Medical Tourism
It's really an intersting dynamic for me, how I read a post and it prompts another, and many times my post is received better then the posts that originate without the influence of others. But we shall see. My post today was prompted by this one here,
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/noblecommentdecider/2009/07/gun-toting-nra-supporter-disar.php?ref=reccafe One good post deserves another.
It occured to me that this phrase, medical tourism, is so quaint that it has gone virtually unmentioned until today. It came about because one of these "tourists" brought a gun with him for protection when he went to India to get a hip replacement. He brought a gun to India!!! Clearly this fool has lost the perspective that most human beings on this planet abhor weapons. Yes, we read about a terrorist incident in India and it scares us, but there are a billion unarmed people there we do not mention. So all we know about India is this one incident. We need to take the time to know more about India then that this incident occurred. Seriously, there's more to life then running terrified of shadows hiding a weapon just in case. But that issue is for the above-referenced post. I recommend you read that too. This post is about medical tourism.
Medical tourism sounds so adventurous and pleasant. It suggests an exploration of a foreign land and gathering a trinket to help us later to remember the trip. Going to India one might think of bringing home a plastic Taj Mahal, or a hand carved tiger. One might also think of the great meals: curries; tandoori chickens: and lhassis. Not to mention the weather. I hear it gets pretty hot in some places. Then there are all the cultural influences to experience seeing people in their native clothes, unless they caught the American bug of course and wear jeans and a T-shirt. {Oh, how rich we are as a culture. A T-shirt and jeans, and perhaps a baseball cap. No, I don't think people come to the US to experience our culture. Frankly, it seems they enjoy our seemingly endless nature, particularly attractive to Europeans who have so little left.}
A real expression for these travelling people might be more serious. How about medical refugees? Financially oppressed people who could not bear the outrageous costs of our medical system. It might suggest other experiences then the ones above-mentioned. For instance, there is no exploration of the land, there is a visit to a hospital to explore it's barren hallways filled with gurneys, wheelchairs, and the infirm. Great meals? Hospital food, you mean? Oh, the only time hospital food motivates people to move is motivating them to leave the hospital, or to smuggle in something from outside. As for the weather, the hospital probably has a climate-controlled environment. It will probably feel a lot like hospitals here, except that sucking sound is less severe around our wallets, or purses. Finally, the clothes. There is nothing ethnic to a hospital gown. The flap at the back is a stark reminder of the frailty of our humanity. For as revealing as those gowns may be, there is nothing seductive about them. It's quite the opposite really. A souvenir, a trinket? It's an artificial hip.
So let's get real. There are no medical tourists, only medical refugees, and the UN is not going to do anything about them. It is up to us, because evidently, the politiciamns are not about to do anything about them either. The practice of medical refugees is becoming quite common, but there are no real numbers to quantify how prevalent this has become. What would the medical industry do if they knew how many dollars were going elsewhere? {How I loathe the fact that we have come to accept that our health has become a commodity.} Well, if Bush were in charge he would put a stop to it, the same way he prevented people from getting prescriptions filled in Canada.
It's really disappointing that this nation appears so ignorant of the battle taking place in the halls of Congress as I write this. We have a chance to radically transform our healthcare system. We have several examples of vibrant industrialized countries that have single-payer systems. We are talking about our future, the personal future of each and every one of us, as we age and endure our diminished vitality. We will all want to be as comfortable as we can, living as well as we can, but this present system is failing so many. The only ones who benefit are shareholders in an industry that exploits the misfortune of people who are sick or have been injured. We can change this. We can do it now. Repeat after me, YES WE CAN and don't let anyone tell you any option is off the table. YES WE CAN. Stop the exodus. Good healthcare begins at home.
















"We have a chance to radically transform our healthcare system. We have several examples of vibrant industrialized countries that have single-payer systems"
- Unfortunately, this is the real reason behind the push for the reform.
It's not about reducing costs or improving care, it's about building an ideology-driven system.
Here is a simple alternative solution for your informed consideration:
1. Reduce cost of medical education (the highest in the world)so doctors can pay off student loans faster
2. Reduce terms of patents, so that generic lower-cost drugs appear much faster
3. Deregulate insurance industry, so they can operate nationally and truly compete for patients with one another
July 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me flip that on you. It is about reducing costs and improving care. The examples are overseas and next door, but it is the fear of the associated ideology that is the barrier to implementing a single-payer system. It is as though, if health insurance goes this way, everything will go this way. This is unfounded.
As for your proposals, and I do welcome them, not only should we reduce the cost of education for medical professionals, which is a way to ensure only the wealthy have the opportunity to become doctors, but we should also increase the number of medical schools to educate these professionals. We do not have enough doctors. If we did it would not take weeks to see one.
As for patents, I agree, we should either shorten the term a patent is extent, or allow a royalty on the generics to the inventor, IF their research was self-funded, as opposed to the federally-funded variety. Or we could do both. Private enterprise is all too eager to bash federal subsidies while using state schools to do much of their research. They will share the costs but not the profits.
As for deregulation, I would welcome insurers being able to compete nationally, but having no regulation is absurd. They take undue advantage in so many ways, giving them more leeway would merely invigorate their ideologically-motivated behaviors. As long as the bottom line grows, who cares who dies. Be realistic, there are numerous examples of this kind of sociopathic profit-motivated bent for examples.
July 2, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mentioned it elsewhere: currently health insurance is regulated at state level, which results in a patchwork of mandates and different coverage requirements. What I'm proposing is a national, federal system, that allows insurance companies to compete equally, on a national leval, within a clear and consistent system. What's the deregulation I'm talking about.
I'm sure you would agree with this too.
What's good about this plan is that it will drive costs down very quickly. What's missing is that NONE of this is going to be part of ObamaCare.
July 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
- Actually, I'm not the one proposing it. Hillary already proposed during the primaries. But, what can I say, bad teleprompter.
July 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting proposition in that this would make it more efficient for the Big Box insurance companies to enter markets where monies are kept locally. It would be a boon for Wall Street, but I'm skeptical it would trickle down. I suspect the local/state companies would end up folding and the service would not improve, especially after the national firms dominated the market.
July 3, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, wasn't this one of McCain's big ideas during the campaign?
It sounds like a great idea, but how do you keep all the insurance companies from migrating to the states with the least regulations? (Just like the credit card companies and South Dakota). It sounds like there would be a race to the bottom for states to loosen things up in order to try and attract the insurance companies and all their accompanying jobs.
July 3, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's good about this plan is that it will drive costs down very quickly.
I agree that someone's costs will go down. However, I'm betting that it will be the insurance company's costs and not the consumers.
A former VP with Cigna, Wendell Potter, testified to the Senate Commerce Committee last week:
This is the industry you want to deregulate because it will drive down prices? I have some land in Florida ...
July 2, 2009 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
seashell: a single federal regulation instead of the salad we have right now can easily have caps in place or a process on how patients can be dropped from coverage.
surely, we have (and about to have more) financial regulation, especially on derivatives, we can manage a rule or two on how policies can be dropped?
seems to me that you're seeing Satan here, not just problems that can be fixed without costing my grandchildren
July 3, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
People emigrate and/or visit other countries for all kinds of reasons, including economic ones like seeking less expensive health care. The United States imports massive numbers of citizens from India to be doctors because Americans are too fat and too lazy and too stupid to become doctors themselves. Why not send some patients the other way too?
It's the same thing as setting up a factory in Mexico and importing the goods, rather than importing Mexican workers to work in Texas. Movement of goods and services is a substitute for movement of people (and vice versa). Basic international trade theory.
July 3, 2009 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Going off topic here...
The right to bear arms is a defense against tyranny from our own government. It is both viable and necessary.
I sincerely hope that nothing ever happens in my lifetime to warrant taking up arms against our own government or a foreign one; however, if that something does happen, I want the choice to fight and die for my country's ideals.
July 3, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh wow. Did some more research. India has the highest murder rate per capita *in the world.*
So much for the idea of no guns = less murders.
July 3, 2009 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
CMN,
Are ya gonna share where you got that littel nugget or do we have to take your word for it?
July 3, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
This website has the US at 24th and India at 26th.
Where DID you get your info?
July 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. I looked at total murders committed, not per capita; some of these murders include bride burning, which some would consider a custom.
Of course, this is within the Indian judicial system. Which arrests approximately 1/3 as many people a year as America's, for over 3x the population.
July 3, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
As for the bride burning, in 2008, there were 3500, from a population of 1 trillion, so the statistic is insignificant, although that is 3500 too many and a disgusting practice.
July 4, 2009 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
> What does this mean? I'm not following you?
It means with three times the population, you'd expect roughly three times the crime rate.
Since you can't include statistics on crimes not reported, this leaves a gaping hole that Nationmaster itself admits on crime statistics.
Here's a starter course on corruption in the India:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_India
> from a population of 1 trillion
hahahahahahahahaha. This speaks for itself. I probably shouldn't even have responded to you for this simple remark.
July 4, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Geeeeeeeez how did I miss this?
Great post!!!!!!!!
Medical Tourism?
July 3, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink