatch blog, it's only fair to include what the SPLC had to say:

As part of its ongoing "Black in America" project, CNN posted a story to its website earlier this week titled "Could an Obama presidency hurt black Americans?" Credited to CNN correspondent John Blake, the piece quotes the wit and wisdom of Steve Sailer, identified only as "a columnist for The American Conservative magazine."

Specifically, the CNN story quotes a column by Sailer first published last year in which he opined that Obama offers voters "White guilt repellent."

"So many whites want to be able to say, 'I'm not one of them, those bad whites. ... Hey, I voted for a black guy for president,'" Sailer wrote.

What the CNN article fails to note is that in addition to writing columns and movie reviews for The American Conservative, Sailer is the founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute, a neo-eugenics online discussion forum where right-wing journalists and race scientists have promoted selective breeding of the human species. He also writes frequently for the anti-immigrant hate site Vdare.com, named for the first white child born in America, and runs a website, isteve.com.

Sailer's website is rife with primitive stereotypes. On it, Sailer mocks professional golfer Annika Sorenstam for having well-developed muscles and claims that Asian men have a hard time finding dates because they look "less masculine" than other men.

Last January, on the hate site vdare.com, Sailer labeled Obama a "wigger."

"He's a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American, but a wigger nonetheless," Sailer wrote. "Even genetically, Obama, whose East African descent is apparent in his unusual features, has only a distant relationship to the West Africans who are the ancestors of almost all African-Americans." To illustrate his point, Sailer used photos of Obama side-by-side with Jesse Jackson and the rapper Ludacris, "both of whom have conventional West African features."

Assessing the tragic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in September 2005, Sailer wrote, "The plain fact is that they [black Americans] tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society."

Now blacks are not the only target of Sailer's venom. He is, as both the SPLC and Media Matters note, the founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute. How about his support for "Queer Science," by J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University, as the SPLC reports:

Queer Science

On a book tour last spring and summer, Northwestern University psychology professor J. Michael Bailey gave his audiences a sampling of recent scientific thinking about sexual and gender identity.

After playing audio recordings of four men's voices, Bailey asked: Which is gay? The crowds inevitably picked out the voice with exact articulation and lispy "S" sounds. Precisely! Bailey cheered.

His point: Determining somebody's sexual orientation is just that easy, just that obvious.

Needless to say, Bailey's brand of "queer science" has not met with cheers from GLBT (gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender) activists -- nor from many fellow scholars, who see his studies as attempts to lend scientific credence to age-old stereotypes.

But Bailey does have company. Many of those who praised his recent book, The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism, belong to a private cyber-discussion group of a neo-eugenics outfit, the Human Biodiversity Institute (HBI).

This exclusive group of academics, race scientists and right-wing journalists -- along with a reported handful of liberals -- exchanges thoughts about "differences in race, sex and sexual orientation" for a chilling purpose: promoting and studying "artificial [genetic] selection."

Among some of Bailey's reported HBI cohorts, that racist science of old is still just as alive and well as their current sex research. The Institute's main activity appears to be an "invitation-only" online discussion list for "a small, elite and eclectic mix of experts."

According to a list posted on HBI's Web site until last summer, this "elite" includes:

Jean-Phillippe Rushton, a prominent researcher on black genetic inferiority who is president of a pro-eugenics hate group, the Pioneer Fund;

Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, which purported to show black and Latino intellectual inferiority;

Kevin MacDonald, a professor at California State University at Long Beach who has written several books about supposed Jewish strategies to subvert "Euro-American" culture; and

Gregory Cochrane, a physicist who has suggested the existence of a genetic "gay germ."

These ideas about race and sex have not been limited to the world of academia. The HBI also includes several right-wing journalists who help popularize their theories -- and promote their books.

The most prominent cheerleader for Bailey and the other HBI researchers is the man who started the HBI: Steve Sailer, a United Press International reporter and frequent contributor to the anti-immigration Web site, VDARE.com. [Emphasis mine.] 

Like Bailey, Sailer refused to respond to questions, telling the Intelligence Report "tough noogies." Also like Bailey, he has pushed the idea that there's a genetic basis for homosexuality -- making it a "disease" that could eventually be eradicated.

"It's radically unfashionable to call homosexuality a disease," Sailer noted this August on VDARE.com (see Keeping America White). But that doesn't stop Sailer, who fashions himself a bold thinker willing to confront taboo subjects.

The personal Web site maintained by the man behind the Human Biodiversity Institute, www.isteve.com, provides a different window into Sailer's way of thinking.

The site is dominated by crude racial and gender stereotypes as Sailer mocks professional golfer Annika Sorenstam for her muscles, claims that Asian men have a hard time finding dates because they look "less masculine" than other men.

Sailer also invokes the spirit of his friend Bailey when he claims to have found the real reason Al Gore lost the 2000 presidential election. He chalks it all up to a lisp that makes the former vice president "sound prim, even homosexual."

Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (www.fair.org) weighs as well, noting that the racists among us have found more "stealthy" ways to worm themselves into mainstream media where their full credentials are not always checked or challenged. (Lila Shapiro is not alone in being fooled.)

''If the black man wins,'' warned a New York Times editorial on the eve of the historic 1910 fight between Jack Johnson and ''Great White Hope'' Jim Jeffries, ''thousands and thousands of his ignorant brothers will misinterpret his victory as justifying claims to much more than mere physical equality with their white neighbors'' (New York Times, 7/3/1910--as cited on PBS's Unforgivable Blackness, 1/17/05). In an earlier editorial (11/1/1909), the editors worried over the fight while revealing what passed for discretion at the Times of nearly a hundred years ago: ''[We] will wait in open anxiety at the news that he has licked the--well, since it must be in print, let us say the Negro, even though it is not the first word that comes to the tongue's tip.''

Of course, great strides have been made by American media and society since that editorial, and many others like it, were published. But progress seems to come in fits and starts. It doesn't help that journalists often fail to recognize and challenge racism, even when--or perhaps especially when--it involves their own institutions.

Racism, in fact, may be gaining a firmer foothold in American media institutions as its promoters adopt more stealthy and sophisticated ways of presenting it. Consider two recent episodes in which David Brooks and John Tierney, both conservative New York Times writers, touted the work of Steve Sailer, a well-known promoter of racist and anti-immigrant theories.

''Ghetto hellions''

Following the November elections, David Brooks used his column (12/7/04) to celebrate something he called the ''natalist'' movement. Natalists, said Brooks, defy Western trends toward declining birth rates by having lots of children and leaving behind the ''disorder, vulgarity and danger'' of cities to move to ''clean, orderly'' suburban and exurban settings where they can ''protect their children from bad influences.'' According to Brooks, natalists are more churchgoing and conservative than their less wholesome neighbors in more liberal urban areas, and are an increasingly important political force.

Though the movement sounds a bit like the post-World War II demographic trend dubbed ''white flight,'' Brooks makes no reference to ethnicity until halfway through the column, when he cites Sailer on white fertility:

As Steve Sailer pointed out in the American Conservative, George Bush carried the 19 states with the highest white fertility rates, and 25 of the top 26. John Kerry won the 16 states with the lowest rates.

Brooks is well-known for lightly documented demographic analysis (Philadelphia, 4/04), but he never explains why he believes white fertility is more important than that of other groups.

Did Brooks understand his source's views? A look at the American Conservative article (12/20/04) that Brooks presumably read, since he cited it, ought to have raised the suspicions of an engaged columnist. In it, Sailer describes the undesirable urban traits he says white people are trying to escape: ''illegal immigrants and other poor minorities,'' ''ghetto hellions'' and ''public schools.'' Are these the things Brooks meant when he alluded to ''disorder, vulgarity and danger'' and ''bad influences'' in his Times column?

As American Prospect Online found (12/7/04), a little research reveals Sailer as a leading promoter of racist pseudoscience. As a principal columnist on the white nationalist website VDare.com, named for Virginia Dare, the first English child born in the ''New World,'' Sailer (e.g., 2/23/03; 12/12/01) extols the work of academic racists who say Africans as a group are innately less intelligent than whites or Asians. He is also a staunch defender of the Pioneer Fund, a primary funder for such racist research (as well as of VDare.com).

On the rare occasion Sailer gives race a rest, it's usually to make some other mock-Darwinian argument, as when he ruled out the possibility of a gay gene, suggesting instead that homosexuality is a disease, possibly caused by a germ (VDare.com, 8/17/03): ''An infectious disease itself could cause homosexuality. It's probably not a venereal germ, but maybe an intestinal or respiratory germ.''

A New York Daily News column (12/13/04) rebuked Brooks for plugging Sailer, suggesting that the Times columnist ''might want to do a background check on the next 'expert' he quotes,'' pointing out that "Sailer also writes for VDare.com, which the KKK-fighting Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled a 'hate group.''' According to the News, the Times failed to respond to inquiries about the matter. No other mainstream outlets seem to have commented on the affair.

Conservative "bona fides"

In addition to writing for VDare.com and American Conservative, Sailer has contributed to the National Review and National Review Online. He also maintains a private email discussion group called the ''Human Biodiversity Group'' that includes many leading white supremacist intellectuals and ''scientific'' racists.

Sailer's job as a national correspondent for United Press International (UPI) may seem surprising to those unaware the old mainstream wire service has drifted far rightward since its purchase by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church in 2000.

A lucid writer with an accessible style, Sailer is a smooth propagandist operating in a community of increasingly sophisticated nativists and racists. Neither a researcher nor a scientist, Sailer's value to the movement is as a popularizer of its ideas and theories.

Weeks before the Brooks column, Times reporter John Tierney (10/24/04) quoted Sailer, describing him as ''a conservative columnist at the Web magazine VDare.com and a veteran student of presidential IQs.'' Tierney cited Sailer's claim that George W. Bush's IQ was likely greater than John Kerry's, information Sailer extrapolated from the results of different tests the two had taken--tests that were not intended to measure IQ.

Were Brooks and Tierney aware of Sailer's racist work? Were they sucked in by Sailer's sophistication, his academic sounding arguments? Or was it his bona fides with ''mainstream'' conservative outfits like the National Review and American Conservative?

''Civilized standards''

American Conservative was co-founded by Pat Buchanan, Peter ''Taki'' Theodoracopulos and Scott McConnell, who serves as editor. When McConnell was a New York Post columnist in the mid-'90s he suggested a brand of apartheid might be the solution to U.S. race problems (10/11/95):

I do believe that American race relations would not be the worse for acknowledging that blacks and whites have between them the power to develop alternatives to living together. Indeed, it seems to me possible that the very act of considering seriously such alternatives would, in and of itself, bring a rapid halt to some of the more flamboyant rhetorical and behavioral excesses now flourishing in the black community.

McConnell would later be named the Post's editorial page editor, before being fired in 1997 for writing a series of anti-Puerto Rican columns--but only because they reportedly threatened Post owner Rupert Murdoch's business prospects (New York Daily News, 9/17/97). Sailer is just one of the racist writers McConnell has published in American Conservative (see, e.g., Robert Stacy McCain, 5/19/03; Sam Francis, 6/7/04).

The National Review's support for racism traces back to its founding in the mid-'50s. A 1957 editorial titled ''Why the South Must Prevail'' (8/24/57) asked ''whether the white community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically?'' Citing the ''cultural superiority of white over Negro'' and ''civilized standards'' National Review editors answered, ''Yes--the white community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.''

Similarly, the magazine supported apartheid South Africa's white minority rule (4/23/60): ''The whites are entitled, we believe, to preeminence in South Africa.'' When Nelson Mandela and other ANC leaders were sentenced to life in prison in South Africa, National Review editors mocked critics of the verdicts (6/30/64): ''The South African courts have sentenced a batch of admitted terrorists to life in the penitentiary, and you would think the court had just finished barbecuing St. Joan, to hear the howls from the liberal press.''

Over the years many leading eugenicists and ''scientific'' racists have been warmly received by National Review. In a positive review of Race, Evolution, and Behavior, a 1994 book by Philippe Rushton, the current Pioneer Fund president, reviewer Mark Snyderman eagerly recounted the book's ''ambitious'' and ''fearless'' thesis (9/12/94): ''Orientals are more intelligent, have larger brains for their body size, have smaller genitalia, have less sex drive, are less fecund, work harder and are more readily socialized than Caucasians; and Caucasians on average bear the same relationship to blacks.'' (To be fair, this kooky book also got a thumbs-up from New York Times science writer Malcolm Browne--10/16/94. See Extra! Update, 12/94).

National Review tapped Rushton to write a review of a new edition of The Mismeasure of Man, Stephen Jay Gould's critique of eugenics--resulting in a predictable pan (9/15/97). And when Gould died in 2002, the magazine called on Steve Sailer (5/22/02) to do some grave-spitting.

''War against the white race''

Until his death on February 15, the award-winning writer Sam Francis was another member of this tightly knit circle of sophisticated racists. Francis had come far since his 1995 firing by the Unification Church-owned Washington Times for a speech he gave at the white supremacist American Renaissance conference.* Francis (Washington Post, 9/24/95) had told the gathering that a ''war against the white race'' was underway, and insisted that fellow whites "reassert our identity and our solidarity, and we must do so in explicitly racial terms through the articulation of a racial consciousness as whites . . . . The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted to a different people."

Francis was also a contributor to VDare.com, and since 1999 he had been the editor of the Citizens Informer, the publication of the Council of Conservative Citizens, the racist offspring of the old white citizens' councils of the Jim Crow era.

Francis also wrote a twice-weekly column for the mainstream Creators Syndicate. According to Creators, the column was distributed to 22 of its newspaper clients. The column also ran on right-wing and racist websites such as Townhall.com and Amren.com.

I have quoted at length from a few highly respected sources to make my point. Better to go to any of Sailer's other websites, publications or blogs to read the man in his own unadulterated language. There you will get his highly prized "context."

If you needed to know what a contemporary racist, anti-immigrant, misogynist, homophobe, looks like and sounds like, here you have it. Sailer does not walk the streets of his hometown in a sheet and pointed hat. Wait, I cannot say that for a fact as I do not know what he wears in the "halls" of the "cyber-institute" of Human Biodiversity or when he's just strolling through his local mall. I don't know if he prefers a flaming cross or a regular old bonfire.

But what you do need to know is that they, Sailer and his friends, pretend to be something that they are not, reasonable, thinking human beings. He attempts to hide his racist ways by claiming to be "defending" blacks in New Orleans, or using "science" to reveal "truths" about minorities, women, gays, immigrants and anyone else he hates.

Steve Sailer is a racist. Make no mistake about that. 


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Except that is not who Steve Sailer is.
No, Sailer is that and also more. If I referred to you as "a commenter at tpmcafe" that would be who you are, but not all.

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Yes, I think I demonstrated what the "more" is.

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Steve Sailer is a racist author for VDare.

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Good grief.

I don't think they researched this very well, Jade.

How awful.

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Jade, Look Here

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Max Blumenthal, "Sailer, Sailing Away From Himself", maxblumenthal.com, December 11, 2008

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Wow!!! Thanks for the additional links.

Let's add anti-Semitic to his list.

Really, this makes me feel that TPM should have known better.

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welcome; i posses low tolerance for racists, and shoot quick off of the hip at them.

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Ooohh now I'm worried. And in the context of an online debate what, actually, does your infantile bravado signify? You can type fast, what?

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You go, dude.

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you can scrape the CheezeWhiz®
off of the cracker,
but there's still that Gray Poop-On.

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Cracker?!

You quoted Tool. You can't get whiter than that.

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don't conflate in an attempt to hide that you came from the bottom of the barrel: a cracker is a white racist

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...and the hits just keep coming! I hadn't heard of this wingnut before last night. The danger is this guy pretends to be just your garden variety "conservative" in the mainstream media. But clearly there is enough stuff out there that his views are available by just doing a simple search with the Googler.

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I had the dubious pleasure a while back... Sailer used to be (maybe still is) a fairly regular pest at the Atlantic blogs and has occasionally been seen commenting on Matt Yglesias's Thinkprogress blog. He's so out-there that even the nuttier wingnuts want nothing to do with him.

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A garden variety conservative these days is someone who thinks Hispanics are all just about to vote Republican and that supporting Israel without question is part of being American.

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Jade7243,

You left out one other group that Steve Sailer hates and is a racist towards.

Steve Sailer has written several times in the past that he believes Asians, specifically northeast Asians (China, Japan, Korea), seem to possess higher average IQs than whites, according to the testing data he has analyzed.

Based on these writings, I have come to the conclusion that Steve Sailer hates white people and is a racist towards white people. He is suggesting that whites are inferior to northeast Asians.

I believe Steve Sailer is in reality a northeast Asian supremacist, and that he may be pretending to be white so that his real identity will not be smeared and attacked. His real name could possibly be "Tsai Ler" indicating northern Chinese/Beijing origins. The Beijing dialect of Mandarin has rather strong rhoticity, meaning "r" sounds are distinctly pronounced, so words and names that sound like "Ler" are common. His avatar is also probably fake. He probably chose the picture of a typical ugly, dirty looking, bearded, middle aged white man because of his disdain for whites in general.

This racism is despicable and unacceptable. I will notify the SLPC immediately and tell them "Steve Sailer" also hates and is a racist towards whites, and they need to be on the lookout for one "Tsai Ler" of Beijing or northern China.

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So are you a Sailer sock, or a Sailer tea-bagger?

Steve Sailer, "Is Love Colorblind?", National Review, July 1997

In which he distorts marriage statistics, noting the higher frequency of marriages between white males and asian females, than between asian males and white females. Sailer proves his head up his ass racism by not also noting the number of war brides from Japan after WWII, Korea and Vietnam during those respective wars. He also fails to note whether he considers the offspring from these marriages to be Asian or White. Sailer then took this racism further with:

Steve Sailer, "Bitter Asian Men ", iSteve Blog, August 29, 2005

Poseur punk. your first TPM post is massive fail. You need to do better than this lameness if you expect to pass your trash here.

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I'm surprised you took my first post seriously. It was clearly supposed to be a parody in response to all the attacks on Steve Sailer.

I'm not sure why you responded to my comment, in which as a joke I make the ridiculous assertion that Steve Sailer is in reality a northeastern Asian racist who hates whites, by posting two of Sailer's articles that are related to Asians and or Asian men.

First of all, you took my assertion seriously, and not as a joke as I intended. Second, you seem to be suggesting that there's no way Steve Sailer could be Asian, because he wrote a piece noting the disparities in interracial marriage patterns and one about "bitter Asian men", and Asians according to your implicit suggestion, would never think/discuss/write about such a thing. This of course is absurd, and readily controverted by anyone who happens to be Asian or by conversing openly with anyone who happens to be Asian. Asians will be the first people to tell you that yes, there are real disparities in interracial dating and marriage patterns as Steve Sailer notes in his article, and yes, these disparities remain even when controlling for the various "war brides." And yes, they will also maintain that the "bitter Asian man" idea is not simply some nefarious stereotype thought up and propagated by evil white men.

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Your parody is not welcome.

Mr. Sailer is masquerading as a "reasonable" person while promoting extremist views.

He does have racist things to say about Asians, including such twisted ideas about a link between their high achievement and purported low sex drive.

Go back to whence you came, apparently vdare.com

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Jade,

You wrote: "He does have racist things to say about Asians, including such twisted ideas about a link between their high achievement and purported low sex drive."

There's nothing "twisted" about it. I'm sorry to break it to you, but thinking about and writing about such things as the possible correlation between Asians' high achievement and purported low sex drive does not automatically mean one is a "racist". In fact it is actually done pretty often by Asians themselves in China, Japan, and Korea. They themselves actually think about this kind of question. Meaning that, according to your logic, there are around 1.5 billion people in East Asia that are racist towards Asians and hate them. You would know about this if your provincial self ever managed to leave New Mexico and travel or live in Asia for longer than a month.

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Steve, why not just post under your real identity? Why hide who you are?

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Jade,

Why don't you make an intelligent reasoned response instead of attacking me and intimating that I am "Steve Sailer" pretending to be someone else?

If you don't have a reasoned argument, just say so.

It's pathetic. You have not made one single argument.

All you've done is said that Sailer is a racist, homophobe, anti-Semite, baby killer, vampire, etc.

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I never called him (you) a vampire or baby-killer. Your "excited utterance" discloses more than you intended, Steve.

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"I never called him (you) a vampire or baby-killer. Your "excited utterance" discloses more than you intended, Steve."

No, it doesn't disclose anything aside from the fact that I am mocking your silly name calling.

Please be forthright. Go out and say that you have no reasoned arguments against Sailer, and that you will merely call him a racist and say that he is vile, over and over again. In your mind, this is enough to discredit every single one of Sailer's arguments and views. That's fine, but be open and honest about it.

Just admit that you have no reasoned arguments against Sailer and any of his arguments and views, and that you will simply call him a vile, disgusting racist, homophobe, anti-Semite, etc., ad infinitum. So we know what you're all about, and so we know what to expect from any of your future comments regarding this matter.

You are so confident in your assertions, so you should have no qualms about admitting this.

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Evidently you didn't read the volumes she said above where she made very reasoned arguments laying out what makes him a racist. If you did read it, you'd have to be pretty thick not to understand them, so I hope it's just that you never bothered to read them.

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She did not make any reasoned arguments at all in the volumes she has commented. She just cried out "racist" and quoted a bunch of passages from Sailer's work. There's no reasoned argumentation whatsoever.

According to her, and apparently you, merely noting race, or racial differences, or questioning the mainstream orthodoxy on race in some fashion, is grounds for being a vile, disgusting racist. You'd have to be pretty thick to believe this, so I hope it's just that you don't wish to break society's taboo of race, which is of course understandable. I mean, who wants to deal with smears and attacks for merely raising questions about race.

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Jade has it ever occurred to you that more than one person might disagree with you?

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Nice try, Steve.

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Same to you, is that all you've got, bleating about sock puppets?

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Jade you are a better journalist than 99% of talking heads on TV. What you have done here is a service to the TPM community. It's hard to keep up with all the morphing going on. But the scary part is the idea of using genetics to begin breeding the "ideal" human. This is very Hitler like ie. "master race" sounding. It can't be understated how dangerous this kind of thinking is. Millions die because of these ideas. Confrontation is of the utmost importance.
Thank You.

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I'd make that 100%!

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This goes to Zeno as well... (too bad we can't multi-reply)

Thanks, but the real hat tip goes to Aaron Schwartz. If he hadn't called Sailer a racist, if he hadn't used "race" and "racist" in the title of his post, I would have passed the Book Club by this week. And if Mr. Schwartz hadn't linked to Sailer's wikibio, I might have passed it off as just two opponents name-calling.

I just strongly believe you have a right to know a fuller biography who is "appearing" in the Book Club.

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I am with Zeno on this Jade. Really well done.

It takes work, study and a gift to see what may be hidden to uncover the truth.

And I see you do what I try to do. I check with Media Matters a lot. They will have someone posted on an issue or a liar for a great deal of time.

And that was just a small part of it I know.

Jeeez I am glad I took the time to ead this.

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Hi Dick!!!! Good to see you!

I merely chase down things that strike me as questionable.

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Zeno_of_Citium,

"It can't be understated how dangerous this kind of thinking is. Millions die because of these ideas. "

As anyone who isn't ignorant of 20th century history knows, the ideas of "equality" and "freedom" in Communist regimes were invoked in the systematic murders of tens of millions of more people than the Nazis managed to kill.

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Your 2nd TPM Post is another massive fail poseur. You paraphrase Sailer without even noting it? Come clean now, are you a Sailer sock?

Lenin, Stalin, and Mao slaughtered even more tens of millions in the name of equality than Hitler murdered in the name of inequality.

Steve Sailer, "The Coming War over Genes: Darwin's Enemies on the Left", The National Post, December 1, 1999

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I'm not only paraphrasing Steve Sailer in that instance, but many other writers and thinkers who have noted the same thing.

And apparently, you have memorized everything Steve Sailer has written.

Maybe you're the Sailer sock.

All your comments involve juvenile insults and attacks, followed by quoting Steve Sailer, whose work you've obviously memorized.

There's no mystery to you. You have no good arguments so you have to resort to attacking and trying to hound people who disagree with you out of here.

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You right wingers always trot out Stalin as cover for your Hilter "master race" love. I'm sick of it and sick of you. Stalin was a megalomaniac who also happen to be a marxist. That has little or nothing to do with eugenics and the dangers it represents. Humans by design could led to the end human beings everywhere by viral wipeout because of lack of biodiversity. It is biodiversity that keeps us alive.

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"Humans by design could led to the end human beings everywhere by viral wipeout because of lack of biodiversity. It is biodiversity that keeps us alive."

And there is a hugely powerful argument for immigration control. How can you maintain human biodiversity without it?

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Hey TPM Admins; Sailer's 2nd post at TPM Cafe was
April 24, 2009, 1:50AM.

vdchatterjee's first TPM Cafe comment was
April 24, 2009 1:22 AM.

vdchatterjee's second TPM Cafe comment was
April 24, 2009 2:50 AM.

Would you please check your server logs for IP dupes on these three posts?

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Hey TPM Admins: PseudoCyAnts apparently knows everything Steve Sailer has written and can recall all of his work, suggesting that he is in fact Steve Sailer himself.

Would you please check your server logs for IP dupes on PseudoCyAnts and Steve Sailer?

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An entire Walmart full of socks showed up in this thread, PCA, including the deluded and not too bright individual you have been toying with here. One of them, TGGP, has a serious case of keyboard diarrhea.

Best guess is they came from this spin-off of the 'Human Biodiversity Group', Gene Expression and in particular, this entry. Apparently, it's a point of pride that Sailer is here with us, no matter that we do not find him to be remotely near "America's greatest living journalist". Even more stupefying, is his presence is thought to be verification of how much attention is paid to Sailer by "the non-stupid movers and shakers among political bloggers (e.g. Yglesias)". See the comment section for more context, if you care.

Have made offerings to Kali and any other goddess to ensure that the socks will depart when their shoe goes back.

For Jade - In the same comment section I found this gem:

White women do not want to raise kids in an apartment. And once they have kids and a husband, suddenly they aren't so enthusiastic about massive taxes and public schools.

Said by a white man it is presumed. No, make that assured. They haz no cheezburger in their pointed little heads. Just air whooshing about. More later on this.

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You are correct, I did come here via GNXP (which as far as I know is not a spin-off of the Human Biodiversity Group, which consists of people had to have already been somewhat well known before they were invited, but was instead another blog by people interested in some of the same topics). I admit that I do often have logorrhea of the keyboard, but I think here I've been relatively restrained.

To me there is an obvious symmetry in Sailer's comments about blacks & asians relative to whites. vdchatterjee gave the satirical evidence that he is an asian supremacist, and was countered with Steve's writings on "bitter asian males". But if Steve is instead judging races on whether they have lots of testosterone and can get dates outside their own race and thus is anti-asian, that would make him a black supremacist. There yet remains the possibility that he thought of his own race and decided that was the ideal happy medium. It would not be unprecedented. While Nazis are known for being obsessed with racial purity, one of their predecessors viewed the Prussians as the greatest race precisely because they were a mix of German and Slav.

If you think the war-brides issue fouls Sailer's conclusions, look at studies of speed-dating or internet dating instead. Asian women show the least same-race preference, black women the greatest. Asian men are the most penalized by women, black men the least.

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Did it cross your mind that Steve Sailer might have his own blog isteve.blogspot.com. And furthermore that he might have mentioned that he was posting an article here and that people would read that and come over for a look around that time? I was interested to see what was brewing in the leftist fever swamp - not much it turns out.

Feel free to track back my IP. It should show me originating in southern Britain - Steve is in California.

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Thanks for posting this information, Jade 7243.

Representativeness of points of view is certainly an important issue to raise.

Personally, I'd rather that the racists out there also have a voice and be exposed, as you've done, rather than be shut out or write without their readers knowing of their record. They do reflect part of our society. If people expressing racist views are not able to publish, or only publish in forums with people of similar views to their own, then there is no social opportunity to challenge their views openly and have them try to defend those views or perhaps in some cases disavow them.

Obviously there are points of view on which there is disagreement--in some cases legitimate, I believe--over whether they are racist or not. (I might get called a racist just for saying that, in which case I'll be honored to have BruceL for company in that pantheon of tpmcafers who've been accused of that)

As for Lila, I believe her heart is in the right place in the sense that she does not want either a reality or a perception of inappropriate bias in who the invited contributors are. Who gets invited inevitably is a reflection of the biases--in the sense of the inherently unobjective points of view--of the person or people making these decisions. I would bet that she feels chastened and will very much take to heart the criticism she is receiving in this thread.


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Please note that I did not say Sailer should be persona non grata at TPM. My complaint with regard to TPM giving him a platform is the lack of vetting and thorough identification of the person and his affiliations, opinions and qualifications.

Lila Shapiro screwed up. The nine words she used to describe Sailer do not come close to revealing the identity of this person merely described as "journalist and critic at The American Conservative." (That is akin to describing "Adolf" as " an author and former art student and prolific painter.")

Ms. Shapiro is the editor of the book club. Part of her is to select not only the books for the discussion, but to arrange for "experts" to participate in the online discussion of them. Surely, that task requires some preparation. She writes an introduction for each of the participants.

Yesterday, I was inclined to give her and TPM the benefit of the doubt. After all, far larger news operations such as CNN had fallen for Sailer's less than candid bio, too. But today, I'm not feeling so charitable. Not towards CNN and not towards TPM.

The TPM Book Club is an endorsement to read the books featured. It is not fair, to you or me, the would-be consumers of said books, that the "reviewers" or "discussion participants" are not accurately described to provide us with the information we need to weigh their critiques against the content of the book.

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Short version of Sailer the racist, titles of 2 articles at VDARE link above:

03/08/09 - The “Obama Bear Market” And Why He Triggered It

02/22/09 - Phil Gramm And The Respectable Right Flinch From Minority Mortgage Meltdown

Is Steve Sailer the hairy Rove wannabe looking guy that comes up for some pics (NYMAG is one) on Google images under 'Steve Sailer', or the short haircut guy in the Max Blumenthal piece(are there 2..?)?

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He is the short hair guy, see link

How is this for a leading quote from his isteve page above, for a guy who swallowed Bush/Rove/Cheney lies and spin and ignorance for 8 years, Sailer definitely lives in wingnut fantasy land.

Jade, everything that went wrong the last 8 years is not the fault of Bush or white people like Sailer who voted for him, and according to Kool-Aid drinking Sailer, Bush did not lie, spin or wallow us in ignorance, for Sailer believes:

'Truth is better for humanity than ignorance, lies, or spin. And it's more interesting.' - Sailer

Question for Sailer, if truth is better, why don't you stop lying?

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NobleCommentDecider,

"How is this for a leading quote from his isteve page above, for a guy who swallowed Bush/Rove/Cheney lies and spin and ignorance for 8 years, Sailer definitely lives in wingnut fantasy land."

Steve Sailer has been consistently critical of the Bush administration for the past 8 years.


"Sailer believes:

'Truth is better for humanity than ignorance, lies, or spin. And it's more interesting.' - Sailer

Question for Sailer, if truth is better, why don't you stop lying?"

Can you please point out Sailer's lies? It is generally good practice to back up assertions with examples. I don't doubt that he lies and has lied before, as he is human, but it would be informative to see the lies that led you to make such a big assertion.

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Get a brain vd....

'Sailer has consistently criticized Bush', for following (??) the Sailer Strategy to GOP victory in 2004?

If Sailer was giving advice on how Bush could win in 2004, is that 'consistent criticism'? Only in the wingnut fantasy land of vdchatterjee. I suppose next you'll say Sailer voted for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004...?

Sailer is a racist, and racists vote Republican, voting for somebody is 'consistent' with backing them.

As to Sailer lies, Blacks and Hispanics did not cause what Sailer calls the Minority mortgage meltdown, poor Whites don't vote Republican cause land is cheap in the 'interior' (Minnesota, Iowa?-see the first link 'Sailer Strategy), and Whites didn't vote for Obama because of 'White guilt'.

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I don't find this at all surprising. Most "conservatives" share these views with Mr. Sailer. They just don't put them in print or share them in public. Instead, they lie about it and they typically just keep their mouths shut when race comes up outside of a safe circle of like-minded white people.

The widespread idea among white people that whites are somehow "better" or "superior" to black people is alive and well and very, very common albeit typically unspoken. One need look no further than the teabaggers of last week. I saw no black faces in the coverage of those gatherings and while the participants talked incoherently about all kinds of things they didn't like, but the unspoken (and IMHO quite obvious)truth was that they were there because they are furious about the fact that there is a black man in the White House and they will never, ever get over it. I have absolutely no doubt about this sad reality and no qualms saying it.

Personally, I believe racism will remain in some fashion until our country stops living it's life in near total segregation. It's only by not knowing others that people can hold such idiotic and really evil views. America has made many, many significant gains in the fight against racism but most Americans, regardless of race, live in segregated neighborhoods, go to segregated schools and churches, etc... Separateness enables otherness.

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Jade, this is the highlight of the earlier thread, which I just had to reprint here.....Thank you for being so damn smart, and FUNNY!

"If your "theory" had legs, you would use it to describe the "under-performance" of whites in Appalachia in comparison to other whites national. Surely it must be the indulgent lifestyles of brewing moonshine, clog dancing and varmint hunting that accounts for their failure to thrive in white America."

Just Wonderful!

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Whites in Appalachia aren't all stupid or racists. They operate in a different culture from the rest of america. It's our problem that we judge them by our standards. Its the same with tribes in the jungles of Africa and South America.

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You're too serious Zeno. I thought it was funny.

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I'm actually not sure now whether you are serious....

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I get that it was funny. I just wanted to make a point that is often forgotten.

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Sailer was promoting his "theory" that black New Orleanians are more "susceptible" to the "indulgent culture" of New Orleans because of its unofficial marketing slogan "Let the good times roll," in comparison to New Hampshire's slogan "Live Free or Die," and that slogan encouraged a lifestyle in which black people would engage in gluttony, criminality, addictive behavior and sloth because they possess a lower intelligence which requires stricter control. (Paraphrasing, but you can go read the original post here in the Book Club.)

Just as Appalachian whites are not all stupid or racists, neither are all black New Orleans fat, crack-addicted, gambling, over-sexed criminals who need "strict" supervision and control over their morals. But Sailer believes and promotes that racist shit.

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I think the other thing that stands out is the idea that everyone is only responsible for themselves. These eugenics people seem to imply that each person is an island, as if what upper class people do has no negative affect on the lower classes. That's just BS. If you are a loser in their minds, it can only your own fault or you have inferior genetics. The thing about being genetically flawed implies nothing can be done to fix it, and no one is responsible. How convenient....

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Thanks for this Jade. Rec'd! I was shocked to see him on the Café page as well. I knew him mainly as a troll annoying everyone else in the comments over at Matt Yglesias' blog. Didn't realize he had This kind of profile, though...

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Do we here at the Cafe recognize a distinction between racism and racialism?

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This man, Ellen, is a RACIST, pure and simple.

Parsing to come up with meaningless distinctions serves no one but the racists themselves.

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Jade, I think you wrote a great piece and have a very compelling case. I fully agree that the writings you have found illustrate some racism. But I don't agree that it is 'pure and simple'. I am not trying to defend a racist I just think there are shades of gray.

Have you ever read Tomas Sowell? I am not referring to his crazy columns but his historical ethnography books. He has built a career on much more blatant racial profiling then that employed by Mr. Sailor. Yet I think its a mistake to blanketly dismiss his views as he sincerely believes it and I don't think its fair to think of him as a self hater (Clarance on the other hand...). I don't agree with most of what he or Steve writes, I just I think there is more to issues of race than just 'pure and simple' 'with us or against us'.

I suppose that is why I thought Eric Holder was correct when he stated that when it comes to talking about race 'we are a nation of cowards'. Race is a difficult issues and I think we are right to err on the side of caution. However I also think it is something I hope one day we can find a way to discuss in a non racist manner.

Regardless- excellent post.

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Sailer is entitled to his views, no doubt about that. And far more enlightened people than I have made the case that he is a racist, among other things. There are some people for whom the description "pure and simple" fits. Sailer, in my humble opinion, is one of them.

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OK Ellen, you tell me; is the following racist or racialism?

All this is now common parlance, more or less. What you won’t hear, except from me, is that "Let the good times roll" is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.
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In a racially diverse democracy like New Orleans, voting for good government takes a backseat to voting for your tribe's representatives in the eternal ethnic tussle over slices of the pie.
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Nor is it surprising that the black refugees at the Superdome and the convention center failed to get themselves organized to make conditions more livable. Poor black people seldom cooperate well with each other because they don't trust other blacks much, for the perfectly rational reason that they commit large numbers of crimes against each other.

Steve Sailer, "Racial Reality And The New Orleans Nightmare", VDare, September 03, 2005
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Sounds racist to me but ---

My question still stands.

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Hi Jade,

First, let me thank you for being an integral part of TPMCafe with your comments and other contributions.

Second, let me identify myself - the current TPMCafe Intern and someone who works with Lila closely everyday. Trust me when I say we take the issue of Cafe content and reader responses very seriously.

Mr. Sailer was invited to participate this week at the suggestion of Andrew Gelman, this week's featured author. The invitation process for book club involves brainstorming from both the Cafe team and the author.

Gelman quotes some of Sailer's work in his book and even noted that while he does not fit the usual TPM frame, he would be good for discussion. And while I understand your frustration with him, has anything been so effective as highlighting the more troubling aspects of Mr. Sailer's work as Mr. Swartz devoting substantial post time to him? The participants in this week's discussion have been circling each other in the blogosphere for a while now, as noted in many comments above, but this forum has permitted direct interaction among them. And provided for some very interesting discussion.

I'm also interested in your comment about other race-related book clubs. If you're referring to Clay Risen's "A Nation on Fire," Peniel Joseph was a participant - and I believe the definition of a "prominent black voice." We also can't control people's schedules: for any given week, we invite upwards of 10 people to participate in a book club - some don't respond, some are unable to participate because of other work, and some just aren't interested. But we do our best.

I hope that explains things. Please continue to let us know if it doesn't.

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Thank you for weighing in, Versha.

My complaint with regard to Steve Sailer is this:

The man is identified by numerous sources -- not just me -- as being a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic and a regular contributor to a blog identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as an "online hate group." Further, Sailer is the "founder" of the Human Biodiversity Institute, a "think tank" which promotes "race science" -- eugenics -- and supports the claim that homosexuality is an easily curable disease caused by a "gay germ."

TPM -- as did CNN in their special Blacks in America and numerous other responsible, mainstream media outlets -- failed to identify Sailer as anything more than a "journalist" and "movie critic" for a right wing publication. Both FAIR.org and Media Matters in America -- both progressive and respected media watchdogs called out CNN for its failure to accurately identify Sailer. TPM has made the same mistake. In my opinion, that is unacceptable given what I now know is the reputation which precedes Sailer. TPM should have alerted its readers of Sailer's more complete biography. Please note, I have not said Sailer should not have been invited to participate. What I am saying, and this is the matter of critical importance, is that merely identifying Sailer in as rudimentary manner as TPM did, fails to provide the reader with the necessary context with which we should filter his views. Those that agree with Sailer can do so, those who don't will know more specifically why he holds the opinions he does. Whether Mr. Gelman and his co-authors asked for Sailer to be invited is an interesting sidebar, but does not absolve TPM from its primary responsibility to its readers.

With regard to the two other books in recent Book Clubs -- specifically, Robert J. Norrell's Up From History, and Clay Risen's A Nation On Fire, -- two books which would hold particular interest to TPM's black readership, among others, included only one black discussion participant. You may know that I contacted Peniel Joseph to ask if he was going to weigh in on the discussion of Risen's book. You may know this because we both received his message that he was experiencing computer problems and couldn't connect with TPM. None of the discussion participants for Norrell's book were black.

While I recognize that you have no control over the interest of, or schedules of the persons you invite to participate, it is not unreasonable to expect some balance. Even among the "Cafe regulars," I do not see any black faces. I'd like to see that change.

What I would like to see going forward is a more detailed bio of the participants invited to discuss the books. The Sailer incident is troubling. I'd like for that to not be repeated.

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A possible suggestion is Glenn Loury. He's always good on BloggingHeads.tv and has a book that recently came out on race & incarceration. It was featured at Cato Unbound, but a lot of the discussion was dominated by the guests talking about statistics when he wanted to focus on moral issues regarding collective decisions we make.

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Hi Jade,

I understand where you're coming from. We always try to create a balanced mix at these book club discussions and invite a wide range of people. Andrew Gelman and I thought that Sailer would provide another perspective. As far as his participation in this book club goes-- he's made comments that I disagree with, but not ones that I think should be stricken from the site. He has a perspective, and I think the other participants have done good and interesting work arguing with him. Does that make sense?

Thanks,
Lila

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And my head hits my desk...

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Hitting your head on a desk isnt actually a viable argument. Writing about it even less so.

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Lila, I have no problem with TPM allowing Sailer a chance to blog, as long as I'm allowed to shoot back.

Sailer has shown his cowardice this week at TPM by not coming out and saying what he has said many times in the last year: that he believes Hispanics are the reason for the failed mortgage problem in America.

Weasel is as weasel does...

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You absolutely have the right to shoot back-- I just wanted to weigh in, let you know I'd seen, and explain why we decided to have him on board.

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Your shooting back so far has not involved one single reasoned argument backed by evidence.

You have simply lifted entire passages from Sailer, whose work you have religiously devoted to memory, pointed to the passages, and shouted "racist"!

All of us "socks" out here are still waiting for you to make a reasonable argument.

You have shown your cowardice this week by silly name calling and smearing.

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lol - watch it trollboi, you do not want to get into a flame war with me.

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All you've done so far is wage a flame war.

You still haven't controverted any of Sailer's arguments.

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"watch it trollboi, you do not want to get into a flame war with me"

Really? And if we do what happens, you can remotely make my keyboard explode? Or rather just type a lot of words which I may or not read.

One of the great things about Steve's site is one can read well written comments from intelligent, insightful people. No-one indulges in flame wars and they certainly wouldnt brag about it.

This is an online debate, the winners are the ones with the facts and the reasoned arguments. The losers are the ones with insults, the strawman arguments.

"watch it trollboi, you do not want to get into a flame war with me" - Its the sort of comment, PCA, that I would expect from some bed wetting socially awkward teenager. Grown-ups arent interested. If you want to have your little flame war why not scamper over to the comments sections of youtube.com, you will find plenty of your kind there.

Oh and boy is spelled 'boy', not 'boi'.

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you have a whole drawer full of dirty socks you talk to?

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Sorry, that doesnt even make sense.

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Really? And if we do what happens...
Maybe this was a spelling error and you meant OuiOui, or possibly WiiWii?
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smelly socks

=D

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Lila, what is your response to what I understand to be Jade's primary request--for a more detailed biography of the invited commenter, or perhaps a link to a more detailed biography?

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Lila, please read my reply to Versha, above.

You failed to fully disclose who Steve Sailer is. Merely calling him a "journalist and critic at the American Conservative," is grossly misleading.

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And I note that there is no one -- other than vdchatterjee -- who disputes the indisputable: Sailer in his own words is a racist, among other things. Even you, Lila, in your defense of the invitation -- which is not at issue here -- do not defend the vileness of his views.

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Jade,

According to recent comments on this thread, Steve Sailer was invited to participate at TPM by a real social scientist, Andrew Gelman.

You, apparently with no scientific education or background, have repeatedly attacked Sailer as a pseudo-scientific "racist" for his more "controversial" views.

Well according to a genuine scientist, Andrew Gelman, at least some of Sailer's work and thought meets his standards as a scientist.

That being said, I don't expect you to change your behavior and respond with arguments rather than name calling, smears, and attacks. After all, your goal is not to make reasoned arguments with evidence and support, but to attack and hound people off so that they can't air their opinions. Through your attacks, you hope to inconvenience people like Ms. Shapiro so that they don't have to deal with the hassle of inviting "controversial" speakers like Sailer ever again.

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Sailer is not scientific. He jacks statistics, finding cause that are in reality just specious correlation. He blames Hispanics for the mortgage problem in America, simply by noting that communities which have the most mortgage failures, also have high Hispanic populations, without offering any statistics as evidence, showing that Hispanics represent a disproportionate number of the failed mortgages in these communities.

This isn't science; it's a game he learned being a "market research" executive.

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"...communities which have the most mortgage failures, also have high Hispanic populations, without offering any statistics as evidence"

He has provided statistics as evidence. You can dispute the causal relationship, but Sailer has provided statistics that show correlation.

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This is evidence of nothing other than that Hispanics are a major component of the fastest growing communities in America. Proof comes with showing that Hispanics make up a disproportionate number of failed mortgages in these communities, and then properly cleaning the data for other artifacts; ie, showing that this was not directly related to layoffs disproportionately affecting the Hispanic population in the community.

You accuse Jade of being unscientific, yet seem to have a pitiful lack of understanding about statistical science.

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What do you expect? Our new pal VD here supports a guy whose "science" includes this gem of human psychology:

Supporting Obama for President, like supporting Powell a decade ago, is seen by many whites as the ultimate in White Guilt Repellent.

I mean, seriously.

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Right then, you start digging some evidence for these layoffs that hit Hispanics harder. Good luck with that given that the hard times hit after the mortgage crisis.

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Jade:

Well done. Thanks to you and Aaron Schwartz for exposing this guy, as well as everyone else who pitched in.

I too,am concerned that the I think you need to start your own "blog" outside of TPM, Kos, HuffPo, etc. Within 2 years I'll bet we'll see you as a guest on Bill Maher's show!

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"Exposing", its pathetic.

Go and read Steve's articles and make your own mind up. Why do you need someone to hold your hand, dont you even know what you believe?

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It seems that you are confused about statistical science, and science and logic in general.

You're arguing that Sailer is somehow suggesting that Hispanics qua Hispanics, that is, some metaphysical reality or quality of Hispanics "caused" the mortgage crisis, and that in order to prove this he must tease out every circumstancial facet of Hispanics.

But of course Steve never does such a thing.

In fact, he has noted many times before that it has much to do with the fact that "Hispanics are a major component of the fastest growing communities in America" and that it is "related to layoffs disproportionately affecting the Hispanic population in the community," that is layoffs in the construction and low wage sectors.

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glad I ran across this, I was about to start arguing with this Steve guy about why throwing up all of those points about how many Hispanics have had their homes foreclosed is not relevant to the deregulation of the financial markets and the rise of predatory lending practices. But there's not a lot of point in arguing with someone from outer wingnuttia because they really do believe minorities buying houses destroyed our economy.

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I second the call for more informative bios of book club commenters. In this particular case, mention of the fact that the author requested he be invited would have clarified the situation and one could have read Sailer with that in mind.

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Fine piece of research.

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You've got to be joking Rumpole. As I said earlier, if you want to know about a writer, look them up.

If you read their piece on TPM surely you know whether you agree with it or not in the first place. In effect you are saying that you could have read a piece by Sailer, agreed with the substance of it only to have some low wattage commissar tell you that he is a racist and then what? You change your mind even though the substance of the piece has not altered by one comma. That's pathetic.

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How convenient. When presented with quote after quote evincing nothing but sheer racist bile, the quote's defenders don't discuss them. Instead, they accuse others of being sheep. That's extremely convenient.

Are you sure you're in Britain? "Cause we have a whole bunch of folks in this country that enjoy the exact same flavor of stupid--great big buckets of it.

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Rumpole, do you not comprehend anything?

The flock of sheep bleating here did so after Jade's 'expose'.

Surely they knew when reading Steve's piece whether or not they understood it, without having someone explain it.

All Jade has done is pick some fatwas enacted from the alphabet soup of leftist hate groups and propagate them here. She has not engaged with what Steve has actually written and confronted it directly.

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For a lark, I took a look at Vdare. Holy crap. (And I don't mean that in a good way).

OOGA BOOGA, my man. The left is out to take your cheetos.

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But there's not a lot of point in arguing with someone from outer wingnuttia because they really do believe minorities buying houses destroyed our economy.

I do believe he said that the main cause was the not so "gentle" coaxing of the residents in the Oval office to ease lending practices to sub par risks, which in turn fueled the housing boom followed by the housing crash, as it was clearly unsustainable. Many of these sub par risks were disproportionately Hispanic and Black as the evidence states. How is that "outer wingnuttia", aside from the fact that you can make a really neat and witty ad hominem attack without needing to look at the facts?

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I see no one here trying to disprove anything that Sailer has written. You are only trying to attack him as a person.

You want to eliminate research about racial disparities? Then petition the government to outlaw racial classification. As long as our businesses, schools, and government codify people by race there will be statistics to study.

It is not racist to point out that on nearly every aptitude and professional exam Asians score higher than Whites, who score higher than Hispanics, who score higher than Blacks. It is simply a statistical fact. It is not racist to point out that the 2008 default rate for Hispanics was twice as high as that for Whites. It is documented, and worth studying.

What is truly ignorant is what I see here in this thread: people trying to dismiss valid research by attacking the researcher. I don't care if Steve Sailer is a racist or a pedophile or a dolphin, his work is coherent and informative. He should be saluted for being brave enough to study a subject that is extremely taboo, as demonstrated by the internet lynch mob his mere presence stirred up here.

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I also salute TPM for its courage and intellectual honesty in letting Sailer's voice be heard. The fascist ideology of political correctness is too often used to censor objective viewpoints that conflict with the cultural mainstream.

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One of them, TGGP, has a serious case of keyboard diarrhea.

"Keyboard diarrhea"? I challege you to cut Ms. Jade's bloggal tirade into WordPerfect or Word and get a word count. I got 4,871 words - about 7 times the length of a typical newspaper column. She couldn't make her case any more succinctly than that?

I have been reading Steve Sailer for 3 years, at least. It's fair to say I'm a fan, though I don't always agree with him. I've even contributed to his fundraiser. In that time period I have probably made several hundred comments on his blog. As with most other posted comments, he mostly doesn't respond. But I've found that when I provide him with data, whether the kind that's hard to locate or, on some occasions, the kind I did the number crunching on myself, he jumps on it immediately. He loves it. He eats it up.

And that's what you miss: the folks here are lashing out at facts. At data. You can "point and sputter," as we like to say, but that changes nothing. Let go that little mental block you have about uncomfortable realities and ask yourselves this little question: If the current economic crisis, which has brought our economy to the brink of collapse and has cost taxpayers trillions, is at least partly caused by lending policies (CRA, zero down) that were created in our effort to mitigate racial disparities wouldn't we want to know? Wouldn't it be a matter of survival to know?

Fact: The CEO of Bank of America, in a conference call last week, admitted that CRA loans, while only 7% of their mortgage dollars, accounted for 24% of their loan losses.

We live in a multiracial republic where crucial decisions have to be made. Some of those decisions entail our very survival. But we're not allowed to bring up any solution to any problem that might rub the wrong way anyone who carries a racial grievance - and that's a lot of policies: crime and punishment, lending policies, hiring policies, firing policies, workplace promotion, educational attainment, budget policy, contracting policy, energy policy (see "environmental racism"), foreign policy, trade policy, immigration policy, immigration enforcement, national security, ad infinitum.

We cannot continue to ignore problems or pick only those solutions that wouldn't piss off any one of dozens (hundreds?) of groups with a racial/ethnic/religious axe to grind. I honest to God believe that diversity can be a blessing, but not if we have to live and talk like this.

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Before I say this, I want to say that I don't mean any harm to you White folks who are good, decent people. I'm just trying to make a point to the White people that are racist hate mongers.

Why don't we flip the script. Let's say that people of color like me are all a bunch of Neanderthals. The way I see it, people with white skin have slaughtered fellow human beings and the environment more than anybody. So, intelligent or not, wouldn't the BEST thing for the planet and humankind be to sterilize all of you and let you die out? I mean, we are interested in what's best, right?

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