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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Democratic Senators Not Fond of Obama&apos;s Tax Cuts ... by Elana Schor]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T22:11:53Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Isn't a payroll tax cut geared towards those most likely to spend it?  Even those who pay no income tax pay payroll taxes, so this is a tax cut geared towards the lower income brackets - precisely the sort of folks most likely to use the money to buy groceries or pay rent (as opposed to parking it in a Thai hedge fund, or some such).</p>

<p>In any event, I agree with you about Conrad being <i>right</i> about the $3000 credit.  It seems to me, however, that this is a time when being right is perhaps less important than being speedy.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on For the Missourians on this site by A Missouri voter</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T21:30:08Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>I would think that one of the Carnahans, likely Robin, would be the better choice... [a]ssuming her breast cancer is in remission</blockquote>

<p>I guess her health must be up to it, because it seems that she is signaling her intention to run and the scuttlebutt floating around is that Nixon is behind her.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Democratic Senators Not Fond of Obama&apos;s Tax Cuts ... by Elana Schor]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T21:26:56Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>In other words, I'm behaving just like the members of Congress that I'm criticizing.</blockquote>

<p>If I might make bold to disagree, I actually think that there is (or at least could be) an important distinction between your stand and that of these Congress members.  It seems to me that when the country is facing a real crisis (as at present) need to be relaxed.  It will do us no good if we spend <i>so long</i> hammering out the <i>perfect</i> stimulus package that the economy dives into another great depression in the meanwhile.</p>

<p>On the other hand, when the country is on essentially sound footing (as it was at the time when the second round of Bush tax cuts were being debated) then there is no excuse not to employ the sort of healthy skepticism we are suddenly seeing emerge.  In other words, the Congress is being reckless at the times when caution is in order and cautious at the times that call for more bold approaches.  I think that you are entirely right to find yourself thinking annoyed thoughts when faced with such Congressional behavior.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Democratic Senators Not Fond of Obama&apos;s Tax Cuts ... by Elana Schor]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T21:08:00Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hey, I am thrilled to think that Congress members of <i>either</i> party are willing to ask whether tax cuts actually do any good.  I do rather have to wonder, however, why they have chosen this precise moment to finally get serious about such matters.  Where was this sort of healthy skepticism 7 years ago?</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Bad News For GOP: Missouri Sen. Kit Bond Announces Retirement by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T20:53:15Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like the odds are favoring <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/01/mo-dems-hint-that-carnahan-about-to-kick-off-for-senate/" rel="nofollow">Robin Carnahan</a> as the democratic candidate.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on For the Missourians on this site by A Missouri voter</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T20:52:16Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like the odds are favoring <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/01/mo-dems-hint-that-carnahan-about-to-kick-off-for-senate/">Robin Carnahan</a>.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on With The Matthews Boomlet Over, Who Else Might Run In Pennsylvania? by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T20:36:54Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that maybe we should hope for Santorum to offer such a primary challenge, but I think that falls under the heading of "be careful what you wish for."  If he only served to wound Specter that would be one thing, but if he actually won I would be worried that he might actually win the whole thing, and that is not a chance worth taking in my book.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on With The Matthews Boomlet Over, Who Else Might Run In Pennsylvania? by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T20:26:26Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>And while we are on the subject of who might run for Senate, why not join me in <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/grzeszdel/2008/10/for-the-missourians-on-this-si.php" rel="nofollow">speculating about who might run in Missouri</a>?</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on GOPers Lay Down Their Marker by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>LMAO!...nothing like a little "over the top" dramatics.</blockquote>

<p>Please, we bow to the masters.  Democrats have nothing on Republicans when it comes to over-the-top dramatics ("we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" anyone?).  I will grant you that KY Yellow Dog may be laying it on a little thick, but only a little.  Given that you have admitted to listening with enjoyment to Rush Limbaugh, I am afraid that I will not be able to take any criticisms you might voice on this matter at all seriously.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Bad News For GOP: Missouri Sen. Kit Bond Announces Retirement by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T20:03:56Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  Not to change the subject, but who exactly do you have in mind when you speak of "her competitors"?  I tried to raise <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/grzeszdel/2008/10/for-the-missourians-on-this-si.php" rel="nofollow">this subject</a> a few months ago, but got no response.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on GOPers Lay Down Their Marker by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>In the end, I expect that this is the sort of thinking that will make it impossible for Pelosi to find enough votes in her own caucus actually to make good on this proposal.  Still, if the Distinguished Lady from San Francisco can make it happen, I will tip my hat to her.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Bad News For GOP: Missouri Sen. Kit Bond Announces Retirement by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>You know, I like that documentary, and I even agree that Jeff Smith would have been a better congressman than Russ Caranahan.  On the other hand, Russ has not been a <i>bad</i> congressman, by any stretch of the imagination.  He voted against FISA renewal, for instance.  He came out early for Obama.  He voted numerous times to trim Bush's war budgets.  He is not perfect, but few elected officials are.  Meanwhile, neither is Robin Carnahan <i>perfect</i>, but in my opinion she has been pretty good.  She is not <i>just</i> a legacy candidate (<i>à la</i> GWB), and I think it is a bit of unfair of you to make out as if the mere fact that her dad was also successful in Missouri should somehow disqualify her from consideration.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Pelosi to Obama: Repeal Bush Tax Cuts by Elana Schor</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T19:43:20Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Is "Fake Tan" your own original nickname for Boehner, or did you pick it up from someone else?  One way or the other, I like it. :-)</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Pelosi to Obama: Repeal Bush Tax Cuts by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Sure, if this is a case of Speaker Pelosi heeding the maxim that "the best defense is a good offense," then my hat is off to her.  I am not really voicing a criticism here, so much as a note of thorough-going astonishment.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Bad News For GOP: Missouri Sen. Kit Bond Announces Retirement by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
			<published>2009-01-08T18:10:05Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I agree that Carnahan would be a good candidate.  My only concern (and I do not know how big a concern this is) is that, as far as I know, she is still undergoing chemo for breast cancer.  Running the Sec of State's office on chemo is one thing; running for U.S. Senate is another.  Is she physically up to the challenge?</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Bad News For GOP: Missouri Sen. Kit Bond Announces Retirement by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hooray.  First Blunt retired, now Bond.  I could not be more pleased.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on GOPers Lay Down Their Marker by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Alright, Congressional Democrats, I know that this is not going to come to you naturally, but I would like to take this moment to explain to you that this is what we call an opportunity.  The Republicans just said something very firmly, but which is also very politically dumb.  I know that your natural reaction whenever a Republican leader speaks firmly is to cower and concede, but now would be a good time to climb up into the Bully Pulpit and contrast McConnell's and Boehner's words with the current economic news in a way that will make <i>them</i> cower and concede.  Believe it or not, it can be done (the fact that they have been doing the same to you for the last 8 years proves as much).</p>

<p>Come on, kids, you can do it.  I have confidence in you.  Please do not show this confidence (once again) to have been a shallow illusion.</p>]]>
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		    <title>A Missouri voter Commented on Pelosi to Obama: Repeal Bush Tax Cuts by Elana Schor</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Madame Speaker.  I have always been disposed to like you, so if you wish to move in a fashion which will restore my ability to respect you, I for one will be pleased as punch.</p>

<p>That said, I have to say that while I have long thought the Bush tax cuts to be bad public policy, and therefore think that their rescission would be good public policy, that I cannot expect you are going to find a lot of enthusiasm in your ranks for this measure.  That said, the mark of a real leader is that s/he <i>makes</i> such hard changes occur, so here's hoping you that you pull this off.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on <![CDATA[Is "Magic Negro" CD <i>Helping</i> Saltsman In RNC Race?]]&gt; by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-12-30T17:22:00Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I do not see quite what this observation has to do with your original point.  You claimed that "the more someone is religious, the more racially intolerant they are."  If that were true, then it would follow that all racially tolerant individuals would be people of weak religious conviction or no religious conviction at all.  Given that Dr King was both 1) religious and 2) racially tolerant, it follows that your original observation is off base.  Nor is King unique as a counterexample to your overhasty generalization.  The Dalai Lama, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, Albert Schweitzer, Cezar Chavez and others leap quickly to mind, as well.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on <![CDATA[Is "Magic Negro" CD <i>Helping</i> Saltsman In RNC Race?]]&gt; by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that "limey" is really to Anglo-Saxon what "kike" is to Jewish, or suchlike.  It seems to me that "limey" is more affectionate than pejorative.  Perhaps "Sassanach" is what you are really looking for?  Or maybe "WASP" (which can be used dispassionately, but definitely has a pejorative sense in other contexts)?</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on <![CDATA[Is "Magic Negro" CD <i>Helping</i> Saltsman In RNC Race?]]&gt; by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>For some reason the name "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr" is popping into my head right now, but I am sure that is totally beside your point...</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Biden On Upcoming Blago Report: &quot;I Don&apos;t Think There&apos;s Anything To Exonerate&quot; by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Don't forget the blogs.  Those yahoos over at No Quarter <i>cannot</i> get enough of this, and are quite certain that, when the new Obama administration topples quickly under the weight of this scandal, we will all finally understand that about which they had been trying to warn us all along.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Quote Of The Day: Palin Wishes She&apos;d Done More Interviews by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-12-22T19:12:01Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>This made me chuckle, and I thank you for it.</p>]]>
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			<published>2008-12-19T21:37:59Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I guess once you have convinced more of your fellow citizens to look on prayer with the obvious and undisguised contempt which you feel for it, you might reasonably expect them to join you in your call for the end to these sorts of ceremonies.  You have your work cut out for you.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Are Obama&apos;s &quot;New&quot; Politics Really New? by Greg Sargent]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>I'm very involved in Planned Parenthood and, unfortunately, younger women are decidely less pro-choice than their mothers. In fact, several of the most active members in our chapter have daughters who are anti-choice.

<p>It's a generational thing. Younger women are, in many respects, like the younger generation of African Americans who take many of the gains made in the Civil Rights era for granted because they have never lived in a time when they couldn't eat in a restaurant or use a public restroom.</p></blockquote>

<p>Hm, I guess that your explanation could be part of it, but it seems to me that it cannot be the whole story.  After all, there may be younger blacks who are apathetic about the civil rights struggles of their parents, but I doubt that you could find any more than a handful who think that black folks ought to have to go back to drinking from separate fountains, or suchlike.  By contrast, as you note yourself, there are young women who think that abortion should be re-criminalized.  That is not mere apathy; that is active antipathy.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Are Obama&apos;s &quot;New&quot; Politics Really New? by Greg Sargent]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to hear that you have lost your job.  I am sure you don't need me to tell you this, but now is not an easy time to be looking for work.  For whatever little this is worth, I will keep you in my prayers.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Are Obama&apos;s &quot;New&quot; Politics Really New? by Greg Sargent]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>This sounds about right to my ears.  Long wars without victory leave people tired of fighting.  A call to set aside the culture wars and cooperate on matters which <i>can</i> be resolved sounds awfully inviting, compared with the invitation to keep beating one's head against the same brick wall to no obvious effect.  If the GOP cares to ignore this insight and keep on with the <i>status quo</i>, it is their funeral and I will be delighted to watch them reap the reward that such an approach merits.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[A Missouri voter Commented on Christians Aren&apos;t Going Away and Neither Are Gays by stillidealistic]]></title>
		        
			<published>2008-12-19T19:41:16Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>The truth of StillIdealistic's point is intuitively obvious: neither evangelical Christians nor LBGT are going away.  If you really think that the only acceptable approach is to fight the evangelicals until they are utterly defeated, you have quite a task on your hands.  Lot of luck with that.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<blockquote>But the problem with trying to view this decision as "inclusive" is that it's not. It leaves a whole group of people out. We're saying to gays, "Yeah, I know you'd like to be part of this, and really you are, but just not fully. Not yet." And that makes me sad.</blockquote>

<p>How does it leave anyone out.  This seems to my mind a willful misinterpretation of the gesture.  Certain gay people do not like certain evangelical Christians and certain evangelical Christians do not like certain gay people.  But (and this is the really insightful element of StillIdealistic's post), both of those groups are Americans.  Barack Obama is going to be the President of both the gay Americans and of the evangelical Americans.  Neither group is going away, so <i>both</i> should be included.  Obama is not trying to push his gay constituents off the dias to make room for the evangelicals; there is room enough for both groups.</p>

<p>To say that inviting the evangelicals is, <i>ipso facto</i>, to disinvite the gays is to say that Obama was wrong to say that there is only one America.  It is to say that there really is a red America and a blue America and never the twain shall meet.  If you really believe that, why were you ever on board with Obama in the first place?</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Duly noted.</p>]]>
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