Who is "we"? Are you referring to "We the people" in a way that neglects the 57% in favor of healthcare reform?

As for Henry, whether the channel was an advanatage or not, the fact remains he brought the RC church down in England, and Luther did the same in Germany without that benefit with many others to follow. The history of the Russian Church is one of the Tsar's, although propped up by the Church, seizing it's lands and serfs.

Depression is a disorder in need of recognition and treatment. That it arises from neglect and isolation is no surprise.

The hypocrisy was glaring, but the history revealing. In the end, it came down to a society bringing their wealth together and creating these massive structures with incredible art: poetry; paintings; drama; and music. Yes, the wealth was more consolidated by force then free-will offering, but come together it did, and there was this magnificent world created for nothing greater then the glory of God, although there are certainly those who would take personal credit for it. When all is said and done, each had their own perception of how it came to be, and what it meant, but there was a significant lack of personal ownership. It was the Church's. It was the community's. It was left to no one and no one simply inherited it due solely to their family's relationship, although it would be disengenuous to assert that there are no bloodlines

Since the Dark Ages the Church [note the capital letter, meaning all of Christianity, particularly in Europe] has been assailed by temporal powers, individuals and governments seeking to diminish its wealth. Ever so slowly the churches have deteriorated. In their place we now have these corporations. What was lost? The notion that the community can create something glorious that we ALL own. Now we have shareholders that make no pretense. Others are working for the glory of the shareholder and society is due NOTHING in return for the buildings, drama, art and music. Nothing more then a wage is exchanged and even that is usually given begrudgingly.

Our religion in America is reflecting this corporatism. Our MSM-designated church leaders have tremendous personal wealth that they retain. It is not the privileged lifestyle in a church-owned mansion any longer. It is their's to keep. No mention is made to a monastic, ascetic life of spiritual struggle. Wealth alone has become the evidence that one has found favor in the eyes of God. Even the suggestion there is an Orthodoxy has been abandoned. "I can find it all by myself in the Bible", although insidiously "leaders" do influence how people should and should not interpret the text, conveniently hundreds of years of tradition are ignored and the work of some great minds dismissed.

Zip, I was clearly sparked by your use of the word orthodox, having been raised Orthodox, and I agree that there is an ambiguous faith developing among the people that their wealth is the sole reflection of divinity. An ambiguity that becomes clearer all the time. Once upon a time the church was the people's and the community was deserving of our participation. Today we each have our own church and resent the community for asking anything of us.

We are divided and conquered. Every stadium has a corporate sponsor despite their communities providing millions of dollars to the edifice. Every Concert is brought to us by a corporation. Television is completely a corporate environment despite the fact that every cable crosses public spaces, and every dish crosses the public airwaves. And most importantly, on this day, unless we find each other and pull together, our very lives and health is dependent on shareholders and their magnanimity because we lack the power to demand they admit they are part of society and are obligated to give something more in return then mere wages.

It occurs to me that the "problematic psychological disorders" may be identified by stable individuals made uncomfortable by change, therefore, when the mobile change the stable are unsettled and declare the bahvior of the mobile disorderly. The new guys are alwaqys doign something unexpected, and that is unsettleing. Whether it was a good[?] or bad[?] behavior is irrelevant to the one who wishes everything to remain constant.

It said, in short that the capitalist/religious leaders refuse to acknowledge soil has value until we put steer manure in a bag and sell it. Prior to that it means nothing to them. Prior to that it washed away as we tore trees out of the ground. Even water, until it is put in a bottle has no value to these capitalist/religious "leaders", as they lead us astray from our humanity with their pseudo-spirituality.

As Zip so accurately portrays, we have misplaced our faith in freedom with capitalism.

Wall Street knows it did it right when the checks hit their bank accounts too. Automakers, Realtors, Bankers. They all did it right. Their bank accounts prove it. Cheney was right. Look at all the money he made for Halliburton.

Do you wonder if Cheney's daughter has any of their stocks? Really? You knew the answer before I finished the question.

When it all implodes and the dollars are worthless, these people may stil be wealthy and they will know they were right. That is if they can leave the country before the masses tar and feather them.

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Some trigger words: gays, guns, liberals, God freedom, liberty, and etc.

A lot will depend on how these companies are paid. In the end, if their is no incentive to actually examine a claim, it will become wasteful. Do companies get reimbursed for bringing in other parties to manage a claim: a nurse, a voc counselor, an investigator and an attorney? Because if they are, then these claims will be worked to death and every claim seen as an opportunity to bring their friends to the trough. If they are paid a flat rate per claim, with no incentive to examine the claim, they will be pushed through as fast as possible leaving many people with their injuries addressed insufficiently.

If the Administrator is using other people's money and not their own, claims will be managed differently. It is not necessarily a bad idea.

Before anyone suggests Hillary did the same thing consider this. Hillary did her homework when she moved to NY to be Senator and you knew when she left for the Senate that she would bring something home for them when she returned. It was equally obvious Hoffman merely thought of the voters as so many rocks to step on while he crossed the Jordan, and he completely failed to even pay lip service to bringing anything back for them. The Democratic winner, he's already talkng about speaking out for dairy farmers, bring home clean energy and etc.

If the election is any sign of things to come it is that the GOP talking points are rapidly becoming insufficient to mesmerize and sway the masses to send idealogues to Congress.

The Bartender says, "We have a 100 local microbrews on tap each created by an artisan, masters of their craft."

Joe replies, "I want them all to have a Budweiser, because it's the King of Beers, and I'm buying!"

{Pulls out Budweiser Corporate Credit Card}

{Patrons watch dumbfounded as Lieberman spills each of their beers onto the floor.}

It does not feel as though the Democratic Party is together. 60 seats and they are still grappling with healthcare reform. The public wants the option and they are still working to diminish that voice. Political agitators at town halls and the MSM blasting talk of the public option being out of reach, but 57% remain in favor of it. The Dems just need to get it done if they wish to remain in power. I'm all for their remianing in power, but they need to do the job we sent them there to do and that 57% of people expect.