Hillary Clinton finally gets the respect she deserves.
Wow, what a change in the mindset of America. Deeply hated by the "progressives" and corporate media in the primary, to a well respected, honored by the Senate 94-2 (DeMint and Vitter, like they matter) change in the treatment the Clintons are now receiving.
As I watched Senator after Senator honor her and the blogs hatred diminished, I could not help to think, it is about time. We finally see what I argued with the old timers on this blog in the primary. What a battle that was.Good times.
And so we have the change you wanted and got. I have to say on this first day, color me impressed. From the get down to business and grow up inauguration speech, to the MTV answering his call to service and the O generation volunteering, to closing Gitmo, ethics, salary cap, Gaza, wars, whew, it is hard to keep up with the new President.
Perhaps I am seeing what they were arguing in the primary and President Obama is getting the respect he deserves.Well done old timers, well done.





You are a very good soul, gotalife!
She's gonna do us proud!
January 21, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
How on earth anybody can see that woman's great, wonderful laugh that engages her entire face and body and hate her? It's beyond me. And she's smarter than all get out. Go Hillary!
January 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never hated her. I liked her. At one time I thought Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton. I said before, but its worth going over again. No one, and I mean no one on that committee could have answered the questions as well has Secretary Clinton.
This was a good day. We need to get our man in at DOJ, but in less than 36 hours, we are doing pretty well.
January 21, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
And now it's on to the full Senate for Tim "TurboTax" Geithner.
Josh has a post up, though, about a few people the GOoPers are trying to bottle up. My guess is they include Solis, Browner and Holder. (Haven't read the post yet.)
January 22, 2009 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never hated her either, and really couldn't understand all the venom directed towards her. She's always been a smart, smart woman and never one to back down from a just fight.
She's going to be very effective as Secretary.
January 21, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very
Hopefully not too very though.
January 21, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember many of those battles, and they were good times, indeed. At least, in retrospect! You rarely failed to make your point - thanks for doing it again here.
January 21, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's my girl.
January 22, 2009 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Choosing Biden was a mistake, though.
January 22, 2009 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why?
January 22, 2009 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because he's a hopeless doofus.
January 22, 2009 4:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know Gasket. I think Wonkette might have nailed it:
;)
January 22, 2009 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fabulous!
January 22, 2009 6:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Donal has me seething and you have me laughing.
I dont care what anyone says, I respect and love Joe Biden.
January 22, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. He has such a great smile. Loving man.
January 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In that wheelchair, Cheney looked like he escaped from the set of Dr. Strangelove.
January 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the RTBG I know and love!!!! LOL. I was saying the same thing to my wife the other night and she told me I was nuts and still smarting of ver some snub from the primaries or something! But the guy, I love him, but he is kind of shmendricky sometimes. :)
January 22, 2009 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, maybe Joe will retire after 4 years, and Obama will pick Hillary as VP for his 2nd term. Then she can run for prez in 2016.
The irony of Hillary's confirmation is that John McCain's first floor speech since his loss to Obama urged Republican senators to confirm Clinton because she is Obama's choice.
January 22, 2009 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll respectfully disagree with your view on VP Biden, and leave it at that. :-) He wasn't my first choice, but I don't see him as a mistake.
As for McCain's speech, I submit that it was less ironic than strategic. He wants to be a player again in the Senate, and the best way to do that is position himself as a swing vote. That speech he made is expected to pay dividends later as he cultivates his influence. It also didn't cost him much, as Clinton would've had to wait maybe one more day for confirmation by a similar margin anyway.
January 22, 2009 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boyd, when someone does the right thing, I say move on. I am not going to question motives. It is too difficult to get anything accomplished, at least the last 8 years unless it was to aid the forces of evil.
But I get your point. McCain can use the Dems and the Dems can surely use McCain!!!!!
January 22, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
And McCain brings Graham and Lieberman with him. They're the Three Musketeers. That's all the votes they need to beat a filibuster.
January 22, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Debbie and did you notice how Graham has stood up for Holder during the nomination hearings? You really put your finger on something here.
At other times, Dems will have to use other strategies like working with the two Senators from Maine, and even Specter.
What you point out is that Lieberman's vote will be of the utmost importance in some cases and Graham and McCain will sometimes be the key to rein him in.
January 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see your (and Debbie's) point on Graham.
However, I suspect Obama already has Lieberman's balls pickled in a jar on Rahm Emanuel's desk. Every time Lieberman picks up his committee gavel, he's reminded that he only wields it because Obama saved his ass after the election. I think Joey will mostly be behaving for the next four years. :-)
January 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
RTBG, I think you are on to something. I believe that Obama is far ahead of the pack with crafting how things are going to be. That make's a lot of sense.
As HRC was confirmed, I wondered how things would be different if HRC was VP and Joe had her spot. Can you imagine the international incidents we might have had when Joe did an ad lib?!?! Keeping Joe close where Barack can reach out and slap him on the hand for speaking unkindly was a good idea. I am still being impressed by BHO.
LOL. TTFN. ROTFLMAO. SNAFU!
January 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello stranger! Hillary rocks :). She has the compassion, tenacity and strength to be an amazing Secretary of State. That's my girl.
January 22, 2009 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall when she gives the "you-gotta-be-shitting-me" look over the top of her glasses at some poor foreign head of state. I think she'll be a very effective diplomat.
January 22, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved the concept of Hillary running for the high office - I supported her to the end. President Obama made a smart choice when he picked her for the Secretary of State position. She's smart and well known around the world and can begin contributing immediately. I fear it may be a long time before we get another woman presidential candidate with her brains, experience and motivation - a rare combination.
January 22, 2009 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary in 2016! She'll be older by then, of course, but she'll not be that old.
January 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I made a promise on here during the convention that I would get a "HRC 2016" license plate if she decides to run then. If, Lord willing, I'm still around, she'll also get a check from me. :)
January 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love it when two sides of our party start cheering!!!!!!!
January 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Until the Hillary campaign - I loved both Bill and Hillary. It was only during and after the campaign that I lost my trust in them both.
January 22, 2009 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hello old friends.
The reception she received as she entered the State Department was great.
The start of the President Obama administration is flying with change and very impressive.
Much work to be done and I am confident they will succeed.
January 22, 2009 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just want to commend you one more time for the huge shift you made. It was very classy! As is your lady, Hillary!
January 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Gotalife. Welcome back, and kudos on the grown up post.
January 22, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done yet again, old bean. Though I do miss the Palin avatar. :)
As WJC has said, politics ain't beanbag. The primary campaign was particularly tough, in large part because both Dem finalists had to know they would be favored against Senator Straight Talk.
In the end, though, your girl - and her guy - helped deliver the goods. And you did as well. Merci, mon ami.
January 22, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't hate Hillary. I just thought Obama was a better candidate than her. And that her campaign was run by idiots (I really hope she didn't pay Mark Penn's bill).
January 22, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent point. And, even though today's political landscape is now thought of by many as a foregone conclusion, it's very easy to forget that this all could have turned out very differently. I'm glad it didn't, but...
January 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Second this one.
January 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Second on the campaign's failures. I'm not hopeful when I hear Terry McCauliffe is running for Governor of Virginia. He was not impressive when I saw him campaigning for HRC. IMHO, HRC was the victim of arrogance, whether it was hers or someone elses in her campaign. But I guess it is hers by default. HRC was not ready to go 12 rounds and assumed it would be over quickly. Where have we heard that before? Iraq, maybe?
Shoot, the mistake of assuming a war will be over quickly is as old as the battle of Bull Run in the Civil War. A bit of history for those who have not gotten in depth with the Civil Wat. A crowd came out to watch the North rout the South at this first battle and ended up getting routed with the North.
In spite of that poor judgment, I still like her for SoS, and am open to her taking another shot in 2016, but a lot can happen between now and then. I also believe that she had a big hand in making Obama stronger for his run against McPalin, [Oh, maybe I should get the "L" out of there.] McCain.
January 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about we all copy and past this blog and it's comments and put it away for retrieval in 7 years time? Heated primaries hardly ever end in real intraparty fratricide. This wasn't 1968 when George Wallace took the racists south and the Chicago police and Mayor Daley tried to tell the young left there was no room for us in his convention city let alone the party or even 1948 when Dixiecrats bolted. Hell we won in 1948 without Strom Thurmond and his ilk and almost beat Nixon with Hubert Humphrey and half a party in 1968 too.
Let's remember this next time. Take the kabuki theater of the primaries for what it is and it'll cause a lot less angst, anger and sleepless nights.
January 22, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't meant to be contrarian, markg8, as I came to enjoy your contributions from my home state throughout the election season. Having said that, of course.... :-)
Unfortunately, a long, hard-fought, difficult primary is not always a good thing, especially for Democrats. I believe Al Smith would certainly agree with that, were he here to discuss it. I imagine Jimmy Carter would voice similar sentiments - and the Democratic Party certainly had a sleeper hold applied to it in 1980.
My takeaway from this is not so much that the long primary was no big deal, but rather that we were very fortunate to have the candidates we had. We were also very fortunate to have Bush to run against. (I always said that a cardboard cutout of Adlai Stevenson could've won against McCain this year.)
Your thoughts?
January 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Teddy could have been as gracious in defeat toward Carter as Hillary was toward Obama but I think Reagan still would have won. The Ayatollah's October surprise the weekend before the election (whether prompted by Reagan or not) put the seal on that.
Yeah this one was rougher than most Boyd but the stakes were so high and the policy differences between Dems were minimal vs. the wide gulf between them and McCain.
January 22, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, perhaps I just have a suspicious mind, but I'm keeping my eye on her anyway, just as I am on several other Obama appointments I don't fully trust. This is Washington we're talking about, not church choir.
January 22, 2009 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given that the preponderance of Hillary's appointments are met with hearty approval by those who favor the status quo in the ME, it's too early to be envisioning any substantial changes to the policies that have proved to be dead ends. Suspicion is warranted.
BTW, Hillary and Israeli FM Tzipi Livni have conversed. Given that Livni is prone to being imperious, arrogant and demanding, it amuses me to speculate about Hillary's likely reactions to such tactics. Livni, Barak and Bibi are not going to intimidate Hillary Clinton at this point in her life.
Dan, I know you are disappointed with Obama's picks of Gates and Jones. Because I spend time on military/security blogs, my take on their choice is positive for several of reasons: continuity at the Pentagon is essential and like it or not, Gates provides it.
Another reason for my approval is that both men come from backgrounds that demand obedience/loyalty to the CiC . In addition, they are not nearly as ideologically oriented or subject to "special interests" than those whose non-military careers depend on appeasing them.
Jones is an experienced player who well knows the facts on the ground and given that full his report to Condi about the security situation in the WB was shelved due to Israeli pressures is indicative of his independence.
The Israelis make lots of demands of the final outcome of a Palestinian based on their security needs and Jim Jones' independent asessments from a military perspective are difficult to counter.
Finally, this is a reassuring glimpse into his character and approach:
"....as Bob Woodward first reported in his book “State of Denial”, as far back as 2005 Jones privately warned his good friend and soon-to-be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace: “You’re going to face a debacle and be part of the debacle in Iraq.”
And he added this sage advice, “You should not be the parrot on the secretary’s shoulder.”
January 22, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could not be more proud of Hillary Clinton taking on the world in the name of all that is good and right with America. She is tough and smart and absolutely tireless. She keeps her eye on the ball no matter what crap and chaos get thrown in her way. The day after she was mathed out of the nomination she gave that speech to her supporters and backed Obama 100%. I thought to myself what a tough tough woman to set your own dream aside with such dignity and get right to the business of doing what was best for your country. Total class act.
January 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't thrilled with Clinton's campaign, but she knocked my socks off during the general election. Her willingness to campaign for Obama demonstrated how tough and how classy she is.
It is a new day. I'm agreeing with gotalife....
January 22, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thrilled in particular with her convention speech. Classy!
January 23, 2009 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like Dan K, I am very cautious about Hillary. I certainly give her respect in accepting her votes in Congress as reflecting her views--and so I have found her too hawkish and too supportive of a powerful executive branch.
January 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, at least she can't vote for any more wars.
January 22, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't agree that the same behaviors that cost her her status as unchallenged front-runner in the race for the Democratic nomination, the same voting record in the US Senate that dragged her candidacy down with many voters, her deceptiveness, and her overall attitude of entitlement are now the grounds for her to be well-respected as Secretary of State.
Let her do well, and garner some earned respect-- any other kind is really idolatry.
January 22, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a desire to edit your first line to:
Wow, what a change in the mindset of TPM's reader bloggers.
Here's Andrew Golis, eight months ago, check it out to refresh your memory of what this site was like. :-)
I don't believe most Democratic voters ever hated Hillary, many just preferred Obama as it became more likely that he could win, but were proud of Hillary as a candidate as well. They were proud of both candidates and of their party and liked the long primary. They saw, unlike many here, that there was very little policy difference between the two.
The people who did hate Hillary just happened to congregate on sites like this, and, by bullying others who didn't share their hate and chasing them away, gave an impression that they were greater in number than they really were.
Then, with the non-Hillary-hating chased away, they created an echo chamber where they listened to each other make up narratives about how evil Hillary's campaign was. And they made people like gotalife into imaginary enemies to fight, basically baited into becoming a troll if he wanted to participate in conversation on this site. They spent a lot of time and passion doing that.
I hope at least a few realize how wasteful that was and how much it was like a new version of Juvenal's old saw--it was the virtual people creating bread and circuses to distract themselves from what was really going on. Much of what got posted here at the height of Hillary hate was in the end imaginary hysteria, having little to do with reality and much to do with creating emotional responses. So much for the people power of the blogosphere, to do--what exactly?
January 22, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your post would be more impressive if you acknowledged that the vitriol was two-sided during the primary. So far, you have seen only the attacks on the Hillary partisans and ignored the volleys launched against Obamabots by the same.
January 22, 2009 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
artappraiser is not unaware of the two directional spewing.
I saw a lot of troll-like behavior from gotalife so much of the abuse tended to be in-kind.
Although the person who figured out how to hack gotalife's profile had me rolling on the ground.
January 23, 2009 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your post would be more impressive if you acknowledged that the vitriol was two-sided during the primary
You didn't get my point. I was talking about this iste. The point is that an Obama group took over this site, and chased away most of those who didn't hate Hillary enough away. Yeah, Hillary groups took over other sites, and chased those that didn't hate Obama away.
The point: att each type of site the opposers were tiny minorities, turned to trollishness by baiting. The echo chambers formed gave neither of these groups anywhere near a realistic idea of where the Democratic electorate was at.
Outside of these networld echo chambers, lots of Democrats preferred Obama but still liked Hillary, and lots of Democrats preferred Hillary but still liked Obama.
The big difference between them was created out of whole cloth with major input from the blogosphere, the hate for the most part was bread and circuses stuff, it wasn't real, that blogosphere version was an illusion. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Most voters who stayed away from the blogosphere got it: there was little difference between them as to policy, nothing left getting all het up about except who was the better personality for the job, and who they though could win.
Both candidates kept saying in public appearances that they were friends before the race and would be friends after, but blogsophere-ians wanted to make a drama of hate and epic struggle out of it, so those statement they would ignore. Otherwise, segregating into ghettoes where every other little statement coming out of the mouth of anyone to do with either campaign was spun into stories about supposed hate and supposed fighting every day. Far worse than any "MSM" spin room game in the past, totally spun, the whole thing.
Then they slowly had to unravel the spin as she supported him at the convention, and continually afterwards. Something that she had always said she would do for him and something that he always said he would do for her. But those kind of statements didn't fit the competing war rooms picture so they were ignored.
January 23, 2009 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. Perhaps you didn't look at the link I started my comment with, in which the manager of this site is begging and pleading with reader bloggers to post something, anything other than the constant daily orgy of masses of Hillary hate:
Sorry, lally, he was not imagining things and neither was I.
The dominance of the Hillary hate narratives on this site often reached the surreal at times, and that's not to say other sites weren't doing the same in the other direction.
The point is that it wasn't at all a good gauge of reality. The kind of hate shown here just wasn't ever out there in the Democratic voting population, they didn't hate the Clintons like that, so it didn't have to be undone, and him asking her to be in his cabinet made perfect sense.
I would think it's crucial that any parts of blogistan interested in effecting political change are in deep dodo as to effecting anything when they create their own bubble visions of political reality. One does not have to go through conniptions to try to figure out why Obama has supposedly become so much more like Clinton, or why Clinton has bent to Obama, or whatever, if one recognized the reality that they were never that different and didn't hate each other as so many led themselves to believe in this supposed "information age" medium.
January 23, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
AA, I recall a huge amount of vilification on both sides - even here. I thought that EC became, for a while, a huge circus - with nothing sensible being said and tons of anti- this and anti- that. It seemed more like "anti" than even pro at times, specifically at EC.
While I was pro Obama, I also felt "pushed" to tell others to be the same. I could explain my pick. But I didn't want to have to fight about it. I respected that others had a different view of Obama and Hillary. And I tried to repeat many times that castigating supporters of one or the other was not a good way to sway your fellow voter.
It drove me away from EC for a long time. Way too much vitriol!
So I'm just saying it wasn't only against Hillary. There was pressure on Obama supporters too - as well as vilification.
January 23, 2009 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am really amused that you cite that silly and premature thread by the guy who got huffy about a poster referring to Hillary as a wench as vindication.
He's such a gallant......
January 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was one heckuva fight!
I believe the polarization was, in the end, a good thing. In retrospect, I believe the length of the battle favored a Dem getting the job. The Dem perspective, which was coming from both candidates, was on the air for so long while McCain was off on the side taking a nap waiting to see which one he would have to fight. Everyone was participating or observing the bread and circuses. It was great theater and I think part of the reason people got involved that might not have.
There was so much huffing and puffing between the two, to the exclusion of McCain, by the time it was over, so was the election. i.e. it was easier for the Dems to get behind the Dem victor then it was for the independents to get behind McCain. No one was talking about the issues that are the Right's bread and butter, gays, guns, god and the question of embryonic vitality. By that point McCain could not change the conversation and he had nothing better to offer then what was already the focus of the campaigns. Palin was the final straw. She was an insult to women and intellectual discourse.
I posted somewhere else that HRC is perfect at SoS, because if she and Biden switched roles, the injury to us that would occur as the result of Joe's inevitable gaffe's would have international ramifications. He is easier to manage closer to home. She is much more valuable in the State Department. And did you hear the cheers when she made her entrance! That was not contrived. That was the sound of relief. Free at last!
January 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's a valid and interesting argument about the artificial polarization that occurred. It's just that it drives me nuts when I see people refuse to admit that it happened.
January 23, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still, what happens with people like this guy:
when they realize they've spent months buying into a false narrative created by a reinforcing group on the internet?
January 23, 2009 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit that when I saw anti-obama ads put on by Republican groups using Hillary as the front person, I feared that all gnashing of the "Hillary Destroyed Obama" crowd had come true.
Fortunately my cynicism was not realized.
January 23, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is that guy gets his guy into the WH. He's happy. he is so blissfully happy he doens;t care what post HRC gets. Afterall, their positions were not that different anyway. In addition, HRC did a great job supporting BHO. Time heals all wounds. Nothing like winning to forget the past. [Insert cliche of your choice here.]
January 23, 2009 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
We were down to two candidates. It's the natural result, polarization. What else could there be? What is lacking in the observation seems to be that those who sided with one or the other did not become one or the other. I believe we still held our own beliefs and desires. We simply decided that one candidate or another would better reflect those desires.
January 23, 2009 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
And did you hear the cheers when she made her entrance! That was not contrived. That was the sound of relief. Free at last!
The front page NYT picture today of all the State Dept. plebes crushing in to get close to her made me think of: All hail Dorothy! Ding dong, the witch is dead! The wicked witch is dead! :-) It made me wonder how many civil service there are Clintonites who survived the last 8 years by keeping their heads down.
January 23, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The looks on those faces said it all! Relief!
January 23, 2009 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary!
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/2747/t/4098/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=515
January 22, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
OOPS
Hillary 4U & Me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no
January 22, 2009 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton : John Foster Dulles or a Lap Dog
We are in a new area a “Mission for Peace” and not a War on Terror.
Clinton having lost her presidential ambitions Clinton must make her mark in history and become a John Foster Dulles and not a lap dog Secretary of State like Rice or a discredited liar like Collin Powell.
Clinton must make her mark on history. This is her game and she is starting well
With declaring that the US would help to repair the destruction and devastation in GAZA.
Just addressing the issue after three weeks of silence by Obama would be a great News in the Muslim world.
Appointment of George Mitchell , a reputable Peace maker long despised by Israelis is another good appointment which means this administration, specially Clinton would want to work decisively to defend American interest over and above other countries. Peace in the Middle east is what America wants and it would be achieve by Clinton if she acts like John Foster Dulles with strength wisdom, perseverance and independence.
Obama by coming to the State Department underscored her mission.
Never again a an Israeli Prime Minister should dare to say that America is the Israeli’s Pocket
No more an Israeli Prime Minister should tell the world that “ He pulled Bush from the Podium and forced him to shame his Secretary of the State Rice by voting against her own motion of Cease Fire”
If Obama for one think of himself as the Flag for American dreams, the most powerful man in the world, he should never pin no flag on himself, because he is the American Flag. Those in the Fox news who forced Obama to pin a flag, have no power on him now, he is the President and must act in the interest of America.
He has to issue an Executive Order ending the Bush’s War on Terror era, replacing it with “Mission for Peace and Prosperity” for America and the world. Unless we change the Mission, people who have been scared by Bush to accept the war and Terror, accept that the US is being threatened by Muslim, accept that we are under attack would be dismayed by releasing innocents in Guantanamo Bay!
President Obama might spoil the whole course action by wearing Israeli Flags, not denouncing the War on Terror, not releasing more than 20000 innocents in the US custody, and negotiating with Mahmoud Abbas the Corrupt Proxy for Israel rather than the representative of Democratically elected government of Hamas.
Hillary must always have John Foster Dulles in mind and resign with a bang so she would not become a lap Dog like Rice or a discredited Collin Powell.
But, her Diplomacy and Development although great may fall victim of Obama's Vacillation. Obama must declare the end of Bush's War on Terror without delay,and declare America the ugly has gone and America the good wants peace and Prosperity for all.Americans are so indoctrinated and brainwash by Bush's War on Terror that would be scared to come out of their psychological hide-out and face a world of Peace. That would be Hilary's Mission to improve our image abroad so every body would love America again!
Farhat Maquami
January 22, 2009 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
She helped take us into Iraq. We'll see if she is any help getting us out. At least the bloggers educated me on Iraq. They knew it was unjustified and would turn into a enormous waste of lives and treasure. We'll see. We'll see if she has the courage to take some risks for peace now. She did not before. Watch what she does not what she says.
January 22, 2009 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"She helped take us into Iraq"
I don't intend to be deliberately argumentative, but an incredibly wise woman (my mother) once gave me a piece of advice: You can't go back, you can only go forward. And it's what you do with that knowledge of your mistakes--acknowledge and learn from them, or cling to ignorance of them, that will truly define your path.
I share, to a small degree, your skepticism and, admittedly, I can't easily forget what I see as the anti-big tent sentiments that I felt emerged from the Clinton camp towards the end of the primary. Her admission of the Iraq vote being a mistake went a long way towards restoring my confidence in her sense of right and wrong, as a person.
With that being said, I did, and do, to this day, feel confident in Clinton's exceptional intelligence and abilities to perform her duties, but more importantly, I feel confident in Obama to develop and communicate his agenda, and then follow through to make sure it is carried out in the manner in which it is intended.
January 22, 2009 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the important measurement really should be:
The real challenge is:
I voted yes, but the Clinton pick reminded me that this game is not simple, nor transparent.
January 23, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yes, Hillary rocks, and she is so very smart...and truthful. Now that she has brokered peace in Ireland and braved the tarmac in Bosnia, a new day dawns in our foreign policy.
January 22, 2009 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check your calendar. It's 2009. Primary's over.
And, to be honest, every politician's been caught in one or more of those types of stories. (That includes Obama - and I voted for him!)
January 22, 2009 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The war in Iraq isn't over.
January 22, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was glad to hear Olbermann keep his count on "Mission Accomplished".
January 23, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the news update. Unfortunately, that has absolutely nothing to do with addressing the spirit of the original comment.
January 25, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will be so corrupted by her husband's donors. It is a very very sad day that we approved her nomination.
January 22, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You still exist?
January 23, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Every day is a new day
January 23, 2009 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"She will be..."
I'm not going to suggest the Reich will not attempt to make some new Whitewater against her, but I'm willing to wait and see what "She will be..."
January 23, 2009 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The view from this Israeli, Yoel Marcus, writing in Haaretz is instructive in his warnings about Obama and Hillary and even more importantly, revealing about how Israelis viewed and used their influence.
Marcus relates the disgraceful story of Olmert's boastful wagging of the Bush doggie and warns:
"Those kinds of antics are just not going to work with a toughie like Hillary Clinton running the State Department. I don't see our leaders cooking up deals with presidents or supporters of Israel in Congress like they used to, now that Obama is at the helm."
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"But Obama's commitment to the State of Israel is not a given, the way it was for previous presidents. There is no sign in his past of any special feelings for us."
Marcus goes on to describe the nature and degrees of commitment to Israel of various US presidents and concludes:
"Obama, as we have said, is not as emotionally involved in ties with Israel. His age and background are certainly factors, but another factor is that AIPAC was asleep while Obama grew up under its nose.
No matter what you make of world events and the global economic crisis, for us the coming years will be marked by defense challenges. Obama does not have the biblical-emotional sympathy for us that Clinton and Bush had."
Marcus warns Israelis:
"In practice, Hillary Clinton will be the person most involved in our affairs. It is crucial that we work with her and not against her, and that we don't try to bypass her via the president or vice president, who is considered a friend of Israel. We will have to change the way we play the game.
The long and the short of it is that we need to conduct ourselves differently with this new administration. Like porcupines making love, we will need to be very careful. The next Israeli government will have to watch itself and not do anything rash. It will have to give up the habit of telling the Americans what is good for them."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1057978.html
Good advice. Let's see if anyone listens.
January 22, 2009 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It [Israel] will have to give up the habit of telling the Americans what is good for them."
Yes, change has come.
January 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
When our towers came down and thousands died, the likelihood the US government would one day enter into negotiations with a militant Islamic faction like Hamas seemed beyond ridiculous. And it's through the lens of 9/11 that many Americans still see the Middle East. I wish George Mitchell good luck because the area needs peace. But I wouldn’t expect that to happen until both parties reject the use of violence to further their cause. When Hamas lunches anti-personnel rockets into Israel to kill and terrorize discriminately, it's a problem. Then when Israel retaliates and Hamas hides under the skirts of it’s women, thus assuring high civilian losses, peace drops off the radar screen. Hamas won the election because there was no legitimate alternative - the peace process would need to provide one.
January 22, 2009 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink