United We Stand. Rush? How about You?
"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels -- men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." Dwight D. Eisenhower
Thank you, Ike, for so aptly describing Rush Limbaugh's latest declaration, disloyal subversion. It is clear that the Right has no real patriotism. That their pretense was merely that. All those bumperstickers screaming at those who had the misfortune of driving behind them, UNITED WE STAND!!! All the while demanding we follow the lead of the most deceitful Administration in our nations history. Real Americans kow-tow to no one, not even our President. The Republicans did exactly that when George the Pretender took possession of the White House in his first term. The vote was desecrated by an official in Florida clearly detached from reality, as evidenced by her actions in her own Senatorial campaign. Then the vote was further insulted by a Supreme Court who could not be bothered to count the ballots again, more thoroughly and with greater transparency. The deeds of that Court gave America transparency into their insincere devotion to democracy. It was shocking that the will of the people could be so easily discarded. It was a newspaper that finally counted the votes to show who really won, and the country barely skipped beat.
Here we are now, with Barack Obama the popular leader of the United States of America and a braodcaster declares I want him to fail! Where are those false patriots now? Beggin ghis forgiveness for stating the obvious, that those words are treason. Where are the protests in front of his radio station? We should voice our offense because "a rising tide raises all ships", and a receding tide will leave ships aground. The carelessness of Rush's statement is somehow not given it's full meaning. Are there still so many Zom-Bushes that they do not realize it is their ships that will run aground if we fail to turn back the tide?
It is pure insanity, repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result. The Republican ideals were fully and completely implemented during the Bush Administration and they have failed. Why are we hearing people suggest we just need to keep to that course? Why does anyone give it any credence? Now is the time for us to stand united. It is time for us to disavow those who put their interests before those of the America people. There are ways to get ahead without sacrificing the well being of our fellow countrymen. It is those who refuse to consider them that will be our undoing. We need to speak out and declare who these traitors our, now that we have a President who actively listens to all voices. Although on this point I do disagree. There are times to disagree and be disagreeable. To the weak that have followed Rush for his apparent voice of authority, a new voice of authority can easily garner their loyalty. Now is the time to silence Limbaugh and we can do it if we stand united. His words are treason, pure and simple.
Your stupidity is truly astounding! Of course, this should be expected from one who still maintains the crazy belief that Gore won and was 'cheated' by the court, despite the fact that the Democrat Chief Justice in Florida issued an opinion that declared the SC would rule exactly as it did and why it was correct to do so. Give it up loser. As far as treason, Rush said he hoped Obama would fail to implement a socialist agenda in America, that is not treason. It was Harry Reid that declared "this war is lost" in the summer of 2007, a month before the last surge troops arrived. There is your traitor, like his comrades in the house Pelosi and Murtha who called the troops murderers.
February 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"......be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in box! For it's one, two, three, what are we fight'n for, DON'T ASK ME I DON'T GIVE A DAMN, next stop is ......"
February 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ever hear of the Anbar Awakening?!? This is why the violence diminished so significantly. It was not military destruction alone, it was the agreement among the locals to promote peace. It was the result of diplomacy, something at which the Bush regime was an abject failure. Something not considered until Obama made it a political football. BTW, he took that football to the house!
February 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh puhleeeze! The Anbar awakening was made possible by the presence of the military, it was their goal all along to get locals involved, and Obama had nothing to do with it.
February 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The so called Anbar awakening was achieved by allowing traditional clan leaders to regain their power and prestige.
And great, great deal of that was attained by bribery. By buying their support! With a little cash, the clan leaders could then effectively act as the patrons that their "constituents" expect them to be.
It was awfully late in the game when we woke up to the fact that there are lower cost and smarter alternatives to blasting the hell out of everything and everyone.
February 3, 2009 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
You libs simply refuse to give Bush credit for finally implementing policies in Iraq that were successful, and now the war is essentially won. No soldiers killed by hostile fire (4 kiled in accidental chopper crash) for the last month, election a big success. Gen Petraeus is responsible, but at least Bush listened to him, unlike Reid the traitor.
February 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
None of this, good and bad, should have ever, ever, ever been necessary in the first place. Tell the families and friends of those four what a great things it is that only they were killed!
BTW..."how DO you ask a young man to be the last to die for his country" in a meaningless, purposeless, and ill-conceived war?
How do you?
February 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who has to declare themselves a CleverBulldog is probably not.
The votes were painstakingly counted. Gore won. We all lost.
Why are you promoting activist judges now? I thought that was anethema to your kind.
If Obama fails, we all do. You're coming down with us. Put down the kool-aid and wake up.
February 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The votes were counted repeatedly, by numerous organizations. In every scenario except ONE (which scenario was ruled unconstitutional) GORE LOST. Get Over it!Stop lying. As far as Obama, it would be great if he would get smart and implement policies that would fix things. If he makes sensible proposals, I will support him. If he follows Pelosi's lead, I will not. His first week was not too impressive, worrying about abortion, gitmo, and union demands instead of the economy and the banking mess.
February 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bull,
You're in the wrong place. The Hooterville blog is right next to Wasilla. Ya can't miss it.
February 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS. Get yourself some help. Don't come back until, you come when your called, can heel, and your house trained.
February 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, you want to hear only from those that agree with you? Just like the original poster who wants to silence Rush, you people talk a good game of being bipartisan and uniting the country, but only if everyone follows and doesn't ask questions.
February 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, folks, but the bulldog has a point about the echo chamber.
You may or may not agree with the presentation and I certainly agree that cheering for war is a little crass, but I would be curious what someone with that kind of chip on his shoulder considers reasonable policies he would support from Obama.
What does that look like outside of all the hyperbolic ranting from both sides?
Knowing a couple of actual, real-life republicans, I suspect the TCB might have some worthwhile ideas that don't necessarily live up to preconceived notions based on past posting history. Could it be that some of the reception is responsible for the response?
I know, it is a radical idea to listen to things you may not agree with, but perhaps a little more generosity might be met with less bombastic language from visitors?
This has been my point for some time now. America is much more complex than this overly literal, left-right framing can allow for.
February 2, 2009 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I would have preferred Obama to stick to issues that are not polarizing (avoid abortion for example). On the economy, I would like to see short term cap gains taxes INCREASED substantially, long term rates set to zero, and corp income taxes set to zero. This would stabilize the real estate and stock markets by eliminating flippers, shorts, and speculators. It would reward investors, and make companies more profitable and better able to compete. If you would like I could hinge the corp tax elimination on layoffs/outsourcing, ie only companies that do not layoff their workers get the new zero tax rate. That would put an end to the mass layoffs for any company that is not in truly desperate shape.
February 3, 2009 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the intelligent and sincere response. While I am not opposed to re-examining tax cuts as a way to spur certain reactions in our society, it is clear from the last 28 years (more specifically over the last eight) that the way we have cut taxes hasn't had the outcomes we need.
I don't see that helping women avoid unwanted pregnancies is focusing on abortion. If anything, it helps deliver the outcomes (less abortions) that the "other side" has been requesting.
I am with you on unions as I think they have longer outlived their usefulness due to methods that never evolved. We still need to realize that many union demands are something that could be beneficial to the American workforce as a whole and would make businesses more competitive in our global economy. Things like a stable salary structure, no medical or pension costs for individual businesses (especially important for small businesses who want to compete) and a realistic regulatory environment could bring about a renaissance in America business that we haven't seen for years.
Having served at GITMO, I can say that shutting that place down and returning our military forces to the rule of law is of the utmost importance. If we want to have any sort of legitimacy in world affairs, we simply can't thumb our nose at international conventions, no matter how much our "enemies" might do otherwise. It is less safe for the troops when we use extra-legal means to accomplish what may be ethical ends.
At the end of the day, republicans need to take some responsibility for the fruits of their labors and to re-examine past performance against desired outcomes. I think any truly honest evaluation would show a substantial disconnect between the two. I think there is an opportunity to totally redefine what it means to be conservative in the 21st century, because the 20th century framing has accomplished very little that is substantive and sustainable.
Same for democrats, of course, but they will have to have a few failures to see the need to develop and position their ideas in a way that is palatable to more people than those found in the choir. It's hard to expect change from folks on the way up. Especially when they think being on the way up is the change America sought by electing Barack, clearly an oversimplification of the available evidence.
No easy solutions, but finding a common set of goals would be a great first step.
February 3, 2009 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
"(Obama's) first week was not too impressive, worrying about [a]abortion, [b]gitmo, and [c]union demands instead of the [d]economy and the [e]banking mess."
a] The issue was not abortion it is about perpetuating poverty in already impoverished countries. Pregancy keeps the people down. Thinking that they should just abstain from sex is like expecting birds not to sing, ludicrous.
b] What kind of human being are you to believe? Do you believe torture is some kind of badge of honor. It's stupid and shameful. Torture does not work. it has been proven, but regardless, torture is an insult to democracy and the Bill of Rights. You can't claim any patriotism if you can't support and defent them.
c] Union demands are human demands. An entire management team gets together to decide on wages and people are suypposed to be isolated in negotiating their wages. You must own a company to believe that is fair. If you do not, then you should get a rectal cephalectomy (your head removed from your ass).
d] The economy will rebound when workers have more money. They are the ones who buy things with their disposable income. Go to the mall or a big box store. There are nothing there but non-essentials. To have a consumer society, there must be consumers. Union labor is at the top of the consumer food chain. They have the best houses and the nicest rides. All-Americans they are. Detroit would be nothing if not for the unions.
e] As for the banking mess, he has responded to that as well. Or are you not paying close neough attention to keep up with everything he is doing.
As for Rush, he should shut up. He is infallibly stupid, but there are millions evidently who still drink his Kool-Aid. He is making hundreds of millions of dollars ranting to perpetuate the war of the profiteers, unbid contracts remained the norm throughout this war. They are not paying him that kind of money to challenge the status quo but to perpetuate. And if you like the way things are, you just keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Reference SOS ICEBERG for some useful tips.
BTW, if you had approached me with something serious, I coul dhave responded without being nasty, but since you started flinging the sh*t, you're entitled to a mouthful.
February 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, finish the Kool-Aid, but stir it around a little with your finger first. The cyanide powder tends to settle to the bottom.
February 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink