The Merry Marginalizers vs. Getting Results: MSM, Code Pink, and the Center
Over a century ago, Sen. Carl Schurz said (my emphasis):
I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: Our country, right or wrong! They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: Our countrywhen right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.
In the current situation, the wrong to be put right is the Constitutional contempt of the Bush Administration. Thinking back to the Nixon resignation, as I listened to Ford being sworn in, I mused on the irony that I was driving past the Watergate.
Just after swearing in the new President, some microphones caught Chief Justice Burger muttering, "It worked. The system worked." Regardless of the views of activists on both extremes, it is my belief that a great number of Americans do trust the system to put things right.
On Friday, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform took testimony related to the violations, centered around White House and OVP activity, of national security in the matter of the CIA employment of Valerie Plame Wilson. As Chairman Waxman put it, the job of the committee is not to determine criminality, but to identify what went wrong and how to correct it. A first step in determining criminality already took place with Scooter Libby. It may well be that the eventual findings of these hearings may well recognize that, especially, the Vice President committed impeachable activities.
Impeachment is the thermonuclear weapon of American politics. It is far more drastic than a Vote of Confidence in a parliamentary democracy. IMHO, it should be reserved for offenses uniquely made possible by the nature of the office, which was not the case with the Clinton impeachment -- which failed to convict. That Articles of Impeachment were about to be voted out of the Judiciary Committee was enough to have Richard Nixon resign.
In the Watergate affair, it took multiple hearings, as well as criminal proceedings, to build the ironclad case for impeachment. Those hearings, those investigations, were unquestionably within the system. They built a consensus in the Congress and with the electorate, brick by brick. It was never possible, in any of the impeachment hearings going back to 1789, to "impeach now". The process, sometimes more and sometimes less, involved procedural safeguards.
In the hearing and afterwards, I have seen at least three examples of how the process was trivialized. While the Washington Post did report the facts, I am disgusted with Mary Ann Akers' blog:
Forget about her testimony. Let's talk about the fashion statement Valerie Plame made today when she went before Congress.
Most responders to the blog, appropriately, blasted the inappropriate sexism and general trivialization of the CIA operations officer. Yes, she is an attractive, well-dressed woman. What does that have to do with the substance of the matter?
Next, I am disgusted with Midge Potts of Code Pink, who constantly moved, at the back of the hearing room, so that her pink T-shirt emblazoned "Impeach Bush Now", was in virtually every frame of other than tightly focused video of Valerie Plame Wilson. The hearing was about the national security implications of actions taking place in the White House, that may well be key bricks of a foundation of impeachment, or Nixonian resignation.
Did Potts and her cohorts believe that Waxman would suddenly order the committee, regardless of its authority, to report out Articles of Impeachment? Did Potts and her cohorts think that a T-shirted slogan would better help build consensus than a serious inquiry?
Yet another aspect of trivialization came with the kiss of death of being taken seriously by CNN: Jeannie Moss did a feature on Code Pink activists' intruding into hearings to get coverage of their impeachment message. Jeannie Moss' reporting tends to label its subject as material for humor and the appeal of geek shows, not serious reporting and discussion.
It's been hard enough to get the Republican majority voted out, and a Democratic effort to, to try, as Schurz put it, to put our country right. Administration political operatives will take every opportunity to trivialize those attempts, when those attempts reveal Constitutional and ethical failings of Bush, Cheney, and those they appointed and supervised.
The nation does not need trivialization in healing a wound. It does not need trivialization whether from Karl Rove, Code Pink, Dick Cheney, Glenn Beck, Jeannie Moss, Ann Coulter, or Mary Ann Akers. Code Pink may reinforce the view of activists that want what they want now, rather than the large number of Americans that will want due process and full disclosure.





NYT, Dec 17, 1973 (PDF, available through TimesSelect archive):
Not the same as a House proceeding, but perhaps trivialized the nature of the ceremonies that day. Enough that the militia walked out. Certainly quite a stunt. Other protests around the country were also held.
And Nixon did resign.
I wonder (and this is really my point) if there were any protests at the Nixon hearings? Too young for me to remember -- does anyone know?
Is the problem here protest in general, or that particular protest in that particular manner?
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Going back to Watergate days, I remember American Nazi Party members leafletting at the corner of Wisconsin and M, in the heart of DC's Georgetown area. I rather welcomed the opportunity to confront them, and play with their little minds.
It never occurred to me that they didn't have a right of protest on a public sidewalk. I rather welcomed that, because it let me make public fools of them. If Code Pink wanted to leaflet, or do guerilla theater as long as it didn't block the sidewalk, I'm fine with that.
Free speech doesn't mean that someone can walk into my house and yell at me. Free speech doesn't mean that the spectators in a courtroom get to cheer for their preferred side. Free speech doesn't mean that people opposed to theology of a given church get to disrupt services.
Some of those examples, such as blocking a sidewalk or interrupting a church service, might be examples of civil disobedience, if the demonstrators were willing to take the consequences of arrest, as did MLK's demonstrators.
Going back to my courtroom example, a judicial proceeding is one example of an essential part of the democratic process, which is tightly controlled so specific rules and process take place. A Congressional hearing is, to me, equivalent. Disrupting the courtroom or the hearing, or yelling from the galleries above a session of the House or Senate, is disrupting the workings of democracy.
My problem is with protest that disrupts an ongoing, legitimate official part of the democratic process. I'm not crazy about protests that disrupt something like a partisan speech or a political convention, but I will cut a bit more slack there. Protest in public is fine as long as it doesn't become a hazard.
There were plenty of anti-Nixon demonstrations in the streets of DC and elsewhere, but I can't remember any protest group, say, interrupting the Ervin Committee (i.e., the Watergate-focused Senate Select Committee to Investigate Campaign Practices) or the House Judiciary Committee hearings on impeachment. The closest I can remember was when G. Gordon Liddy was asked if he swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and he answered "No."
Are you seriously suggesting that the street protests had more of an impact on Nixon resigning than the Congressional investigation, the Special Prosecutor, or investigative journalism?
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 17, 2007 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
cscs said:
Yes there were ... almost everyday. The security were kept quite busy. No matter what huff and puff and blow says...~OGD~
March 18, 2007 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right you are OGD. Maybe cscs will want to check out the protests surrounding the Saturday Night Massacre. Another blast from the past: Anti-war protesters echo Vietnam.
Best,
Ticia
March 18, 2007 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had the same reaction to the pink T-shirt character . It's not about whether one agrees with the statements someone is shouting or displaying inappropriately, it's about respecting the process. After all, what has upset most of us during most of the Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress is the flagrant disrespect for process at every turn. Quite apart from the endless witless comments of media yahoos.
There's a wonderful/outrageous response here to the Committee's Plame moments. God knows I'm not trying to pump up traffic at his/her blog, but speaking of something being built by (in this case) throwing brick after brick... You'll be rewarded by finding out precisely who outed Valerie Wilson. Uh-huh... really..!
March 17, 2007 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Here is a process, in action, that may well lead to exactly what Code Pink is demanding. Code Pink, however, shows as much disrespect for the process as does Karl Rove. I have cats that have more patience in waiting for wet disgusting cat food.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 18, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Many wish to make a strong statement. Some are in groups. One group found a legal, effective way to make a statement directly to everyone in this country that pays any attention to the news. It did not seem to disrupt anything about the process of the investigation. Tear gas was not needed to maintain control. I strongly endorse the message.
Bush could have been investigated on day one and found guilty. It's been six years of Bush being guilty of high crimes, misdemeanors, and being a clown. Screw patience.
March 18, 2007 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, there were insufficient people in the "many" to overturn the Republican majority until 2006. Does the "many" yet include a sufficient national consensus for the House to impeach and the Senate remove from office?
I suggest you check the House rules and applicable statutes. Would this protest have been legal in a courtroom? Could the judge have tossed a pink-shirted protester out of the courtroom, or even ruled contempt?
I suspect you will find that very similar rules apply to the Capitol and its office buildings. Public speech there is meant to be through the elected representatives of the republic; it is not do-it-yourself any more than there are cheering sections in courtrooms.
How do you know it was effective? Will we see Articles of Impeachment introduced today? Did Code Pink and friends even prepare an acceptable draft?
Is the public, not "many" activists, ready for impeachment? I remember the Nixon process quite well, and it took a "third-rate burglary", Watergate, to start turning around opinion. There were quite a few more dangerous acts, such as the Plumbers Unit, but they didn't start momentum.
Warrantless surveillance hasn't triggered a mass response. A hearing, with a sympathetic protagonist, after a felony conviction is far more likely to gain momentum.
Please don't give Bush's spinmeisters ammunition to trivialize a process that, in all modern impeachment, takes hearings on individual offenses, in appropriate committees, and then generates the impeachment hearings.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 19, 2007 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Howard,
Apparently, there were insufficient people in the "many" to overturn the Republican majority until 2006. Does the "many" yet include a sufficient national consensus for the House to impeach and the Senate remove from office?
Millions, to me, are many, but you are right in that until the 2006 election there was not enough people who recognized the incompetence, corruption, and outright lawbreaking of the current administration to overcome the advantages of incumbency and take over leadership of the two houses of Congress. I believe that more than fifty percent of the voting population would support impeachment of both Bush and Chaney right now. If not, it is heading in that direction. One reason is that people who feel that way are speaking out and others are coming to see that those people have reason and right on their side. Complacency is a problem in this country and demonstrations help overcome it. Also, strong advocacy by the public helps push some politicians to do things they might like to avoid and sometimes empowers politicians to do thing that many of their peers would like to let slide.
I suggest you check the House rules and applicable statutes.
I suggest that if standing up while wearing a shirt with a message on it was illegal that it would have been stopped. Did the Republicans on the committee object? If a Republican had been running that particular show he would have no doubt prevented the demonstrator from even entering the room wearing that shirt. He would probably been within his rights. For Waxman to allow that person into the room and stand up a couple of times in the back was apparently within his rights. I believe that to the extent that the demonstrators were asked to modify their behavior that they did so.
How do you know it was effective?
I know their method of getting their message out was effective because I saw it on the national news. No one claimed that the one message/demonstration itself would bring about impeachment.
Is the public, not "many" activists, ready for impeachment? I remember the Nixon process quite well, and it took a "third-rate burglary", Watergate, to start turning around opinion. There were quite a few more dangerous acts, such as the Plumbers Unit, but they didn't start momentum.
Do you seriously believe that the Watergate burglary alone brought down the Nixon administration or started the momentum? Do you think that the last straw is the only straw? That, for example, is as ridiculous as your assertions in the past that since it was NVA forces which drove tanks into Saigon that the Viet Cong played a small and insignificant role in that war. The guy who kicks the last second field goal did not win the game on his own.
Warrant less surveillance hasn't triggered a mass response. A hearing, with a sympathetic protagonist, after a felony conviction is far more likely to gain momentum.
Warranties surveillance has triggered a response from many people. It is one of the straws. Further, I think hearings, which are in fact part of the investigatory process, might well be in order before a felony conviction. Maybe even necessary if we are to get back to our traditional Constitutional form of law enforcement.
Further down you say that an exchange of perspectives is unlikely to change your deeply felt convictions. My experience of you, based on reading hundreds of your posts and responses, is that one of your most deeply held commitments is to never acknowledging that you might be wrong. I dont expect that to change. In this case we are talking about something subjective, the value of demonstrations, so neither of us can be certain that we are right. Here is an objective statement.
You might be right, but you might be wrong.
March 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You may have the feeling I do not acknowledge errors, but I believe I have done so in posts. I am certainly willing to be wrong, although, as you point out, it is difficult to do so in subjective issues.
Do you believe that 50% or more of the Congress is ready to support impeachment?
Unless you mean something very different than I interpret, we agree completely. While I still believe that a chant or T-shirt in a courtroom or official hearing is totally inappropriate, if the T-shirt had read "hearings on surveillance now", or something else that was achievable if not pithy, it would have made sense to me. "Impeach now" is unrealistic.
If Waxman permitted the demonstration, that does not mean that it was legal. Enforcement of laws is often at the discretion of a police officer, judge, etc. Here is an example of an arrest for disturbing a Congressional hearing; read about halfway down, "Press Release: Antiwar Activists Arrested At House Appropriations Committee Hearing". The referenced page shows several ways committees and police dealt with demonstrators.
If I ever said the VC did not have a major part in the war, that was in error. What I have said is that North Vietnam, starting in May 1959, was the major supplier and commander of the insurgency, and that after Tet, the majority of forces were NVA. I don't think, however, I said that the VC never were a factor; they certainly were, especially 1954 into the early sixties.
I believe it started active momentum. There were abuses before then, which were largely hidden.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 19, 2007 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
arrest for disturbing a Congressional
Apparently that was intended as a link. It didnt work, but thats okay.
If sometimes protestors have been allowed to protest, sometimes told to stop, sometimes arrested, sometimes found in contempt, then that only reaffirms my belief that the presiding Senator has a wide degree of latitude to determine what is permitted in the room.
March 19, 2007 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
[Thanks; I'll go check the link]
Absolutely agreed that the presiding Member has wide discretion in the hearing room -- things in the hallways, galleries, etc. are another matter. Ever since the shooting incident in 1954, the Capitol Police take a very dim view of any demonstration in the galleries.
Let us say that the protesters are fairly sure that the presiding Senator or Representative won't crack down hard. It's possible that the demonstrators even communicated ahead of time, although I don't know if the ethical rules would allow a "go ahead".
Alternatively, one could reasonably assume some Members would throw the book at demonstrators. The question, however, is whether or not demonstrations in a hearing room, when the hearing is at the heart of a republic, are wise and effective.
Remember that these hearings could very well be contributing to exactly what Code Pink claims to want, which makes their demonstration even stranger to me. Let me try an example in another direction, the worst hearings in history by Joe McCarthy and hangers-on. The eventual downfall of McCarthy came from competent television reporting of exactly what he was doing. Reporting what was done to Valerie Plame Wilson, without excessive dramatics, may well be some bricks in a solid foundation for impeachment.
Assume there was a Code Pink that showed up in McCarthy's hearings. How would they have improved the solution any better than what happened? Assume current national attitudes, not those of the early fifties.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 20, 2007 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I found code pink to be very distracting in trying to watch the testimony of Valerie Plame. I understand what they are trying to do but, for god sake, please don't be such a distraction at a serious hearing as to either get on people's nerves and want to yell sit the hell down! or set yourself up as comic fodder.
Yes, Bush is stupid and to quote someone, Cheney is an assclown. The whole administration should be at Gitmo for a very long time. But, show respect for those who have had their very career and life destroyed. And for those trying to find some answers to 6 years of certain criminal acts by our president. Acting the fool doesn't help in these things.
March 17, 2007 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
For me, it was just another Zen koan:
Administration is circus
Makes buffoonery of Constitution
See the clown?
Best,
Ticia
March 18, 2007 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
We have enough problems with officials claiming they are following orders of a Christian deity; did you really want to add the Buddha? "See the clown" is really not anything that would fall into Zen meditation.
"Does Dick Cheney have Buddha-nature" would be more classic, although it might be hard to give the traditional response of "mu".
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 18, 2007 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
So long as you cannot go beyond the clown, my son, you cannot
reach the Way," replied the master.
March 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
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March 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Way of the adept is not the Way of the Congressman. Sadly, too many are already clowns, but they have not realized they have clown-nature.
Adapted from Matura,
There was a person who sent a cuckoo as a gift.
However, the cuckoo would not sing,
Donald Rumsfeld would just kill the cuckoo, as long as it could be done by special operations.
John Yoo would torture the cuckoo to sing.
Dick Cheney would announce it was already well known that it had sung, and claim that suggesting it was subject to the Bird Identity Protection Act was just more treasonable Democratic maneuvering.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"By knowing things that exist, you can know that which does not exist. In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." (Musashi)
March 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too many words, how Zen -- not. There is nothing less respectable than white men in suits who swell with great swells of faux-respectability as they ratify the lie du jour.
The transvestite in pink with Impeach Today on his t-shirt was counterpoint. Like I said:
See the clown?
Thank you, Howard, for making me so welcome to share my perspective on your blog. Why don't you just step on my head next time, like you do on my blog?
Ticia
March 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Step on your head? I don't really understand. In a blog, I am going to state my honest opinion. Given how strongly I disagree with activist disruption of things that well may be part of a foundation of impeachment, what would welcoming look like?
There is a point, in a political context, where, as courteous as one may try to be, it eventually may come to "I believe you are wrong, and I will work to defeat your position." Politics is not about satisfying everyone.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right when you say that you don't understand. Perhaps there is nothing I can say to you, because the question remains for you.
You define the turf, the terms, and the timetable of what is humorous, what is serious, what is insane, what is honest, what is opinion, what is fact. You play the cat card. But if I inquire seriously, you will play the humor card. If I challenge that, you will play the insane card. If I challenge that, you will play the thug card. If I challenge that, you will knock something I hold dear. If I challenge that, you will uphold something I consider profane. If I challenge that, you will bring up history. If I bring up further history, you will say that is over.
You define the terms, the turf, and the timetable.
For me, not.
In my book, when you want to share and exchange perspectives at a Cafe, you welcome a person and you thank them for participating, and you invite them back.
It has to do with knowing where you are, being where you are, and not pretending that you're somewhere else. You see the clown, but do you see the clown?
Ticia
March 18, 2007 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I neither think in terms of cards being played, nor of sequences of argument. If there are things that either one of us holds as deep commitment, exchanging perspectives is unlikely to change that commitment. Frankly, I'm not sure to what you are referring here, but I will guess some of the activist approaches to politics. If that is the case, I sincerely doubt either one of will change the belief.
Not knowing what you mean by perspectives or knowing what I am, it is unwise for me to guess. Should you want to clarify, perhaps that would help. I have no idea what you mean by reference to clowns.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 18, 2007 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink