David Gregory?
I am disappointed, though not terribly surprised, in NBC's choice of David Gregory to be the next moderator of Meet the Press. I was hoping for someone more forward looking, who will move the show to a 21st century approach (whatever that is!). While I may be in a distinct minority on this point, I believe the media definitely need to provide at least one Sunday show that works hard at being objective both in choice of guests and in the moderator's perspective and tone of questioning. That is not to say that questions should be milque-toast. Questiononing can be probing, inciteful without being offensive or demeaning.
With the many options available online, all partisan and ideological voices can now be heard without fear of being marginalized or drowned out. What we need is an intentional choice to provide a forum to draw out the authentic voice of the guests in perhaps an even disarming way, rather than what is becoming so prevalent, the gotcha, antagonistic approach that forces a guarded, even at times defensive, response.
David Gregory does not fit the bill. He, more than some I think would have been better, is not very good at objectivity. His bias creeps in even when he does not appear to want it to. He is also not as articulate as I think is needed for a moderator. Maybe it is too much in our post-post-modern era to expect that a journalist/moderator would choose to strive to be the ultimate in objectivity because it would mean refraining from any editorial comment and forgoing the attack-dog tone and style that seems to be so dominant these days.
Here ends the wishful thinking.
With the many options available online, all partisan and ideological voices can now be heard without fear of being marginalized or drowned out. What we need is an intentional choice to provide a forum to draw out the authentic voice of the guests in perhaps an even disarming way, rather than what is becoming so prevalent, the gotcha, antagonistic approach that forces a guarded, even at times defensive, response.
David Gregory does not fit the bill. He, more than some I think would have been better, is not very good at objectivity. His bias creeps in even when he does not appear to want it to. He is also not as articulate as I think is needed for a moderator. Maybe it is too much in our post-post-modern era to expect that a journalist/moderator would choose to strive to be the ultimate in objectivity because it would mean refraining from any editorial comment and forgoing the attack-dog tone and style that seems to be so dominant these days.
Here ends the wishful thinking.
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Thank you for starting this thread. I CAN'T STAND HIM!!!! Did anyone else see the barf inducing toadying lovefest between Gregory and Brokaw? Gawd... I'd rather have Sean Hannity.
December 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone at HuffPo asked what we have all been thinking: Does Gregory have naked photos of highly placed NBC execs? How can they possibly explain his numerous promotions over the last six to eight months?
This was Brokaw's pick. That should say it all.
December 7, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember someone commenting that the reporting on the Iraq war was sanitized and pale compared to that of the Vietnam war. Gregory first couldn't believe that the person meant what he said, and then was highly insulted. The "imbeds" were all that was needed as far as he was concerned.
His ego gets in the way of any semblance of objectivity. As tough as that Vietnam-era footage was to watch, it certainly brought it home to all of us. Can anyone say that about the reporting from Iraq, which usually involves someone standing with a microphone giving a run-down of the events of the day. I'm not blaming that aspect all on the media; the Bush regime has made it impossible to do down-and-dirty reporting, but let's not pretend that we have any war coverage at all any more.
December 7, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Did you see how defensive he was after Scott McClellan's book came out? As a a front-row shill, he felt the need to whine "what more could we have asked?" Give us a break. Rapping with Karl Rove at the correspondents dinner should have disqualified him alone. And if that didn't do it, his award from the Media Research Center (a right wing front group) for best reporting of GWB should.
December 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The naming of David Gregory feels like a second choice. Then, loved, or hated him, there was/is only one Tim Russert.
Let's see how he does. The great arbiter for or against, in the end, will be the ratings.
December 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember the exact moment Gregory enraged me and was forever on my shit list. He was on his show talking about Obama being presumptuous and he said "how does the Obama campaign push back on this because IT IS THERE" and right after Rachel said "The people pushing for something past Presidents have done for years says more about them than it does about Obama" I realized he was a complete shill after that.
December 7, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gregory is a tool. He doesn't report, he reads press releases. He says what he's told to say. You'd get more critical thinking, stronger interviewing, and great objectivity from any local reporter in my TV market including the Saturday weatherman or host of the local garden show.
December 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the problem, perhaps, with so many of these MSM media types. They have to do a tap-dance to get moved up the ladder. So all we see, for the most part, are these bland people, out of touch with too much that really matters.
Ok... off to do some volunteering at the medical center... in touch with real people, many of them poor but all of them ill... and real. Even if you're out of touch beforehand, illness or an accident boots you straight into reality.
December 7, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
another sign that tv news is irrelevant. If you really want to know what's going on in politics, if you want to follow those taking the lead in terms of holding politicians accountable, there are several blogs including this one with which you can really learn something.
If you want political PR, watch the news.
If you want the news, read the blogs.
December 7, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I woke up this morning to the Gregory news...I can't say I'm shocked (this is the msm, after all)
but I AM highly disappointed. I know there is only one Tim Russert, and those shoes are unlikely to be filled anytime soon, AND I had no one in mind that I would have preferred, but somehow I had hoped they would come up with SOMEONE with a modicum of integrity. Gregory is a blatant whore (as opposed to someone who at least TRIES to camouflage it.)
In an effort to be fair, I'll give it a few weeks (I REALLY hate to prejudge!) Maybe he'll surprise us all and grow a pair, I mean, rise to the occasion.
December 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that gregory is a bad choice -- and echo my wife's cry of "Why?" when I told her about it -- but who would be a better choice. I go back to the Lawrence Spivak days -- just not quite old enough to have heard the original radio version -- and finding someone right to do the job isn't easy.
I have a suggestion, but first let's set some guidelines. You want someone who is both capable of being fair to guests they disagree with and is perceived as 'centrist.' This kicks out Keith and Rachel (Rachel has the 'fair' part down pat, but is perceived as being the farthest 'left' of the possibilities) as well as Mr. Senator Matthews, as well as Scarborough. Chuck Todd - another obvious possibility -- kicked himself out by his bumbling during the election season.
But we aren't limited to people who already work at NBC. MEET THE PRESS is such a prestigious gig that any newsman would be glad to take it -- and it might avoid intra-company rivalry to 'go outside.'
But we also don't want someone too old, not one of the 'classics' like Cronkheit, Moyers, Rather, or Brokaw. (We just don't want to have the possibility of naming someone new in a few months, even if we didn't want a 'younger, more relevant' image to the show.)
And why not go back to having a female host, just for a change. ("Back' because the original host, I discover, wasn't Spivak, but Martha Rountree.)
So my suggestion is to bring back someone who started at NBC and who is known for her fairness in covering subjects in depth, as well as someone who has always been one of the most iuntelligent people in the news business. She's a little older, but her work with young people gives her more of a 'relevant' feel.
So, my suggestion as the new host:
LINDA ELLERBEE.
Anyone have any other candidates?
December 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
My candidate is Diane Rehm. Why does it have to be a recycled NBC person. She is brilliant, fair, and photogenic. She can interview ANYONE and ask the big follow-ups. The only negative is that she avoids confrontation. She said she will ask a question and if the person avoids the answer she will ask again. After that she stops because she figures they just won't answer.
Actually that is one more time to get the same question than most of these talking heads ever do. I vote for Diane!
December 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Gregory? This is the best the MSM has to offer? Probably all you could expect from Brokaw.
I am curious to find out who others might think would be more appropriate to moderate such a show as MTP. I will throw out a few names just to prime the discussion (hopefully?):
Ted Koppel?
Bob Edwards?
Gwen Ifill?
Who else?
I personally have a difficult time coming up with any plausible candidates who impress me as being independent and able to assume a real-world perspective that is essential to the task. Any ideas?
December 7, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jon Stewart routinely asks more insightful and probing questions of his guests than any current political interviewer.
I'd watch Meet the Press were he to be the host.
However, that's not going to happen, and I'm not going to watch Gregory.
I also think Terry Gross is probably the best interviewer around these days, because she's obviously prepared, but she's also empathetic towards her guests, which is nice. However, since she already has her own very successful radio show, she's not a reasonable candidate, either.
December 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heck, I'd rather see Chris Wallace. At least he's not an idiot. I'd prefer someone with a principled right wing bias to a brainless toady. Even Pat Buchanan was right on the Iraq War. Pat would do a better job than Gregory if they told him he was confined to interviewing and not campaigning. At least he can think for himself and he doesn't get snowed by b.s.
December 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hadn't even considered Chris Wallace, but that's not a bad choice...At least on the surface he seems to try to keep his personal biases in check.
December 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
When that sob danced with Rove, that was it for me.
Andrea Mitchel would have been alright. When someone would get out of line during the campaign she would pipe right up and say that the statement was untrue.
Gregory will always start with: 'some are saying',
'others have said'. Two sides to every issue. Is slavery a good thing? Tune in tomorrow when we listen to both sides.
On one of the newsheets that listed potential candidates most of those listed here were mentioned. But it actually named Hitchens. Can you imagine?:
Thank you for taking the time to appear today on Meet the Press, Mr. Ambassador. If you could curb that penchant of yours for impregnating young girls, I think we will be hearing a lot more from you in the future. or
Thank you tuning in to Meet the Press this morning. I must apologize but I promise that we will no longer have guests appear who eschew the facts in order to hold on to beliefs most of us shed in elementary school.
It really would be something to behold.
December 7, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrea Mitchell's 85 face lifts just give me the willies ... I can't look at her!
December 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree this is a weak move by MSNBC. As far as I can tell they just needed something to do with Gregory after the election ended. I am definitely disappointed but don't mind less reasons to watch news on television.
December 7, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Smoke, Mirrors, and Pancake" to take a quote from "Nixonland" about how Nixon used the television medium in 1968. Lots of pancake makeup. Gregory is just another vacant anchor who agrees with Brokaw that it's all the people's fault. They have been "tsk tsking" those awful poor and stupid people who took on too much debt. And they should be punished. Maybe he'll have on Bill Cosby as a regular.
This is what Sheldon Wolin calls "managed democracy" in his book, "Democracy Inc."
December 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the whining pundits today was getting hysterical about union workers getting $28 an hour (even though new hires now get $15). I think the best thing we could do to enhance the objectivity of TV journalism would be to mandate that no TV pundit is allowed to be paid more than the prevailing manufacturing wage.
December 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's one of the best thoughts I've heard in a while.
December 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here! Here!
Excellent idea, bluebell.
December 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
!!!
December 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best news show on Sunday is GPS with Fareed Zakaria. He is excellent, very intelligent, & indeed a student of the world. He is egually well versed on foreign & domestic issues. He would be terrific.
December 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The globally informed, and politely insistent Fareed would be an infinitely superior moderator for MTP than the egomaniacal David Gregory -- whom I once liked when (with the singular exception of Helen Thomas) he was the best of a milk-toast White House Press Corps. But since joining MSNBC, he has devolved into a groveling, corporately-obescient (sp?) being I cannot tolerate.
Interesting,isn't it, that while the American electorate has made it clear that we want substance over spin, the MSM has not cottoned to that sea change in their own decision-making.
So one is left quoting the lyrics of Lerner/Loewe in My Fair Lady:
"Oozing charm from every pore, he oiled his way around the floor. Every trick that he could play he used to strip her mask away..and when at last the dance was done, he glowed as if he knew he'd won... and with a voice much too eager and a smile much too broad, he announced to the hostess that she was -- a fraud."
December 7, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, that would be equally.
December 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I generally don't watch it. However, I would if it had been given to Rachel Maddow.
December 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave up on these shows long ago. Tim Russert too could be annoyingly obtuse. The Sunday shows are just there to provide a platform for the current political propaganda and/or spin.
December 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess it is Gregory's turn. He has paid his dues. But, he is just a shill, like all the rest of them. Ask the easy questions, ask the questions that will insure that you will be able to ask another question. That is the name of the game.
"Prup" mentioned Linda Ellerbee. She was great. I had forgotten her...I watched her in the middle of the night when I was feeding my babies. In the late 70's, early 80's. Before cable. she was wonderful.
Rachel is smart, and she askes the right questions. But she needs a show that will let her ask the right questions. She is where she needs to be right now. She will go far...our Rachel.
December 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't even have a TV, but I watch Rachel Maddow every day. However I agree that this wouldn't have been the right platform for her.
I like Fareed Zakaria very much, and like what (admittedly little) I've seen of Andrea Mitchell. Terry Gross and Jon Stewart are the best interviewers out there that I've seen/heard, but both are much better suited to their current jobs than they would be to MTP.
Really, this just adds confirmation to my long-standing view that it will never be worth it to own a TV. Here I thought teevee news was onto something, giving Rachel Maddow her own show, but this is a step in the opposite direction (towards irrelevance).
December 8, 2008 6:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh well, time for someone to say something positive about Gregory. I liked his questioning of Scott McClelland. Even more I liked it when I showed up for a Walk For Autism one sunday morning and there he was, unshaven , carrying a small child on his shoulders.
December 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are good things to say about David Gregory. I guess we should try as much as we can, though, to encourage him to grow a pair.
December 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink