Lying With a Straight Face
I've been diligently watching the debate for the Stimulus Bill since it started. Everyday, I am amazed by the ability of certain members of a certain party to lie their asses off. They've lied about how we got into this mess. They've lied about their responsibility for enabling a certain former President to spend the surplus he entered office with down not just to zero point zero zero dollars, but negative gazillion billion point zero zero dollars.
This afternoon, things reached the hieght of sheer stupidity with the Senator from Utah claiming the fiscal conservatives have never had control of the federal budget since he's been in Washington. Oh Really?
They've whined about the lack of bipartisanship, while beating the hell out of three colleagues who made a good faith effort to be -- wait for it -- bipartisan.
But the absolute height of ridiculousness came when a Senator from Oklahoma claimed in his long rambling laundry list of wrongs done against him and his party by the "Democrat" party, that including a provision in this bill for light rail transportation -- in particular MagLev, magnetic levitation -- is wrong because MagLev transportation technology doesn't exist. Please allow me and the engineers who have created and installed and monitor magnetic levitation trains that run all around the world to call "Bullshit!"
How about this one that runs in China? (Oh wait... China doesn't count.)

The quiet low-pollution train will be mainly used in urban areas, Xinhua news service reported.
The train consumes less energy than faster maglev trains.
China opened the world's first commercial magnetic levitation train with the highest velocity of more than 267 miles per hour in Shanghai in 2002, based on German technology.
Maglev train lines have been considered as an effective means to deal with the heavy passenger flow in the Yangtze River Delta, one of the economic powerhouses in China, the news service said.
Copyright 2006 by United Press International
And the article speaks of German technology. (Damn, Germany doesn't count either.) And heavens to Betsy that appears to be a real train in the picture unless of course it's been Photoshopped.
Using the Google to google the phrase "magnetic levitation train." one would find 47,600 references. But wait there's more. I recall as a much younger version of myself watching "the Wonderful World of Disney," and being mesmerized by the promises of the future as illustrated by the Disney imagineers. When promoting the new (back then) DisneyWorld park, future visitors were invited to ride on the MagLev train that would whisk you from the airport to the amusement park just Outside of Orlando. So once again using the Googler to google "Orlando maglev" there are 45,600 references to the Florida MagLev Demonstration project.
So the Senator's absurd assertion that the "technology doesn't exist" and the US wouldn't benefit from maglev rail systems is simply ludicrous on its face.
It doesn't take a genius to see this is why we continue to lag behind Europe and Asia in the development of alternative forms of transportation and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels. When your so-called leaders are willing to step before not just their colleagues, but the C-Span cameras and hence, the voting public, and lie for the record and on the record, you have witnessed failed government.
But if that statement by the Senator was not enough, he proceeded to rail against changes to healthcare, promoting a Fox News story in which the former Lt. Gov. of New York, Betsy McCaughey, claims -- wrongly -- that this bill is the first step to socialized medicine in which you will lose your right to determine what your medical treatment will be. (Olbermann smashed this gem to pieces last night.)
The Republicans need to stop the lying. This is not a question of a lack of bipartisanship. It is partisan politics, pure and simple. But worse, it is subverting the very process those persons were elected to support and defend.
You cannot lead if you lie.









Some colleagues recently rode the Shanghai train for fun. The value of maglev is speed, not cost or efficiency. If speed makes it competitive with air travel the cost is less an issue.
Still, regular rail, done well, is better for cost. Japan's Shinkansen is in the 200-mph range.
BTW, can someone do a FAQ about embedding images?
February 13, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The quiet low-pollution train will be mainly used in urban areas, Xinhua news service reported.
The train consumes less energy than faster maglev trains. Seems that we can do light, commuter rail as we're developing out here in NM, high-speed rail like the maglevs, or a number of the things in between. And what was interesting about this particular Chinese train is that it runs at about 93 miles an hour. Still, being able to get from, say Atlanta to Orlanda via maglev at any speed and in lieu of the interstate would be a good thing.
Regarding embedding images, I just tried good ole copy and paste for this one. When I clicked the image button, Movable Type was looked for assets stored on the computer. So I tried copy and paste. But you're right a tutorial would be really helpful.
February 13, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with putting the link into the Create window in text mode is that it gets turned into code, the brackets get converted. I had mixed success with copy paste; worked one way not the other way. But here's how to beat the text mode filter:
When Creating a blog entry, temporarily select HTML mode using the <A> button on the right end. Then type or paste in
<img src="http://yourlink.com/nameetc.jpg" />
and when you go back to the normal view A or Preview, the pic should show up.
I don't know how to put pics in comments.
February 13, 2009 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jade, great post and would love to hear more from you! I was wondering what, as a voting citizen, I could do about this lying problem (and I'd like to catch the dems too). I think the net will help but you know who lets it continue - MSM. If they started calling them on it it would dry up in a heartbeat. If the reporters prepared themselves before interviews they could nip the lie in the bud right in the middle of the interview. We learned as children when we lied and our parents came back at us with the truth how hopeless it was. It is a no brainer for the MSM to focus on the conflict, not the facts and they get no feedback from the public to stop.
February 13, 2009 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you considered the possibility that the Senator is simply too stupid to be allowed to speak?
February 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. These guys wear their ignorance like Medals Of Freedom. They only believe what Rush or the latest chain email tells them. This may be the dumbest bunch of crooks in DC history and that's saying something. They are BORG.
February 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Super post, Jade! Thanks.
Your post reminds me of a song: I've got plenty of nothin'
Sounds like a republican plan!
February 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aren't there websites which document such trash?
The question is: How to get the MSM to stop talking up the trash as though it were legit debate, and start condemning those in leadership positions who try to promote it!
Did you notice the "mouse" one recently? TPM had an entry earlier...
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/02/ah_the_mice_again.php
February 13, 2009 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just got in from work, Jade, but wanted to let you know how much I learn from your blogs in general and how much I enjoyed this one in particular.
Others have and will address the issue you raised about lying politicians and the MSM.
But I wanted to join you, for a moment, in enthusing about rail. I am not up on current train technology, so theMagLev possibilities strike me as being, well, thrilling.
Our generation -- at least those of us on the east and, to a lesser extent, on the west coast -- took train travel for granted as we were growing up. Commuter trains, over the river and through the woods to Grandmother's house trains, north/south trains and cross-continent trains.
And so it grieves me that, today, there are not only many children, but also many Gen X or Ys who have never known the ease of them in getting from point A to point B. The opportunity to really see, once outside urban and suburban centers, what the country, or the continent, looks like in between. (I even moved once by train, using the 3-day/3-night San Francisco Zephyr run to get my family and pets back East via Chicago and, switching trains, on to Washington. The trip was fabulous. We occupied two adjoining Pullman rooms, and fully utilized the bubble car and the dining car; we were both stimulated and soothed as we wound our way through the salts flats of Utah and the Colorado River valley, etc. Another civilized route was from New York to Montreal. Not to mention the trains in Europe, etc..
When, as an adult, I moved back to the south, I often drove from Charleston to Atlanta, and then on to Birmingham to see extended family and friends. And every time I drove the tedious five + hours it took to get to Atlanta, it struck me that 100 years ago I could have made that trip by rail in four hours. That's progress, eh?
Anyway, how may we help promote rail? For freight, as well as the transportation of people from Point A to Point B?
February 13, 2009 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Post. Thanks.
Would it be useful to have a blog a day on the Repubs lies, distortions and fallacies? Based on facts.
February 14, 2009 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I missed this Jade, workin on my own stuff.
Would you permit someone to teach HS history and give a lecture about the time when Lincoln shot John Wilkes Booth?
Or how about a civics professor that discusses the 48 states of the Union?
When do you draw the line between opinion and fact?
How do you draw the line between opinion and fact?
Well it is not our call. All we can do is read the WSJ and when Rove writes about a w administration that never took place, we must stand up and protest.
Send in a comment to WSJ. Do a blog here. Cross post somewhere else.
Check out Mediamatters, The Beast, Salon, read the articles that have some substance to them and leave comments there praising the people who are standing up and printing the truth.
Some days, I wonder if I am crazy but one of my regular outlets, if not all of them, demonstrate that I am not crazy and that there are lies being disseminated through the media.
We need blogs like yours, Jade. Good job. And look at the fine comments you receive.
I find eds to be a little on the conservative side at times. Not as regards your blog.
So good job. Keep on keepin on.
February 14, 2009 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post!
"The Republicans need to stop the lying." If there were only some way to have this happen. It seems an impossible goal, but other seemingly impossible goals have been met .... or gotten closer to, at least. So - worth a try.
What is the best source of actual, factual information when we are talking to someone who has bought one of the lies? Factcheck? We probably all did some of this during the primaries and GE. Guess it was naive to think the need would disappear once everyone could get down to the task of actually governing.
February 14, 2009 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
What if we encouraged the Dems to underscore the inclusion of this MagLev rail system when they talk to their peeps?!? Make it a talking point for the dems, a big victory. This is a place where Obama et al just made a whole lot of jobs and will eliminate thousands of car miles.
As for the ignoramus from Oklahoma, someone should tell him the wind farm is what is gonna makes those trains and he's taking on Boone Pickens when he rails against them. [Oh that's punny, rails!]
Watch the Daily Show on Monday and Colbert. They know how to get the word out that the Republicans are really embarrassing themselves and their party. I'm optimistic they'll catch that. If not, you can write them too.
It was probably because of guys like the senator that we have No Child Left Behind because evidently, he was.
Great post!
February 14, 2009 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wanted to read your little essay, but couldn't make it past the point where you asserted Clinton left office with a 'budget surplus'.
None but the staunchest of KoolAid drinkers make such assertions. I knew when I seen that I'd be wasting my time reading the balance of it.
February 14, 2009 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please support that assertion.
February 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't wait up for that one, Tom. :)
February 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Oklahoma, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said the GOP wants 90 percent of the surplus used for the debt."
I'm sure you could find a bunch of republicans calling it a surplus.
February 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Duh! Clinton's last budget was a surplus.
February 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You cannot lead if you lie."
You can for eight years.
February 14, 2009 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Insert the word "effectively" in an appropriate place. :)
February 14, 2009 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday, John Boehner waved a copy of the stimulus bill in the air and railed that "no member [of Congress] has read this!" He also claimed that it was "loaded with pork". I'll assume Mr. Boehner simply absorbed the information contained in the bill through his forehead.
These Republicans are such morons.
February 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, bunnycat (or is its catbunny?), second time this morning I've come across you. Great to see you back.
February 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
General Boner also talked about the census being "politicized." Can you imagine an administration politicizing anything? I mean, what if an administration only hired people as contractors to rebuild Iraq if they believed that life begins at conception! Or what if they only kept lawyers in place who would drum up charges of voter fraud against the opposite party?
Just couldn't happen in Boner's little mind -- I just truly wish that when he comes out with something like that a reporter would have the good sense and courage to ask him if he is embarassed.
February 14, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the reporter to have the good sense and courage to come back at those people they have to know what they are talking about and have the support of their editors. I suspect they have neither. I hope the netmedi tears a big fat hole in the MSM numbers soon. Maybe that'll wake them up. Sorry for the ranting but I just keep thinking about all the people that sit around listening to FOX et al.
About 5 or 6 years ago my father started spouting all this righwing nut stuff that he never had in his life. I asked my brother what was up with that and his response - my sister had gotten our dad direct tv and he was watch FOX news. Jeez loueeze.
Glad to see the bunnycat!
February 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahaha
I do not know why exactly, but the way you put it so succinctly.
February 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes they are. The only people they are pleasing are their very far right base & if that isn't enough for them to win an election, what is their point? They are still acting like their arrogant former selves, damned if I see that ever helping them. The results of the election for change totally eludes them.
So happy to see many people we haven't seen for some time. TPM is still one of the best
February 14, 2009 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone asked Boehner if he read the Patriot Act before he signed off on it?!?
February 15, 2009 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess we nailed two vices with our posts, Jade. (Lying and Theft)
I did rec'd yours last night by the way.
February 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, Jade - excellent as usual- and rec'd!
February 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Every public official has constituents. There is however, a huge difference between an actual constituent and a political contributor. It would be interesting to know the campaign dollars that come from true constiuents as opposed to contributors. Anyway, the contributors are the purchasers of the lies and we, the voters, are the target sales audience. This translates to our elected officials effectively working on commission. The more lies they sell, or that voters buy, the greater is their commission. By any measure a really messed up scheme. The real wonder of it is there are so many dumb bastards out there buying this shit. Voters are little more than mushrooms waiting for the liars to come and harvest them. Pathetic.
February 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put. Purveyors of Lies. Investors in perfidy.
February 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recommend an organization similar to MediaMatters but with the intent to refute the lies on both sides. Admittedly, the GOP lies a lot more than the Dems so it would still have what could be perceived as bias.
This organization needs to push itself onto the mainstream media and onto c-span's Washington Journal as well as a commentator on c-span.
The idea would be to be a Fact Checking organization but with a lot more visibility than the Fact Checking organizations that are currently out there.
I believe we especially need fact checking on what is said on the floor of the House and Senate. If you listen to callers to Washington Journal on c-span, it is pretty scary what more than half of them believe. In addition, the people who believe the lies are much more belligerent and passionate. I think that Washington Journal is a good place to judge the effectiveness of the lies being told on the House & Senate floor. These callers are obviously not learning much about the FACTS by watching c-span!
Maybe there also need to be TV ads, from this non-biased, non-ideological organization, showing what is said on the floor of the House & Senate and then showing the truth and how to research those facts. These ads should be run in the states and districts that the liars represent.
Jade, I recommend you to get this going. You have a great way of distilling things down to the basics.
February 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wikied C-Span to see if there was a place to slip in fact checking. Doesn't look like it unless someone jams their 'unbiased' claim in their faces. But wouldn't that be great - a scroll across the bottom that would be fact checking as the congresspersons talk. Bet me they would run the cameras out again.
There were people here getting talking about getting some truth in media thing going and I don't know what happened to it. I know it would take a lot of money to do any large scale (like on C-span) and there just doesn't seem to be a demand for it. I think it is great fun when the republicans get called out but I have found myself rather defensive when it comes to my democrats and have to pull myself back. I have really given up on the reporters doing anything but repeating press releases. When are the news people realize they can have an avatar on the screen reading press releases and wouldn't even have to pay the reporters? Save a lot on benefits wouldn't they?
February 14, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would help if, when they relied on a press release, they quoted the source.
I agree that the places where the Congressfolk originated need to know what their representative is saying, but i suspect their people of origin, if you will, might agree with their representative, if for no other reason then party affiliation.
February 15, 2009 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which is worse, lying with a straight face, or listening to those lies with a straight face?
Any news broadcaster who interviews a Republican without intervening with the truth is an accessory.
Maybe there should be a harsher penalty for lying on the floor of the Senate. All that stuff is read into the record so it's easy to prove.
Shouldn't there be a Senate "penalty box"? Or is there one and it's just called the Republican side of the aisle?
February 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Penalty Box"... a great name for a Fact Check Organization!
February 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had a conversation with a Denver TV "journalist", via email, about correcting the lies and untruths when he was covering the Republican convention. I fought hard but he would just insist that his job was to 'let people talk'. That is NOT a journalist! He should be forced to take the title of "stenographer"!
Maybe more pressure could be put on "journalists" by catagorizing them as "journalists" or "stenographers". Let them try to justify their "journalist" title and other people let them know the ways in which they are not "journalists". If these "journalists" could be engaged in a 'conversation' about their journalistic standards, maybe they could begin to be better journalists.
Media Matters does a lot of good work but I think they need more support and a lot more visibility. In addition, they are organized for exposing conservative mis-information. We also need an organization that is perceived as exposing mis-information on both sides.
February 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they challenged both sides, they would get more support from the Middle, where most Americans reside. I think they would get more funds that way direct from the source.
One thing that bothers me with these organizations. Once they get your e-mail, you get a ton of messages almost every day. It would be better if they were more discreet in making a decision to blast out an e-mail.
February 15, 2009 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Deception is the lingua franca of Empire.
February 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post, Jade. We all need to do our part in calling out the lies and misrepresentations.
For those who want a good one, the best fact check site I've seen so far is FactCheck.org. It is less active now than it was during the election season, but they do good work.
February 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of a certain senator from Alaska -- a convicted felon though that is not relevant here -- who famously described the Internet as a bunch of tubes.
Nice post. Thanks.
February 14, 2009 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there were high-speed trains going out out like spokes of a wheel for 300 miles from O'Hare Airport, they could eliminate the crowding, reduce pollution, and make the whole traveling experience a more human endeavor.
Who wouldn't prefer to just buy a ticket and wait for the train to stop, get on, and ride to their destination, as opposed to being herded through lines with shoes off, waiting for seating to be announced, and then waiting again for take-off, etc etc etc? A comprehensive train system would make all our lives better. That is why republicans don't want it.
They depend on people being unhappy, and if we had a truly effective public transportation system, people might start to wonder if maybe a real public health system might also be a good way to go.
Take away some of these worries and people will stop obsessing about those "other" people getting more than they are.
February 15, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking as one of the engineers trying to create, install and monitor magnetic levitation trains that run around the world, allow me to say "thank you" for your post.
Given the feeding frenzy that the new high-speed rail/maglev funding in the stimulus has already brought about, it's good to see a positive post on maglev in the blogosphere. Please keep it up.
February 15, 2009 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jade:
How have you been. Missed you . . .
Anyway, another great post. I might also add to the list of Republican B.S. Mitch McConnell's statement on the floor of the Senate that the New Deal was essentially a failure.
February 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink