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Creationists and Their "Theory"


About a week ago I read that Kirk Cameron (former TV "heart throb", current Christian lunatic) was distributing a new "Origin of Species" book.  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20307814,00.html

Now we can point out that this is absurd simply because Cameron doesn't appear to even understand what he's talking about:
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 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

Darwin first used Spencer's new phrase "survival of the fittest" as a synonym for "natural selection" in the fifth edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1869.[2][3] Darwin meant it is a metaphor for "better adapted for immediate, local environment", not the common inference of "in the best physical shape" [4]. Hence, it is not a scientific description,[5] and is both incomplete and misleading.
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But aside from that, as my good friend Kbob points out,

Actually, IMO, part of the problem is that the "Theory" of Evolution is not a "theory" at all but a SCIENTIFIC theory, and that's where some of the disconnect is.

People who are adverse to science for whatever reason see the word "theory" and use it in its daily colloquialism as "random speculation." "Who damaged your car? -- maybe it was Sasquatch." That is a theory, by definition. But it is not a scientific theory.

A Theory, as it's used and defined in Science, is a model which has been observed, tested and confirmed in order to explain and predict phenomena. Therefore, a theory in SCIENTIFIC terms contains no speculation at all.

As for that bonehead Cameron, I could not possibly agree with you more, Schneibster, on the single-minded nature of people who simply want to deny what is obvious in scientific discourse. Nothing, for me, exemplifies this better than Kirk's earlier foray into anti-Darwinian stoopidity...

He's good enough to include the following video illustration of their wackiness..

If you've never before seen the famous banana THEORY (as used in the more loose, idiot definition), then brace yourself. You really have to marvel sometimes at how much people can embrace idiocy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4


And today - to hijack my own thread-  we see the news that some Conservative types are attempting to re-write the Bible, ostensibly because it's too "Liberal"  (It's hard to say that with a straight face, btw).
You can find this Blog entry right here at TPM:  http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/saulgoodman/2009/10/the-conservative-bible-project.php?ref=reccafe

The Conservative Bible Project

October 5, 2009, 4:35PM

Rod Dreher of Belief.net offers further analysis of a budding new Wiki project to rewrite the Holy Bible to eliminate what some young conservatives apparently now view as liberal bias in the scriptures (via Harpers; also blogged on MetaFilter).


The audacity to re-write these things is beyond me.  The Bible really is one thing... It's been re-written more than once already and seems "acceptable" at this point... you know?

But SCIENTIFIC THEORY?  To re-write Darwin - and distribute some 55,000 copies!!! - seems a bit more than out of line.



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Creationists: Deluges for Dummies:

The Age of Mammals only appears to come after the Age of the Dinosaurs because in the Genesis Flood, the mammals (smarter!) ran up the hills so their bones lie above the dinosaurs, ie, they all lived at the same time, just 6,000 years ago.

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It's hard to argue with the Banana "Theory" though... dontcha think?

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I love that banana theory.

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That banana theory is especially awesome because the banana being demonstrated is bred for commercial consumption. So most of the proofs provided to show that the banana was designed by God for man is actually proof that the banana was designed by man for children.

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And today - to hijack my own thread- we see the news that some Conservative types are attempting to re-write the Bible, ostensibly because it's too "Liberal" (It's hard to say that with a straight face, btw).

That is right. I was just in another discussion of this and remembered a documentary that centered on two 'breeds' of squirrels in Europe some twenty miles from each other. In the one grove the acorns were soft and the squirrels just picked up the acorns and ate them.

Twenty miles away, because of the soil, the acorns were much harder. The squirrels there had bigger hands/paws and had learned to break the acorns on chipped rocks. hahahhahah

I do not know exactly why this just blew my socks off. But, I mean, THEY keep asking where the missing links are.

JESUS H CHRIST.........

There are no 'missing links'....they are all there to see.

This crap comes on the 'independent' cable community channels all the time. Obviously some consortium of rich religious nuts makes sure we get to see these visions of wisdom every goddamn day in every single cable community throughout the country.

And forget this creative bullshit. In the end they wish us all to buy into the fantasy that the universe and this planet are 6 thousand years old which we really knew could not have been the case three thousand years ago and before.

Silliness.

Good blog. But Icky, you already know I hate these people. hahahahahaah

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Hey, I am looking forward to the video but just wanted to let you know that in order to see it or comment I need to reopen tpm in firefox because in IE I get to where the video is and there's no video and nothing below it. Probably cuts down on your views and recs....

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That said, the banana video is worth the trouble of going to firefox to watch. Just breathtaking on so many levels.

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Is this a common problem for those of us who use Firefox?

What do I do to remedy this?

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I just gave up Icky. Sometimes those using Macs or even IE will not see, what I see on the screen. So what I do is just link it and forget the embedding.

But that is just me. Even people around here who know what they are doing lose some readers from what I see.

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It's actually a problem for those who use Internet Explorer--the embedded videos don't show, and neither does anything below where the video is.

I'm trying to train myself to just use Firefox when I read TPM but old habits die hard.

I think the solution is to just link to the video rather than embedding it. Then people who use Internet Explorer (and others) can choose to use the link or continue reading.

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Ya..creationism before they are born but social Darwinism afterwards.

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So, if I just do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

Does that work?


(Worst case, people can copy the link above, and paste it in the URL of another window or tab)

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Yes, I think it will.

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I think Kirk Cameron is doing a tremendous service. His organization is handing out free copies of Darwin's seminal work, and the only change is an added introduction by a known looney tune. College students who read introductions are rare. That being said, Mr. Cameron is reintroducing the time-tested scientifically sound literature of Darwin to the masses.

YAY

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Also:

There is an easy way for conservatives to remove liberalism from the Bible:

Redact the Gospels.

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A project at which the Christian Fundamentalists are already beavering away. There's lots of talk about creating a new, closer connection between Christianity and the Old Testament, which is filled with plenty of nice authoritarianism and male domination. This focus also helps create a closer connection with Our Jewish Friends, the Israelis, to whom we can sell weapons until the rapture arrives.

To sum up: Jesus died for your sins, which are clearly laid out in the old testament. That nonsense about turning the other cheek, loving sinners and paying God instead of Caesar either doesn't mean what you think it means or was snuck in later by early Liberal Communists.

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Cameron is using what a group of researchers call Motivated reasoning. In motivated reasoning a person starts out with the conclusion they want, then collect evidence to support it.

It's sort of like how most of us buy a car. We go look at cars on the lot, decide which one we like, then spend the next two weeks finding evidence to justify that choice. (Most of us also buy the car that first day on the lot, so we have a big motivation to justify the decision.) Any good car salesman who is honest will confirm this is how we buy cars for the most part.

The problem comes in the data collection stage. Counter evidence to what we believe can cause cognitive dissonance. There's two ways to deal with that cognitive dissonance. First we can change our conclusion to match the new evidence. That becomes very hard to do if you have already bought the car, or are already publicly committed to the original conclusion. If the conclusion is either religious or political ideology and you have been induced to publicly testify to your beliefs, then you are going to look for plan "B".

Plan "B" is to ignore or publicly attack the counter evidence to what you have testified to. The more you do that, then the more you become committed to the original conclusion that you started out to defend.

It's my opinion that this psychological mechanism explains both evangelical religion and the conservative movement. It's an emotionally-driven motivation to avoid, ignore, and even attack evidence that runs counter to what you want to be true. It's also group-oriented. It's a meme that is spread like a virus because of contact with others. It's not based on misinformation or lack of access to true data. It's a socially-driven psychological reason both to avoid or attack the evidence that you find uncomfortable because of the cognitive dissonance it causes and it in fact motivates those who hold the threatened conclusion to go out and try to convert others to hold the same conclusion because that provides comfort and reason to ignore the counter evidence.

Those of us not infected by the meme can see the definition of scientific reasoning and be puzzled that anyone could fail to understand what it means. For those who are infected by the meme, that definition is just another form of counter evidence that threatens what they "know" to be true. Because of the cognitive dissonance it creates, they have to attack science.

Cameron's right, though. Anyone who survives to get a liberal college eduction has to some extent learned to understand the flaws in "Motivated Reasoning." Want to guess why Cameron attacks liberal college education?

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