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Grow up and put Sen. Lieberman to good use


It seems like a growing mob of democrats are screaming for Sen. Lieberman's head on a silver plate. This vindictive feud is of course the result of the figurative stab in the back that democrats feel his election behavior amounted to. It is high time for the new democratic mandate to practice what they preached with righteous conviction during the election. Bipartisanship and reaching across the isle is tossed around every election cycle but usually dismissed when you end up on the right side of the isle. You might consider Lieberman to be the epitome of the sleazy self-serving politician and I would be inclined to agree. The important thing to acknowledge is that this insight is of little relevance. He is a sitting senator and America has, honest to god,  real humongous problems to deal with. Time to grow up and realize that every vote in the senate should be courted with frantic zeal, especially those that aren't already under the democratic umbrella.

I think, and hope, that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is aware of this. I fear that he will be labeled spineless for welcoming Lieberman back into the democratic caucus. Say what you will about Reid but he has shown himself to be a pragmatist, a good trait when it comes down to senate business. Reid, Pelosi and the democratic congress at large proved to be lacking as opposition to a strong president and republican party but I think their willingness to back down will serve them well as the party in charge. The democrats are now in a position to get their agenda through but you still need to play the game. Nothing good will come out of kicking Lieberman to the curb in the spirit of vengeance.

There are valid reasons to boot Lieberman though. It could be useful for future reference to publicly display that the democratic party won't be played a fool. The democrats will have to weigh if it is important enough to make an example out of Lieberman to keep other votes from going rogue in contrast to the importance Lieberman's own vote could be to critical issues. Personally, I think stripping him of his chairmanship will have few positive consequences and will probably cause the republicans to dig in and man their trenches in preparation for a partisan congress.

In a democratic society, the time to strike with the iron fist comes when the gutless senator from Connecticut is up for re-election. Throw him out in true democratic fashion and let the actual congress rise above high school food fights. The last 8 years is damming proof of what a bickering congress can accomplish. The democrats are probably strong enough to drive home some important changes with the republican party on ignore. But if they want to take on the really tough issues, bipartisanship will have to be more then a nice word that is exploited to get elected.



 



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Your post and thoughts reveal a basic lack of understanding of politics and represent a naive approach to a very serious problem. To ignore Lieberman's behavior and actions in how he labled our president as dangerous, reckless and a threat to our security is to accept politics as usual. He certainly can say and do what he wants but he must be accountable for these actions. Period. No qualms, guilt or regrets. It's just bye Joe and he has no future leadership role with the democrts in the Senate. To say the democrats need Joe Lieberman is to cater to the sicken mind of his and Bushies. To compare his behavior and deeds to a high school food fight reveals your rather immature high school view of the real world. Grow Up, Dude!

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I understand what you're getting at and to some extent I agree with you, but I think a few of your thoughts are a bit out of line with the reality of the situation.

Working backwards, you pointed out that the time to deal with Lieberman is during the election... Only true to the extent that the people of the state of Connecticut are the only arbiters of Senator Lieberman's fate. And that's just not true. After all, Joe was a Democrat until a few years ago when he ran in and lost a Democratic Primary. When Connecticut's Democrats spoke their minds through the system available to them, Joe didn't like the answer and adjusted accordingly. He opted to run as an Independent in the general election and accepted the comfort and support of Republicans along the way. He was democratically elected by the people of Connecticut and he serves as their representative, but that doesn't mean that he earned the right to caucus with Senate Dems or to serve as a Committee Chair. He left the Democratic Party and endorsed the Republican Nominee for President! Technically speaking, he doesn't deserve to be a Committee Chair on the grounds that his party isn't in power in the Senate. Short of attempted expulsion (which no one has suggested he deserves), he really doesn't have any room to complain about whatever happens to him. Our actions have consequences.

"Personally, I think stripping him of his chairmanship will have few positive consequences and will probably cause the republicans to dig in and man their trenches in preparation for a partisan congress."

They're going to do this anyway. That is what makes them "more effective" as an opposition party than Democrats will ever be. Setting aside the few GOP moderates left in Congress, the folks that are left have no qualms about being downright obstructionist, and if the media is unwilling to call their tactics a filibuster by name, it is up to the Dem Leadership to spotlight this behavior. But make no mistake about it, if you look at the leadership transition taking place in the GOP right now, their response to the election is to move further to the right. They'll kick and scream and cry "partisanship" from here to January 20th, and then spend the next 4 years calling Barack Obama a hypocrit and a typical politician. They're writing his legacy right now: Empty promises. Naive. False hope. Status quo. Changed by Washington. It will be up to Senator Obama and the Dem leadership to get things done and deliver. It will be up to his supporters to mobilize and be vocal in supporting that change. Allowing Lieberman or the GOP to hold us hostage with threats of crying Partisanship is a foolish trap. Obama could achieve every single goal he ever set out and the talking points on the right won't change. Good governance that gets results is the only shield against them.


"He is a sitting senator and America has, honest to god, real humongous problems to deal with. Time to grow up and realize that every vote in the senate should be courted with frantic zeal, especially those that aren't already under the democratic umbrella."

There is something to be said for the lost art of creating a good agenda, drafting coherent legislation to support it, and making a case directly to the American people. I agree that our challenges are daunting. I agree that it will take some hard work and some strenuous effort and some compromise and some bending over backwards to make it happen in the current political climate. But if Barack Obama or Harry Reid has to spend the next four years kissing Joe Lieberman's ass to get enough votes to pass a bill or to invoke cloture, what the hell were the last two years about? What happened on Tuesday? What does any of it mean? If Joe Lieberman has any commitment to (upper AND lower-case D) democratic ideals, he will support the policies he believes in, vigorously oppose the ones he doesn't believe in, and let the chips fall where they may. But he made the choices he made for a reason. Either he thought John McCain was the best person for the job, or he thought McCain was the most likely to get elected. Maybe both. But either way, he went beyond voting for McCain, beyond supporting him, beyond endorsing him, all the way to directly attacking Barack Obama, speaking at the GOP convention, and campaigning for McCain and down-ticket Republicans. When you add that to the fact that he set aside the will of his Democratic constituents in the service to his own interests, I don't think the man has any room to do anything but take his medicine. Life cannot be lived without consequences.

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"This vindictive feud is of course the result of the figurative stab in the back that democrats feel his election behavior amounted to. " Which is exactly what it was. I don't think that it would have been good to keep Benedict Arnold in war councils, either.

The Dems should ostentatiously and very publicly try bipartisanship a couple of times and then go ahead and do the will of the people by steamrolling right over the Republicans after they start the bullshit obstructionism that they are famous for in the last 2 years. Voting against cloture 126 times (which was a new record in the Senate, by the way). The Democrats need to showcase the obstructionism of the Republicans, and defeat it, as often as possible. Keeping Joe Lieberman around means that they can't talk strategy where they want to, when they need to; chuck the bum out.

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My initial post may have left a few question marks on the table as to how I see the future of Lieberman in the senate. I am by no means advocating that the democratic majority submit itself to the mercy of Lieberman or the republican party. In fact, the democrats have a golden opportunity to not have to water down their legislation by some "middle of the road" compromise that does little in terms of problem-solving.

"Your post and thoughts reveal a basic lack of understanding of politics and represent a naive approach to a very serious problem. To ignore Lieberman's behavior and actions in how he labled our president as dangerous, reckless and a threat to our security is to accept politics as usual. He certainly can say and do what he wants but he must be accountable for these actions."

Pick your damn battles. He has no leverage as it is. If he doesn't want to play ball on something, cut him loose and get the votes you need somewhere else. But there is no reason to go on some righteous crusade against him just out of spite and pride. The fact that you consider Lieberman a serious problem negates any condescending nonsense you threw my way. Your inflated indignation at something that has been apart of the political process (even though it by no means should) speaks for itself.

What do you gain from shaming Lieberman for his obnoxious and insulting comments? I guess you set an example that such behavior is unacceptable under the democratic standard. I am myself not sure whether such a statement is worth going after Lieberman for. Maybe it is, but it is downright stupid to do it on the grounds of reclaiming lost pride or whatever.

Again, I am in no way saying that Lieberman should get any influence in the senate apart from what he already has with his one vote. It is foolish to throw that vote away if all you gain in return is some fleeting feeling of having been avenged. Now I, as the commentator above said, would hope that Lieberman votes for what is right without care for his own status but he has shown himself to be rather gutless.

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"Senator Lieberman's preference is to stay in the caucus, but he's going to keep all his options open. McConnell has reached out to him and at this stage his position is he wants to remain in the caucus but losing the chairmanship is unacceptable."

By virtue of being overly confrontational, I would say Lieberman has given the democrats no other option but to follow through with "demoting" him. This pretty much throws my previous arguments out the window since I thought he at least had the decency to play humble. I think this will prove to be a good test for how Reid really stands up to bullying now that the political landscape has changed.

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He should lose his position as Chairman of that
committee but offered a less important one. Put another way, there should be a consequence for his behavior but not driven from party. If he decides for himself to cross the aisle so be it. But if he wants to stay and behaves himself there should be a pathway back to his former level.

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Yea, I think Lieberman is doing the democrats a service as he continues to openly display his sense of self-entitlement. Strip him of his chairmanship and let him take the next step. He, understandably for a Connecticut senator, appears reluctant to join the republican caucus.

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Do we really need a paperweight that size?

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It doesn't seem like the smart option to close the door when it costs you nothing to keep it open.

To me at least, he has already lost his paperweight-status by the new senate composition. The democrats have no obligation to listen to him unless they actually think he has something worthwhile to say. This was not the case before the election where Lieberman stood out as a potential tie-breaker on critical issues. But his vote is still worth as much as the rest of them and shouldn't be tossed away so lightly.

That said, he's pretty much playing chicken with his chairmanship and I think there is a loss to the strength of the democratic caucus if they back down on taking that away.

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Lieberman wants to stay in the Democratic caucus so he can get re-elected. Connecticut won't vote for him if he caucuses with the Republicans. He knows that.

Clinging to the chairmanship is partly about his own ego but it's also about showing the folks back home that he has power so they'll vote for him. If he can get the Dems in Congress to forgive his defection, maybe the folks back home will forgive him too.

If he wants back in the party, he should bend over and take his spanking. He's acting like a spoiled child, holding his breath until he gets his own way. If you give in to him this time, it'll only get worse.

Yank his chairmanship, kick him out of the caucus, and let Connecticut elect a real Democrat next time.


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Personally, I think stripping him of his chairmanship will have few positive consequences

So his complete refusal to do any oversight as the committee chairman doesn't count against him? He runs the committe like heckuvajob Brownie ran FEMA.

and will probably cause the republicans to dig in and man their trenches in preparation for a partisan congress.

Erik, everything causes the republicans to dig an and man their trenches. That's pretty much the definition of the social-conservative movement. The same one that controls most of the GOP.

I had a different thought. The Democratic party needs to make Lieberman their bitch. At this point, if they want him, they own him. The only good Lieberman can do is acting exactly according to the wishes of Pelosi and Reid. He steps out of line and his usefulness vanishes. His usefulness vanishes and his chairmanship and caucusing leverage vanish. Since Joe's first concern is Joe, Joe should not step out of line.

Of course all this is moot if they don't make it to 59 votes. If he's the 60th vote, he's our bitch. If not, no need to hold onto him. See about getting Collins to vote for cloture. Maybe reward her with a plum committee assignment?

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The normal course for Lieberman would be to vote his personal preferences. On defense and foreign affairs conservative but not more so that the hard line wing of the democrats; on domestic affairs fairly liberal, more so than all but the most liberal Republicans.

We can't change that.Out of 'integrity" or other less attractive explanations no combination of incentives or penalties will cause him to vary that vote to help the Democrats.

But that doesn't work both ways. If he feels dissed that might cause him to vote against his conviction and move right.

So punishing him has a cost.

That's not to say that we should now roll over and treat him as favorably as his peers who were loyal to the party in some cases at a risk to their own careers. As I wrote above actions must have consequences :his own actions must have a cost.

The key is to be completely clear about what we're doing and why. The goal is accountability not revenge. Sanction him but also offer a olden bridge so he can rejoin the caucus.

If he wishes.

If he doesn't, so be it.But let that be his choice not ours.

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