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History Will Teach Us Nothing


Before the election last year, i kept repeating a statement to everyone who would listen (which, in fairness, was about 3 people). The statement was this: A lot of the people clamoring for an Obama presidency are deluding themselves by thinking that once elected he would fix "everything"; they don't seem to get that after the election, that is when the real struggle will begin.

(Well okay it was two statements and a comma splice. whatever).

But now that my private pronouncement seems to have been born out, i feel like i can publicly congratulate myself and accept the accolades i so richly deserve for my courageous pronouncement and unique insight.  At the moment, i'm throwing a ticker tape parade for myself with the trash on my desk.

Now we are beyond the elections, the tears and the cries of betrayal have begun.  It turns out they would rather vote for a Republican next time, or leave the party.  After all, they had sacrificed so much by taking time out of their busy lives to stand in line to vote, and it turns out things hadn't changed how'd they like.  Voting clearly doesn't work.

Bill Moyers [Bill Moyers Journal, 2008/01/18] tells this story about MLK meeting with LBJ during the struggle to enact the Civil Rights Act:
  
As the pressure intensified on each side, Johnson wanted King to wait a little longer [ie, call off the demonstrations, protests, and marches] and give him a chance to bring Congress around by hook or crook.  But Martin Luther King said his people had already waited too long. He talked about the murders and lynchings, the churches set on fire, children brutalized, the law defied, men and women humiliated, their lives exhausted, their hearts broken.  LBJ listened, as intently as I ever saw him listen.  He listened, and then he put his hand on Martin Luther King's shoulder, and said, in effect: "OK. You go out there Dr. King and keep doing what you're doing, and make it possible for me to do the right thing."

There are a few lessons that might be drawn from this, but i won't belabor the point:  I have my adoring fans to attend to and missed opportunities to regret.



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The Obama campaign was about getting actively involved in rebuilding society, so why be surprised that he will not fix everything on his own. I think he has been saying this as strongly as he can within the realm of acceptable discussion in US politics.

He said he was the only thing between the mob and AIG did he not. Make it true for the medical insurance companies, for the private prison industries, for the drug war profiteers, for the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, for all the crooks on Wall street, or expect very minimal change from a man who`s hands are tied without an angry mob to threaten the powers that be.

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We need to keep reinforcing the tenet of your message - too many 'stopped' their activism the day after the election.

It's up to us, We, the People, to work with him and for those issues we supported then and still do today! He can't do it without us and 'we' need him as much as he needs us!

Thanks for very good post.

Rec'd.

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So basically what your getting at, policies aren't changed just solely by elections. It helps and it starts it but the change begins by people fighting and hitting the streets screaming what they want done. It's about the fight as well, is that what your post is about. I'm sorry Here is this sounds like a stupid question, I just want you to clearify it for me.

And yes Athabasca, he did say to AIG the only thing separating them from the mob was him. I'm not sure but I think he mentioned the word pitchforks as well.

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Definitely something along those lines, i think.

I am always struck by Moyers' passage when i think of it. It seems vast and profound. Maybe it is the hint of the intensity of MLK, or the feeling that at one time, history, now so momentous, was the present being played out, tenuous and uncertain.

(Now, i will go all MoDo on you, and copy and paste your ideas without attribution. i iz gud pundit...Opinynating izz ... e z !)

Thanks for reading.

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Hitting the streets and screaming? Yeah, that'll do great things.

More like keep up the constant pressure on elected representatives, keep up the pressure on state legislators, and get out and vote.

The last time demonstrations were effective instruments of policy change was the time of MLK. Since then, not.

And when you try to tell me "They stopped the Vietnam War!" my reply is that seeing American kids bleeding on TV during the dinner hour was what turned many more middle Americans against the war than all the protest signs in every city in the country. That and the gold star flags proliferating in windows in every city and town.

The streets are not where this battle is being fought. And there are very few decisive battles. (Another lesson we fail to learn from history and experience.)

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I agree with your point on decisive battles. I am always surprised reading history at how flawed the great leaders were and how many engagements great generals lost. On some level, i guess one wants it to be like on TV or movies, where the Death Star blows up at the end or something.

With respect to your other point, why do you think the effectiveness of protest movements waned in the US? Marginalization by media? Negative characterizations of protesters? Collective boredom?

In France i hear they still like a good traffic stopping, tire-burning, euro-disney closing protest. The various peaceful revolutions in eastern Europe also seemed to have been protest movements. I find myself agreeing with your point though. At least we have the Innertubes.

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I think protesters have marginalized themselves.

Chants of "hey hey, ho ho, (something or other) has got to go" and such, a diffusion of focus during the marches, and the fact that most people never really cared about much beyond the marches of the Civil Rights Movement (which ultimately won the day because most Americans agreed with them on principle, not because they marched). Again, Vietnam was stopped by Middle America withdrawing its support out of frustration. The marchers didn't change people's minds about Vietnam, reality did.

When they are not "demonstrations" in the real, factual sense of the word, showing the real state of mind of the people, but rather simply loud groups of advocates, their effectiveness diminishes rapidly.

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Now here's a couple of dumb questions...How come people need people to FORCE them to do the right thing? Why can't they just do it because it is the right thing to do?

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That`s because there is nothing really transparent about the real workings of government.

Lobbying is transparent enough of a huge influence as to why the right thing can`t be done, but I think the root of that problem is that in the US, everyone is always running for re-election and can`t make any progression on issues with vested interests backing them up.

They need those lobbyists money to get re elected.

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"..., but I think the root of that problem is that in the US, ..."

US politics always seems cartoonish, but i'm not sure it has ever worked like that in *any* country.

We have no reason to expect politicians to do the "right thing." Politics and democracy don't work like that. Sometimes, civics class gives you the feeling that maybe it should work that way, but history i think speaks unequivocally differently.

Thanks for reading.

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Because doing nothing is just so easy. Keep your head down and watch the dollars roll in.

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I have been asking myself that question for years, if you have any answers I'd love to read them.

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Ya got me, girl...seems like such a simple concept!

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"How come people need people to FORCE them to do the right thing? Why can't they just do it because it is the right thing to do?"

Why are there addicts and neurotics in the world?

But if you think of Obama not as a leader forcing us to follow but as a symbolic point of focus through which to channel public energy, that might be a more progressive frame of reference.

His campaign did tell us that we would need to push him...

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At least LBJ wanted to do the right thing.

Nobody forced Obama to adopt Bush's entire authoritarian set of policies on the "war on terror" which ought to be named the war on the Constitution. Obama has gone out of his way to embrace, reinforce, and expand the most egregious and worst things about the Bush years. It is appalling. So the analogy with LBJ is particularly inapt. LBJ wasn't running around adopting segregationist policies and then saying "make me do the right thing." He was trying to pass the very things MLK was working for, he was just asking for more time. Obama deceived his supporters about being for the rule of law, transparency and open government. It's just that simple. He may say he is for those things, but you can't do what he has done and claim you are for those things and expect any but the most gullible to buy that swill.

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oleeb, what you say is true.

so everyone should basically go MLK on Washington and demand some accountability from this campaign. That`s what is strange about Obama, the rhetoric being so far away from the actions, but maybe that is just how strange of times these are, and we have to start somewhere.

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A comparison of LBJ and Obama wasn't my intent, and i agree it is not apt. Obama doesn't figure into this.

I think only that there might be a misunderstanding about how social change happens. Look at how long LBJ was president compared to how long the Civil Rights struggle is taking (!!).

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Yes, social movement push politicians to act, but the key point here is whether you have politicians who fundamentally are on your side or who are blowing smoke up your ass. LBJ was the former, Obama is the latter and I base that assessment on his actions vs his words.

Any attempt by Obama to say he remains on the side of the rule of law, open government and transparency, without fundamentally reversing the course he has chosen, is nothing but a lie. In your example, LBJ was completely in concert with King on the legislation and, I think sincere. Obama has completely reversed his position on rule of law, etc... to fail to admit this is to be in denial of the plain and obvious truth.

How does a social movement get a poltician who works against their goals to act properly? All they can hope for in that sort of event is to modify the bad actions and decisions. Being unable to do much about politicians in opposition, social movements are left only to work to vote them out. We all thought that is what we did last November.

Now our candidate for rule of law, etc... endorses undermining it, endorses authoritarian and illegal domestic spying on innocent citizens, helps to cover up criminal actions by those in civilian government and in the military and thereby makes himself also guilty of war crimes by covering them up. Not good. And there's little hope for change in a "leader" who so easily and casually blows off some of those who were strongest and earliest in support of his candidacy.

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I think so yes.

Howard Zinn wrote a great column prior to the election. He talked about how he was voting for Obama and he put that vote in perspective. He said of course one votes for Obama because he is better than the alternative just as one would have voted for FDR over Hoover. But, he reminded readers, FDR had to be pushed into action by radical demands being made upon him and pressure to act being put upon him. I think this is true with Obama and perhaps more true because frankly, I think FDR understood what terrible shape the country was in. I do not think Obama understands at all how bad a shape we are in and how our common people are hurting. He is a creature of the status quo and has been insulated for a long time from the realities of life for us little people. Until he sees the rage in action I think he will continue to think he can get away with the BS he's been peddling that last two months on Bush's policies of secrecy, torture and the like. I also think that's what it will take before he realizes more lip service about covering most people and then hopping in bed with the insurance parasites is not going to be satisfactory. Obama is a product of his political environment and that is Washington DC. He is a prototypical DLC politician which means he sees servcing the corporate interests and the interests of the powerful as job one. The people are an almost theoretical group because they aren't present at the negotiating lunches paid for by the lobbyists, etc...

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Last week, as my fellows were sheltered beneath a leaky roof hiding from a long and dreary storm, excited for a sunny day; I pointed out that the sun would simply be hot and at times make them uncomfortable. But would they listen? No! They just blathered on about warmth-this and dryness-that. Like a bunch of chicken-heads!

Well, they got what they wanted! The sun came out. And now everyone is all talking about sun-block and UV resistant sunglasses and such. Some sun!! It's just making people SWEAT as they work to fix that roof! And just last week, everyone was talking about how GOOD it would be!

Now that my private pronouncement seems to have been born out, [I] feel like [I] can publicly congratulate myself and accept the accolades [I] so richly deserve for my courageous pronouncement and unique insight. At the moment, [I]'m throwing a ticker tape parade for myself with the trash on my desk.

Oddly, I have yet to hear someone longing for a return of the storm. I won't belabor the point, I have an adoring fuzzy cat to attend to and warm bed I regret being away from.

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Jolly right good show, sir! Perhaps we can make a MadLibs: Pundit Edition.

But i mean, Dam! it's hot out there!

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LOL. ;)

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Like a bunch of chicken-heads!

What?

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I think it's a Philip K. Dick reference from "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

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It was never going to be an overnight transition as long as 99% of the government stayed the same.

I am a little disappointed that Obama hasn't really rocked the boat much with regards to his choices for the cabinet. Many of the same Clinton-era DLC types are in charge and the "solutions" they have offered are hardly innovative. Barack missed his first real opportunity to change the game by leaving the rules of the game essentially unchanged.

At the end of the day, though, absent bold leadership at the top, we are left with the ballot box as our only alternative. We are left with 18-percent average turnout for primary elections and 96% of all incumbents being reelected without a challenge. We are left to our own devices at a time when most people :don't do politics" as if it were a choice.

I am not sure how Obama envisioned the grassroots "forcing" him to change anything when most of the people in this country don't vote for anything on a regular basis except for the next American Idol.

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I agree with you on the new old Clinton people. Although i didn't care all that much about whether HRC or Obama got the nod, i did feel HRC was more apart of the DLC machine. But i guess, we got that anyway.

I was never a fan of Bill Clinton's administration for a number of reasons. But i've come to appreciate it a bit more these days.

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I don't know if we got that, but I am a fan of both administrations, so these days I don't long for the days of the Clinton Administration because I like what I see now as well. But your right, if we want anything we got to go out and fight to the death for it.

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Thank you SO MUCH FOR THE STRAWMAN!!! That really helps to further debate!! It is so simple isn't it, that those who are severely disappointed in what Obama has and hasn't done MUST be wishing that they've voted for McCain.

And anyone who pretends to be even remotely concerned about Torture should READ this article, right to the very end, to understand that Torture is STILL going on at Gitmo, now under the aegis of Obama. Torture that he could have simply STOPPED with an Executive Order immediately on day 1. It is NOT too much to ask of The ONE!! These are now Obama Thugs abusing prisoners at Git mo:

http://original.antiwar.com/scahill/2009/05/16/obama-thug-squad-brutalizing-prisoners-at-gitmo/

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"Thank you SO MUCH FOR THE STRAWMAN!!! That really helps to further debate!! It is so simple isn't it, that those who are severely disappointed in what Obama has and hasn't done MUST be wishing that they've voted for McCain.
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This is not a strawman: i watch people talking like this on various forums. It clearly doesn't apply to everyone (not even close). I'm not trying to defend Obama. (The only reason i'm not disappointed is because i had no expectations: i don't believe in people (in the sense of pinning hopes to them, or being a groupie...and i'm not saying you are a groupie either just so we're clear)).

One of the things i got from the quoted passage was that the things being fought for are so important they must be fought for by us at every turn, not just at the elections, not until we are disappointed, not just for 10 or 20 or 30 years, but until we change them.

Many people are doing just that; i wish to encourage more.

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Why are the abuses STILL going on, and even "ramped up"?? And after issuing the Executive Order to close Gitmo, why hasn't the torture stopped, and why isn't this important enough for Obama to see to its implementation? Why is Spain the only HOPE of Gitmo detainees to force an end to the abuses?? Why is it UNREASONABLE of us to hold Obama to his words and demand that a crime be STOPPED??

Since a lot of the video tapes have been destroyed, the only tangible physical evidence left is the photographs apart from witnesses. Why should they not be released??

"Less than two weeks later, on Jan. 22, newly inaugurated President Obama issued an executive order requiring the closure of Guantánamo within a year and also ordered a review of the status of the prisoners held there, requiring "humane standards of confinement" in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

But one month later, the Center for Constitutional Rights released a report titled "Conditions of Confinement at Guantánamo: Still In Violation of the Law," which found that abuses continued. In fact, one Guantanamo lawyer, Ahmed Ghappour, said that his clients were reporting "a ramping up in abuse" since Obama was elected, including "beatings, the dislocation of limbs, spraying of pepper spray into closed cells, applying pepper spray to toilet paper and over-force feeding detainees who are on hunger strike," according to Reuters."

"As the abuse continues at Guantánamo, and powerful congressional leaders from both parties and the White House fiercely resist the appointment of an independent special prosecutor, the sad fact is that the best chance for justice for the victims of U.S. Torture may well be an ocean away in Madrid, Spain.

"The Obama administration should not need pressure from abroad to uphold our own laws and initiate a criminal investigation in the U.S.," says Vince Warren, CCR’s executive director. "I hope the Spanish cases will impress on the president and Attorney General Eric Holder how seriously the rest of the world takes these crimes and show them the issue will not go away."

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Agreed!

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Seconded.

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And here, the Jeremy Scahill's interview transcripts with Amy Goodman about the Thug Squad STILL torturing detainees at Gitmo, and the "changes" brought to the military tribunals that are decried as "cosmetic":

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/jeremy_scahill_little_known_military_thug


"But what we see at every turn is the Obama administration, backed up by the Wall Street Journal editorial board, backed up by the neoconservatives, backed up by the hawkish Republicans, on one side, and then the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, and social justice and antiwar activists and human rights advocates, on the other side. This is a sad reality in America today, where you have a president that campaigned on a change that we can believe in continuing the most repressive policies of the Bush administration."

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I do love Sting.

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I was surprised it took this long for a Sting shout-out!

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