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   <title>What kind of democracy is it, anyway? </title>
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   <published>2009-08-26T19:02:27Z</published>
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   <summary>&quot;Americans voted in November, electing a large Democratic majority in the House, a large Democratic majority in the Senate, and handing a Democratic president a large mandate. With that in mind, if a majority of the House wants health care reform, a majority of the Senate wants reform, and the president wants to sign a reform bill, reform should pass. After all, &quot;at the end of the day, this is a democracy.&quot; The &quot;voice of the people&quot; was heard loud and clear on Election Day. If majority rule should carry the day, then health care reform advocates are in good shape.&quot;</summary>
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      <![CDATA[This summer of the big, phony, insane health care reform "debate," we've heard the complaints by the old "conservatives" -- many of whom, by the way, are not the Greatest Generation; they're the ones who were too young for WWII and Korea, and too old for Vietnam and are dominated by the generation of Eugene McCarthy and the Red Scare-- and the young racists who hate themselves so much, and, of course, the great-grandchildren of TR's "malefactors of great wealth". They're pissed off. They lost, to a black man, and they're pissed off. <br /><br />All of these same issues were debated fully in the campaign and they lost the argument. The voters decided they were wrong, by a large margin. <br /><br />But they pretend none of that happened and wear stupid-looking tea bags on their ball caps and pack heat to presidential rally and bleat "this is a democracy" and they "want their country back.<br /><br />I guess it depends on your definition of democracy.<br /><br />If you believe that only the elections you win matter; if you believe that elections are not final; if you believe that your opponents are evil incarnate, and illegitimate, no matter what the majority of the voters say across the land, then you'd fit right in with the logic of the GOP and the Rush Limbaugh's of the world. Armed insurrection, threats of violence, bullets not ballots, are the natural language of that bizarro world view. People that think this way have walked the earth before, and they have wrought death and destruction across Europe and Asia throughout the 20th Century.<br /><br />&nbsp; "This is a democracy" are four words that are really important, though, and ought to be on the mind of every lawmaker and public official.<br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;As blogger Steve Benen at the Washington Monthly points out, "Americans voted in November, electing a large Democratic majority in the House, a large Democratic majority in the Senate, and handing a Democratic president a large mandate. With that in mind, if a majority of the House wants health care reform, a majority of the Senate wants reform, and the president wants to sign a reform bill, reform should pass. After all, "at the end of the day, this is a democracy." The "voice of the people" was heard loud and clear on Election Day. If majority rule should carry the day, then health care reform advocates are in good shape." <br /><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019648.php">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019648.php</a><br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;But one right-wing talk-show instigator after another, one far-right representative from various parts of the old Confederacy-- and their ideological running buddies like Glenn Thompson from places like Pennsylvania's 5th District--apparently don't believe in the same kind of democracy that equals the "voice of the majority" in a free and fair and open election. <br /><br />The True Believer always knows what's best for me, no matter what I tell him. <br /><br />But the Lost Cause is still lost, Caleb.&nbsp; <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />So what is your definition of democracy? Is it based in the vote of a free people, with the responsibility to govern given to the majority, or is democracy supposed to be given to the overweight, overaged kid that throws the biggest temper tantrum? <br /><br />I'm really getting sick of the crap. <br /> ]]>
      
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   <title>Alright Republicans: We Give Up... We Won&apos;t Euthanize Grandma</title>
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   <published>2009-08-10T19:23:50Z</published>
   <updated>2009-08-10T19:29:50Z</updated>
   
   <summary>In accordance with your cogent and potent criticisms, these are the terms of our concession:

   1. We will not euthanize your grandmother. This is the big one, and I really hope you guys appreciate how much of a concession this is on behalf of the progressive movement. Since the days of the Bull Moose Party, progressives have wanted nothing more than to slaughter old people by the millions. That much is obvious. After all, if we wanted senior citizens to have long and healthy lives, why would we have created Social Security and Medicare? Think about it. Death to grannies has long been the core of progressive policy, so it&apos;s not without some consternation that we give it up. So there: no euthanizing old people. You&apos;ve got it.</summary>
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      <![CDATA[Passing along a clever post by&nbsp;<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/9/764064/-Alright-Republicans,-We-Give-Up"> Stroszek on the Daily Kos</a>.<br /><br />(More at the link)<br /><br /><p>Dear Republicans,</p>

<p>Over the past week, we have seen your passionate protests and heard
your concerns about Democratic proposals for health care reform. We
have considered your insightful and well reasoned arguments, and on
behalf of progressives everywhere, I am here to say: OK! We give up! We
are willing to compromise on the proposals that concern you. You've
won! Yay!</p>

<p>In accordance with your cogent and potent criticisms, these are the terms of our concession:</p>

<ol><li> <strong>We will not euthanize your grandmother.</strong>
This is the big one, and I really hope you guys appreciate how much of
a concession this is on behalf of the progressive movement. Since the
days of the Bull Moose Party, progressives have wanted nothing more
than to slaughter old people by the millions. That much is obvious.
After all, if we wanted senior citizens to have long and healthy lives,
why would we have created Social Security and Medicare? Think about it.
Death to grannies has long been the core of progressive policy, so it's
not without some consternation that we give it up. So there: no
euthanizing old people. You've got it.</li></ol>
<ol><li> <strong>Rahm Emanuel's brother will not kill Sarah Palin's baby.</strong>
While this will require us to gut HR 3200 "America's Health Choices and
Murder Sarah Palin's Baby Act of 2009," we're currently working with
Henry Waxman to remove the extensive Sarah Palin's baby-killing
provisions from the final bill. While this will probably cost us Andrew
Sullivan's support, we recognize that this is a necessary sacrifice for
securing broad bipartisan support of health care reform.</li></ol>
 <strong>The government will not nationalize hospitals and other health service providers.</strong> ... <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/9/764064/-Alright-Republicans,-We-Give-Up">More--&gt;</a><br /> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Get your war on</title>
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   <published>2008-11-07T23:21:05Z</published>
   <updated>2008-11-07T23:22:54Z</updated>
   
   <summary>OK, I realize this sort of gloating isn&apos;t real classy, but when my son sent this to me I instantly thought of three relatives and two co-workers who needed to see it. Really needed to see it. http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_new_world_orde_10121.phpYou may, too....</summary>
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      <![CDATA[OK, I realize this sort of gloating isn't real classy, but when my son sent this to me I instantly thought of three relatives and two co-workers who needed to see it. Really needed to see it. <br /><br />http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_new_world_orde_10121.php<br /><br />You may, too. <br /><br />Heh. <br /> ]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>No Palin Press Conferences=No press coverage: Hitchens has a point</title>
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   <published>2008-10-21T13:12:50Z</published>
   <updated>2008-10-21T14:37:57Z</updated>
   
   <summary><![CDATA[Christopher Hitchens, writing in Slate,&nbsp; argues that the GOP and the McCain campaign should have to pay a price for their decision to prevent the governor with the nice ta ta's from facing some tough questioning. Instead, they've got her...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[Christopher Hitchens, <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2202642/">writing in Slate,&nbsp;</a> argues that the GOP and the McCain campaign should have to pay a price for their decision to prevent the governor with the nice ta ta's from facing some tough questioning. Instead, they've got her in a bubble of adoring (and ignorant) fans, motorcades and softball interviews. All the while, she and her handlers are snarling at the press, at libruls in general, and the 70% of the nation who are un-American because they think she's a dangerous joke. <br /><br />Why does the press continue to cover her? Why are they complicit in this partisan tactic? I realize it's a lot of fun to be abused at every rally, if not from the podium then from <a href="http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200810170003">the said adoring fans.</a>&nbsp; And,&nbsp; I realize she's a story, but that doesn't mean they have to completely roll over, does it? <br /><br /><br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Rick Davis wants me to vote early.</title>
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   <published>2008-09-16T00:24:13Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-16T00:24:13Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Back in 2000, I gave some money to John McCain. I&apos;m backing Obama now.But despite repeated efforts, the McCain campaign has refused to take me off its mailing lists. Incompetent? Afraid that a lot of us taken off will make...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[Back in 2000, I gave some money to John McCain. I'm backing Obama now.<br /><br />But despite repeated efforts, the McCain campaign has refused to take me off its mailing lists. Incompetent? Afraid that a lot of us taken off will make their numbers look worse? Who know. <br /><br />So, I've just decided to go with the flow and pass along their tactical moves to the gang here. FWIW.<br /><br /><blockquote>"Friends,<br />The polls are tightening across the nation, and one thing is clear: this year's presidential election will be one of the closest in history. We know that John McCain and Sarah Palin will change Washington, but before they reform our nation's capital, you have to send them there first.<br /><br />Now more than ever, your vote is critical. And there's no better way to vote than by voting early, or with an absentee ballot. Voting early, or with an absentee ballot, is the best way to avoid the long line on Election Day and get your vote counted. Many states allow you to vote early by requesting an absentee ballot through the mail. Please visit www.JohnMcCain.com/AB for more details on early voting and absentee ballot requests in your state.<br /><br />Your support is extremely important to electing John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin in November, and your vote will matter. I'm encouraging you to visit our website and either register to vote or sign up for early voting or an absentee ballot. Your vote will make all the difference in November.<br /><br />Thanks for your support and for your vote!<br /><br />Rick Davis<br />Campaign Manager<br /><br />P.S. Please forward this email to your friends, family, neighbors and colleagues and encourage them to either register to vote or sign up for early voting or absentee voting. Remember, this will be a close election and the work we do now will make all the difference in electing John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin. Thank you<br /></blockquote>]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Media: be careful what you&apos;re objective about</title>
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   <published>2008-09-15T17:19:19Z</published>
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   <summary>I&apos;ve got to start reading Coates more over at the Atlantic. The man makes sense: Here&apos;s an interesting video that shows how objectivity becomes a cover for weakness. I think David Gergen just disagrees, and I&apos;ll give him a pass....</summary>
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      <![CDATA[I've got to start reading Coates more over at the Atlantic. The man makes sense: <br /><br /><blockquote>Here's an interesting video that shows how objectivity becomes a cover
for weakness. I think David Gergen just disagrees, and I'll give him a
pass. But two things stick out to me from this: 1.) It's OK that Palin
was clueless about the Bush Doctrine because most Americans and
journalists are clueless about it. By that logic, most Americans are
qualified to be president. 2.) Palin's ignorance only matters if it
affects the "game." In other words, unless McCain loses votes on this,
it's actually irrelevant. This is the sort of analysis that arises
when your more interested in process than in actual results. It's also,
interestingly enough, pretty judgmental. The more I watch, the more I
think it's not that you have to be objective, you just have to be
careful what you're objective about.<br /></blockquote><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RG3xQbKobI">Video Link to talking heads segment</a><br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>&quot;Sarah&apos;s likeable, so vote against her&quot;</title>
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   <published>2008-09-15T17:05:45Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-15T17:05:46Z</updated>
   
   <summary>This is an interesting essay on FiveThirtyEight.com, on how the Palin phenomenon is working well on the emotional level.http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/dems-must-give-voters-explicit.htmlWhen facts are used to discredit Sarah Palin, emotion trumps facts. The instinct is to defend against the facts. Consider: you meet...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[This is an interesting essay on FiveThirtyEight.com, on how the Palin phenomenon is working well on the emotional level.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/dems-must-give-voters-explicit.html">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/dems-must-give-voters-explicit.html</a><br /><blockquote>When facts are used to discredit Sarah Palin, emotion trumps facts. The
instinct is to defend against the facts. Consider: you meet someone and
like him or her on a gut level. A stranger – someone who doesn’t have
built-up personal credibility with you – gives you a list of reasons
not to like that person. How do you react?<br />...<br /></blockquote><blockquote>...“Sarah Palin is very
likable. There’s nothing wrong with liking her. But this isn’t a zany
sitcom where a friendly, plucky Everywoman with dangerous ignorance on
foreign policy gets to be vice president. Americans don't deserve
someone too scared to do a press conference. Fun for a TV show, but
running the country doesn't permit second and third takes when you mess
up the scene."<br /><br />And then the argument on how to handle this weirdness: <br />
<br />
<i>a man at Palin's rally in Carson City heatedly told
an Obama volunteer in response to his anti-Palin argument, "I don't
trust the facts!" Some people hear that and think: "I cannot relate to
someone who would say that." I hear it and think: "Defended around
emotion and feels under attack." People under attack can't be
persuaded. And persuasion is the goal, remember? You can’t reason
someone out of his or her feelings. But you can validate those
feelings, buy their willingness to listen, and then calmly make your
logical case.</i><br /></blockquote>]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>TIME posts mocking video of Palin. Is this fair game?</title>
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   <published>2008-09-12T19:01:16Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[OK. I apologize for the double post, but the first one came up blank with a link back to the home page. Whaaaaa?I must admit that I was amazed that TIME.COM is running this video, but there it is. http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182I'm...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[<i>OK. I apologize for the double post, but the first one came up blank with a link back to the home page. Whaaaaa?</i><br /><br /><br />I must admit that I was amazed that TIME.COM is running this video, but there it is. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182">http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182</a><br /><br />I'm as partisan as anyone, and have been in the tank for Obama for a long time. And this video is funny. But the raunchy flavor seems... I dunno, odd. It's not what I'm used to. But mockery is a devastating tool, and I'm guessing that the fact that the editors posted this indicates the level of anger in the press against the McCain campaign.<br /><br />What say you? <br /><br />]]>
      
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   <title>TIME posts mocking video of Palin. Is this fair game?</title>
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   <published>2008-09-12T18:54:37Z</published>
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   <summary><![CDATA[I must admit that I was amazed that TIME.COM is running this video, but there it is. http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182I'm as partisan as anyone, and have been in the tank for Obama for a long time. And this video is funny. But...]]></summary>
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      <![CDATA[I must admit that I was amazed that TIME.COM is running this video, but there it is. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182">http://www.time.com/time/video/?bcpid=1485842900&amp;bctid=1770059182</a><br /><br />I'm as partisan as anyone, and have been in the tank for Obama for a long time. And this video is funny. But the raunchy flavor seems... I dunno, odd. It's not what I'm used to. But mockery is a devastating tool, and I'm guessing that the fact that the editors posted this indicates the level of anger in the press against the McCain campaign.<br /><br />What say you? <br /><br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>McCain? Honorable? Muahahahahahahahah! Not any more!</title>
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   <published>2008-09-10T17:37:53Z</published>
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   <summary>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13314.htmlJohn McCain is performing near the bottom of the class again. Low class, no class. He&apos;s shaming the honor of all those, like my father, who served honorably and proudly for the U.S. Navy. What a disgrace. This phony &quot;honor&quot;...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13314.html">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13314.html</a><br /><br />John McCain is performing near the bottom of the class again. Low class, no class. <br /><br />He's shaming the honor of all those, like my father, who served honorably and proudly for the U.S. Navy. <br /><br />What a disgrace. <br /><br />This phony "honor" is his strength. It must be stripped away, because it is a fraud on the American people.<br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Hey, Bill! Hillary! Where are you now?</title>
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   <id>tag:tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com,2008:/talk//17.215215</id>
   
   <published>2008-09-10T03:12:00Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-10T03:12:00Z</updated>
   
   <summary>As the rabid dogs directed by Rove and Schmidt on behalf of the totally dishonored McCain and his pit bull, continue the savaging and virtual lynching of Barack Obama, I wondered:Where are the defenders? Where, in particular, are Bill and...</summary>
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      <name>Goshen</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[As the rabid dogs directed by Rove and Schmidt on behalf of the totally dishonored McCain and his pit bull, continue the savaging and virtual lynching of Barack Obama, I wondered:<br /><br />Where are the defenders? Where, in particular, are Bill and Hillary? Why aren't they calling out the slimers and calling them names? <br /><br /><em>schadefraude</em>? Or just keeping your powder dry? I hope it's the latter. <br /><br />Inquiring minds would like to know. <br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Palin numbers show main effect is with base; Hillary backers don&apos;t seem to be moving to McCain</title>
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   <published>2008-09-08T02:39:22Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-08T02:39:22Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Interesting report from Polster.com: Sorry if this has been posted already, but I hadn&apos;t seen anything and wanted to get it on the record: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_palin_effect_more_ba.phpPalin runs up the score among Republicans and evangelicals (+37, +32 more minus less likely to...</summary>
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      <name>Goshen</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[Interesting report from Polster.com: Sorry if this has been posted already, but I hadn't seen anything and wanted to get it on the record: <br /><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_palin_effect_more_ba.php%20">http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_palin_effect_more_ba.php<br /></a><br /><blockquote>Palin runs up the score among Republicans and evangelicals (+37, +32 more minus less likely to vote for McCain, respectively).&nbsp; But
moderates say Obama's pick of Biden makes them more likely to vote for Obama
(+12 more minus less), <b>with Palin having neither a positive or negative
net affect for McCain.</b><p>&nbsp;</p><p>These findings build upon earlier results I wrote about <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_palin_effect_prelimi.php">this week</a>. &nbsp;It seems increasingly unlikely that former Hillary Clinton supporters will move to McCain because of Sarah Palin.&nbsp; But during the heat of the Republican convention, the Republican base is indeed energized.&nbsp; </p></blockquote>

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<entry>
   <title>Joe Biden gives &apos;em hell during PA campaign stop</title>
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   <published>2008-09-06T02:01:27Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-06T02:01:27Z</updated>
   
   <summary>I love it when Joe Biden gets fired up. So did this crowd here in Pennsylvania today, too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE...</summary>
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      <name>Goshen</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[I love it when Joe Biden gets fired up. <br /><br />So did this crowd here in Pennsylvania today, too:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE</a><br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>Quotes to Sustain, Points to Use</title>
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   <id>tag:tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com,2008:/talk//17.213618</id>
   
   <published>2008-09-04T22:56:22Z</published>
   <updated>2008-09-04T22:56:22Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Here&apos;s a collection of quotes that might come in handy in the coming 2 months here and elsewhere in the blogosphere. As Billy Glad says, we are in danger. Recommend to keep it where people can find it for a...</summary>
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      <name>Goshen</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[Here's a collection of quotes that might come in handy in the coming 2 months here and elsewhere in the blogosphere. As Billy Glad says, we are in danger. <br /><br />Recommend to keep it where people can find it for a couple of days, please. <br /><br />He might like the quote from Sinclair Lewis in 1935 about Fascism. <br /><br />If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- James Madison<br />
<br />
'When the government fears the people it is a democracy....when the
people fear their government it is tyranny...' --- Thomas Jefferson<br />
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Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin <br />
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The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.– Thomas Jefferson <br />
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The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison <br />
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The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders...tell
them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. – Herman Goering <br />
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I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly
for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. –
James Baldwin <br />
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Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.  – Voltaire <br />
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The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should be
hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be
propagated. – William Ellery Channing <br />
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<br />
"if there be one principle more deeply written than any other in the
mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with
conquest." -- Thomas Jefferson <br />
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Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government. – Sen. Robert Taft, (R) Ohio  <br />
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Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. ~ Sinclair Lewis 1935<br />
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"patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels." - Samuel Johnson<br />
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"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of
their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all
property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent
their fathers occupied." -Thomas Jefferson <br />
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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." -J. Edgar Hoover, former
head of the FBI <br />
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BEWARE THE LEADER WHO BANGS THE DRUMS of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the
mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their
rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know ? For this is what
I have done. And I am Caesar."<br />
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-- Anonymous<br />]]>
      
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<entry>
   <title>First poll: Palin choice has moved undecideds sharply against McCain</title>
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   <published>2008-08-31T01:22:04Z</published>
   <updated>2008-08-31T01:22:04Z</updated>
   
   <summary>Andrew Sullivan&apos;s got the report on the latest Rasmussen poll since McCain picked the least qualified candidate for a major ticket in modern times. Turns out those who haven&apos;t made their minds up don&apos;t like this very much, and think...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[Andrew Sullivan's got the report on the latest Rasmussen poll since McCain picked the least qualified candidate for a major ticket in modern times. Turns out those who haven't made their minds up don't like this very much, and think it reflects poorly on McCain's presidential judgement. <br /><br />Imagine that. <br /><br /><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/undecideds-dont.html">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/undecideds-dont.html</a><br /><br />"<br /><p>The <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&amp;sid=a1nHh6ocKM64&amp;refer=home">headlines</a>
are about the broad polling reaction to Palin. But the most fascinating
part of the first Rasmussen poll on the matter is how those who are
currently <em>undecided</em> in the election feel. They, after all,
are the votes both campaigns are trying to win over with their veep
picks. The key data is in the cross-tabs, which have been missed in
some of the coverage so far.</p>

<p>On the critical question, "With Palin As Vice-Presidential Nominee,
Are You More Or Less Likely To Vote For McCain," there's a striking
result. Among those already for McCain, 68 percent say it makes them
more likely to vote for him; only 6 percent say less; and 23 percent
said no impact. Among those already for Obama, Palin made only 9
percent of them more likely to switch to McCain, 59 percent less
likely, and 30 percent said it would make no difference. </p>

<p>But among the critical <em>undecideds</em>, the Palin pick made only 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain; and it made 31 percent <em>less likely</em> to vote for him. 49 percent said it would have no impact, and 15 percent remained unsure. More to the point: among undecideds, <em>59 percent</em>
said Palin was unready to be president. Only 6 percent said she was.If
the first criterion for any job is whether you're ready for it, this is
a pretty major indictment of the first act of McCain's presidential
leadership.</p>

<p>One other striking finding. If McCain thought he could present Palin
as a moderate, he was wrong. A whopping 69 percent view her as
conservative (37 percent as <em>very</em> conservative), and only 13 percent see her as moderate.</p>

<p>From this first snap-shot (and unsettled) impression, Palin has
helped McCain among Republicans, left Democrats unfazed, but moved the
undecideds against him quite sharply. I totally understand why."</p>]]>
      
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